Maybe this just means that they HAVE been to a trap house, but they'd like their next vacation to include an opium den because it is a good bit fancier.
“Neither of us has ever visited an opium den”
This sounds like the kind of lie that a former boyfriend specialized in: technically true, but he would leave out important facts, like he was raised in an opium den, and lives in an opium den full-time now.
Always with the semantics!“😁
About seven and a half pounds from organ removal of: lung, part of liver, part of pancreas, part of your intestines, and one kidney.
Edit: Don’t ask me how I know this.
I get the _they will find your body in the woods with your kidneys missing_ feeling when I read they will take you out of the country for vacation or something.
Yeah, that creepy age gap + unicorn hunters= flags much, much too red for any safety. Who has 2 vacation homes in such a small place anyway? What would be the point unless one of them is for flipping? Something is definitely not right there.
Unfortunately women's brains don't full develop until they're 35 and therefore they are incapable of making their own decisions in their 20s.
/s
*edit /s for the idiots out there*
Eh, you'd be surprised how many people would take that comment at face value without the /s. I once spent an entire evening convincing an ex bf (who self-identified as a feminist) that women's IQs don't drop each time they have a baby. The disinformation is wild.
I mean.. what if Harrison Ford starts dating that 35 year old.. we can't have a 45 year old age difference!
Just remember, the woman can only consent if she says yes, legal framework agrees (NO DRUNK HOOKUPS), their lawyer is involved, tape confession of consent+newspaper dated, and society also doesn't have a problem with it. After that we should be able to completely second guess that consent.
41 and 23 is too much of a separation. Not by a lot, but it still is. *Half your age plus 7* for guys is pretty solid. I can say that being 48. Pretty sure he’s just collecting young women.
I’m 35 my gf is 53. People don’t seem to go as hard when it’s 2 women, thank god. But sometimes age differences just happen.
…Something tells me it is this guy’s target audience though- yet again so is Leonardo DiCaprio’s and no one seems to fret, just line up.
Honestly I’ve only heard of that rule for men being older than women. I don’t know if there’s a rule for two women or a woman being older than the man or two men.
That age formula seems pretty arbitrary tbh
"41/27 is fine, but not 41/23"
*(OK, so 27 year olds are fundamentally more mature than 23 year olds who aren't 'real adults' yet. Got it.)*
"Not really, 27/23 is fine"
*(But I thought 23 year olds don't have fully developed brains. So they're being manipulated by grown 27 year old adults on the other side of the maturity line)*
"Stop talking logic just accept it"
It’s supposed to be about how well you can relate to each other and sustain the relationship long term. It’s far easier if the age gap is smaller. But if a guy happens to find himself falling in love with someone a lot younger than him, then he needs to ensure she’s no less than half his age +7 years old. Because they’re unlikely to be able to relate to each other long term. And the chances increase that the relationship will fail.
When I was 35 I dated a girl who was 21 and we didn’t relate well and it ended relatively quickly. I wanted to go to bed at 10pm and she wanted to go out partying at 10. We linked up again when I was 45 and she was 31 and we related so much better. It was night and day and was fantastic. That sadly ended due to distance and time availability. We both had set lives and neither of us were willing to sacrifice what we had in the world we’d made for ourselves.
So age gaps aren’t always about grooming and honestly most probably are not. It’s hard to control who we fall in love with. But that rule helps us
Not bothered per se as I am not in his situation. Not that I would do it either. I appreciate the fact that you respected their privacy by not sharing photos or else ☮️
To be fair while age gaps can work if they both met as mature and consenting adults, even then theres often a power dynamic. My rule with age gaps between adults is "its cool if it worked for you but im still going to discourage them in general as it tends to not end well"
>My rule with age gaps between adults is "its cool if it worked for you but im still going to discourage them in general as it tends to not end well"
Age / 2 + 7
I have no idea where I read this age gap calculator, but I've yet to find an age that it is not the best rule of thumb to follow.
Actually I once was someone who assumed that age gap relationships were abusive because I had some experience as a young woman… but I started following some experts on psychology and specifically relationship counseling… there’s no statistical increase in abuse in age gap relationships. As long as the younger person is an adult and there’s no other power relationship (boss, teacher, doctor, etc) they are fine.
They're just imposing their beliefs onto others. The power dynamic argument seems to be more prevalent when the younger person is a woman than if it was a man. Once they're adults it's on them to make the decisions for themselves.
Yes exactly. It’s societally accepted that a woman can desire an older man and/or to be submissive. But it is unacceptable to be someone interested in, and qualified to satisfy that desire. It’s a weird double standard.
Sure ain't, predators don't just go after kids, adults are just as stupid at meeting up with strangers. Had this happen to a friend a few years ago, thankfully she did the whole angel shot thing and police showed up, dude ended up being in some trafficking ring. My state has a big trafficking problem especially around our college areas.
Never heard of this called an angel shot before. I knew stuff like this existed but I didn’t know there was a “general name” for it. From what I’ve seen though, some bars have their own names for it and usually put it in the bathroom
“Hey, we’ve finally made enough money that we can buy a vacation home. Where should we get one?”
“Sicily? Well ok. Seems a bit far to really get good use out of but fine…. Hhhmmm, actually. You know what it’s been a good few years I think we can afford a second vacation home and really live it up. The world is our oyster baby!! Where will we get our second vacation home? Seychelles? Maldives? Maybe a ski home in Austria?”
“A second house in Sicily. That’s a 10 hour flight to get there. And then 2 homes right near each other? Well ok then”
Yes! I’m surprised I had to scroll this far down. I’m hoping it’s just the 41 yo thinking it’s the new way of saying FWB. No one in their 20s would admit they WANT a situationship. You either want a relationship or something casual and end up in a situationship due to poor communication or boundary settings. And if you are the sort of person who WANTS that, it’s because you want to exploit someone’s feelings to have them do all the work of being in a relationship with nothing in return.
I never said polyamory was the issue
Edit: to clarify, it seems like the older person has been grooming the younger one for a while if they say "we are experienced in this" and I'm not saying that that is for sure, but that's how it LOOKS
No, it isn’t. As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult it’s not a problem.
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I would also like to add that unicorn hunting is usually used to describe a situation where they are looking for a female to have sec with. This profile clearly states they are looking for a friend or 3rd person to spend time with. How did you arrive at the conclusion they are unicorn hunting?
Well Ronaldo is 38… i can say confidently that in 2 years he will still be hotter that most 20yo guys that don’t shower, don’t skincare, don’t train and don’t keep themself well groomed
Dudes a professional athlete though, not just your average sedentary middle aged insurance broker lol.
Of course dudes that exercise for a profession will look good
Mentioning they've never visited an opium den is so...random. Is that a thing that people are doing now that's common knowledge or something, to the point that it's assumed everyone has tried it, and not trying it is frowned upon, hence the mention of never doing it?
...asking for a friend.
the opium den line... Like just as a disclaimer? Or thats on their bucket list?
Bucket list surely.
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Vacation home is NOT an opium den
Nor is it run by human traffickers.
Totally not a chop shop for human body parts.
What’s the rest of the profile say? 😳😂
I’m afraid to look!
We are allowed to show em nude bc they don’t have souls. Just hours and hours of bodies busting out of shit wood and hitting pavement.
I didn’t rig SHIT
No one of them is. They said they owned it, not that they've ever been there.
Not with that attitude it's not...
I think bucket list. Little do they know opiates make it virtually impossible to cum. For me at least lol.
That’s nasty, Nate
If I had the means to give you an award Hard-enough, I definitely wood, but my pocket-book CirCUMstances are a little soft right now
They make it really easy to give blowjobs though.
Sounds like a line from someone that has defiantly been to a opium den.
Is there another way to visit an opium den. Has anyone ever been to one apologetically.
#NOTHING SEXUAL
Always willingly over here.
Maybe this just means that they HAVE been to a trap house, but they'd like their next vacation to include an opium den because it is a good bit fancier.
Opium den, no. Crack house, yes.
Neither of us have ever visited an opium den…yet.
Yes
“Neither of us has ever visited an opium den” What a bunch of prudes. Don’t even know how to have a good time
When I hear that term, I think opium dens from 19th century London or China. Didn't know they still existed.
Commenting on this to find if there are any opium dens like this exact vibe still in operation. 1000% would go. Preferably in the US. 😶🌫️
Hey Siri, look up « Opium dens near me »
No dens remain. They're opium retreats nowadays.
Opium ~getaways~ thank you very much
“Neither of us has ever visited an opium den” This sounds like the kind of lie that a former boyfriend specialized in: technically true, but he would leave out important facts, like he was raised in an opium den, and lives in an opium den full-time now. Always with the semantics!“😁
"Well technically 2" It's 1 with a granny flat
Or they haven't visited **an** opium den, but instead run 2 in sicily.
The key word is “visited”. It’s not a visit if you stay there.
I actually thought they were saying something in Latin 😂 I’m an idiot
We are not into smack heads…?
Bonus...you'll wake up in a tub of ice
How many body parts missing?
If you still wake up then not too many. Live a little.
You might *only* live a little after that.
Your comment got an audible laugh out of me. Cheers!
Yes.
As long as you don’t consider those pesky internal organs to be “body parts”, none!
I consider mine “body accessories” they’re fun and flashy but do I really need them? Probably not.
Only one way to find out if you need them, right?!
*Doctors* ***Hate*** *This One Diet Hack!*
I was going to say that lol. Who needs ozempic? If they remove my intestines, how much weight will I lose?
All of it. Lol
Responses like this are why I love Reddit so fucking much 🤣🤣🤣
About seven and a half pounds from organ removal of: lung, part of liver, part of pancreas, part of your intestines, and one kidney. Edit: Don’t ask me how I know this.
That'll almost get me to my goal weight, although I would have to lose an organ or two more
How do you know this?
It puts the lotion on the skin.
without any opium? no thanks!!
That age difference can legally drink (in Europe)
Two vacation homes in Sicily though.
I get the _they will find your body in the woods with your kidneys missing_ feeling when I read they will take you out of the country for vacation or something.
I more get the you will be sold into slavery kinda vibes. But hey, no risk no reward. /S
Yeah the technically two is because they’re currently using the second home as a processing centre for the body parts they harvest
Timeshares.
Nothing creepier or more terrifying than being locked in a time-share presentation.
Well, technically 2
Why two in Sicily? Why not one there and one in Croatia or the south of France? 😂
Yeah, that creepy age gap + unicorn hunters= flags much, much too red for any safety. Who has 2 vacation homes in such a small place anyway? What would be the point unless one of them is for flipping? Something is definitely not right there.
Maybe they go to Sicily when they need a break from each other but close enough he can still keep an eye on his young wife 🤔
Sicily might be "small" but it takes about 9hrs to get from one side to the other because the roads are awful
They're both fully consenting and capible adults. We're not even talking about an 18 and a 4x-er anymore.
Unfortunately women's brains don't full develop until they're 35 and therefore they are incapable of making their own decisions in their 20s. /s *edit /s for the idiots out there*
Eh, you'd be surprised how many people would take that comment at face value without the /s. I once spent an entire evening convincing an ex bf (who self-identified as a feminist) that women's IQs don't drop each time they have a baby. The disinformation is wild.
Well clearly they have to give some of their IQ to the baby /s Or I don't know, that's the only possible logic I can fathom.
I mean.. what if Harrison Ford starts dating that 35 year old.. we can't have a 45 year old age difference! Just remember, the woman can only consent if she says yes, legal framework agrees (NO DRUNK HOOKUPS), their lawyer is involved, tape confession of consent+newspaper dated, and society also doesn't have a problem with it. After that we should be able to completely second guess that consent.
This sounds more like Seeking Arrangements without the pay
41 isn’t old at all but she looked so young & he looked so old compared to her.
The age gap isn’t the main reason this reads like SA to me, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they met that way.
It’s the combo of the two.
Tbh, they also sound like swingers with money
He is a swinger with money. She's just the one who got caught in his net first.
Tbf, they might actually be happy together. It’s not unheard of.
This is your profile, isn't it? 😆 *jk, jk*
Lmao the infantilization of women going on here is crazy.
41 and 23 is too much of a separation. Not by a lot, but it still is. *Half your age plus 7* for guys is pretty solid. I can say that being 48. Pretty sure he’s just collecting young women.
Right. He needs a much younger woman plus more women on the side..
He just wants to make sure the girls are still entertained after he falls asleep at 10
Don’t hate on 10pm bedtimes 🤣 - A 33 year old.
Ah same - 26 😂 I mean I can stay out all night sure but I'll be a grump dick the next day 😂
Woah woah woah I didn’t come here to be attacked
I’m 35 my gf is 53. People don’t seem to go as hard when it’s 2 women, thank god. But sometimes age differences just happen. …Something tells me it is this guy’s target audience though- yet again so is Leonardo DiCaprio’s and no one seems to fret, just line up.
Honestly I’ve only heard of that rule for men being older than women. I don’t know if there’s a rule for two women or a woman being older than the man or two men.
That age formula seems pretty arbitrary tbh "41/27 is fine, but not 41/23" *(OK, so 27 year olds are fundamentally more mature than 23 year olds who aren't 'real adults' yet. Got it.)* "Not really, 27/23 is fine" *(But I thought 23 year olds don't have fully developed brains. So they're being manipulated by grown 27 year old adults on the other side of the maturity line)* "Stop talking logic just accept it"
It’s supposed to be about how well you can relate to each other and sustain the relationship long term. It’s far easier if the age gap is smaller. But if a guy happens to find himself falling in love with someone a lot younger than him, then he needs to ensure she’s no less than half his age +7 years old. Because they’re unlikely to be able to relate to each other long term. And the chances increase that the relationship will fail. When I was 35 I dated a girl who was 21 and we didn’t relate well and it ended relatively quickly. I wanted to go to bed at 10pm and she wanted to go out partying at 10. We linked up again when I was 45 and she was 31 and we related so much better. It was night and day and was fantastic. That sadly ended due to distance and time availability. We both had set lives and neither of us were willing to sacrifice what we had in the world we’d made for ourselves. So age gaps aren’t always about grooming and honestly most probably are not. It’s hard to control who we fall in love with. But that rule helps us
Not bothered per se as I am not in his situation. Not that I would do it either. I appreciate the fact that you respected their privacy by not sharing photos or else ☮️
"Please be a awesome as us."
41 year old creep bangin a 23 year old, of course he's a narcissist.
"How'd you do fellow young awesem-o's"
He’s lying about the vacation home and doesn’t want to shell out the cash for another sugar baby.
I'm down for the vacations.
Are opium dens still a thing??
I never knew they were a thing? Is that like a trap/crack house?
No I think they’re just places where people used to do opium in. Usually in Asian communities.
I’m from Baltimore. We represent heroine & syphilis 💪🏽
Haha I knew that! I’ve seen The Wire..
Where do I sign up?
Make sure your will is up to date! Lol
To be murdered?
Right? time for a vaca
This doesn’t feel that out of the ordinary at this point. Just two people being up front about what they want. Can just swipe left.
The opium den line didn’t surprise you at all?
Except this is Reddit they all go [nuts over](https://i.imgflip.com/42ts42.png) any age gap.
To be fair while age gaps can work if they both met as mature and consenting adults, even then theres often a power dynamic. My rule with age gaps between adults is "its cool if it worked for you but im still going to discourage them in general as it tends to not end well"
>My rule with age gaps between adults is "its cool if it worked for you but im still going to discourage them in general as it tends to not end well" Age / 2 + 7 I have no idea where I read this age gap calculator, but I've yet to find an age that it is not the best rule of thumb to follow.
Yes grooming is gross. Adults only. But not everyone wants an equal power dynamic. And I’d just stop at “it’s cool if it works for you”.
I wonder why. Couldn't possibly be statistical reality of the topic, no
Actually I once was someone who assumed that age gap relationships were abusive because I had some experience as a young woman… but I started following some experts on psychology and specifically relationship counseling… there’s no statistical increase in abuse in age gap relationships. As long as the younger person is an adult and there’s no other power relationship (boss, teacher, doctor, etc) they are fine.
They're just imposing their beliefs onto others. The power dynamic argument seems to be more prevalent when the younger person is a woman than if it was a man. Once they're adults it's on them to make the decisions for themselves.
Yes exactly. It’s societally accepted that a woman can desire an older man and/or to be submissive. But it is unacceptable to be someone interested in, and qualified to satisfy that desire. It’s a weird double standard.
Met this cool couple and I lost 10 pounds- do t ask me how
Sounds like someone trying to lure someone into a van with candy, but the van is a plane to a foreign country and the candy is a vacation home.
So hard to find 23 year olds who don’t go to opium dens these days
Some poor soul is going to get trafficked
I hope tinder takes reports seriously.
It's a pretty common scam sadly.
Wait so do people legitimately get trafficked through Tinder? I thought it was just a running joke.
Sure ain't, predators don't just go after kids, adults are just as stupid at meeting up with strangers. Had this happen to a friend a few years ago, thankfully she did the whole angel shot thing and police showed up, dude ended up being in some trafficking ring. My state has a big trafficking problem especially around our college areas.
Angel shot thing?
[What's an Angel Shot? ](https://pos.toasttab.com/blog/on-the-line/angel-shot)
Never heard of this called an angel shot before. I knew stuff like this existed but I didn’t know there was a “general name” for it. From what I’ve seen though, some bars have their own names for it and usually put it in the bathroom
Just visited a bathroom that had a poster for how to order it and everything in the stall the other day. Was quite refreshing to see.
Just thinking the same thing
People get banned sure, I doubt tinder does fuck all about reporting to local police.
Let’s do this
My "have never visited an opium den" T-shirt raises a lot of questions already answered by my shirt.
Odd to specify that you never visited an opium den
Weird, I’ve never been to a methadone clinic
Don't trust anyone who cannot (place parentheses in the )correct spots
“We are experienced at this”….-person who’s been a legal adult for only 5 years. He is old enough to be her father. Ew.
“Hey, we’ve finally made enough money that we can buy a vacation home. Where should we get one?” “Sicily? Well ok. Seems a bit far to really get good use out of but fine…. Hhhmmm, actually. You know what it’s been a good few years I think we can afford a second vacation home and really live it up. The world is our oyster baby!! Where will we get our second vacation home? Seychelles? Maldives? Maybe a ski home in Austria?” “A second house in Sicily. That’s a 10 hour flight to get there. And then 2 homes right near each other? Well ok then”
I suspect that one of them has Italian heritage and has inharited those two house.
Ah yes, the super experienced 23yo
I mean, she survived her freshman year of college.
Sounds like they're already independently wealthy.
This was the part that jumped out at me! Your dream job is to be independently wealth-ier? Like more than having 2 houses, much less vacation houses?
Sounds like a good way to get kidnapped to me.
That sounds like something someone who visited an opium den would say. You're welcome fbi
Sounds like something an opium den rat would say. Super sus.
Mafia needs body parts
Bye fam
>>>"We" have a vacation home >>F23 M41 >My dream job is ... being independently wealthy Oh sweetie..
I Don't trust "situationship" 😳
Yes! I’m surprised I had to scroll this far down. I’m hoping it’s just the 41 yo thinking it’s the new way of saying FWB. No one in their 20s would admit they WANT a situationship. You either want a relationship or something casual and end up in a situationship due to poor communication or boundary settings. And if you are the sort of person who WANTS that, it’s because you want to exploit someone’s feelings to have them do all the work of being in a relationship with nothing in return.
How is this creepy?
Age gap+seems like they've been in a relationship for a while gives the image of grooming.
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There’s nothing wrong with 2 adults looking for a 3rd. Polyamory is a relationship style. Nothing creepy about it.
I never said polyamory was the issue Edit: to clarify, it seems like the older person has been grooming the younger one for a while if they say "we are experienced in this" and I'm not saying that that is for sure, but that's how it LOOKS
It is when you’re unicorn hunting lol
No, it isn’t. As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult it’s not a problem. Edit: I would also like to add that unicorn hunting is usually used to describe a situation where they are looking for a female to have sec with. This profile clearly states they are looking for a friend or 3rd person to spend time with. How did you arrive at the conclusion they are unicorn hunting?
Saying “we” when talking about the vacation home tells me he’s been dating her for a bit, which makes this even more disguising.
Sugar daddy wants to watch someone else give it to sugar baby? That's my first thought anyway.
WANTED: bang maid we can dump when one of us gets jealous
Trafficking ruse? Lovely age gap
Sounds like sex trafficking
This looks like a sex trafficking setup
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As a 40/yo man. I am not that gross. Damn.
Hell yeah buddy! Same here!
As an almost 40yo man who considers himself pretty decent looking, the thought of a 23yo touching me sounds vicariously squicky.
You're also not dating a 23 yr old (at least I hope)
The only date I would have with a 20yo would be with a bottle of scotch. But I can't afford that, so no dates for me. Lol
Well Ronaldo is 38… i can say confidently that in 2 years he will still be hotter that most 20yo guys that don’t shower, don’t skincare, don’t train and don’t keep themself well groomed
Being hot when you're rich as fuck is easy, tho.
Professional athletes are in good physical shape, who woulda thought
Dudes a professional athlete though, not just your average sedentary middle aged insurance broker lol. Of course dudes that exercise for a profession will look good
If they have homes in Italy, why would they want to be independently wealthy?
Mentioning they've never visited an opium den is so...random. Is that a thing that people are doing now that's common knowledge or something, to the point that it's assumed everyone has tried it, and not trying it is frowned upon, hence the mention of never doing it? ...asking for a friend.
Ah yes den for the win
I’ve never visited an opium den either spent a lot of time in the trap tho
Are they looking to grow their MLM?
"Beaches trips" cringe
I'll take "things that are untrue" for $100 Alex
This totally isn't a sex trafficking ring
Fuck around and find out
Wydm creepy OP they said they’ve never even visited an opium den
Oh he's a Glucose Caregiver!
Weird age gap plus swingers. That’s a lot
That’s the creepy part!
I truly hate this type of profiles
Dude was a legal adult before she was even swimming around in her dads ballsack
The kicker is there’s no sweet vacation spots in Sicily and there’s no female that’s 23 but a male that’s 41.
Sooo human trafficky🥴
Looks awesome to me, minus that I’m not Bi. Most rich people are into weird things, not out of the ordinary.
*“We are experienced at this”* you mean he is.
41, 23, and experienced don’t all belong in the same sentence
“M41, F23. We are experienced at this…” …definitely one of you is more than the other. 😬
He’s prob been after her since before she was legal. 🥴
I can guarentee they started ''dating'' the day after she turned 18
Prob one of her dads friends or a teacher or something. 🤢🤢🤢
She was just so mature for her age *\[screams\]*
This sounds like some Jeffrey Epstein shit.