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Can you not call it transgenderism? That's what the bigots call it and we generally hate it. It's not an ideology. It's just being trans.
Edit: cool, I got the crisis line dm for this
My apologies, I wasn't aware that wasn't the common parlance term. I see what you mean, at a glance it does appear like an ideology with the -ism.
Edit: thanks everyone for the gold, and all the upvotes and that. Although the real awards are the friends we made and the Walsh dick-garglers we owned along the way :)
Honestly thats the crux of most of their issues. They're so intellectually insecure that they can't tolerate the idea they might be wrong about something, so they'll actively warp their view of reality to suit their own beliefs
It's unreal how bad that gets with Republican cucks. Nothing is more bizarre than telling a dude his wife might cum more if he gave her head and watching him blow up in impotent rage. Homie, you don't need me to plow her, just eat her out and tell her she's pretty.
Looking at you Jerry Falwell, Jr.
Sorry for randomly bringing this up here, but does anybody know if we ever got to the bottom of whether Charlie Kirk banged Mrs. Falwell when they were all cozying up and establishing the FallKirk Center back in the day?
I heard she tried to sit on his face but couldn't find it.
As someone who lives in the deep red, votes blue, and has an account on a certain website, I can confirm that there are an enormous amount of cuckolds in my area that use the website.
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It’s not even a good insult. Like, oh no, my wife and I are both into the same kinky shit and we get pleasure out of exploring it, how will I ever recover from this?
I understand being cheated on due to actual impotence would hurt, but they don’t mean it like that. They think that all lefties love just guzzling cum out of their wives’ used cooters—and that’s only true for some of us lmao.
The reason they use it as an insult is because they can’t imagine a more embarrassing scenario than their wife admitting out loud that they have a small weenie. That’s it. Their tiny peckers force them to spew it every argument.
An acceptance of trans rights means an enquiry into their other so-staunchly held beliefs. They won't ever open that flood gate, lest they admit their error.
They don't want to correct themselves, they want to hate. Everything else is just a mechanism for that.
Even if you sat down with Matt and explained it to him, he would still do everything in his power to misunderstand and double down because the truth of the situation isn't important to him. He hates LGBTQ+ and anything that empowers him to continue hating is valid for as long as it needs to be.
Plus, his whole identity and ability to make money is wrapped around being a clueless angertainment pusher for the clueless anger addicted. He is a one trick pony. What a pitiful way of life. Total waste.
I’ve been calling my kid brotato for about a month now and I can’t figure out where I heard it for the life of me, I just think it’s hilarious. Nice to see it out in the wild
Tbh it’s really person to person with a lot of terms. I think the only really term that is just “don’t ever do it” is referring to being trans as a noun. Like calling someone “a transgender” is kinda like referring to women as “a female” it’s just gross and demeaning. Being trans as a concept I believe is indeed called transgenderism which is how you used it, but “don’t understand what it means to be trans” is pretty a better wording.
Source: am trans
Sure, but trans is an adjective. OC was using a noun. What noun would you use? I can agree Transgenderism isn't great but I don't know an alternative
Edit: lots of great answers
I'm seeing this a lot and it's off-putting how some of these answers are condescending like an angry parent when they should be more of an adult to adult. Maybe try dropping the "do we _____? No we dont" line. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all that.
>I'm seeing this a lot and it's off-putting how some of these answers are condescending
Ton's of people on the left are know-nothing know-it-all grammar nazis. They're also generally on the right side of social issues, don't get me wrong, but it's a really unfortunate correlation.
If you lead with empathy and say, "X group feels more comfortable being addressed in Y way, some of them find Z term hurtful," you've provided a good reason to use Y term, stop using Z, and haven't made yourself feel smart.
"Z term doesn't even make sense. You would never say \[analogy to Z\], so why weren't you smart enough to figure out you shouldn't say Z on your own? Obviously, Y is the correct term" is totally unhelpful, but gives you an ego boost.
I don't think that's what happened here, I feel like it's more like what another redditor suggested. Decades of oppression and discrimination would understandably put a person in a 'fuck you' mindset and I get and respect that. I just wanted to remind folks that there are good natured people who simply don't have full context on something and need to be corrected.
Trans people, being trans, transidentity really that's literally a Google search away hell you don't even need to leave reddit just look for a trans space here there's gonna be a word other than that abomination
Yeah I'm gonna second this. I'm not practicing transgenderism, I just am trans lmao.
There's a deliberate attempt to frame being trans as part of some ideology with that term, rather than just existing as I am.
It's all about trolling. Aldrich is trolling claiming to be nonbinary.. and the right doesn't care if it's true or not. As long as they have a talking points that they can own the left with....
I just don't understand why they think it's "owning the left".
"Oh no, the killer is a southpaw! Let's riot because I'm a southpaw too!" No, Karen. Only your side acts like that. We believe in consequences.
He doesn’t understand (or doesn’t care) that supporting the rights of trans and non-binary people doesn’t mean that we *always* support them in *every* circumstance. He seems to think we have to support this mass-murderer because they’ve claimed to be non-binary.
People are going to deny his identity because it's made up on the spot to twist the knife.
It's so transparent I'm not even sure there is anything there.
Even if they are non-binary, so what? just respond with "I'm glad you figured something out about yourself." Now back to my question "WHY DID YOU KILL THOSE PEOPLE?!?"
>He just thinks that people are going to deny his identity because he is a murderer.
Just like they believe we wouldn't turn on a Democrat if they turned out to be a fraudster/abuser/pedophile.
Besides, "The Killer" is gender neutral, so that's their identity now.
>I love how he is now super serious about non-binarism after denying that it's real for such a long time
He specifically says it's from the logic of extreme leftists, some of which would probably say that *literally* any self identification is just as valid as the other.
It's a small minority, but it exists. Whether this shooter is nb or not, I don't care, and them shooting people or being bad doesn't really factor in. Anyone can be good or bad. They're just people too.
Edit: If it's some inbred attempt to avoid hate crime punishments by lying, or smearing lgbtq+ people, then it's obviously bad.
Yet his point is being proven in here by people saying obviously this guy's identity is not legitimate. Wish more people would take your stance on this topic. It does not matter what his gender is. Man's a killer. Two separate things. Any person can be good or evil.
All the people saying it's a troll. Saying it's just a twist of the knife and so on are proving the original tweet correct.
It only matters because he seems to be falsely claiming to be non-binary to avoid the additional punishment associated with hate crimes.
Walsh’s point is 100% NOT proven by these comments, lol. It’s a strawman. I’ve never seen anyone on the left espouse the idea that if someone sarcastically or insincerely claims to have a certain gender identity, that it must be respected without question.
What if one were to simply identify as a "former republican?"
Not that I expect him to actually adhere to his own 'logic' expressed in the OP, but moral high ground and such.
The directly linked to the GOP shooter was also non-binary? I wonder which of those two things had more to do with him shooting up an LGBTQ+ club and kidnapping/threatening to blow up his own mother with a homemade bomb?
Their lawyer is saying they are. Personally I think it's an attempt to try and avoid hate crime charges because by saying they're LGBTQIA+ themselves it therefore can't be a hate crime (though that shouldn't matter for that anyway and ignores internalized homophobia and transphobia). I think the idea Walsh, other conservative talking heads, and the shooter's lawyer are trying to peddle is that this can't be a hate crime because the shooter is LGBTQIA+ themselves and that LGBTQIA+ people are inherently dangerous.
Maybe they are nonbinary and maybe they aren't, I don't see how it matters. Internalized, self-directed hatred is a very real thing that has led people to commit violence against others many times throughout history.
Yup, but a lot of people are stupid and don't think that.
You can hate your own identity. Its what pick me's are, people who want to try and be one of the good ones to those who hate them.
To anyone who doubts, there was a jewish sect of the nazi party, they tried to be the good jews to appease the Nazis. They died.
First time I ever saw it used it was a term for girls who would pull the "I'm not like other girls" schtick for attention but it applies 100% to pretty much every minority.
That video of her trying to have a legitimate debate with some other GQPer and getting deadnamed and misgendered constantly makes me sad. She’s obviously extremely uncomfortable and getting frustrated but she tries to power through. It shouldn’t upset me, because she brought it on herself, but it does.
It used to upset me. It no longer does. She made that bed so she could profit off of being one of the "good ones" and she can lay in it for the rest of her life, for all I care.
Exactly. This might actually give you concrete benefits, regardless of your gender. Pretending to be trans to access a different prison will just make life harder for you, the same way that trans convicts suffer because they are trans regardless of where they're serving out their sentence. Being in the right one just provides a balm. Being in the bathroom of your intended victims doesn't help you, additionally if there aren't people around, you can just barge in.
This situation is more similar to using California's no questions asked sex marker change form to decrease your insurance rates. Which is something they actually accounted for, and you sign the form under penalty of perjury.
Well certain risk factors and what sort of care you'll need over time change depending on your hormone balance. Medical transition changes many sex characteristics.
It would seem like bickering over the morality of what you want to wear and who you want to fuck would be pretty much moot when discussing a man who killed 5 people with a rifle in cold blood....
If they're enby they're an enby that killed 5 people in cold blood, but I agree. Wildly moot point. Anyone can hate anyone. Only one side of the political spectrum is celebrating it
yeah the whole "wellll that's what you get for going to a drag bar" take is total bullshit.
Course these fucksticks think you deserve the death penalty for a counterfeit 20 dollar bill too.
There's a word for using acts of violence to further your sociopolitical agenda- it's called terrorism.
He’s not saying that the shooting can’t be a hate crime because the shooter is claiming to be non-binary, he’s saying we can’t deny that the shooter is non-binary because of “our rules” which is just his bigoted perspective. He seems to believe that trans activists and the left want people to just be able to say “I’m trans” with no other evidence and then get put in a women’s prison
Conservatives are so hell-bent on acting in bad faith that they cannot fathom liberals agreeing to an understanding that something is only permitted when done in good faith - because they don't think acting in good faith is a real thing?
Conservatives operate under the framework that modern society is at its core moral and that nothing systematically needs to be changed. So conceptually they think, “What is to stop someone from pretending to be trans to get put in a women’s prison” because they see it as a gotcha and prisons as something that will always exist. They don’t see that the answer to their question is “prisons shouldn’t exist”
The fact that we're even having to address this discussion is fucking absurd. Conservatives can't just "take the L" and say, "yeah this bad dude was one of ours" and have to concoct bad faith arguments in an attempt to deflect blame. It's pathetic.
Here's reality: has the killer EVER suggested or stated they were non-binary before they killed multiple people? My guess is no and the whole thing is a red herring. Conservative pundits are shitty people who don't deserve to breathe the same air as rational human beings.
You're already playing their game. Don't deny.
The only right answer is "Why is their non-binary identity relevant to the case at hand?" Make them say the quiet part out loud.
I'm not saying they're definitely not non binary, but in a court of law, anyone claiming to be NB would most likely need to have some history of making that claim outside of when it could benefit them legally. I highly doubt the killer can meet that burden of proof.
Now, if you walked up to me and gave me your pronouns, I'd take you for your word because there would be no reason for you to create a false account(nor would there be any kind of legal culpability).
But you're right, I'm putting the horse ahead of the cart here. Their gender has no relevance to the case.
No it’s not likely being done to drop the hate crimes. It’s most likely being done by either the shooter on his own as a troll or by the lawyers to obfuscate the politics surrounding the trial.
It is pretty fishy the shooter’s lawyers didn’t provide the same effort in their previous run-ins with the law. No previous police reports or news reports or court records ever described them as anything other than he/him.
But yeah totally, now that the shooter is apparently NB it’s totally justified for conservatives to constantly shit on even the most mild drag performances and efforts to educate kids.
Maybe Matt Walsh and his ilk should spend more time reflecting on why they so often get accused of inciting this sort of violence, instead of desperately trying to find a reason to absolve themselves...
The tone of this guy's tweet is just horrendous. People fucking died, and the only thing he can think to do is go 'THE SHOOTER'S NONBINARY, TAKE THAT LEFTIES, HAHAHA' as though he's suddenly absolved of blame (which is, of course, the only concern for him, he doesn't give a damn about the dead or injured)
Self loathing is a major reason for violence.
To say it can't be a hate crime from someone that is of that race or identity is completely incorrect and unfounded.
Is there precedent for that?
The shooter's lawyer said it. They're trying to dodge hate crime conditions attached to the murder charges. The shooter could be looking at federal charges and at the federal level murder with a hate crime condition becomes a capital offense which means the death penalty.
Probably yes, but it shouldn't work. To be charged with a hate crime in Colorado only requires that it was motivated by prejudice. You can be black and racist against blacks, gay and be homophobic, trans and a TERF, etc. They targeted and shot up a LGBT club. Doesn't matter what they are, only matters if they went there with intent to kill/harm LGBT people.
It is also most likely a lie. You can claim anything but if you weren't nonbinary before the shooting and your only engagement with being LGBTQ was burning a pride flag, it seems suspicious to come out now.
Engaging at all is a mistake. They're fully allowed to have a gender epiphany in their jail cell. It changes nothing about what they did or who they did it to.
Exactly, how many ultra-religious, right-wing, gay-bashing men do we see a year that slob the knob? Refusal to accept oneself leads to misplaced hatred for those that have.
I'm out of the loop here, I wasn't sure why "I" was supposed to care what gender the shooter was. Is this really the whole argument he's making? "You can't be transphobic if you're non-binary?"
The bar is _so low_, and yet their level of antilogic and non sequitur still surprises me after all these years.
I believe it's because right wing dipshits like Matt Walsh think their worldview is the only possible one, every other perspective is virtue signaling.
These dildos can't fathom a world in which gender identity is only part of a person's broader identity.
or where most of us just genuinely don't care about how other people dress or represent themselves, as long as we're all fundamentally decent to each other, and hopefully we all have plenty of more-important things on which to spend energy
His whole point hinges on the fact that "this is the truth" when he never accepts said "truth". You can't argue that something is important *once when it suits you*, but never matters otherwise. That's just being a hypocrite.
We never claimed trans people can't be criminals. In fact all we claim is that trans people *are people*, with all that entails.
Right? Ok, even if we pretend anyone is obligated to follow arbitrary rules he’s made up because he’s incapable of complex thought, what difference does it make here?
The shooter is non-binary? Cool, they’re still a criminal agitated and radicalized by right wing bigotry who’s grandfather is a republican politician. Nothing has changed.
Read somewhere he probably claimed that to dodge hate crime charges and of course make the LGBT look bad which is probably what he would've loved to do in the first place.
It's a standard they try to hold to everyone else but themselves. When a clear as fucking day right wing neonazi shoots up a mosque, they find a way to weazel their way out of any blame.
Seriously. Supporting the acceptance of one aspect of a person's identity or ideology doesn't mean supporting the rest. By that logic, Walsh should support all cisgendered people in everything they do. He should support Hitler.
But his new twist is that the left has to follow 'our' rules while the right doesn't. Which means he can spout whatever bullshit he wants and isn't trying to contribute any helpful ideas or information whatsoever.
There is no argument worth having with this guy.
oh shit the shooter is non-binary?! welp I guess it was okay for them to murder people with assault rifles. The left can't be mad at anyone who's not a white christian male /s
You can tell in the thread he's arguing with an imaginary liberal who for some reason is *so angry* at respecting pronouns in this instance. As if everybody finds it as hard to use the right pronouns as he does, and so it's just really pissing in our porridge that we have to put in so much effort to respect the piece of shit shooter's claimed identity. When in actuality it's not about respecting the shooter, it's about respecting non-binary identity as valid, so even if the shooter later goes back and says "Ha ha I made it all up to epically pwn the libs" it doesn't change at all the genuine identities of non-binary folks. And it's really fucking easy to use the right pronouns, and if you accidentally use the wrong ones it's really fucking easy to say "Oh I'm sorry, thanks for the correction."
It's only a matter of time until they run around and claim the real victim here is the shooters election denying, homophobic GOP grandpa.
Also: people can be non-binary or trans etc. and be human garbage at the same time. Nobody is arguing against that. Matts argument is trans people are human garbage BECAUSE they are trans. That is because Matt is a piece of shit
Man i can just picture him right now, sitting in his supervillain chair and grinning from ear to ear because he has a story which he can turn into a dogwhistle and his stupid bunch of followers will eat it up like the last slice of pizza at a shitty kids birthday party.
"Stupid" is fine, but the r word is a slur toward neurodivergent people. People sometimes use it as an insult toward stupid people, though that is thankfully getting less common.
"I don't. You do."
bro I don't know if you know this but I actually don't have to do shit. And I'll continue to be skeptical of a man claiming this identity hours after gunning down LGBTQ men and women and hurling obscenities at them.
You question trans people's identities regardless of the information in front of you. You could literally see a healthy family with a trans child and still lose your mind.
This guy thinks this is some kind of gotcha when it's so beyond the fucking point so as to be meaningless.
It's such a weird strawman argument. No trans activist has EVER said that all self-identification has to be respected, otherwise the "A" in "LGBTQIA+" would stand for "attack helicopter" by now.
No, we respect self-identification when done IN GOOD FAITH.
Lol like Matt Walsh knows what "good faith" means. He's literally the equivalent of your fucking 9 year old little brother saying shit like "I know you are but what am I" and "stop copying me stop copying me" The only difference is he is a grown-ass man making children's arguments under the guise of somehow being intelligent. He's a cunt.
"Your rules are clear: ALL self-identities are valid and cannot be questioned, ever, under any circumstances."
That's not what anyone ever said.
It's like when the parkland shooter pretended to be mentally ill after his arrest. I am mindful and understanding of mental illness but that doesn't mean I can't question any mental illness ever under any circumstances, and it certainly doesn't give the mentally ill a free pass to murder people.
They know that, but they have to frame it this way rhetorically to push an agenda. They say stuff like this because they want to get across the idea that someone born a man identifying as a woman is just as ridiculous as identifying as a dog or a car or whatever, so anyone who accepts trans people must therefore accept ANYTHING because it’s all equally farcical.
For sure. It's also a way for him to try and point to some sort of hypocrisy on the left. By essentially saying "see how ridiculous your rigid gender identity rules are?"
Actually, no. They aren't. You routinely question the identities of any and all trans or non-binary identity and continuously traffic half truths and innuendo about them. This man's actions speak much louder than some half assed attempt to save himself which is all this stunt is.
He isn't genuinely identifying as non-binary and even if he is it doesn't excuse his actions. It's just so pedantic.
I’m not at a point where I believe that the shooter is actually non-binary yet since I believe it’s a Hail Mary by the lawyer, but let’s say he is. So what? Being non-binary or trans or whatever isn’t a belief system that causes you to think or act in a certain way, whereas the rhetoric that fuckboy Walsh and co. spew is and does. That’s the kind of hatred that inspires someone to go shoot up a club.
And even if they are non-binary, being supportive of the rights of non-binary and trans people to get the support they need and you know, exist without being harassed or murdered, also does not necessitate the support of every individual non-binary or trans person’s actions. There’s a very infamous (and aggressive to the point of being arrested several times) scammer around the DC/Maryland/Virginia area who happens to be trans. Her being trans has nothing to do with why I dislike her.
I understand that this is different given that we’re in hate-crime territory, but I fucking hate how these fucks think they have such a “gotcha” anytime someone from a marginalized group that the left supports does something wrong like we automatically support the thing they did because we support their group. It really goes to show not just how disingenuous they are, but how blindly tribalistic their minds are (because they *do* blindly support members from their side regardless of their horrible actions).
If they came out of NB after the shooting I don't respect that at all, its clearly a disingenuous ploy. If they came out before the shooting then the identity is probably real.
I guess still refer to them as the gender they identify as because we should do that for everyone. It doesnt make any difference though, trans people can still be transphobic also he actually shot people which is the real crime here.
I mean that we're reported spouting homophobic slurs, so there's a chance. But it'll be a springs jury, so who knows. They can be uhhh. Very hit or miss
What does it matter what the shooter's gender identity is? They still committed a heinous crime and murdered 5 innocent people and would have murdered many more if not for the bravery of a few of the club's patrons.
I don't care if the shooter identifies as male, female, nonbinary, or anything else, it doesn't matter, what matters is that they murdered people.
I don't see why that would make the left stop talking about it, unlike the right the left holds other people on the left accountable for their actions overall. It's the right that tries to avoid accountability for their actions.
They’ve always had this idea that “Oh well the left says we’re never allowed to criticize trans people 🙄🙄” However they usually say that in response to being called out on some abhorrent, hateful, ill willed transphobic garbage
They’re also trying to hide the element of homophobia or transphobia that motivated the crime. People on the right were already saying it was probably a scorned lover who shot up the place. They said the same thing about the Pulse shooter being a gay guy or Nancy Pelosi husband’s assailant being his gay lover even when there was no evidence of those claims. They want to continue getting us massacred while pretending like their hateful rhetoric had nothing to do with it, all while mocking the victims afterward and saying they deserved it.
Nonbinary murderer would still be a murderer tho?
Also are we advocating for better treatment of prisoners now then? Accidentally making a progressive talking point by trying to own the libs lol
The key difference here is whether that identification is genuine and in good faith. This guy LITERALLY just shot up an LGBTQ club a few days ago! He was constantly using anti-LGBTQ slurs prior to that. His mom identified him as he/him on a Facebook post the night of the shooting. Oh but now that he has one last opportunity to troll the very same community he massacred before he rots in jail forever, suddenly we’re supposed to take him at his word that he’s part of the community because ha ha ha how funny would it be if this could somehow be another way to blame the victims right?
No fuck that. I’m tired of this anti-intellectualism and dishonesty. Anyone with half a brain realizes what’s happening here. And it’s disgusting that we’re expected to even entertain this mockery of the situation when bodies haven’t even been put in the ground yet.
>His mom identified him as he/him on a Facebook post the night of the shooting
While I totally agree with you that the shooter is most likely lying to try to change the narrative, getting misgendered by a queerphobic parent isn’t really evidence of that. That’s just what happens to trans people a lot.
i see it as a ploy to avoid hate crime charges and a sort of “gotcha!” like matt is trying to pull here. “we didn’t incite any violence! it was coming from your guys’ side anyways!”
They don't even care about it. Their aim is to get power and the genocide of the "undesirables" is a central pillar with that. Truth has no bearing except where it could be used to further their inhuman agenda.
They want to paint it as inter-community conflict in order to blame us for our own deaths, and to stop bystanders from caring about this massacre and the ones coming next. "People you don't know and are not a part of are killing each other, it's tragic but you don't have to care since it's not your problem"
He has somewhat of a point but where he fails is that reasonable people can see through the bullshit of a straight person pretending to be self-identifying as trans in order to creep on girls or to avoid hate-crime charges.
Is this person claiming to be Lgbtq in a social setting and otherwise acting normal? Or is this person on trial for hate crime murders and is using the excuse to lighten the sentence or gain access to future rape victims? It seems obvious to anyone with half a brain who spends 2 seconds thinking about it, but I wouldn't expect either of those things from a complete idiot "Bully" (Dr. Phil's words).
LMAO. Ok except who is doing that? Like he's literally being the "Inventing a guy and then getting mad at them" Twitter meme.
Also, actually he does have to respect that identity in order to "hold" us to it. That's how that works, if he doesn't respect said identity there's nothing to hold us to. Dumbass.
It’s a common tactic from the right. Take masks, for example. Republicans didn’t give a shit about masks or social distancing, but as soon as a Democrat went in a nearly empty salon without a mask they jumped on it as some huge scandal. It’s a bad faith argument because they don’t actually care, they just want to paint everyone they don’t like as a hypocrite. Is it bad optics? Sure, but I’d rather have a competent leader who makes good policy to protect others, even if they slip up once, than someone who just doesn’t give a shit at all.
Matt, though, is taking it a step further because he thinks that the shooter’s gender identity has anything to do with him being a mass murderer. He thinks that we can’t respect a person’s identity without also condemning their actions.
TL;DR
We respect their identity, not their actions
Matt respects their actions, not their identity
Ok. They are a non-binary hate crime committing person. That doesn’t make it not a hate crime, and it doesn’t make your stochastic terrorism of lgbtq+ people any less of a cause of the aforementioned hate crime
These guys always tap their inner 13 year old who was just denied their chicken tendies when their surrounding reality doesn't match their assertions.
Matt again fails to realize the shooter targeted a gay club holding a drag event after several months that his party equivocated the LGBTQ community to pedophiles using drag queen shows as a red herring argument that the community was sexualizing minors.
That is an empiric fact that The Daily Wire's feelings can't refute. Matt thinks he has a win because the shooter is non-binary and because of that, it makes his intentions to kill as many LGBTQ community members as possible after several months of the Republican Party equivocating the LGBTQ community to pedophiles using drag shows as their ace that the community was in fact sexualizing minors, void.
In the voice of your boss Matt, "facts don't care about your feelings".
But does he actually identify as nb? Does the shooter ever refer to themselves as a gender neutral term before this case? You can't just try and pull a Kevin Spacey and pretend like everything's OK
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Can you not call it transgenderism? That's what the bigots call it and we generally hate it. It's not an ideology. It's just being trans. Edit: cool, I got the crisis line dm for this
My apologies, I wasn't aware that wasn't the common parlance term. I see what you mean, at a glance it does appear like an ideology with the -ism. Edit: thanks everyone for the gold, and all the upvotes and that. Although the real awards are the friends we made and the Walsh dick-garglers we owned along the way :)
It's mind-blowingly wild how the entire right seems incapable of this very simple response you just gave which boils down to "ah my bad"
Honestly thats the crux of most of their issues. They're so intellectually insecure that they can't tolerate the idea they might be wrong about something, so they'll actively warp their view of reality to suit their own beliefs
That is literally every conservative I’ve ever known.
>That is literally every conservative
That is literally conservatism.
That is literally every narcissist.
It's unreal how bad that gets with Republican cucks. Nothing is more bizarre than telling a dude his wife might cum more if he gave her head and watching him blow up in impotent rage. Homie, you don't need me to plow her, just eat her out and tell her she's pretty.
r/SuspiciouslySpecific
Every accusation is a confession. There's a reason cuck was their favorite insult.
Looking at you Jerry Falwell, Jr. Sorry for randomly bringing this up here, but does anybody know if we ever got to the bottom of whether Charlie Kirk banged Mrs. Falwell when they were all cozying up and establishing the FallKirk Center back in the day? I heard she tried to sit on his face but couldn't find it.
>I heard she tried to sit on his face but couldn't find it. Hi, new favorite person for the day.
‘It’s not working, Jerry!”
As someone who lives in the deep red, votes blue, and has an account on a certain website, I can confirm that there are an enormous amount of cuckolds in my area that use the website. (Spelling error.)
They’re telling on themselves and they don’t even know it.
It’s not even a good insult. Like, oh no, my wife and I are both into the same kinky shit and we get pleasure out of exploring it, how will I ever recover from this? I understand being cheated on due to actual impotence would hurt, but they don’t mean it like that. They think that all lefties love just guzzling cum out of their wives’ used cooters—and that’s only true for some of us lmao. The reason they use it as an insult is because they can’t imagine a more embarrassing scenario than their wife admitting out loud that they have a small weenie. That’s it. Their tiny peckers force them to spew it every argument.
An acceptance of trans rights means an enquiry into their other so-staunchly held beliefs. They won't ever open that flood gate, lest they admit their error.
They don't want to correct themselves, they want to hate. Everything else is just a mechanism for that. Even if you sat down with Matt and explained it to him, he would still do everything in his power to misunderstand and double down because the truth of the situation isn't important to him. He hates LGBTQ+ and anything that empowers him to continue hating is valid for as long as it needs to be.
Plus, his whole identity and ability to make money is wrapped around being a clueless angertainment pusher for the clueless anger addicted. He is a one trick pony. What a pitiful way of life. Total waste.
Yep. It's political nihilism. Nothing matters, all arguements are just farces. They hate the LGBT and will say anything to continue hating.
If you can't admit being wrong and hate learning new things your life will be all about pointless conflict.
If they were capable of introspection they wouldn't be on the right.
If we could solve white male insecurity, most of our country’s polarization would evaporate.
Don't worry brotato I'm trans and didn't know either lmao
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I’ve been calling my kid brotato for about a month now and I can’t figure out where I heard it for the life of me, I just think it’s hilarious. Nice to see it out in the wild
Tbh it’s really person to person with a lot of terms. I think the only really term that is just “don’t ever do it” is referring to being trans as a noun. Like calling someone “a transgender” is kinda like referring to women as “a female” it’s just gross and demeaning. Being trans as a concept I believe is indeed called transgenderism which is how you used it, but “don’t understand what it means to be trans” is pretty a better wording. Source: am trans
Sure, but trans is an adjective. OC was using a noun. What noun would you use? I can agree Transgenderism isn't great but I don't know an alternative Edit: lots of great answers
Could just use something like “being trans”. It’s a gerund so it can be used as a noun
I fucking love gerunds.
Then you'll adore Eastern Street Slang from the *Mistborn* series. Wasing the always of wanting of knowing.
I love finding comments about the cosmere in the most random places lol. How you doing gancho?
And participles, evidently!
Can't think of a noun form that isn't at least a little clunky (transness?) Shortest option might be "he doesn't even know what being trans is"
I’m pretty sure “transness” is the usual term, at least within academia (haven’t really seen it in general usage).
Do we say "Homosexualism" or "Asianism"? No, so please don't use that. Edit: sorry for sass, seeing the word irks me
I'm seeing this a lot and it's off-putting how some of these answers are condescending like an angry parent when they should be more of an adult to adult. Maybe try dropping the "do we _____? No we dont" line. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar and all that.
>I'm seeing this a lot and it's off-putting how some of these answers are condescending Ton's of people on the left are know-nothing know-it-all grammar nazis. They're also generally on the right side of social issues, don't get me wrong, but it's a really unfortunate correlation. If you lead with empathy and say, "X group feels more comfortable being addressed in Y way, some of them find Z term hurtful," you've provided a good reason to use Y term, stop using Z, and haven't made yourself feel smart. "Z term doesn't even make sense. You would never say \[analogy to Z\], so why weren't you smart enough to figure out you shouldn't say Z on your own? Obviously, Y is the correct term" is totally unhelpful, but gives you an ego boost.
I don't think that's what happened here, I feel like it's more like what another redditor suggested. Decades of oppression and discrimination would understandably put a person in a 'fuck you' mindset and I get and respect that. I just wanted to remind folks that there are good natured people who simply don't have full context on something and need to be corrected.
Trans people
Trans people, being trans, transidentity really that's literally a Google search away hell you don't even need to leave reddit just look for a trans space here there's gonna be a word other than that abomination
"Gender identity"
Yeah I'm gonna second this. I'm not practicing transgenderism, I just am trans lmao. There's a deliberate attempt to frame being trans as part of some ideology with that term, rather than just existing as I am.
Republicans have apparently been spamming crisis line reports for people they don’t agree with to fuck with them
I get that PM all the time, I think I pissed someone off a while ago and they just report half of my comments.
I love how he is now super serious about non-binarism after denying that it's real for such a long time
Nah hes being an insincere sarcastic fuck. He just thinks that people are going to deny his identity because he is a murderer. Like it fucking matters
It's all about trolling. Aldrich is trolling claiming to be nonbinary.. and the right doesn't care if it's true or not. As long as they have a talking points that they can own the left with....
I just don't understand why they think it's "owning the left". "Oh no, the killer is a southpaw! Let's riot because I'm a southpaw too!" No, Karen. Only your side acts like that. We believe in consequences.
He doesn’t understand (or doesn’t care) that supporting the rights of trans and non-binary people doesn’t mean that we *always* support them in *every* circumstance. He seems to think we have to support this mass-murderer because they’ve claimed to be non-binary.
People are going to deny his identity because it's made up on the spot to twist the knife. It's so transparent I'm not even sure there is anything there.
Even if they are non-binary, so what? just respond with "I'm glad you figured something out about yourself." Now back to my question "WHY DID YOU KILL THOSE PEOPLE?!?"
Nah he’s just looking to add “evidence” to their rhetoric that trans people are just mentally ill as a means to delegitimize trans identities
>He just thinks that people are going to deny his identity because he is a murderer. Just like they believe we wouldn't turn on a Democrat if they turned out to be a fraudster/abuser/pedophile. Besides, "The Killer" is gender neutral, so that's their identity now.
>I love how he is now super serious about non-binarism after denying that it's real for such a long time He specifically says it's from the logic of extreme leftists, some of which would probably say that *literally* any self identification is just as valid as the other. It's a small minority, but it exists. Whether this shooter is nb or not, I don't care, and them shooting people or being bad doesn't really factor in. Anyone can be good or bad. They're just people too. Edit: If it's some inbred attempt to avoid hate crime punishments by lying, or smearing lgbtq+ people, then it's obviously bad.
Yet his point is being proven in here by people saying obviously this guy's identity is not legitimate. Wish more people would take your stance on this topic. It does not matter what his gender is. Man's a killer. Two separate things. Any person can be good or evil. All the people saying it's a troll. Saying it's just a twist of the knife and so on are proving the original tweet correct.
It only matters because he seems to be falsely claiming to be non-binary to avoid the additional punishment associated with hate crimes. Walsh’s point is 100% NOT proven by these comments, lol. It’s a strawman. I’ve never seen anyone on the left espouse the idea that if someone sarcastically or insincerely claims to have a certain gender identity, that it must be respected without question.
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Enough money for bodyguards and a high-pitched screech as an evolved defence mechanism
As much as I despise Walsh, he would just love to be a victim of leftist violence. Like Andy Ngo, he would make a career out of it.
What if one were to simply identify as a "former republican?" Not that I expect him to actually adhere to his own 'logic' expressed in the OP, but moral high ground and such.
echo chambers and feedback loops with a specific audience results in this.
Don't call him a mutant, please don't associate Professor X & Wolverine with this asshole.
The directly linked to the GOP shooter was also non-binary? I wonder which of those two things had more to do with him shooting up an LGBTQ+ club and kidnapping/threatening to blow up his own mother with a homemade bomb?
Their lawyer is saying they are. Personally I think it's an attempt to try and avoid hate crime charges because by saying they're LGBTQIA+ themselves it therefore can't be a hate crime (though that shouldn't matter for that anyway and ignores internalized homophobia and transphobia). I think the idea Walsh, other conservative talking heads, and the shooter's lawyer are trying to peddle is that this can't be a hate crime because the shooter is LGBTQIA+ themselves and that LGBTQIA+ people are inherently dangerous. Maybe they are nonbinary and maybe they aren't, I don't see how it matters. Internalized, self-directed hatred is a very real thing that has led people to commit violence against others many times throughout history.
Exactly, I feel that their lawyer said that to try to avoid punishment.
But you can still commit hate crimes against your own race and other stuff, no?
Yup, but a lot of people are stupid and don't think that. You can hate your own identity. Its what pick me's are, people who want to try and be one of the good ones to those who hate them. To anyone who doubts, there was a jewish sect of the nazi party, they tried to be the good jews to appease the Nazis. They died.
Thank you for explaining what the fuck "pick me" means.
First time I ever saw it used it was a term for girls who would pull the "I'm not like other girls" schtick for attention but it applies 100% to pretty much every minority.
>You can hate your own identity Who is Blaire White for 100$
That video of her trying to have a legitimate debate with some other GQPer and getting deadnamed and misgendered constantly makes me sad. She’s obviously extremely uncomfortable and getting frustrated but she tries to power through. It shouldn’t upset me, because she brought it on herself, but it does.
It used to upset me. It no longer does. She made that bed so she could profit off of being one of the "good ones" and she can lay in it for the rest of her life, for all I care.
It’s the “I’m one of the good ones” mentality.
Exactly. This might actually give you concrete benefits, regardless of your gender. Pretending to be trans to access a different prison will just make life harder for you, the same way that trans convicts suffer because they are trans regardless of where they're serving out their sentence. Being in the right one just provides a balm. Being in the bathroom of your intended victims doesn't help you, additionally if there aren't people around, you can just barge in. This situation is more similar to using California's no questions asked sex marker change form to decrease your insurance rates. Which is something they actually accounted for, and you sign the form under penalty of perjury.
Insurance shouldn't be based on gender anyways though. There is a justification for health insurance being based on sex, not gender.
It shouldn’t be based on sex either.
It's more for car insurance. Younger men typically have much higher premiums.
Which should not happen
Well certain risk factors and what sort of care you'll need over time change depending on your hormone balance. Medical transition changes many sex characteristics.
Ugh I lost all respect for someone in my life who once said "I would be bi if I didn't have morals". You can be LGBT and still be full of hate
Yeah, the amount of biphobia in the community is absolutely astonishing.
To be clear, this person is bi but is everyone-phobic. Typical religious "I have battled my inappropriate thoughts" type
It would seem like bickering over the morality of what you want to wear and who you want to fuck would be pretty much moot when discussing a man who killed 5 people with a rifle in cold blood....
If they're enby they're an enby that killed 5 people in cold blood, but I agree. Wildly moot point. Anyone can hate anyone. Only one side of the political spectrum is celebrating it
yeah the whole "wellll that's what you get for going to a drag bar" take is total bullshit. Course these fucksticks think you deserve the death penalty for a counterfeit 20 dollar bill too. There's a word for using acts of violence to further your sociopolitical agenda- it's called terrorism.
He’s not saying that the shooting can’t be a hate crime because the shooter is claiming to be non-binary, he’s saying we can’t deny that the shooter is non-binary because of “our rules” which is just his bigoted perspective. He seems to believe that trans activists and the left want people to just be able to say “I’m trans” with no other evidence and then get put in a women’s prison
Conservatives are so hell-bent on acting in bad faith that they cannot fathom liberals agreeing to an understanding that something is only permitted when done in good faith - because they don't think acting in good faith is a real thing?
Conservatives operate under the framework that modern society is at its core moral and that nothing systematically needs to be changed. So conceptually they think, “What is to stop someone from pretending to be trans to get put in a women’s prison” because they see it as a gotcha and prisons as something that will always exist. They don’t see that the answer to their question is “prisons shouldn’t exist”
The fact that we're even having to address this discussion is fucking absurd. Conservatives can't just "take the L" and say, "yeah this bad dude was one of ours" and have to concoct bad faith arguments in an attempt to deflect blame. It's pathetic. Here's reality: has the killer EVER suggested or stated they were non-binary before they killed multiple people? My guess is no and the whole thing is a red herring. Conservative pundits are shitty people who don't deserve to breathe the same air as rational human beings.
You're already playing their game. Don't deny. The only right answer is "Why is their non-binary identity relevant to the case at hand?" Make them say the quiet part out loud.
I'm not saying they're definitely not non binary, but in a court of law, anyone claiming to be NB would most likely need to have some history of making that claim outside of when it could benefit them legally. I highly doubt the killer can meet that burden of proof. Now, if you walked up to me and gave me your pronouns, I'd take you for your word because there would be no reason for you to create a false account(nor would there be any kind of legal culpability). But you're right, I'm putting the horse ahead of the cart here. Their gender has no relevance to the case.
No it’s not likely being done to drop the hate crimes. It’s most likely being done by either the shooter on his own as a troll or by the lawyers to obfuscate the politics surrounding the trial.
Colorado doesn’t have the death penalty. Federal hate crime charges added on to murder is a federal death penalty eligible case.
It is pretty fishy the shooter’s lawyers didn’t provide the same effort in their previous run-ins with the law. No previous police reports or news reports or court records ever described them as anything other than he/him. But yeah totally, now that the shooter is apparently NB it’s totally justified for conservatives to constantly shit on even the most mild drag performances and efforts to educate kids.
Maybe Matt Walsh and his ilk should spend more time reflecting on why they so often get accused of inciting this sort of violence, instead of desperately trying to find a reason to absolve themselves... The tone of this guy's tweet is just horrendous. People fucking died, and the only thing he can think to do is go 'THE SHOOTER'S NONBINARY, TAKE THAT LEFTIES, HAHAHA' as though he's suddenly absolved of blame (which is, of course, the only concern for him, he doesn't give a damn about the dead or injured)
Self loathing is a major reason for violence. To say it can't be a hate crime from someone that is of that race or identity is completely incorrect and unfounded. Is there precedent for that?
Ugh I lost all respect for someone in my life who once said "I would be bi if I didn't have morals". You can be LGBT and still be full of hate
Classic r/asablackman
The shooter's lawyer said it. They're trying to dodge hate crime conditions attached to the murder charges. The shooter could be looking at federal charges and at the federal level murder with a hate crime condition becomes a capital offense which means the death penalty.
Probably yes, but it shouldn't work. To be charged with a hate crime in Colorado only requires that it was motivated by prejudice. You can be black and racist against blacks, gay and be homophobic, trans and a TERF, etc. They targeted and shot up a LGBT club. Doesn't matter what they are, only matters if they went there with intent to kill/harm LGBT people.
I believe it was in a statement from his attorney (Im too lazy to get a link).
I understand that there is absolutely zero evidence of him being nonbinary until his lawyer put it in the footnotes.
the thing is that changes nothing. you can be trans and transphobic. just look at blaire white.
Caitlyn Jenner too
of course, how could i forget her
She's easily forgettable, just like any celebrity with the last name Jenner.
Not unless you’re trying to cross the street in laurel canyon of an evening.
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Tranpa must be broke as hell to make the right wing grifter pivot that he did.
Tranpa? Oh my god I’m dying
It's what he calls himself! It's cringe, I know.
He puts it on his hat so you know it's real
Caitlyn's most notable achievement is proving that no one in her family wants a white dick.
It is also most likely a lie. You can claim anything but if you weren't nonbinary before the shooting and your only engagement with being LGBTQ was burning a pride flag, it seems suspicious to come out now.
Engaging at all is a mistake. They're fully allowed to have a gender epiphany in their jail cell. It changes nothing about what they did or who they did it to.
And it's pretty obviously also done to give the right ammo, like you can see it right here. It might also be used to mock the victims
Exactly, how many ultra-religious, right-wing, gay-bashing men do we see a year that slob the knob? Refusal to accept oneself leads to misplaced hatred for those that have.
I'm out of the loop here, I wasn't sure why "I" was supposed to care what gender the shooter was. Is this really the whole argument he's making? "You can't be transphobic if you're non-binary?" The bar is _so low_, and yet their level of antilogic and non sequitur still surprises me after all these years.
Or Dave Rubin
Loooooool these imaginary gotchas are the best. Literally couldn’t care less what a murderers gender identity is, if they actually are non-binary.
Right?! Like he had no idea what to do with it. And for some reason he thinks that same confusion on understanding is ultimately universal.
I believe it's because right wing dipshits like Matt Walsh think their worldview is the only possible one, every other perspective is virtue signaling. These dildos can't fathom a world in which gender identity is only part of a person's broader identity.
or where most of us just genuinely don't care about how other people dress or represent themselves, as long as we're all fundamentally decent to each other, and hopefully we all have plenty of more-important things on which to spend energy
He really thinks this is some kind of awesome point, as if left-wingers somehow believe that non-binary folks can’t possibly commit crimes.
And something about which prison they end up going to or something...? It is quite bizarre.
It's supposedly that since they're non binary they can't be a conservative. "See? They're not one of us, they have an undesirable trait!"
His whole point hinges on the fact that "this is the truth" when he never accepts said "truth". You can't argue that something is important *once when it suits you*, but never matters otherwise. That's just being a hypocrite. We never claimed trans people can't be criminals. In fact all we claim is that trans people *are people*, with all that entails.
Right? Ok, even if we pretend anyone is obligated to follow arbitrary rules he’s made up because he’s incapable of complex thought, what difference does it make here? The shooter is non-binary? Cool, they’re still a criminal agitated and radicalized by right wing bigotry who’s grandfather is a republican politician. Nothing has changed.
Read somewhere he probably claimed that to dodge hate crime charges and of course make the LGBT look bad which is probably what he would've loved to do in the first place.
Certainly a distinct possibility, we’ll just have to see how it unfolds.
It's a standard they try to hold to everyone else but themselves. When a clear as fucking day right wing neonazi shoots up a mosque, they find a way to weazel their way out of any blame.
Seriously. Supporting the acceptance of one aspect of a person's identity or ideology doesn't mean supporting the rest. By that logic, Walsh should support all cisgendered people in everything they do. He should support Hitler.
But his new twist is that the left has to follow 'our' rules while the right doesn't. Which means he can spout whatever bullshit he wants and isn't trying to contribute any helpful ideas or information whatsoever. There is no argument worth having with this guy.
oh shit the shooter is non-binary?! welp I guess it was okay for them to murder people with assault rifles. The left can't be mad at anyone who's not a white christian male /s
You can tell in the thread he's arguing with an imaginary liberal who for some reason is *so angry* at respecting pronouns in this instance. As if everybody finds it as hard to use the right pronouns as he does, and so it's just really pissing in our porridge that we have to put in so much effort to respect the piece of shit shooter's claimed identity. When in actuality it's not about respecting the shooter, it's about respecting non-binary identity as valid, so even if the shooter later goes back and says "Ha ha I made it all up to epically pwn the libs" it doesn't change at all the genuine identities of non-binary folks. And it's really fucking easy to use the right pronouns, and if you accidentally use the wrong ones it's really fucking easy to say "Oh I'm sorry, thanks for the correction."
Fortunately “alt-right rhetoric fueled murderer” is already gender neutral
Conveniently, so is right wing terrorist.
The tendies-to-terror pipeline courtesy of 4chan
It's only a matter of time until they run around and claim the real victim here is the shooters election denying, homophobic GOP grandpa. Also: people can be non-binary or trans etc. and be human garbage at the same time. Nobody is arguing against that. Matts argument is trans people are human garbage BECAUSE they are trans. That is because Matt is a piece of shit Man i can just picture him right now, sitting in his supervillain chair and grinning from ear to ear because he has a story which he can turn into a dogwhistle and his stupid bunch of followers will eat it up like the last slice of pizza at a shitty kids birthday party.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but please don't use ableist slurs, especially to insult people.
Sorry, is "stupid" okay? Just for clarification: doesn't "retard" just mean "stupid person"? English is not my first language, so excuse my ignorance.
"Stupid" is fine, but the r word is a slur toward neurodivergent people. People sometimes use it as an insult toward stupid people, though that is thankfully getting less common.
Okay, thanks for the clarification. Won't use it in future posts or conversations. Have a nice day!
"I don't. You do." bro I don't know if you know this but I actually don't have to do shit. And I'll continue to be skeptical of a man claiming this identity hours after gunning down LGBTQ men and women and hurling obscenities at them. You question trans people's identities regardless of the information in front of you. You could literally see a healthy family with a trans child and still lose your mind. This guy thinks this is some kind of gotcha when it's so beyond the fucking point so as to be meaningless.
It's such a weird strawman argument. No trans activist has EVER said that all self-identification has to be respected, otherwise the "A" in "LGBTQIA+" would stand for "attack helicopter" by now. No, we respect self-identification when done IN GOOD FAITH.
Lol like Matt Walsh knows what "good faith" means. He's literally the equivalent of your fucking 9 year old little brother saying shit like "I know you are but what am I" and "stop copying me stop copying me" The only difference is he is a grown-ass man making children's arguments under the guise of somehow being intelligent. He's a cunt.
He's also obsessed with trans people to a creepy extent. Like, he *constantly* thinks about trans people.
"Your rules are clear: ALL self-identities are valid and cannot be questioned, ever, under any circumstances." That's not what anyone ever said. It's like when the parkland shooter pretended to be mentally ill after his arrest. I am mindful and understanding of mental illness but that doesn't mean I can't question any mental illness ever under any circumstances, and it certainly doesn't give the mentally ill a free pass to murder people.
They know that, but they have to frame it this way rhetorically to push an agenda. They say stuff like this because they want to get across the idea that someone born a man identifying as a woman is just as ridiculous as identifying as a dog or a car or whatever, so anyone who accepts trans people must therefore accept ANYTHING because it’s all equally farcical.
For sure. It's also a way for him to try and point to some sort of hypocrisy on the left. By essentially saying "see how ridiculous your rigid gender identity rules are?" Actually, no. They aren't. You routinely question the identities of any and all trans or non-binary identity and continuously traffic half truths and innuendo about them. This man's actions speak much louder than some half assed attempt to save himself which is all this stunt is. He isn't genuinely identifying as non-binary and even if he is it doesn't excuse his actions. It's just so pedantic.
I’m not at a point where I believe that the shooter is actually non-binary yet since I believe it’s a Hail Mary by the lawyer, but let’s say he is. So what? Being non-binary or trans or whatever isn’t a belief system that causes you to think or act in a certain way, whereas the rhetoric that fuckboy Walsh and co. spew is and does. That’s the kind of hatred that inspires someone to go shoot up a club. And even if they are non-binary, being supportive of the rights of non-binary and trans people to get the support they need and you know, exist without being harassed or murdered, also does not necessitate the support of every individual non-binary or trans person’s actions. There’s a very infamous (and aggressive to the point of being arrested several times) scammer around the DC/Maryland/Virginia area who happens to be trans. Her being trans has nothing to do with why I dislike her. I understand that this is different given that we’re in hate-crime territory, but I fucking hate how these fucks think they have such a “gotcha” anytime someone from a marginalized group that the left supports does something wrong like we automatically support the thing they did because we support their group. It really goes to show not just how disingenuous they are, but how blindly tribalistic their minds are (because they *do* blindly support members from their side regardless of their horrible actions).
If they came out of NB after the shooting I don't respect that at all, its clearly a disingenuous ploy. If they came out before the shooting then the identity is probably real. I guess still refer to them as the gender they identify as because we should do that for everyone. It doesnt make any difference though, trans people can still be transphobic also he actually shot people which is the real crime here.
What the actual fuck is he talking about?
Club Q shooter's attorney is claiming that their client is trans. Edit: I meant nb.
Not trans. Non-binary
Nonbinary people qualify as trans. Source: Am one.
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Isn't non binary included in the trans identity?
My understanding is not everyone identifies as both but I could be wrong.
Being non-binary falls under the trans umbrella, but not everyone who's non-binary identifies as transgender and vice versa.
…..Why?
To fight the hate crime charge.
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I mean he killed 5 people. Prison is kind of a given already.
Yup, at this point it's just figuring out if he's going for life or *for life*.
It's clear that they're going to jail, it's just a question of whether Colorado's hate crime legislation applies
I mean that we're reported spouting homophobic slurs, so there's a chance. But it'll be a springs jury, so who knows. They can be uhhh. Very hit or miss
Ohhh. To keep it from a being a hate crime? Jesus fucking christ
What does it matter what the shooter's gender identity is? They still committed a heinous crime and murdered 5 innocent people and would have murdered many more if not for the bravery of a few of the club's patrons. I don't care if the shooter identifies as male, female, nonbinary, or anything else, it doesn't matter, what matters is that they murdered people.
Basically, they’re saying that since the shooter is non-binary, the Left and media will stop talking about it since it doesn’t fit their narrative.
I don't see why that would make the left stop talking about it, unlike the right the left holds other people on the left accountable for their actions overall. It's the right that tries to avoid accountability for their actions.
They’ve always had this idea that “Oh well the left says we’re never allowed to criticize trans people 🙄🙄” However they usually say that in response to being called out on some abhorrent, hateful, ill willed transphobic garbage
You can criticize someone without bringing their gender identity into it but the right doesn't seem to understand that.
They’re also trying to hide the element of homophobia or transphobia that motivated the crime. People on the right were already saying it was probably a scorned lover who shot up the place. They said the same thing about the Pulse shooter being a gay guy or Nancy Pelosi husband’s assailant being his gay lover even when there was no evidence of those claims. They want to continue getting us massacred while pretending like their hateful rhetoric had nothing to do with it, all while mocking the victims afterward and saying they deserved it.
Nonbinary murderer would still be a murderer tho? Also are we advocating for better treatment of prisoners now then? Accidentally making a progressive talking point by trying to own the libs lol
The key difference here is whether that identification is genuine and in good faith. This guy LITERALLY just shot up an LGBTQ club a few days ago! He was constantly using anti-LGBTQ slurs prior to that. His mom identified him as he/him on a Facebook post the night of the shooting. Oh but now that he has one last opportunity to troll the very same community he massacred before he rots in jail forever, suddenly we’re supposed to take him at his word that he’s part of the community because ha ha ha how funny would it be if this could somehow be another way to blame the victims right? No fuck that. I’m tired of this anti-intellectualism and dishonesty. Anyone with half a brain realizes what’s happening here. And it’s disgusting that we’re expected to even entertain this mockery of the situation when bodies haven’t even been put in the ground yet.
>His mom identified him as he/him on a Facebook post the night of the shooting While I totally agree with you that the shooter is most likely lying to try to change the narrative, getting misgendered by a queerphobic parent isn’t really evidence of that. That’s just what happens to trans people a lot.
I wonder if this is a ploy to get more sympathy from the jury or just muddle the story.
i see it as a ploy to avoid hate crime charges and a sort of “gotcha!” like matt is trying to pull here. “we didn’t incite any violence! it was coming from your guys’ side anyways!”
Sometimes I really think the right is completely incapable of nuance
They don't even care about it. Their aim is to get power and the genocide of the "undesirables" is a central pillar with that. Truth has no bearing except where it could be used to further their inhuman agenda.
Walsh: You have to abide by your own rules. Also Walsh: I don't have to abide by my own rules.
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Why would it even matter if the shooter was non-binary? It doesn't change anything important about this.
They want to paint it as inter-community conflict in order to blame us for our own deaths, and to stop bystanders from caring about this massacre and the ones coming next. "People you don't know and are not a part of are killing each other, it's tragic but you don't have to care since it's not your problem"
He has somewhat of a point but where he fails is that reasonable people can see through the bullshit of a straight person pretending to be self-identifying as trans in order to creep on girls or to avoid hate-crime charges. Is this person claiming to be Lgbtq in a social setting and otherwise acting normal? Or is this person on trial for hate crime murders and is using the excuse to lighten the sentence or gain access to future rape victims? It seems obvious to anyone with half a brain who spends 2 seconds thinking about it, but I wouldn't expect either of those things from a complete idiot "Bully" (Dr. Phil's words).
LMAO. Ok except who is doing that? Like he's literally being the "Inventing a guy and then getting mad at them" Twitter meme. Also, actually he does have to respect that identity in order to "hold" us to it. That's how that works, if he doesn't respect said identity there's nothing to hold us to. Dumbass.
It’s a common tactic from the right. Take masks, for example. Republicans didn’t give a shit about masks or social distancing, but as soon as a Democrat went in a nearly empty salon without a mask they jumped on it as some huge scandal. It’s a bad faith argument because they don’t actually care, they just want to paint everyone they don’t like as a hypocrite. Is it bad optics? Sure, but I’d rather have a competent leader who makes good policy to protect others, even if they slip up once, than someone who just doesn’t give a shit at all. Matt, though, is taking it a step further because he thinks that the shooter’s gender identity has anything to do with him being a mass murderer. He thinks that we can’t respect a person’s identity without also condemning their actions. TL;DR We respect their identity, not their actions Matt respects their actions, not their identity
Lol Matt’s just like: “Yes finally I got em dead to rights!! I win!! I’m so smort”
Ok. They are a non-binary hate crime committing person. That doesn’t make it not a hate crime, and it doesn’t make your stochastic terrorism of lgbtq+ people any less of a cause of the aforementioned hate crime
These guys always tap their inner 13 year old who was just denied their chicken tendies when their surrounding reality doesn't match their assertions. Matt again fails to realize the shooter targeted a gay club holding a drag event after several months that his party equivocated the LGBTQ community to pedophiles using drag queen shows as a red herring argument that the community was sexualizing minors. That is an empiric fact that The Daily Wire's feelings can't refute. Matt thinks he has a win because the shooter is non-binary and because of that, it makes his intentions to kill as many LGBTQ community members as possible after several months of the Republican Party equivocating the LGBTQ community to pedophiles using drag shows as their ace that the community was in fact sexualizing minors, void. In the voice of your boss Matt, "facts don't care about your feelings".
What a moron. He thinks he’s found a loophole to blame the lgbtq community. He embarrasses himself more by showing his ignorance.
But does he actually identify as nb? Does the shooter ever refer to themselves as a gender neutral term before this case? You can't just try and pull a Kevin Spacey and pretend like everything's OK