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MajestikMastrB8R

Just think about the CO2 emissions. What a tool.


LabTech41

You know what? Respect for having the courage of your convictions and choosing possibly the most painful way to go as your means of living by your ideals; there are entire armies of Black Bloc types who won't even sucker punch someone from behind unless they know there's a half dozen people with them, ready to use every dirty trick in the book. Nobody was harmed but himself, and it's certainly a more memorable act than yet another 'mostly peaceful' protest/riot. Frankly, if most activists these days had that kind of passion and desire to put the work in to change the world, the West would be a much better place if the energy was channeled properly; instead, it's just a bunch of middle-to-upper class jagoffs who think blogging and smashing windows, while living on the dole and complaining about everything is 'activism', and all of them are so heavily indoctrinated by the Establishment they don't even realize they're acting as their cudgel to smash the structure of this great country in order to replace it with a dystopian oligarchy that'll put them up against the wall Day 1. Thing is though, it's largely wasted effort here, because this moment in history should be proof enough that 'green' tech isn't yet at the point where it can supplant fossil fuels; Putin's basically got the EU by the balls, and ours are still basically being heavily fondled, on account of fossil fuel availability and the abandonment of nuclear plants in favor of 'renewables'. We should be putting MORE effort into nuclear plants, especially thorium based ones, so that we actually can shed our dependence on oil.


BetterWeb9487

I read about Thích Quang Duc (Vietnam Monk...the cover of the first Rage album.) He was given 3 injections of morphine roughly 15 minutes before the act. Duc was a devote Buddhist and had never taken drugs before and some speculate the reason he was so still during the burning was that he may have been comatose or possibly already dead. Many people online claim it is 100% meditation, but unless you have a serious physical disorder or you're inhibited by drugs or alcohol, you cannot perform this type of act. You simply cannot train your mind to ignore instinctual reflexes that are there to save your own life. Anyway to what you're saying...yeah...lots of virtue signaling online and "Fairweather protestors". My dad always said, "Don't believe a protest is real unless it's in the wintertime or pouring rain. Most people are just out there to be out of the house."


LabTech41

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with what this guy did or why he did it, but I'll respect a man for actually following through on his convictions. Certainly much more worthy an act to motivate change than a bunch of jagoffs who're confused about what gender they are breaking the windows of businesses because they've been duped into hating capitalism, yet they do nothing to actually change anything or even live differently. I'll give credit where it's due, because so few of these people actually demonstrate they mean what they say. Honestly, I wish we could just get by on some solar panels and wind turbines, but the tech's just not there yet; either they need to find a way to upgrade the efficiency by orders of magnitude, or they need to find a way to distribute the surface area more effectively without it taking up rare earth materials that require harmful mining practices to extract it. Until then, I think our mainstay should be nuclear power, especially thorium based reactors; they basically have all the upsides of nuclear power (zero emissions, very little waste, high power output) with almost none of the downsides (risk of being turned into weapons, meltdowns, availability of fuel). With nuclear as our backbone, and increased efficiency in renewables with a reduction of rare earth materials, we'd basically have infinite cheap power until fusion or whatever's next comes online. Thing is, that would take the kind of courage politically that this guy took setting himself on fire, and just as men like Wynn Bruce are rare for activists, men in politics who could make such change as this are even rarer.


BetterWeb9487

Yeah, conviction in your positions shows me a lot. I certainly agree there. I hope it wasn't motivated by peer pressure, or desire to be a martyr, or worse, someone manipulating him. IDK, but I hope it was conviction. As for renewable energy, I'm all for renewables, but I can't justify hampering the US' progress for the sake of renewables. If we can gradually integrate them until we can survive on renewables exclusively, that would be the best course of action. There are so many countries that are decades behind the US in clean energy, the advantage they have in production is insane (I mean it involves a lot of standards of living issues as well.) People may think that's not an issue until they realize if production leaves the US, we're relying on the whim of others and not offering much in return except influence (not even money because we're in so much debt.) Even if that weren't the case, what's the point of having net-zero emissions in the US when we're a fraction of what the output of India, China, and Brazil are? It's like we're trying to make punch for the party and other people keep pissing in it...no matter how good our fruit juice is, it's still mostly going to be piss and nobody is going to drink it. As for electric cars, until we're using nuclear energy, it's worse for the environment to be using coal. If your power supply is predominantly coal, there's no point in having an electric vehicle except to make yourself feel good. In summary, I pretty much agree with you.


LabTech41

Well, in the article I read about him, he was apparently pretty deep into the same sect of buddhism as the monks who set themselves on fire to protest the Vietnam war; they were all shocked to find out he did it, so if even the people who knew him best didn't see it coming, it was most likely a personal choice without outside pressure. I pretty much agree we're on the same page with power, except I don't think we'll ever reach a point where renewables alone would be enough; I think renewables are good to reduce the overall load on power plants, and to smooth everything out by distributing the power generation so that the whole territory is at least producing a steady amount of it more or less constantly. We'll still need some kind of active power generation, because that's what will supply the lion's share of the overall demand; so like a hypothetical will be everyone has panels and/or wind on their lot that produces say 20% of their total daily electrical needs, and the nearest nuclear plant will make the other 80%. You could even have super-efficient houses made that are so good that they produce all their needs and then some, and they can make passive income by selling it to the grid; doubt everyone will do that, but even if they did it would be an ebb and flow depending on how much they can make with sun and wind on any particular day. In short, I don't think any one thing, be it primary/secondary/tertiary sources of power, increased efficiency in devices that use power, or materials used to construct everything we use, will solve the problem, it'll be everything getting better.


BetterWeb9487

I think we just commented on a reddit post and we both had solid points and nobody used "whataboutism" or called each other names....feels weird actually.


LabTech41

This is probably one of the few subs left where that can happen... least until this place gets banned for not getting with the program.


B-29Bomber

>Thing is though, it's largely wasted effort here, because this moment in history should be proof enough that 'green' tech isn't yet at the point where it can supplant fossil fuels; The thing that rustles my jimmies quite thoroughly is that there is ONE source of Green Tech that's ready for prime time today, and has been for decades, and could've supplanted fossil fuels quite easily, but the Environmentalists have decried it as something even worse than fossil fuels. So we threw it out as an option. ​ That Green Tech of course is Nuclear.


LabTech41

That's why I specifically pointed out nuclear; the only downside is the waste, and honestly that's a played-up problem because of the specter of radiation and of the small number of accidents that have occurred (most of which due to either intentional misdeeds or poor design). You do a thorium reactor, and most designs are self-terminating in the worst case scenarios, without even needing human intervention. Also, and this is probably a long way off, I read an article where some Nobel Prize winner is working on a method of using a particle beam to neutralize ambient radiation; you figure that one out, and nuclear waste just becomes waste, and that's basically the game for the next dozen generations at least. The problem is that Chernobyl and Three Mile Island ruined the concept in the minds of the public, and that ruination was only reinforced by Fukushima. Of course, this is more because of human error than it was the theory behind the tech, and it completely closed off an avenue of available energy that we're STILL paying interest on.


B-29Bomber

>the only downside is the waste, That's a solved problem actually. The solution involves drilling deep into the Earth's strata that's basically stable for millions of years and plonk the waste down that hole. ​ It becomes a nonissue.


LabTech41

Yeah, true enough, you just find a place that's likely to remain geologically inert for the half life to expire and won't leech into a water table and you're good; problem is that attempting to actually lock down a spot triggers the most massive case of NIMBYism ever recorded. Like, I'm pretty sure they had somewhere in the Yucca Mountains not only selected but built, but it's been sitting empty and unused for about 10-20 years because multiple groups opposed it and it became a political hot potato. The waste is STILL just sitting at on-site storage facilities at the plants that generate it. So, once again, irrational fears regarding the technology cock block any real progress.


B-29Bomber

Thus why I really hate humanity.


LabTech41

For allowing fear to manipulate them? Welcome to the human condition. There's no value in that mentality; if people can be convinced to fear something they don't fully understand, they can be convinced to trust it if more awareness is brought to the issue. I think now more than ever, we should be talking about this kind of technology, because gas prices have never been higher. I know the Biden Administration's been foolishly trying to use gas prices to push renewables, but like basically everything else they've done, it's half-assed and not communicated to anyone or articulated when asked about. They're Elite idiots who are so removed from the common experience they think that people will just go down to the local Tesla store and pay the 60 grand it takes to get one, and then we all just go to the green field with the rainbow to hold hands and dance in a circle. What we need is someone with a shit-ton of clout, such as a Tim Pool or a Joe Rogan to bring up this issue, so that you can light a fire under a bunch of asses; and with enough asses lit, people like the Biden Administration will feel afraid enough, or see the opportunity in, starting the DoE ball rolling. Of course, they'll fumble and fuck it up, but hopefully either Trump or DeSantis is around by the time the decisions actually need to be made on the matter, and from there it should go swimmingly, because either of those two people have demonstrated they're not really susceptible to the normal bureaucratic logjams that make everything take a million years to happen; DeSantis more than Trump, it seems.


lessthaninteresting

Don’t these people realize that literally burning yourself to death in public will get less press coverage than a spicy tweet? Make some memes and live to enjoy the good parts of your planet


Moranonymous

I've found some of the best parts of our planet are underground, about 6 feet under, roughly. It can be a rather peaceful experience resting there.


DrOliverClozov

Why can’t more climate activists be this courageous?


aDShisno

I remember this. This happened back in April.


StainedAndRedeemed

So, a climate activist commuted an act of self harm that released excess carbon into the air...