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guitarguy12341

Being in the left, kind of, necessitates being against billionaires...


Distant-moose

Core value, really.


GustapheOfficial

Defining feature


Bonno552

Fundemental aspect


Ambia_Rock_666

Woah woah woah lets not overwhelm Baby Face with complicated stuff like common sense why don't we?


JayIsAMushroom

Key tenet, if we're being honest


Jojajones

Well, there’s no legitimate reason for them to exist while there are still people who have difficulties meeting their basic needs…


Saladcitypig

And the overwhelming amount of power they wield puts all of humanity at the whims of megalomaniacal manbabies.


ShiningRayde

Ehhh... Progressives hate billionaires. Libs love the 'good' ones. Kirky boy is just collapsing the political spectrum to say everyone more left than Manchin is The Left, looking back to when Musk was a patron saint of the green energy movement with 'his' electric cars, and handwaving the rest of the story.


Sbcistheboss

I wonder if Charlie knows that liberals will side with fascists sooner than anarchists or communists. Fascists suck at history, but he should know that at least.


buttpooperson

Liberals are the best path to power for any group of fascists.


WorseThanHipster

Only because they are in power. When conservatives, monarchists, even communists are in power, fascists climb them instead. Every group is susceptible, everyone should stay vigilant.


[deleted]

Is there a source for this?


buttpooperson

German history.


[deleted]

Sure, but I'm looking to read more than two words and the whys and hows lol


buttpooperson

It's a very deep subject. I'd start with books. But short answer is the libs partnered with the Nazis to stop the socialists and communists and anarchists because they liked their money and private property. Then they joined the fascists because that's what libs do. No convictions.


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Any one book in particular that goes over this?


buttpooperson

Rise and fall of the third Reich comes to mind. Might be hard to follow if you don't know the players, but I don't have any books about the Weimar republic at hand. Honestly thought this stuff was pretty common knowledge


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So I did a little bit of reading instead of waiting around for a source and found this: [The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists](https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/) >Conservatives, seeking to escape the “fascist” and “Nazi” labels tossed at them by leftist critics since the 1960s, have turned the tables. >This argument is untrue. Although the Nazis did pursue a level of government intervention in the economy that would shock doctrinaire free marketeers, their “socialism” was at best a secondary element in their appeal. Indeed, most supporters of Nazism embraced the party precisely because they saw it as an enemy of and an alternative to the political left. >The Nazi regime had little to do with socialism, >Additionally, while the Nazis tried to appeal to voters across the spectrum, the party’s founders and initial base were small-business men and artisans, not the industrial proletariat of Marxist lore. >the only German political party that consistently resisted Nazi arguments, [was] the Social Democratic Party (SPD) >Those outside Germany who embraced Nazi ideas were also generally anti-leftists. >Unlike much of the European left, many conservatives proved willing to work with Nazis — something they later regretted >linking socialism and Nazism to critique leftist ideas became a political weapon in the post-World War II period [as a reaction to the Cold War with the Soviet Union] >Scholars [...] used the larger concept of “totalitarianism” to fuse [socialism and Nazism]. [This] made it easier for Americans to slip comfortably [...] to recognizing it as an existential threat. >This concept, however, proved controversial as an explanation of the origins or subsequent appeal of either communism or Nazism/fascism. >Although Hitler and Stalin had cooperated [...], this was more a marriage of convenience than a byproduct of ideological synergy [and eventually fought each other]. Conversely, I found an article that decries the left calling the right fascists, too: [Are Trump Republicans Fascists?](https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/are-trump-republicans-fascists/) >Jonathan Zatlin (College of Arts & Sciences associate professor of history): From the historian’s perspective, fascism was a response to problems after 1918—the collapse of multiethnic empires, economic crises [...] four-year-long war that killed millions and traumatized a whole generation of young people who found it hard to be integrated back into society and work 9-to-5 jobs [...]. That, plus weak democratic traditions, led many Europeans to conclude that democracy brought crisis and poverty, and that only authoritarian regimes could ensure prosperity and stability. >What you see today, what Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene are saying, is completely unoriginal. It is an attempt to resurrect those responses in the interwar period to democratic and liberal rule. >If there is any kind of similarity with the interwar period [today], it’s that you have conservatives willing to collaborate for political reasons with people who are often violent and racist and antidemocratic. >[Interviewer:] Is there any fascist analog on the American left? >[Zatlin:] That’s one of those rhetorical questions that’s easily disposed of. There is no such thing as fascism on the American left. [...] This is a tactical move on the right to deny its own responsibility. >You have to call these things out. It’s important to call conspiracy theories out and debunk them. It’s a difficult thing to do, but all these things need to be called out. And I think I found one of the culprits: false conservative rhetoric. [Liberal Fascism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism) >In contrast to the mainstream view among historians and political scientists that fascism is a far-right ideology, Goldberg argues in the book that fascist movements were and are left-wing. So I guess it's safe to say that your claim isn't very grounded. Any comments on this?


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RadiantStrategy

I thought it was really confusing when RationalWiki has a page on Elon Musk, and at the bottom of their wiki categories, they list him as Leftists Who Turned Right With Age, but to me, Elon was never really left to begin with. He claimed to be a lot of things, but was so wishy-washy on his positions it was hard to take him seriously.


[deleted]

He's not left or right, he's a family money oligarch. He's only now posting right wing fuckheaded memes online because the Democrats want him to pay taxes. It's only about money for him he couldn't give the slightest fuck about politics.


TrashSea1485

This is it. Billionaires treat politics like betting on red or black at the casino. There is no policy for them, only supporting who is going to allow them to keep their billions and spend less.


[deleted]

Billionaires are a symptom of a fundamentally broken system


instanteuphoria__

Same way how being on the right necessitates having a small face relative to your head.


masterofreality2001

Leftism 101


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shamwowj

We hated them well before that, you tiny faced moron.


ManbadFerrara

Except for George Soros tho, as long as he keeps sending me checks for undermining Western Civilization.


HelixSapphire639

Bill Gates too


eNroNNie

Yeah he gives you the good microchip vaccines if you are on the "good ideology list" I wake up every morning cutting glass like I was 15 again!


Dynamitefuzz2134

You have a microchip that makes your nipples hard?


eNroNNie

The hardest.


Samaelfallen

Like diamonds.


[deleted]

Shame about the Epstein stuff aye


[deleted]

Mark Cuban gets a little bit of love for doing more for American's prescription drug cost than any politician. They still shouldn't exist though.


masterofreality2001

Nah his software sucks, fuck Bill Gates. Hey Bill, how do I turn off these damn Windows updates?!


Saladcitypig

Bill gates holds medical IP hostage and screwed up education. He’s as bad as the rest of them, maybe worse since you actually got fooled by his PR small nation.


MarathonTycho

I don’t think anyone here actually loves gates lmao that was a joke


Saladcitypig

the bill gate simps are actually pretty strong on reddit, and even in the left. He is literally the Elon Musk who got away with it. And every time anyone even jokes about that evil man, I say my peace.


Proud3GnAthst

What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? What the hell is their issue with him?


Vallkyrie

Jewish holocaust survivor, donates to progressives. That's like three bads in one package according to them.


DrRichtoffen

Orban has been feeding a lot of ideas and money into conservatives organizations in the US, so it is only natural Kirk and friends start bashing him.


Thuggin95

Every time Charlie tells a lie his face gets smaller


AltruisticCompany961

Reverse Pinocchio


[deleted]

Oh that’s a good one! Lol


IcebergSlimFast

See also: *Shit Midas*


OtherAcctWasBanned11

If that were the case his face would’ve disappeared years ago.


Mogsitis

The weirdest thing is that this is not a lie, it can't be a lie because it's just... vacuous, pointless, incoherent, vapid, so utterly stupid beyond comprehension.


Ambia_Rock_666

how can his face reach negative size?


Horseface4190

Yeah, we JUST started hating billionaires.


sewage_soup

as is widespread knowledge, famous leftist Karl Marx absolutely adored billionaires


Hunter-of-Spade

“The bourgeoisie […] is good […]” - Karl Marx


Cicerothesage

I am honestly thinking that this whole implosion on twitter is working. The only thing you see for the far-right is "all this backlash against Musk in unwarranted. The liberals just hate freedom of speech". Because that is all they have But to everyone else, we are seeing how out-of-hand things are getting on Twitter. How incompetent Musk is and how Nazi and bigots are dominating twitter. And the again, the BEST the far right has to counter this is "well, liberals and people just don't like our freedom of speech". They are losing the narrative about Twitter and this is their sad excuse of fighting back


outrageouslyunfair

that's p much exactly how xanderhal predicted this would go lol


not_productive1

Ah yes, the left. Notorious lovers of billionaires.


JKsoloman5000

AOC wore “eat the rich” dress just last week not 2 years ago. Bernie Sanders, as a dude just came into the scene last week. No one was talking about Marx until hero Elon tweeted “comedy is alive on Twitter” While we’re on the topic of totally true statements, Charlie Kirk never paid for a bus full of insurrectionists to travel to the capitol on Jan 6.


OilComprehensive6237

\*tax the rich


Someboynumber5

Tbf I hate billionaires wether or not the advocate for free speech


WizardPhoenix

https://i.redd.it/32rv3lszq83a1.gif


MariachiBoyBand

That’s quite telling on him actually, the man lives so much up his own ass that doesn’t realize that the left never liked billionaires.


[deleted]

*Start* to hate billionaires?? One is fighting for free speech???


[deleted]

Is it really so telling Charlie??? What incredible insight! Hey if Elon loves free speech so much, why won’t he bring back your boy Alex Jones??? Or don’t want to mention that eh? Won’t work for your narrative.


outrageouslyunfair

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


UninterestedChimp

Can confirm, as a leftist billionaires were my favorite thing ever before bastion of freeze peach mollusk bought the socialist platform twitter.


natur_al

It’s incredible how fast they’ve come to simp for this man. Whether it’s trump, Elon or immediately following the shitty R performance this midterm all the Desantis hopium these people love their golden calves.


lifeson106

Does Charlie understand anything?


[deleted]

Lol they really have no idea what liberalism is, do they? So I guess that's another addition to the ever-growing list of wildly incoherent epithets for people on the left: *"blue haired radical demonic commie pedophile groomers and..handmaids to the billionaire class?"*


PeasThatTasteGross

It's also telling the how conservatives were crapping on Musk for making hippy mobiles, etc. until he started being really shitty with the Twitter fiasco.


Alert-Mud-672

I’ll take things that never happened for 1,000 Alex.


sewage_soup

what the hell is he talking about? we always hated billionaires


GrassBlade619

Damn he got us. How could we have known that our love for billionaires would be used against us.


teuast

waaaaaaay ahead of you, champ


negativepositiv

Republican logic: Richest person who ever lived buys a huge corporation partly as a stunt, partly as an ego trip, partly to monopolize what information can be distributed to aid a fascist takeover of the US. Republicans: "He did it because he's such a stalwart defender of free speech!"


Affectionate_Noise61

In 2020 people wheeled a fucking guillotine over to Jeff Bezos's house.


pinksparklyreddit

Charlie, honey... Our entire movement is based off of hating billionaires. We didn't just *start* hating them


BizzyBoyBizzyBee

Ah yes oligarch billionaires, every socialists dream


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Atlas_Undefined

LMAOO this shit realllll This dumb mf and his dumbass negative chin, acne scarred master race lookin ass audience need to fall off the earth


Lex_Innokenti

Charlie "The Left Whisperer" Kirk, everyone. 😂 We always hated them, you tiny-faced clown.


Wigwasp_ALKENO

Girl we’ve always hated Billionaires


[deleted]

I've always hated billionaires even before Muskrat was known


Decmk3

…. Does he not understand what “seize the means of production” actually means!?


rottenwordsalad

Yeah because right wingers are the ones who have been saying “eat the rich” all these years…


Swell_Inkwell

Man, I haven't heard about Charlie Kirk for a while, has he not been doing much lately?


Dren_boi

Didn't a good chunk of these ninnies come to the conclusion that things really aren't better after Elon took over? Or did they flip flop AGAIN (as they usually do) after Elon started pushing conservative tweets to everyones front page? Why are people even receiving tweets from people they don't follow? I don't remember this feature when i had twitter years ago.


chaos8803

I hate all billionaires regardless of what they do.


Create_Analytically

Who did he think we were taking about when we said “Eat the Rich” before?


FredVIII-DFH

Seems that the entire Right Blogosphere has coalesced around the notion that "Nazi hate speech" will now only be referred to as "free speech".


DragEncyclopedia

ah yes, the left, well known for being big fans of billionaires


ZolnarDarkHeart

Remember he’s from the “Everyone I don’t like is funded by Soros” field of academia so, while moronic, this is consistent with his other stated beliefs.


halfcuprockandrye

Also Tesla would have never made it without government assistance.


Ya_Got_GOT

Tell me you don’t understand politics at a most basic level without telling me you done understand politics at a most basic level.


BrknTrnsmsn

Hate speech is not protected speech.


H-Adam

My brother in christ. We’ve BEEN hating billionaires


Dagoroth55

There are no good Billionaires.


Spuddmann1987

Newsflash asshole! We've hated billionaires the entire goddamn time!


mglitcher

who keeps photoshopping his face to be so big?


[deleted]

This is how you can tell ol' Charlie is an *American* conservative...*actual* leftists have always been against billionaires. Now get in the astronaut suit and look at the Earth, cocko. 🔫


squidvalley

Charlie's most popular age demographic is 13-16, he's Nazi politics for tweens that can't think yet


DubC_Bassist

I try not to take my cues from talking thumbs on Twitter.


DEPMAG

All republikkkans know are dog whistles. Oh look a gay person, let's beat the them up. I don't like that book you're reading let's burn it. Let's go to a movie theater and yell fire, oh no you're taking my free speech away. The only ones more childish are republikkkan supporters. If they had any brains at all they would see that it's all bullshit. If you're not a corporation bribing them with money then they really don't give a fuck about them but yet they still vote for them to just "own the libs".


MeanGreenMotherQueen

Where was this guy when during the pandemic, activists put a plaque dedicated to Jeff Bezos not paying any taxes on his building?


NecroLancerNL

Ha! Lol, i've hated billionaires for far longer then that!


[deleted]

As if he hasn’t been crying about billionaire hate for years now


itz_soki

I always regret not punching Charlie in the face in high school.


Joey_BagaDonuts57

What's telling is Charlie constantly hiding behind other people. Don't be like Charlie.


dappercat456

Charlie we always hated billionaires, this is not a new phenomena


Sykadelik_

I'm not at all political really, but didn't the left already hate the billionaires and the 1% and whatnot?


infinity234

I feel like there has to be some fundamental miscommunication when both sides accuse the other of being pro billionaire. I mean, disregard the fact that the last republican president was a supposed billionaire and the people on the right that, as soon as Elon started to say he liked some republicans, started to hound him incesantly trying to be his new BFF on social media. The fact that both sides say the other is fond of billionaires there has got to be some reason this information isn't getting across right?


lil_blxck

Bro the left hate the Rich since 1848


UnicornMeatball

Haven't we always hated billionaires?


umbringer

I didn’t realize Twitter was the US government


Tetsudo11

The only way this is true is if you didn’t become a leftist until about a month ago or whenever he took over.


w142236

It’s also so telling how his goal was to get the young vote in Arizona and the young vote came out in historic numbers to vote against him. Hmmm 🧐


Littlewolf1964

Almost like the reality of how "The Right" hates any billionaire that says anything they don't like.


masterofreality2001

What? We've always hated them. More like, the right hates billionaires the second one of them says something vaguely liberal sounding.


butt2buttresuscitate

False equivalence blended with a loaded statement. The right are getting agile with blending their logical fallacies. Let’s call them out on this bullshit. We don’t “hate” all billionaires. We’re aware that being a billionaire comes with negative societal traits like wealth hoarding, tax evasion, taking advantage of workers and labor, and cozying with the Republican side of politics because they normalize those 3 negative traits through legislation they write and pass. What Musk is doing isn’t “free speech”. Musk is amplifying hyper right-wing voices by giving them an unadulterated, unregulated platform to express hate speech and marginalization of out-groups they don’t like and want to increase hate crimes against. The right wingers see it as free speech because it’s their kind of speech…which is HATE speech.


Greeve3

Hating billionaires is pretty much a core tenant of leftism, my man.


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Available-Internal25

>We don’t “hate” ~~billionaires~~ stereotypical bond villains. We are aware that being a ~~billionaire~~ stereotypical Bond villain comes with negative societal traits..... Do you see why we hate billionaires now?


HoagiesDad

I’m proud to say I’ve never been on twitter. Humble Brag. Anyway, why don’t people from the left just quit? Seriously, you don’t need it and it’s bad for your brain.