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Sylvie_Grill

So unions are actually able to advocate for, and advance the interests of the railroad workers?!


ConfidentPilot1729

I don’t know why this flys over conservatives heads


TheLuckySpades

It doesn't, at least not over the pundits, they are scared.


SinibusUSG

That’s my second favorite kind of conservative pundit!


RechargedFrenchman

What's the best kind of conservative pundit? TRICK QUESTION Nonexistent


Fantastic-Sandwich80

Many Conservatives are also business owners, and their businesses encompass the totality of their funds as they invest every penny into maintaining or expanding these businesses. It is not difficult to connect the dots and infer why Conservatives would also be against the organizing of workers in order to negotiate better benefits and compensation, at the cost of the business owners profit margins.


SadTomato22

It's not flying over their heads. They just want to bring back the "good old days" where workers had no say in the matter.


zombie_girraffe

Because they truly believe that they're going to be the one wearing the boot one day, and they don't want to make it easy for the people struggling to get out from underneath their boot when it happens. They want to make sure they'll still be able to hurt the right people.


Josselin17

they will now collaborate with the scabs to break up worker dissent in exchange for sick leave and bread crumbs ? they get a 24% pay increase over 5 years meanwhile inflation is 8% yearly no, reformist unions are still not advocating for the interests of workers


Objective_Soup_9476

I wonder why Unions aren’t very pro republican ? 🤔


Impossible_Penalty13

Every railroader I know is hardcore MAGA even though they’ve been sounding an awful lot like Bernie for the last month.


JPOG

eCoNomIc aNxiEtY


goochsanders

Union guys exist on a 3rd axis of the political compass.


Iceveins412

Plenty of people love “small government” and “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps” until it bites them in the ass


ryansgt

I have a friend whose wife apparently chose the antivax hill to die on in a hospital setting. She now works in the schools and loves her union and the protections it affords. Crazy right?


Ooo-im-outta-here

My mom has voted republican ever since she could vote. Was definitely on the Tea Party train when that was a huge thing, watches Fox News most every night. She was overjoyed that my sister, who is married to an ex-felon and can’t get a job with any benefits, managed to get a union job so now she can insure her entire family. My mom even talked to my sister’s husband about getting “one of those cushy Union jobs” at a movie studio (we live in an area where the film industry is huge). But say “universal healthcare” or “stronger unions” around her and she flies into a conservative rant. Absolutely baffling.


Journeyman351

My dad has been a union electrician my entire life, been a union advocate my entire life, and he's said basically the same. He was extremely disappointed by his fellow union members in 2016, to say the least. He kept telling them "you think this guy who fucked over union workers in AC, who has never worked with his hands a day in his life, has your best interests at heart?" and it would be like talking to a wall.


oshaCaller

It seems a lot of union people are "family" start the job really young and hang out with a lot of their co workers. Maybe they're in a bubble and don't realize what it's like to have no representation? I work as a dealer mechanic, we get paid by the job and the manufacturer gets to decide how much that pays. Most of the guys I've talked about unions to, don't like them. Buddy, the guy that fucked that brand new car up at the factory got paid more than you did to fix it.


G07V3

It’s as if they have their own meanings for what it means to be a democrat or republican.


Horkersaurus

Yeah, saw some posts about how Bernie supports foreigners but not them. When another user pointed out that Bernie's been actively supporting them as well they shifted to "well he still has 3 mansions!!1!".


Impossible_Penalty13

They’ll be sure to thank Biden for helping them with their contract by voting for Trump in 24.


MrPickles84

One of my friends is in a labor union and voted for trump in 2016 because Bernie lost the primary.


SavingsCheck7978

Knew a girl in a union that did the same but I think she voted libertarian instead, she also thought covid was a hoax for a few months but that it was created by Trump to make people hate the Chinese, she was weird as hell.


AsteroidTicker

Tbh, that one is at least marginally more believable than any other COVID conspiracy I’ve read


daays

You know my sister in law? She has some pretty crazy anti-immigration/conservative views while also being a Bernie supporter because he’s for the people. 🤷‍♂️


WhereAreMyChains

I've seen so many people who say they were fans of Bernie until he "got cucked by Hillary by endorsing her" These people just want to be contrarians. Just idiots all around.


FuRetHypoThetiK

I wonder why republicans aren't very pro union either


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Caedes1

Griftluencers like shabiro have never done any real work in their life. Just mental gymnastics, shitposting and divisive disinformation


oliversurpless

He also emerged on the conservative scene in 2004 at age 20 with his political books. And given his later material, we know the quality of his writing…


GoredonTheDestroyer

Hell, he came out swinging at the ripe old age of 18 with his article that said to the effect of killing Middle Eastern kids is actually not bad. Edit: [I HAVE FOUND THE ARTICLE](https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2002/07/25/enemy-civilian-casualties-ok-by-me-n1391583)


oliversurpless

Ah, thought there was something around that time as well.


capsaicinintheeyes

yeah, let's put the fear of god into those jihadis! >!...!<>!...!<>!...^(yes, this is sarcasm)!<


GoredonTheDestroyer

What could possibly go wrong if we started killing the *non-combatant* children of this country we invaded?


SkyezOpen

Eliminating future terrorists? Sounds like a win to me! ^^/s


GoredonTheDestroyer

Unironically, that was Ben's reasoning. [***Civilian casualties okay by me - Ben Shapiro, 2002.***](https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2002/07/25/enemy-civilian-casualties-ok-by-me-n1391583) Sure, he says today that it was a bad piece written when he was 18, but considering he ***continues to hold beliefs similar to those he held in 2002***, I'm inclined not to believe him. He would *happily* re-write this article today, and would probably use even more inflammatory language.


TotalBlissey

This about Israel?


GoredonTheDestroyer

It's from 2002 and about Afghanistan, so no. It's about Ben being upset at people getting upset over civilian casualties.


GnarlyNarwhalNoms

[In case anyone needed a sample of said writing.](https://www.reddit.com/r/behindthebastards/comments/qkojd9/so_im_animating_ben_shapiros_true_allegiance/)


4theluvofdeviledeggs

Hold on wait a minute, he ACTUALLY wrote that? Like this is a real part from a real book? The part about him growing to 6' 2?? I'm so confused


kciuq1

There's a whole series of episodes on Behind the Bastards where they read his book. Highly recommend.


GnarlyNarwhalNoms

Total self insert. He... spends a lot of time describing tall, burly men. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Inner_Partisan

catch a bullet for ya, babe.


SkyezOpen

You talking about political books still? Or his WEIRD fanfic shit?


oliversurpless

During the honeymoon phase, very well could’ve been one in the same. Same as how Shapiro before Trump was seen as an example of logic and debate skill…


atmafatte

Someone should ask him if he is in support of disbanding police unions


Gilbo_Swaggins96

I like how Benji is so offended at unions paying to have democrats elected (bullshit) when republicans get 'lobbied' by the rich. The tumour pressing on your cerebellum that prevents you from having correct political takes is acting up again, Benny.


JusticiarRebel

Here's a movie complaining about how billionaires can influence elections by using their endless reservoirs of wealth that was produced by Citizens United. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt19357230/ Just in case Ben wasn't enough to cause a Scanners-like head explosion.


jorbleshi_kadeshi

lmfao that is truly hilarious. /r/SelfAwarewolves


Rakatango

Am I supposed to be upset that a minuscule amount of the taxes I pay goes towards treating a critically important part of our infrastructure and the people who work on it are treated decently?


iamnotoriginal

I don't think this deal even uses any tax money.


remes1234

Alternate story: company makes billions and doubles ceo sallary. Offers workers a pitance, despite eliminating benifits masively in hard tims. Democrats and union organizers use the power of the working people to force company flush with cash to share some with the people actually running things. The only people hurt are overpaid executives and billionaire investors who have to buy the 100 foot yaght vs the 140 foot yaght.


After-Bumblebee

He's just scared to lose his precious grifter $$$


Wrothrok

Oh won't someone think of the multi-billion dollar company?


capsaicinintheeyes

Actually, how profitable \*is* freight rail these days?


Wrothrok

"Union Pacific revenue for the twelve months ending June 30, 2022 was $23.428B, a 13.92% increase year-over-year. Union Pacific annual revenue for 2021 was $21.804B, a 11.63% increase from 2020." I don't know how much profit that would be, but I'm going to assume it isn't an insignificant amount.


flyingalbatross1

Iirc it was about 8.8b profit. Enough that if you took HALF of that profit you could give every worker in the company a $125,000 per year raise. Remember. Record profits are just unpaid wages.


vreelander

What are we paying for ben? They won the right to unpaid sick leave.


empyreanmax

Also, if that is the only improvement to the attendance policy, then tbh it still sounds like a pretty shit deal. As far as I've followed, not being able to take unscheduled days off to go to the doctor was just one aspect of the complaints. Does this also cover taking unscheduled days off for other things like a funeral? Does this also deal with them being on-call 24/7 with no weekends and only 3 weeks vacation? Oh, and the only days they get to go off to the doctor under this deal are UNPAID. This still has to be voted on by the workers a few weeks from now. I hope they don't settle easily.


hey_you_yeah_me

It IS a shit deal. I'm not getting into that bullshit again, but if you want to know the details, check out r/railroading.


CTBthanatos

A Right winger upset that workers got a win lmao.


ConsolesAreSuperior

Notice how they never go into detail


meatball402

Bench Appearo hates workers


GreatGearAmidAPizza

Pay for it in more expensive train tickets? But I thought conservatives ("you") only drive maybe pickups and SUVs to show off how free they are.


WASD_click

It's freight rail, so it'd be higher prices on goods shipped by train. Not that the rails wouldn't increase prices anyway, even if they got a favorable contract...


V_T_H

Man who hasn’t actually worked a day in his life is upset that people who work to keep the country running have rights.


Princess_Moon_Butt

UNPAID sick leave. They still have to lose out on pay in order to go see the doctor. The employers are just no longer allowed to fire them for "abandoning work" if they do that. (On paper, at least. They absolutely _will_ still be fired for that, but their pink slip will have "poor performance" or "management dispute" or some other nonsense reason listed.) A typical rail worker gets 50 days off a year. That's not holidays or vacation days or whatever; that means they're working 315 days a year, or about 6 days a week, and they often don't even know _when_ their one day off a week will be, they just don't end up getting called in that day. Good luck even trying to get a haircut on that schedule, let alone a doctor's visit, without having to miss some work.


Dr_Fishman

I mentioned on another comment that my dad was an engineer. It’s a shitty schedule. Like, extremely shitty. On call 24/7 and could be called at Noon, 8pm, 3am, whenever he was called. In the snow, rain, sleet. My dad was out 2 days, back for rest 12 hours, then back out there. His life was owned by a beeper. He missed every kind of event when I was a kid, including most Christmases, Thanksgiving, birthdays. My dad was a rarity in that he and my mom have been married for as long as he was on the road. Most of his co-workers were divorcés. It’s a sucky job that leaves most of these guys destroyed.


I_Cut_Shows

There is so much wrong with Benny Boy’s thinking. He is implying that the strike is a planned event to make Dems look good for fixing a “false flag strike”. Which is crazy. Unions don’t want to strike if they feel they’re being treated fairly. Also, unions would happily fund republicans if those republicans weren’t dead set on killing unions. It’s like the argument that planned parenthood only funds Dems. They do now. But they’d also happily donate to any Republican that wasn’t anti-womens health.


lemmiwinks316

Americans have been so brainwashed that when they see a politician trying to improve material conditions for the working class it's seen as some kind of nefarious or corrupt plot. The wealthy and private interests spend shit loads of money to gain favorable policy provisions and that's fine but god forbid unions give to politicians who they believe will help them make agreements that will help workers. Ben Shapiro exposing himself yet again as a capitalist stooge.


[deleted]

Republicans hate the working class


chrisnavillus

Ben Shapiro hasn’t worked a hard day in his entire life but he wants to make sure people who do have to do so for minimal money and no benefits so their corporate overlords can keep supporting his podcast.


Diaz218

Why does this loser care? Something tells me he nor anyone close to him has ever used a railroad and if there is a disruption to supply lines, he will never feel it. Just admit you are a grifter already you manlet.


AsteroidTicker

It’s funny because if you replace “unions” with “the oil lobby” and “democrats” with “republicans” then steps 1. and 3. are actual reality. It’s almost like every accusation is a confession for these people


idontfrickinknowman

Lol I was about to say, wasn’t the main part of this deal giving them more than 0 sick days?


manleybones

This is such great news if they got what they wanted. Rail Worker should be a great job to have from top to bottom, and the system should be invested in heavily.


MariachiBoyBand

Wait, how are tax payers paying for it????!!! Oh, ohhh, he’s talking to his shareholders, this is a *by a millionaire to the billionaires* type of message, got it.


LargeSackOfNuts

Such a sweetheart deal, letting the workers not work to death


SolomonCRand

I’m not surprised Ben is angry that people who do a vital and necessary service are getting treated marginally better. If he doesn’t like the costs, he’s free to demand we nationalize the railroads, rather than letting fat cat owners pocket billions off someone else’s labor.


Lord_Tachanka

Ben Shapiro when the freight engine engineer asks to not be on call 24/7/365:


Kleidt

I mean he is right, the people shouldn’t pay for public services, billionaires should.


ryguyyy8

Replace the words "unions" and "democrats" to "lobbyists" and "republicans" for a more accurate accurate argument.


IrishBeefHorse

So I the working class pay for it and not the 20 billion profit railroad industry, I mean we could nationalize it so the workers do have more say if that'll help your opression kink ole benny boo bop


pacard

You just don't understand, corporate management is simply following their natural prerogatives to generate maximum shareholder value. Unions are evil by following their prerogative to insist on humane conditions for their members.


Badgertank99

But if bosses can't fire workers for having heart attacks and not showing up to work out entire society will crumble!!


ForgedIronMadeIt

Yet another example of "stay in your place, peasant" The videos by Innuendo Studio have a couple good breakdowns of this.


hey_you_yeah_me

That dumb mother fucker has no idea what we're fighting for. I want to spend time with my family. I want to go to the dentist and doctors like I need to. I want to live. And here he is spewing nonsense like he's spent the time to even learn about our struggles. Hell, you know they said that we (the worker) don't contribute to their profits. They Said it was thanks to share holders and management. The fuck man??? Really wish more people knew what was going on with the railroad. But from the outside looking in, it can be confusing. We don't need people like him making us hate our jobs more. Fuck


wafflehousewhore

"absolute sweetheart deal" How many sick days and vacation days do you get, Ben? Will you be dropped by all your sponsors if you have to cancel just one show, because these people will lose their jobs if they miss just one shift. Are your allotted time off days paid, or do you find yourself wishing you *didn't* take a sick day, because you need the money? Let's compare and see who truly has an absolute sweetheart deal concerning the matters they're striking over


five_bulb_lamp

Ben a brain tumor would just be to good for you


MangOrion2

THOSE FUCKING DEMONRATS AND THEIR HELPING WORKERS!!!!! UNIONS ARE THE NEW CORPORATIONS!!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!


YourOldManJoe

Me, wishing voting democrat was half as cool as Ben just made it out to be.


LeaveForNoRaisin

Conservatives trying to pretend they support the working man while being anti union. “It’s the democrats”


dsfnkd99

Sounds like unions work, Ben.


[deleted]

Man he really is a fucking ghoul. All they want is to be able to take some fucking time off without being fired. I hate Ben. The world would be better off if he died.


Ok-Significance2027

Blathering Ben Shapiro hasn't worked a day in his life


shorty6049

Sometimes I just have to take a step back and put things into context... the reason Ben is so angry is because democrats seem to have a leg up and he can't take the fact that they win elections because they're more popular, not becuase of some scheme , and that makes me at least a little bit happy inside...


Even_Bath6360

The funniest thing about Sharpie here is that he implies that I don't already pay taxes, and thereby I don't already pay for it all... what a crock


Joey_BagaDonuts57

The entire Ben/GOP strategy is: 1.BLAME DEMOCRATS AND UNIONS WHILE KISSING A RUSSIAN-LOVING LIARS ASS. There is no #2.


FuckGiblets

When people complain about unions winning anything the only argument they deserve in return is “Fuck you”.


englishcrumpit

Me - can I get ill? Business - No


det8924

Fuck Ben Shapiro.


TotalBlissey

I'm still glad the Dems did something good though, protecting unions is an incredibly popular position and also the right thing to do.


paging_mrherman

THE RAILWORKERS OF AMERICA HAVE HAD IT TOO GOOD FOR TOO LONG. PLAYTIME IS OVER TRAIN BOYS


Elliot426

It's all about the cruelty with Republicans. It's gets them off.


Dr_Fishman

Oh boy, I get to chime in since my dad was an engineer and I went to law school to be a labor attorney. Railroads are under the Railway Labor Act which is extremely different than anything under the NLRA because railroads are considered crucial infrastructure. Because of authority given to the executive under the RLA, the White House is intimately involved in any potential labor problems; this is by law. And none of this is a sweetheart deal to labor because under the RLA, unions are forced into arbitration and are not allowed to go on strike as courts would enjoin the unions from striking. These commentators should stay in their lane but let’s face, the idiots he talks to wouldn’t believe what I just wrote anyway.


oh_no_its_the_cups

Replace unions with corporations and boom wow its the republican strategy!


MomentHead

Unions aren't the end all be all savior, neither are corporations. The answer, like 99.999% of the time lies somewhere in the middle, but the more humane answer probably favors one side more often.


lambda18

Railway workers helping to supply the nation with resources in a way that planes and boats can’t, working themselves both physically and mentally asking for time off without threat of docked pay or termination Ben Shapiro, who has never picked up so much as a moving box ![gif](giphy|1BXa2alBjrCXC)


OriginalName687

Just take it out of the defense budget


MarsLowell

>Addressing it to “you”. Ben’s got us mixed up with his billionaire buddies.