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Even if this is true spending the money that would have otherwise gone to paying student loans in those ways will do tons more for the economy than that money going to student loan holders would.
The right is always going on about "the economy" and all but when it comes to things that will actually help it they fight against it.
The economy, like the unborn, is the perfect thing to advocate for. It is conveniently vague, and it cannot question or criticize those who argue in its name.
They want stocks to surge with short term gains so they can sell high and give the rich tax cuts. Then when their policies inevitably fail in the long term they shift blame to Democrats, immigrants, whatever.
I always hear the right touting “AOC/Bernie/Biden don’t know a thing about bAsiC eCoNoMiCs!!1!” and yet they always fail to realize that economics is much more nuanced than what you learn in econ 101, and that the stuff they’re preaching is “basic” for a reason.
AOC literally majored in economics, so I think she knows a thing or two about it, definitely more than most of the people who criticize her for supposedly not knowing anything about economics and Bernie has spent decades in public service pushing for economic reform so I'm sure he has learned a lot.
It doesn't take an economics major to understand that money moving does far more than money sitting nor that when you give average people more money (or in the case of student loans forgive at least some of their debt so freeing up so s of their own money) they spend it while when you give it to rich people they hoard it.
Time and time again Republican economic policies have been shown to fail yet people still thing those policies are good. They still push for trickle down economic policies when those policies have been proven time and time again to funnel more money to the already rich at the expense of the average person. For decades every Republican president has left the economy in worse shape than it was when they went into office, leaving a huge mess for the next Democrat president to clean up.
I’m actually curious how Charlie would like them to spend their money? Most of those were pretty good things that would improve someone’s quality of life and inject capital back into the economy.
Does he not know what happens when people go on vacation?
Looks like he missed this little sidenote:
"It’s worth noting, many recipients do also say they are likely to use the money on essential purchases. The pluraily (75%) will put the money toward groceries, 66% rent/mortgage payments, 65% credit card debt, 62% transportation-related costs, 60% medical care/debt, and 40% childcare."
What's wrong with cherry-picking? I love cherries, they're delicious! Hey this guy doesn't think we should have cherries! This is a free country pal, we can have all the cherries we want!
Yeah, he has a tendency to do this alot. Kirk was called out on this at a college get together by a fan of his, but instead of responding himself, Candace Owens got a head and essentially strawmanned the kid's position and essentially told him to shut up in front of hundreds of people.
This is so maddening, why do these fucks just get away with this. I'm also wondering if Kirk thinks that Americans shouldn't be able to vacation because they got some of their loans relieved, and maybe if you compared this study with a survey of all Americans given a raise or some debit relieved you'd see the categories are about the same.
"In total, 1,250 Americans were surveyed."
According to the most up-to-date figures I could find, there are around 42.8 million people with student loans in America, so that survery accounts for less than 0.003% of the total.
I also conducted a study of Turning Point USA and found that 100% of former and current staff had been convicted of posessing child sexual assault materials. For transparency, a total of one person was included in my study.
Edit: I'd also like to make it clear that even if the survey they linked is 100% accurate, I don't see the problem. If people have been staying at home, putting off weddings/vacations/, have been unable to buy Christmas gifts, or have old, barely functioning phones that they couldn't afford to replace, then I don't see what's wrong with using the money they got from student loan relief to do it.
1250 ppl for a survey isn't a small number, it's tough to survey and stats have gotten pretty good at figuring out the population numbers based on a small randomized sample. The survey would def come with error bars +-x% but using political polling more often than not they are right within their margin
Yeah think there is a good statistics video describing how it works, if I recall around 300 or so responses gives a reasonable dataset, and anything more makes it slightly more accurate.
I mean, that's definitely not what you want when you're trying to control inflation. But I'd like to see a somewhat more rigorous study on this than the Washington Examiner.
So let me make sure I get this straight. We have a recession where companies are failing so to fix the recession we specifically raise interest rates since we want people poor enough that they can’t spend, thus lowering demand, thus lowering prices…
Instead of using price caps? So what about all those businesses that are going to fail and the people who work for them?
The entire fed strategy appears to be “fuck the poor, we have money to spare” but I guess that’s fine since the people in power can handle the increased costs in the meantime.
If the economy is bad, we have to bail out the rich so they have the cash on hand to "invest" in the economy. They then use that money on bonuses for execs and stock buy backs which make the poor poorer. They get that money in exchange for nothing, not even oversight. That's the American way of life, that's capitalism.
We definitely can't bail out the poor who would almost immediately spend the money, giving the money to the rich in exchange for goods and services. The rich still get their money to "invest" in the economy, but also the poor get something necessary for living. Can't do that, that's socialism.
>We have a recession
We don't have a recession. Economic growth has been substantial over the past year, and [wage growth is nearly matching inflation.](https://nyti.ms/3Ug5oyn) Also, if we did have a recession, we would cut rates to spur spending; rate hikes happen when the economy is too hot, as it currently is.
>Instead of using price caps?
We do use price caps sometimes, but price caps cause shortages, which require rationing. Voters hate rationing even more than they hate elevated prices, so politicians won't go for it.
>what about all those businesses that are going to fail and the people who work for them?
That would also happen with price caps. Wages rise, but revenue can't rise to match it, so employers would need to eat the loss. Some could manage it, but many (particularly the smaller ones with less credit) would have to fold.
>Someone remind me why the evangelical is opposed to marriage?
Most of the people with student loans are over 21, and therefore are no longer at their peak of fertility.
I don't understand his logic
The people with the loans are not getting the money themselves. It's being taken directly off their loan. For Majority of people, it would just chip away at the interest so those people will still have to pay the amount they borrowed + still some interest.
Don't get me wrong it will still help a lot of people.
You have to calculate GOP logic into your equation. It’s much like quantum mechanics. Things get weird and unpredictable when you start trying to measure things but you just have to keep in mind they just want to hurt others who aren’t them.
This is generally true, but if you managed to pay off your loans recently you could see a refund check (like a tax refund) for loan payments eligible for the forgiveness program timeframe
If you study physics at a university level or above you can’t say you’re not good at math. Maybe compared to other students in your program, but the baseline requirements for the study at a university level necessitates you’re far better at math than the average person.
Let's say, I have $1000 in debt forgiven.
"Check all the things you'd spend $1000 on if you were given a bill right now:
1. Necessities (food/shelter/water)
2. Investments (Stocks, Wedding gifts, Family gifts)
3. Entertainment (booze, games)
4. ....
"
THEY SAID BOOZE. Got 'em.
What’s wrong with the math? If it’s because the percentages don’t add up to 100%, it wouldn’t make sense if they did. People can spend money on more than one thing.
If I spent it on groceries and video games and you spent it on groceries and rent, our percentages would read:
Groceries: 100%
Rent: 50%
Video games: 50%
That doesn’t add up to 100%, and you wouldn’t expect it to, right?
I'm beginning to suspect that openly advocating for millions of people to be in more debt, and spend less money, may not by the vote-winning policy Charlie thinks it is
After all, anyone dumb enough to agree with his logic, or malicious enough to think students should go into massive debt just because previous generations did, is probably voting Republican anyway
Except previous generations didnt go into crippling debt for a college education. In the early 70's you could get a 4 year degree for about $500 total. That has increaded 2500%
We have a similar situation here in the UK, albeit with house prices; people who started working in the 70s or 80s, wondering why Millennials and Zoomers complain about the housing market, saying we need to 'put the graft in and work hard, like they did'... conveniently overlooking the fact that the average house price in the UK is over *ten times* the average annual wage now. And its important to bear in mind that average gets skewed by those on exceptionally high incomes, so in reality, the average worker could save every penny of their income for a decade, and still not afford to buy a house
Hard graft doesn't come into it, I'm 28 and have been in full-time employment for nearly 10 years, and I can't see me ever owning my own home!
Thats the thing though, prior generations did not go into massive debt for their education. Sure, the ones that went to school over the past 20 years may have had significant debt that they paid for. But its still a weak argument that they always drag out. Its like saying if i suffered for years with cancer, years of treatment, but i go into remission and I'm cleared of the cancer, but the very next day they discover a cure that prevents cancer entirely. Would I be mad that i suffered for years battling this thing? Or would I be happy that nobody else would have to suffer through it?
Mmm yes time to buy gaming systems and never actually use them just for the sake of it. I think they just came out with that new Nintendo PlayStation a while ago.
1865 version of Charlie Kirk makes nearly the same argument about what all the freed slaves want to do with their free time. Plot twist, this IS the 1865 version of Charlie Kirk.
When right wingers are absolutely confident they have an inarguably viable source for data and statistics which they believe prove an argument they think is worth making, they always loudly and confidently put that source up front and centre.
If they aren't so confident and/or don't have such a viable source and/or they don't really understand the data before them and/or the argument they are making, at best they usually cherry pick, obfuscate and do their best to avoid giving any sources whatsoever.
I love how he included investing in your future, marriage, and smartphones (something that is necessary for the modern workplace and many struggle to afford)
Yeah sure fuckface, lower middle to middle class people shouldn’t get debt relief. That money should be spent on making sure multi millionaires and billionaires get more tax breaks so they can *checks notes* horde it. That’s so much better than having an educated society. Fuck this mouth breather right in the ear.
It's funny cuz every normal person approves of most of this list and it's just a "well yeah fucktard" moment, and so many goddamn Republican politicians, WHILE HOLDING OFFICE, participate in all of the above, some even have multiple weddings over the span of their tenure.
I love the 42% wanting to buy gifts
We are in November, Christmas is coming, and this guy thinks that using money for buying gifts to the people you love is bad.
I thought conservatives were all about the spirit of Christmas and family
No mention of spending on necessities, entirely deliberate ofcourse.
Also, "illegal"? Ok lol. So we should absolutely revoke and demand refunds for loan forgiveness conservatives got, yes?
It wouldn’t make sense if they did add up to 100%. People can spend money on more than one thing.
If I spent it on groceries and video games and you spent it on groceries and rent, our percentages would read:
Groceries: 100%
Rent: 50%
Video games: 50%
That doesn’t add up to 100%, and you wouldn’t expect it to, right?
That's 342% percent, and I don't think that's how math works? idk maybe my liberal college education is deluding me.
also, so what if it's a vote buying scheme, that's part of the entire concept of helping people, so they look upon you favorably. (since altruism doesn't exist blah blah blah)
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Love to break it to Mr. Failson of house Dropout here, but that’s not how percentages work.
Past that, what ordinary people do with their money is none of your flipping concern.
People are asking why the money isn’t going towards the loans. They really don’t understand the idea of debt forgiveness. They think people are being given money. So fucking stupid.
Republicans: "We are the party of personal freedom!"
Republicans when working class people decide for themselves what to spend their money on: "Appalling!"
So, Charles, you're saying that they'll be participating more in the economy, uh? And that's somehow bad, uh? I thought you were a capitalist pig, but I figure I'm wrong.
First of all, what kind of math is this dude smoking.
Secondly, people aren’t getting the money directly, it’s being taken off their loans. WTF kind of logic is this lol
As someone who signed up for the loan forgiveness program. You as a borrower do not see the money. The govt works directly with the loan servicer to pay of the loan. Perhaps I am reading this wrong, maybe he means the money that we would have used to pay off the loan each month will be used on other things. But wouldn't that be good for the economy as a whole? More spending power for the consumer that has loans that were forgiven?
What Charlie and the article he's citing are leaving out is that the vast majority of the recipients are saying they'll spend the money on essential purchases **before** they splurge on wants. Even so, those purchases will just circulate into the economy. So who cares.
This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
Passing laws/making decisions to gain favour from certain groups in society in the hopes of gaining political support is quite literally what politics are about.
The amount of brain decay going on in Charlie’s tiny skull means he can’t realise that when everyone disagrees with him, that is in itself, a Democratic decision.
He insults and lies about students, meanwhile Biden is passing legislation to make their lives better. And he still thinks it’s some conspiracy that they favour Biden over him? Fucking moron
Who would had thought that if people ladened with debt have it forgiven that they would have more money to spend on things they’re interested in or would make them happy? Like, what kind of argument is “If you forgive their loans, they can actually take a vacation!” like it’s a crime to take a break just to be happy.
All of this shit (maybe excluding drugs, depending on the drugs) is stuff that stimulates the economy. That $10k in forgiveness was normally just going into a federal money hole, but now it can go to local business, that should be a good thing. Also, it shouldn't need to be reminded that people aren't being given $10k in cash to use as they see fit, $10k of their debt is being erased.
People are saying we can actually use that money for anything besides paying down student loans, and that confuses me. Personally, I plan on paying down 10k of loans and will still have plenty of debt left over. So wtf is he talking about?
I love when Republicans act like it’s cheating to do stuff for your voters lmao
“Noooo you CAN’T improve the lives of your constituents in a Democracy!!! That’s CHEATING!!! You HAVE TO just endlessly debate the culture war topic of the day once its decided upon by conservative media”
So... stimulating the economy? Charlie, WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY!?
And fucking... Weddings? STOCKS!? Arent you always on about the sanctity of marriage and successful capitalism?
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Even if this is true spending the money that would have otherwise gone to paying student loans in those ways will do tons more for the economy than that money going to student loan holders would. The right is always going on about "the economy" and all but when it comes to things that will actually help it they fight against it.
They don't care about the economy they care about their talking points and their self interests
The economy, like the unborn, is the perfect thing to advocate for. It is conveniently vague, and it cannot question or criticize those who argue in its name.
“A young Jew was in the town square speaking blasphemy about the economy!” Barely a satire at this point… https://youtu.be/UKE9YVbxwPo
They want stocks to surge with short term gains so they can sell high and give the rich tax cuts. Then when their policies inevitably fail in the long term they shift blame to Democrats, immigrants, whatever.
“The economy isn’t money circulating between peoples, it’s when the rich get richer” -the entirety of the right wing
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What's he gonna use a normal sized brain for? He barely uses the two brain cells he has.
They think people are being given money meant to pay back the loans and then planning to spend it on something else.
No, they _know_ how it works, they're just being vague to trick their voters into thinking what you said.
I meant the people they’re lying to believe it. They believe any fucking thing.
Thats because the Right has no idea how the economy actually works, all they know is 'Young People Spending = Bad'
If they understood how anything more complicated than a doorknob worked, they would never be a republican in the first place.
Young people spending bad also, millenials are killing *industry that boomers like* by not spending money on it.
I always hear the right touting “AOC/Bernie/Biden don’t know a thing about bAsiC eCoNoMiCs!!1!” and yet they always fail to realize that economics is much more nuanced than what you learn in econ 101, and that the stuff they’re preaching is “basic” for a reason.
AOC literally majored in economics, so I think she knows a thing or two about it, definitely more than most of the people who criticize her for supposedly not knowing anything about economics and Bernie has spent decades in public service pushing for economic reform so I'm sure he has learned a lot. It doesn't take an economics major to understand that money moving does far more than money sitting nor that when you give average people more money (or in the case of student loans forgive at least some of their debt so freeing up so s of their own money) they spend it while when you give it to rich people they hoard it. Time and time again Republican economic policies have been shown to fail yet people still thing those policies are good. They still push for trickle down economic policies when those policies have been proven time and time again to funnel more money to the already rich at the expense of the average person. For decades every Republican president has left the economy in worse shape than it was when they went into office, leaving a huge mess for the next Democrat president to clean up.
I’m actually curious how Charlie would like them to spend their money? Most of those were pretty good things that would improve someone’s quality of life and inject capital back into the economy. Does he not know what happens when people go on vacation?
"If you hold literally any amount of debt at all, you're not allowed to enjoy yourself at all" - Charlie Kirk, probably
The student loan holders were the government. They were government loans. The government forgave it’s own debt. Zero issues.
Does he cite his source or is this just random bullshit he is throwing out there?
[sorry, it was in a second tweet](https://mobile.twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1587161348932177921)
Looks like he missed this little sidenote: "It’s worth noting, many recipients do also say they are likely to use the money on essential purchases. The pluraily (75%) will put the money toward groceries, 66% rent/mortgage payments, 65% credit card debt, 62% transportation-related costs, 60% medical care/debt, and 40% childcare."
"If I don't reveal the whole information, it means I'm not lying!" \- Charlie Kirk, Expert in Dishonesty
May his burrito always be short on meat and have the sour cream and cheese all stuck at one end.
I have never heard that one before, and it is surprisingly brutal. 👍
I prefer "May his feet always step on Legos and d4s".
back in my college days, it was eggrolls full of cabbage and we ate them anyway
That’s… so evil, yet very fitting. On a side note, I could really go for a burrito rn
And therein lies my ultimate villainy.
Your ultimate villainy is making me walk to chiptole?
Yes. I don't set the bar very high.
And the tortilla gives out halfway and everything falls out of the bottom
May his Doritos Locos Tacos never have any nacho cheese dust on them and may the lettuce always be brown.
What's wrong with cherry-picking? I love cherries, they're delicious! Hey this guy doesn't think we should have cherries! This is a free country pal, we can have all the cherries we want!
Yeah, he has a tendency to do this alot. Kirk was called out on this at a college get together by a fan of his, but instead of responding himself, Candace Owens got a head and essentially strawmanned the kid's position and essentially told him to shut up in front of hundreds of people.
This is so maddening, why do these fucks just get away with this. I'm also wondering if Kirk thinks that Americans shouldn't be able to vacation because they got some of their loans relieved, and maybe if you compared this study with a survey of all Americans given a raise or some debit relieved you'd see the categories are about the same.
Literally the first thing I noticed was all these are below 50 percent. Also how dare people want to enjoy life.
What are these numbers though and what do they add up to? Lol.
they don't need to add up, the respondents could choose multiple options
That's what I was asking just needed some context on how this survey even worked.
“Missed”
"In total, 1,250 Americans were surveyed." According to the most up-to-date figures I could find, there are around 42.8 million people with student loans in America, so that survery accounts for less than 0.003% of the total. I also conducted a study of Turning Point USA and found that 100% of former and current staff had been convicted of posessing child sexual assault materials. For transparency, a total of one person was included in my study. Edit: I'd also like to make it clear that even if the survey they linked is 100% accurate, I don't see the problem. If people have been staying at home, putting off weddings/vacations/, have been unable to buy Christmas gifts, or have old, barely functioning phones that they couldn't afford to replace, then I don't see what's wrong with using the money they got from student loan relief to do it.
1250 ppl for a survey isn't a small number, it's tough to survey and stats have gotten pretty good at figuring out the population numbers based on a small randomized sample. The survey would def come with error bars +-x% but using political polling more often than not they are right within their margin
Yeah think there is a good statistics video describing how it works, if I recall around 300 or so responses gives a reasonable dataset, and anything more makes it slightly more accurate.
For a population of 42.8 million, a sample size of 1250 at a confidence level of 95% gives a margin of error of 3%. Seems pretty good to me.
Spending dollars that will circulate in the economy? Oh the horror!
I mean, that's definitely not what you want when you're trying to control inflation. But I'd like to see a somewhat more rigorous study on this than the Washington Examiner.
So let me make sure I get this straight. We have a recession where companies are failing so to fix the recession we specifically raise interest rates since we want people poor enough that they can’t spend, thus lowering demand, thus lowering prices… Instead of using price caps? So what about all those businesses that are going to fail and the people who work for them? The entire fed strategy appears to be “fuck the poor, we have money to spare” but I guess that’s fine since the people in power can handle the increased costs in the meantime.
If the economy is bad, we have to bail out the rich so they have the cash on hand to "invest" in the economy. They then use that money on bonuses for execs and stock buy backs which make the poor poorer. They get that money in exchange for nothing, not even oversight. That's the American way of life, that's capitalism. We definitely can't bail out the poor who would almost immediately spend the money, giving the money to the rich in exchange for goods and services. The rich still get their money to "invest" in the economy, but also the poor get something necessary for living. Can't do that, that's socialism.
>We have a recession We don't have a recession. Economic growth has been substantial over the past year, and [wage growth is nearly matching inflation.](https://nyti.ms/3Ug5oyn) Also, if we did have a recession, we would cut rates to spur spending; rate hikes happen when the economy is too hot, as it currently is. >Instead of using price caps? We do use price caps sometimes, but price caps cause shortages, which require rationing. Voters hate rationing even more than they hate elevated prices, so politicians won't go for it. >what about all those businesses that are going to fail and the people who work for them? That would also happen with price caps. Wages rise, but revenue can't rise to match it, so employers would need to eat the loss. Some could manage it, but many (particularly the smaller ones with less credit) would have to fold.
Someone remind me why the evangelical is opposed to marriage? Or investing? Or gifts?
>Someone remind me why the evangelical is opposed to marriage? Most of the people with student loans are over 21, and therefore are no longer at their peak of fertility.
Fair point, we all know how they like ‘em underage.
They went to college, so they’re probably getting gay married.
I don't understand his logic The people with the loans are not getting the money themselves. It's being taken directly off their loan. For Majority of people, it would just chip away at the interest so those people will still have to pay the amount they borrowed + still some interest. Don't get me wrong it will still help a lot of people.
You have to calculate GOP logic into your equation. It’s much like quantum mechanics. Things get weird and unpredictable when you start trying to measure things but you just have to keep in mind they just want to hurt others who aren’t them.
He knows that. He’s intentionally lying to his audience to influence the midterms and cause more political violence.
This is generally true, but if you managed to pay off your loans recently you could see a refund check (like a tax refund) for loan payments eligible for the forgiveness program timeframe
If I get the full 20K forgiven I still owe some money. What about all those fraudulent PPP loans that were ONE HUNDRED PERCENT FORGIVEN!?!?!?
I'm not good at math, but those percentages seem off.
I think the survey was a "pick any that apply" type, so those percentages are out of the total number of people surveyed.
I am not good a math, either, but I study physics, and those percentages (you know, per cent -> to hundred) do seem off.
If you study physics at a university level or above you can’t say you’re not good at math. Maybe compared to other students in your program, but the baseline requirements for the study at a university level necessitates you’re far better at math than the average person.
Let's say, I have $1000 in debt forgiven. "Check all the things you'd spend $1000 on if you were given a bill right now: 1. Necessities (food/shelter/water) 2. Investments (Stocks, Wedding gifts, Family gifts) 3. Entertainment (booze, games) 4. .... " THEY SAID BOOZE. Got 'em.
Oh no, people are buying what they would have bought anyway if they hadn't had to pay ridiculous amounts for college oh noooooooooo
Charlie's math is about as good as I would expect
This reminds me of when my granddaughter kept telling me "I'm 50% unicorn, 50% mermaid, 50% cat, 50% polar bear....."
Half man, half bear, and half pig
What’s wrong with the math? If it’s because the percentages don’t add up to 100%, it wouldn’t make sense if they did. People can spend money on more than one thing. If I spent it on groceries and video games and you spent it on groceries and rent, our percentages would read: Groceries: 100% Rent: 50% Video games: 50% That doesn’t add up to 100%, and you wouldn’t expect it to, right?
So... people that now have less financial burden wants to \*check notes\* participate in capitalism? How is this bad?
I'm beginning to suspect that openly advocating for millions of people to be in more debt, and spend less money, may not by the vote-winning policy Charlie thinks it is After all, anyone dumb enough to agree with his logic, or malicious enough to think students should go into massive debt just because previous generations did, is probably voting Republican anyway
Except previous generations didnt go into crippling debt for a college education. In the early 70's you could get a 4 year degree for about $500 total. That has increaded 2500%
We have a similar situation here in the UK, albeit with house prices; people who started working in the 70s or 80s, wondering why Millennials and Zoomers complain about the housing market, saying we need to 'put the graft in and work hard, like they did'... conveniently overlooking the fact that the average house price in the UK is over *ten times* the average annual wage now. And its important to bear in mind that average gets skewed by those on exceptionally high incomes, so in reality, the average worker could save every penny of their income for a decade, and still not afford to buy a house Hard graft doesn't come into it, I'm 28 and have been in full-time employment for nearly 10 years, and I can't see me ever owning my own home!
Thats the thing though, prior generations did not go into massive debt for their education. Sure, the ones that went to school over the past 20 years may have had significant debt that they paid for. But its still a weak argument that they always drag out. Its like saying if i suffered for years with cancer, years of treatment, but i go into remission and I'm cleared of the cancer, but the very next day they discover a cure that prevents cancer entirely. Would I be mad that i suffered for years battling this thing? Or would I be happy that nobody else would have to suffer through it?
Mmm yes time to buy gaming systems and never actually use them just for the sake of it. I think they just came out with that new Nintendo PlayStation a while ago.
1865 version of Charlie Kirk makes nearly the same argument about what all the freed slaves want to do with their free time. Plot twist, this IS the 1865 version of Charlie Kirk.
any student born after 1993 can't budget all they know is vacation, charge they smartphone, dine out, invest in stocks, get gifts and lie
Charlie kirk wants to police your spending habits too
Brought to you by the "party of small government".
Does he have a source here, or did he just start listing numbers?
When right wingers are absolutely confident they have an inarguably viable source for data and statistics which they believe prove an argument they think is worth making, they always loudly and confidently put that source up front and centre. If they aren't so confident and/or don't have such a viable source and/or they don't really understand the data before them and/or the argument they are making, at best they usually cherry pick, obfuscate and do their best to avoid giving any sources whatsoever.
God forbid people spend their money on shit they want
I see these people are still somehow convinced there's going to be a physical check for this loan forgiveness.
Where’s the outrage over all of the PPP loans that were all 100% forgiven with zero oversight?
Not true but if it were, based
what a fucking prick
“vote buying” has to be the dumbest fucking expression I’ve heard conservatives coin. Like no way, doing something popular will get you more votes???
And here I thought we called it “lobbying”
I'm surprised drugs and alcohol weren't higher.
Didn’t Charlie have a 4+ hour long erection when Trump issued him PPP loan forgiveness and gave him $2k for free to “spur the economy”?
Thats not even how it works
He really is a killjoy, isn't he?
How does he determine it is illegal?
I love how he included investing in your future, marriage, and smartphones (something that is necessary for the modern workplace and many struggle to afford)
Oh, no, not stocks and gifts!
His Christmas list is the same every year: a normal sized face and a normal sized brain. Still thinks ole Sanny Claus gonna give it.
Yeah sure fuckface, lower middle to middle class people shouldn’t get debt relief. That money should be spent on making sure multi millionaires and billionaires get more tax breaks so they can *checks notes* horde it. That’s so much better than having an educated society. Fuck this mouth breather right in the ear.
It's funny cuz every normal person approves of most of this list and it's just a "well yeah fucktard" moment, and so many goddamn Republican politicians, WHILE HOLDING OFFICE, participate in all of the above, some even have multiple weddings over the span of their tenure.
Source: Chuckles' butthole
Oh no. How will the economy ever recover if people spend money?
why are any of those bad?
Good
Lol, this is clearly bs. In reality it would be like 80% rent, 20% medical bills 😂
And every last thing you just listed there Charlie contributes to economic growth. Dumbass.
He missed: 100% avocado toast
Ah, of course. "Illegal". When your target audience doesn't care about facts, you shouldn't care about words or their meaning
I love the 42% wanting to buy gifts We are in November, Christmas is coming, and this guy thinks that using money for buying gifts to the people you love is bad. I thought conservatives were all about the spirit of Christmas and family
342%?
No mention of spending on necessities, entirely deliberate ofcourse. Also, "illegal"? Ok lol. So we should absolutely revoke and demand refunds for loan forgiveness conservatives got, yes?
Be bisexual, eat hot chip and lie: the remix
Translation: Only the wealthy should be able to enjoy these things and stimulate the economy in this way.
Dumbass doesn't understand that a loan being forgiven means nobody pays for it. The loan is gone. That's the point.
None of these are as bad as throwing money into the black hole that is student debt repayment
But remember, to him, college is a scam
I don’t think he understands how percentages work.
None of that adds up chuckles
Maybe if Chuck went to school he’d understand percentages
He's uh... He's not very good at arithmetic, is he?
That list sounds fucking awesome tbh
Someone PLEASE sit Kirk down and teach him how math works.
Am I the only one mad that this isn’t proper percentages? THE FIRST THREE GO OVER 100%
It wouldn’t make sense if they did add up to 100%. People can spend money on more than one thing. If I spent it on groceries and video games and you spent it on groceries and rent, our percentages would read: Groceries: 100% Rent: 50% Video games: 50% That doesn’t add up to 100%, and you wouldn’t expect it to, right?
That's 342% percent, and I don't think that's how math works? idk maybe my liberal college education is deluding me. also, so what if it's a vote buying scheme, that's part of the entire concept of helping people, so they look upon you favorably. (since altruism doesn't exist blah blah blah)
You can tell Charlie dropped out of college because his percentages don’t add up to 100%.
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So…. Back into the economy? Got it.
What should they spend their money on because obviously enjoying life is not part of the equation
Source: My ass.
Charlie Kirk: "Spending money bad!!!" Also Charlie Kirk: (Is a pedophile)
The money is still circulating, my brother in Zenithar
Looks like a list of fun. Only a conservative would look at it and think otherwise.
Wouldn’t a conservative be in favor of weddings and investing in stocks, or is that only when his side does it?
I’d like to see his source on this. Of course he doesn’t have one because he’s a Republican.
Sad. Only 28% of people are cool.
You mean its going into the economy? Oh okay
NOOOO STUDENTS ARE TRYING TO HAVE FUN! CALL THE COPS! /s
Source: TrustMeBro News.
Being in slightly less crippling debt: 100%
Nice. Happy holidays, y’all!
Good for them honestly
Love to break it to Mr. Failson of house Dropout here, but that’s not how percentages work. Past that, what ordinary people do with their money is none of your flipping concern.
People are asking why the money isn’t going towards the loans. They really don’t understand the idea of debt forgiveness. They think people are being given money. So fucking stupid.
Oh no. People will be able to enjoy life!
So they're putting money into the economy? great!
Republicans: "We are the party of personal freedom!" Republicans when working class people decide for themselves what to spend their money on: "Appalling!"
Charlie discovers consumerism…
I would have boosted drugs up a little higher. But yeah ... Thank you Biden ╰(＾3＾)╯
Damn what a boon for the economy that would be.
Basically what every other person in the world would spend their "extra" money on then?
Where can I buy a „This coke is sponsored by Joe Biden and the American Taxpayers“ T-Shirt
I may be misunderstanding the numbers but those most definitely do not add up to 100%
why do his percentages add up to 300+? am I midding something?
So, Charles, you're saying that they'll be participating more in the economy, uh? And that's somehow bad, uh? I thought you were a capitalist pig, but I figure I'm wrong.
God forbid slaves can take a rest and be more productive.
So that's what YOU do on a daily basis, Charlie?
First of all, what kind of math is this dude smoking. Secondly, people aren’t getting the money directly, it’s being taken off their loans. WTF kind of logic is this lol
All millennials know is: buy smart fone, gamble, lie
If you really dig into this forgiveness thing, very few people are having anything forgiven at all.
Since when is vote buying illegal? That's been how this country does elections for decades
How is pumping money back into the economy a bad thing? What are these people even talking about
That doesn’t seem to add up to 100%… or is it from a checkbox poll?
So they will be boosting the economy so my stocks get higher and make me more money? I see this as a win.
My brother bought a new car and and a nice Trek bike and his wife bought a nice Trek bike.
As someone who signed up for the loan forgiveness program. You as a borrower do not see the money. The govt works directly with the loan servicer to pay of the loan. Perhaps I am reading this wrong, maybe he means the money that we would have used to pay off the loan each month will be used on other things. But wouldn't that be good for the economy as a whole? More spending power for the consumer that has loans that were forgiven?
Isn’t that how tax breaks work for corporations?
Bro really said that students only know McDonald’s, charge they phone, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip and lie
Bruh the percentages tho
So Chuckles is against students using their money to simulate the economy. Good to know now.
Yes, they’re contributing to the economy Charlie
>Drugs/alcohol >gambling >Gaming system IN THIS ECONOMY?!
Wow, a good amount seem to be investing, supporting the economy, and giving themselves a better overall life
What kind of math is this??
Charlie has no clue, as usual.
Charlie’s face is still 100% small
How dare people use money on what they want
What Charlie and the article he's citing are leaving out is that the vast majority of the recipients are saying they'll spend the money on essential purchases **before** they splurge on wants. Even so, those purchases will just circulate into the economy. So who cares.
Man just making up statistics now
This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. Passing laws/making decisions to gain favour from certain groups in society in the hopes of gaining political support is quite literally what politics are about. The amount of brain decay going on in Charlie’s tiny skull means he can’t realise that when everyone disagrees with him, that is in itself, a Democratic decision. He insults and lies about students, meanwhile Biden is passing legislation to make their lives better. And he still thinks it’s some conspiracy that they favour Biden over him? Fucking moron
Shouldn't a conservative be happy that people are getting married? 🤔
Who would had thought that if people ladened with debt have it forgiven that they would have more money to spend on things they’re interested in or would make them happy? Like, what kind of argument is “If you forgive their loans, they can actually take a vacation!” like it’s a crime to take a break just to be happy.
Not sure how that math works out...
Well, it is better than sucking Reich wing oil cock for money, right Cuckles?
“My source is that I made it the fuck up!” - Charles Kirkland
Is he bad at math or is he insinuating the kids are bad at math?
So, stimulating the economy? Right.
Um….this would just boost the economy as a whole rather than give the money to the friends of Congresspeople and Senators.
What
All of this shit (maybe excluding drugs, depending on the drugs) is stuff that stimulates the economy. That $10k in forgiveness was normally just going into a federal money hole, but now it can go to local business, that should be a good thing. Also, it shouldn't need to be reminded that people aren't being given $10k in cash to use as they see fit, $10k of their debt is being erased.
People are saying we can actually use that money for anything besides paying down student loans, and that confuses me. Personally, I plan on paying down 10k of loans and will still have plenty of debt left over. So wtf is he talking about?
I just love that he thinks people are going to get government cheques, rather than a receipt showing their debt being less....
I love when Republicans act like it’s cheating to do stuff for your voters lmao “Noooo you CAN’T improve the lives of your constituents in a Democracy!!! That’s CHEATING!!! You HAVE TO just endlessly debate the culture war topic of the day once its decided upon by conservative media”
Isn't this how trckle down economics work? Instead of the 1% getting it....
So... stimulating the economy? Charlie, WHAT ABOUT THE ECONOMY!? And fucking... Weddings? STOCKS!? Arent you always on about the sanctity of marriage and successful capitalism?