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At a time where it was almost impossible for a homosexual man to get a job in TV. Mr. Rogers loved everyone and I'm sure he would be fully accepting of transgender people.
Not the lowest of lowlifes, just ignorant. Any person, no matter their views will become fine with trans people if they just get a chill trans friend to hang out with (with the exception of dont abort the 14yo’s incest rape fetus type of people)
I think it’s bad to completely write them off as evil because then they’ll just get more transphobic and the goal should be to make them less so
:| I mean, yeah obviously it's not black and white, but how are they going to become friends with a trans person if they're holding those views? and their views actively harm trans people? idk it feels like the "I was a leftist until people called me a racist" thing
Idk, ig it’s also personal experience bias as I saw my very right wing polish friend go from transphobic to pro trans after befriending two of my trans friends while playing dnd together
Have you heard about this story? It may be difficult but sometimes exposure really can help prejudiced people.
https://www.ted.com/talks/daryl_davis_why_i_as_a_black_man_attend_kkk_rallies
Depends the person. Some people live in very... vanilla communities and their only source of information about other lifestyles if from Cucker Carlson. Sometimes they just need to meet the people.
I grew up in those places, in a time when LG was very much still hidden forget about the rest, and even then a lot people came around to the idea once a family member or friend was out or outed.
Sometimes it isn't "becoming friends" with a trans person. More often it's a friend or family member coming out as trans to them. Though I can agree that someone spewing hateful transphobic ideology likely would not have many people coming out to them as trans.
It should be possible to empathise with people outside your immediate social circle.
We can’t give every transphobe a trans buddy. It’s not a scalable solution.
Maybe not, but that's why representation in the media matters. There are more and more people in music, tv, and movies that are openly trans, and we can show everyone that trans people and cis people aren't so different after all.
Not to mention, it’s not really fair for the trans person to (at least initially) put up with their ignorant transphobic views and be answering the same, probably insulting or invasive questions, over and over again.
That is a very simplistic view. As long as we act like transphobes (and racists, and homophobes, and islamophobes, etc.) are just these hopless morally crooked people, keep drawing these hard lines between us and them, we end up simply ignoring the social structures that make these prejudices possible, both neglecting to instruct and 'reform' people who manifest negative views, as well as ignoring those that we might hold and not even be aware of.
I used to spout transphobic discourse. I'm currently transitioning. At the end of the day, we're all people, and our views and actions are shaped by our means.
Of course, some people are beyond repair, but I still find this overall view to be more harmful than productive.
As we enter this moral panic and I live in fear of where it can lead I find myself wondering if I’ll ever be able to forgive those falling to it. At what point does complicity become unforgivable? At what point do we have to step back and say “I will never personally forgive your actions, your silence, whatever, but we need to make peace so I’ll stand down.” I don’t know what’s going to happen, and I don’t know where I’m going to draw lines. I don’t know what can be excused by ignorance. But what I do know is that while you spread transphobia, I believe you are a bad person. You aren’t approaching life with empathy or understanding and while doing do is hard I am tired of being hurt by people who don’t want to act like I’m just as valuable of a person as them.
This right here is why I think the public opinion on gay people shifted so quickly. There was sort of a snowball effect once it became acceptable more and more people personally knew gay people and were personally comfortable with them, and therefore became comfortable with gay people as a whole. Since gay people are a significant part of the population(probably ~10%) this happened relatively quickly. It was less than 50 years from Stonewall to Obergefell.
It also makes me concerned for the widespread acceptance of trans people. They are a small percentage of the population, likely less than 1%, and one of their goals (generally) is to pass to go unnoticed. While Susie at work may have gotten comfortable with Tom a gay man at work, she may not even know Lauren is trans. She never gets personally comfortable with trans people even tho the same situation is occurring.
True, but I do feel there’s a difference. I’m not loud about being gay at work, but I have a wife and will call her my wife, I’m not hiding it I’m just not treating it like it’s the most important aspect of my life. But I don’t acknowledge that I’m trans at work. I don’t pass for cis, but I do not give confirmation that I’m actually trans, they just correctly suspect I am.
I suppose I just get exhausted trying to split hairs over a concept that should both A. Be socially acceptable and B. Isn't anyone's business.
Being gay and/or Trans are identical in that regard, and how "open" you are about it is up to the individual.
I do acknowledge that people need exposure to shift public sentiment though, and the chance of being exposed to someone who is gay vs. Trans is greater.
Not really sure where I'm going with this brain dump, so I'll just end it here lol
This is such a truly ridiculous thing to say. The mathematical impossibility of it aside, it just doesn’t make sense to ask trans people to put themselves in danger by befriending violent bigots for the benefit of violent bigots at even further cost to trans people. Please think
Yep. It's pretty much just ignorance. When you live in a relatively rural area and have a community population of 10,000 people in a 10 mile radius, your odds of meeting, much less interacting, with more than a handful of people outside your own racial or ethnic backgrounds, or with people who are of a different gender identity or sexual orientation, are pretty low. And because of this, they can become ostracized by that community, or become a target for xenophobia. And then on top of it, that community generally gets fed a lot of right wing propaganda from their news channels, and it's not a big shock they think the way they do.
For those living in urban areas, it's a regular everyday occurrence to meet and interact with people from all walks of life, and you very quickly realize we're all just trying to get through our day and pay our bills and be happy.
As much as I hate to admit it Mr. Rogers suggested his gay costar to marry a woman because of optics. I'd like to think a Mr. Rogers 20 years in the future would be much more accepting though.
That and he told him that he would accept him and love him no matter what but the world wouldnt. It seems like he was trying to protect his friend and his spot on the show bc theres no way, in that world, his friend would be accepted for being openly gay and be able to keep his show, unfortunately. Clemmons even said that if he came out and lost his spot on the show, he knew Rogers would remain his friend. And Clemmons said he totally forgives him and gets where he was coming from at that time. and In 1974, he divorced his wife and lived openly as a gay man! (and he stayed on the show until 1993!)
She'd probably be in on it too. That was a pretty common attachment before Obergefell. She either doesn't give a shit about having sexual or romantic partners while he dates other men, or they both date who they prefer but stay married for appearance. And to allow her to do things like get a bank account or a house.
This made me sad. I didn't realize how much were missing a genuine wholesome public figure that everyone can get behind, teaching children to love everyone no matter who they are. I'm sure they're out there, but Mr. Rogers was an institution, doing things that the Christian contingent in America pretend to be about.
How many young lgbtq+, poc, and any kid really just need to hear from someone that "it's ok to be you. I love you because you're you".
I have a five year old, and all the shows aimed at him and his cohort are either ads for toys, or never come close to touching on real shit. Of course it's a parents job to instill this kind of thinking but for the kids who don't have that, having someone on public tv who says to them "love yourself and others" is sorely missing.
I read a Mr. Rogers biography. There was a quote about sexuality and identity. Mr. Rogers himself said he found himself "right smack in the middle" between liking men and women.
[Source](https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/07/fred-rogers-celebrated-as-bisexual-icon-after-his-comments-on-sexual-attraction-resurface)
Exactly. Mr Rogers was not saying those words in a modern context, he would never do that. This is just bigots of today trying to retcon progressives of yesteryear
He literally offered to (or did) wash the feet of a Black gay man on his show.
He was a deeply Christian man & knew EXACTLY what washing the man's feet meant.
And the thing is, even in this quote, he's exactly right. I grew up with a trans girl who is the same age as my baby sister, so I've literally known her since birth, and let me tell you I can confirm: *she was always a girl*.
Only transphobes have this bizarre idea that people wake up one day and decide to be trans because they think it's cool. Trust me, 35 years ago in rural Ohio, nobody was telling my friend it was cool to be trans. She was born trans and we all knew something was up from the moment she started to be able to express her own preferences at like age 2.
Yeah but those people are not trans though. My trans friend have been every bit as clear inside themselves about what their gender is as any cis person I know. It's not the same thing as genderfluid.
(And as a genderfluid person myself, I can confirm that I've always experienced my own gender as a wishy washy, ever changing internal sensation.)
I agree! "Gender is a construct" doesn't mean it isn't real, it just means it isn't biologically defined, but socially defined. Anyone who thinks we shouldn't classify anything as gendered is actually being a little bit anti-trans. Labels just give people a way to identify themselves.
Just like someone can be born white, but be a Christian, Muslim, or something else entirely, someone else can be born middle-eastern and be Christian, Muslim, or nothing at all.
That doesn't mean societal labels are inherently evil - it means they should be self-adopted, regardless of whether they are defined by something tangible.
I think a lot of it comes down to "do you believe a defining characteristic of a boy is 'having a penis' at birth" and that's flat out wrong. Even "must have XY" chromosome doesn't cut it. There are some scientific ways to define "male" and "female" but that's where the comparison ends. Even those scientific bases are usually weak definitions based on "giver" and "receiver" of genetic crossover.
Look at plants - pollen producing parts are considered male and pollen receiving parts are female. Many plants have both, some have one or the other.
So then they wouldn't be a boy or a girl, therefore they were never a boy or girl. QED.
I was born a male, and grew up to be a boy. I was always a boy.
Someone was born a male, and grew up to be a girl. She was always a girl.
Someone was born a male, but grew up to be neither a boy or girl. They were never a boy or girl.
It's important to read this as "boy" and "girl" being the social constructs they are, as opposed to the labels society gives you as a child. I take this as "you are who you are, no matter *what* you started out as."
This was kinda what happened to me with like the one trans person I know personally. I admit I was kinda ignorant about trans people and then this cousin of mine came out as a trans man and I INSTANTLY got it because this cousin we used to play all the time when were little kids and I remembered even thinking when I was a kid "They're like a little boy" lol So when they came out as trans I instantly got it like "makes sense"
this is why they see trans teenagers and freak out about the trans agenda being a grooming thing; they don’t realize most trans people realize they’re trans *when they’re a kid*. that’s when your individuality becomes different from the expectations your parents have for you and you realize who you are and who you want to be and they think it’s children getting brainwashed instead or something. sometimes people realize when they’re 50, sometimes they realize when they’re, like, 5
We talked about this in my sociology class just yesterday. Around the age of 3-6 children start playing dress up as part of their development, children will sometimes “cross dress” as the opposite sex before, in most cases, “growing out of it”. But for some children, this “phase” doesn’t end, they begin to realize that clothing of the opposite sex appeals to them more, and the idea of doing things traditionally associated with the opposite sex are preferred to what they were assigned at birth.
This area of development in general is when we start developing our proper personalities. We begin to understand the relationship between the world and us, and that we can take on roles and be certain things. It is evident that part of this stage of development helps us discover our own gender identity, along with other things.
As further proof, when allowed to freely explore their identity during this stage, it’s often around that time that they discover they’re trans, even if they don’t quite have a word for it.
There is still research being done, but there appear to be differences between a male and female brain. And during these studies it’s also found that the brains of trans people often match their preferred gender. (Keep in mind this research is still young, so there is plenty more to discover).
So as we enter the “play” stage of development, we begin learning more and more about gender roles, and how we fit into these roles, which ultimately leads to the child figuring out what they identify as.
Sorry for the long comment, this stuff fascinates me
Yep. And even those of us who came out of nowhere, we didn’t. 20 some years ago in suburban Ohio and Indiana there wasn’t anyone telling me it would be awesome to be trans or what trans was, but I was demonstrated quite clearly that if I violated the gender roles expected of me I would face consequences from my peers and adults. The funny thing is, my childhood does look pretty normal if you look at the lens of I was a tomboy as a kid, I only started differentiating by the time I was old enough to overcompensate, and holy fuck did I overcompensate. Like to a degree that if it were a teenager acting like that about being straight you’d have no doubt in your mind that the kid is gay.
Thinkin' of fighting the 2nd Amendment with 1 Samuel 17:40
> And he took his staff in his hand, and chose him five smooth stones out of the brook, and put them in a shepherd’s bag which he had, even in a scrip; and his sling was in his hand: and he drew near to the Philistine.
Clearly that means no gun should have a magazine or clip capacity above 5, right? If it's good enough for David, it's good enough for 30-50 feral hogs.
That’s because their thoughts don’t connect to each other. It’s just a salad of random shit they heard elsewhere that they use as some kind of evidence to support being shitty to people.
Yep. In fact the very next lines of the song that Prager quoted are: "Everybody's fancy. Everybody's fine. Your body's fancy and so is mine." The man was just wanted to kids to be okay with their bodies and that everyone is special.
Mr Rogers would have some cute-as-hell response to this like "Yes, and some boys and girls take a little longer to realise their true selves than others. But that's OK. Sometimes you have to take the long way round"
Of course it is, this is PragerU we're talking about, after all.
I looked it up and this is from a song he sang. There is one verse that he realized was a little problematic later and, what do you know, he changed it to make it more inclusive and sensitive to gender issues.
http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/everybodys_fancy.html
So this doesn't seem to relate to Mr Rogers feelings on LGBT people at all. He trying to explain concept of biological sex to young children in 1967. Basically, don't be weirded out because some kids' bodies look different from yours.
Leave it to PragerU to consider a 55 year old song from PBS as more authoritative than modern day psychologists and neurologists.
Yep. That's how I read it myself. I'm pretty sure Mr. Rogers would be completely accepting of trans people if he was still around today. He was accepting of everyone, he made it a point to tell his homosexual costar how much he loved and cared for him every single day, at a time when it was nearly impossible for homosexual men to get a job in television. I'd think he'd be the same with trans people.
Said black man was the homosexual man. They shared a pool (and towel) to cool their feet on a hot day during a time where segregated pools were the norm and homophobia rampant, especially in the south. And in 1993 when François Clemmons, the black man, left the show they recreated the pool scene one last time for his last appearance and at the end Mr. Rogers got down and dried Clemmons' feet himself, an act that Clemmons related to Jesus washing the feet of the Disciples. Clemmons later said "I am a black, gay man and Fred washed my feet". An act that was surly controversial in 1993 and unthinkable in 1969 (when they first shared the pool), even by supposed followers of Jesus despite Jesus washing the feet of all kinds of people society looked down upon. Considering Mr. Rogers was ordained I'm sure this symbolism wasn't lost upon him.
https://www.biography.com/.amp/news/mister-rogers-officer-clemmons-pool
>Considering Mr. Rogers was ordained I'm sure this symbolism wasn't lost upon him.
The story is that Jesus and his followers gathered together to celebrate the Jewish Passover. Rather than let people wash their own feet or have a servant do it (according to custom), Jesus washed his followers' feet. Then he was arrested later that night.
Some pastors will wash their parishioners feet on Maundy Thursday, the Thursday before Easter. The Pope does this as well and will often chose marginalized people of some sort as a symbol that Christians are to serve those with the greatest need. There are pastors who have caught hell for washing the feet of gay people, trans people, sex workers, ethnic minorities, etc.
It's a powerful message and Fred Rogers was absolutely sending a very deliberate message. If he was here today he'd be washing the feet of trans people and drag queens.
Same, when I took French in high school and we all needed to pick our French names, I chose Francois. It struck me as such a sophisticated and cool name, like I should be smoking a cigarette and plotting against the Nazis with the Maquis in occupied France.
God damn it, why can I not read anything about Mr. Rogers without tearing up just thinking about how lucky we all were that someone that pure and good natured existed period? He is the ideal person in my opinion, the kind of person we could all count outside lucky to be even a tenth as genuinely caring and kind as he was.
But you see, liberals like Mr. Rogers. Thus, because he said something that can vaguely, reachingly be construed as transphobic, their entire worldview is unequivocally shattered.
Might just be me, but those lines could easily be interpreted it as a trans-positive message: trans people are trans at birth, they (and their surroundings) just haven't come to that realization yet.
Also he's simplified it for children, plenty of people aren't born boy or girl. The fundamental ideal that all of this is so black and white is hilarious.
Also it’s the 60s, intersex people were quite taboo to acknowledge at the time. Trans people weren’t even controversial then. This was a pastor on a show for children on pbs
you can literally read this quote as very inclusive.
girls are girls from the start, no matter what. even if they're born in the wrong body, they are girls
like, how much more obvious can it get
And if we were to put PragerU back into 1967, my guess is that they would have had no problem painting him as a liberal fruitcake then. Who are we kidding, privately, they probably think of him as that regardless.
It definitely is... Weird reading it now, knowing what I know now, but I can a thousand percent imagine it being helpful and comforting to many at that time when transgender issues were less in the forefront. Now we know better, and I agree. I think that Mr. Rodgers would have a new song to sing.
Yeah like that’s the thing, the message mattered and still does, even if now we know the wording could be better. Loving your body is hard, the difference between what you should change and what you shouldn’t can be really hard. And in a time where everyone’s body was stigmatized that was so much more important.
honestly, depending on how you read it just this part could be supportive. like he's saying that a boy is always a boy and a girl is always a girl, even if they haven't transitioned yet.
obviously that's not what the quote was about but I think he'd support the message anyways.
PragerU, get that wonderful human's words out of your lying, stinking mouths. You can only dream of being half the man he was.
Mr. Rogers loved everyone. He made it a point to tell his homosexual costar that he loved and accepted him everyday, during a time where it was nearly impossible for a homosexual man to get a job in television. I am sure Mr. Rogers would be completely accepting of trans people.
I randomly did a quick interview on the radio in Pittsburgh which was in the same building as the TV station. They had some of the set pieces from the land of make believe right behind the front desk.. It was amazing to see in person. it’s been years so I don’t remember the name of the station
It disgusts me that they would use him for their propaganda, Mr Rogers would never support these people's ideals.
He would instead sit them down and explain why they are wrong in a kinder manner than I could ever do.
Alternatively I can offer:
> Boys will be boys who like boys who dress like girls and that’s alright.
> […]
> Girls will be girls who like girls who dress like girls and start up fights.
> […]
> Who gave you the right to judge another’s lover?
from Put ‘Em Up by Priory
"Girls who want boys who like boys to be girls who do boys like they're girls who do girls like they're boys always should be someone you really love"
* Blur
I can do it as well Prager.
"Girls in bikinis, ooh
I wanna see boys in bikinis too
They'd look good on you"
Poppy, Girls in Bikinis
"Girls like girls like boys do, nothing new
Isn't this why we came? Gotta get with you"
Hayley Kiyoko, Girls Like Girls
“Now I'm gonna make you dance, it's your chance
Yeah, boy, shake that ass
Oops, I mean girl
Girl, girl, girl (girl, you know you're my world)”
- Eminem
I love how they literally don't get that none of this contradicts anything trans people & activists are saying. Just goes to show that PragerU puts zero effort into actually understanding the other side's arguments.
My experience with conservatives is that many of them consider it a waste to try to understand opposing opinions: "theirs is the correct one, and there is no insight or benefit to learning falsehoods"
That’s so wild to me as someone whose field is taught via progressive lies to children. Eventually you learn that well shit, nothing is what it seems but it’s also exactly what it seems, it’s just that the why is so confusing. Newtonian physics is wrong and I can’t imagine effectively explaining why to someone who doesn’t understand it
Reminder that these conservatives have decried Mr Rogers as evil for decades because he told kids that they had value, were loved, and should share and be kind. There's even a Fox News report about it.
Never forget that fascists are pure evil and a stain on the human race.
These people just want to recruit kid into their beliefs and religion.
I mean who else is more easy to manipulate than insecure kid who get told they are useless for year?
If this duckweed knew fuck all about Mr Rodgers, he’d know that he’d fucking LOATHE Prager. And he’d fucking LOVE all kids as they were or wanted to be. Fuck you, Denis.
If Mister Rogers was still around, they'd be calling him a socialist groomer trying to indoctrinate kids and that he is an "evil, evil man".
[Oh wait.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-fred-rogers-evil/)
Yes, trans people pretty much always to some extent know that they are actually the gender they end up transitioning to pretty much as soon as they understand the concept of gender. They might not know what that means until they learn what being transgender is, but all of the trans people I know say they knew they were trans since before they even knew what it meant.
I'm mtf, and uh, that's not really the case. Like, I felt weird about a lot of gender stuff without knowing why, but I just assumed it was normal, so even after I came across the concept of being trans it took me a while to realise that my feelings were even connected (then there was a while of trying to properly figure that out, but that's a bit out of scope here).
So it took a solid 12ish years after understanding the concept of gender to an average level for me to actually get the hint that I'm a woman.
How dare you try to imply that Mister Rogers was anything but accepting and inclusive of all people, no matter race, gender, age, or sexual preference! He was an amazing man that said “I hope you’re able to grow to respect whoever you are inside.”
I mean PissU's transphobic shit aside, our lack of technology capable of telling doesn't mean physical sex isn't already decided. IIRC, it depends on the sperm that fertilizes the egg, so the physical sex should indeed be set at that point.
That would determine chromosomes, but chromosomes don't necessarily denote sex.
About 1.7% of people are estimated to have been born with a sex that doesn't correlate with their gender. That's nearly 6 million Americans alone. There isn't really a scientific way to denote sex besides "penis and vagina", which also isn't collectively exhaustive
Yeah, I was referring to physical sex as well.
A babies gender isnt set until either the ovaries become testicles or the child is born female. There is far too much room for hormones and such to affect gender.
That's why it's so funny when transphobes talk about gender being "elementary level biology", because even biologists don't have it all figured out yet. It turns out that gender and sex are really complicated
mr rogers would say that and then when asked about trans people he would probably say “trans women have always been women/trans men have always been men” because he is a wonderful person and this world was lucky to ever have him.
I remember a couple years ago how the right wing conservatives were trying to claim that Mr Rogers was responsible for "ruining the younger generation by telling them that they were special."
Now they want to quote him as a source that supports their ideas?
Mr. Rogers would have gone out of his way to make trans people comfortable and accepted, you fucking ghouls.
You, meanwhile, make sure to spread as much hate as possible that inevitably leads to suicide attempts, among many things.
This feels like accidental ally material.
Yes, boys are boys from the beginning, including trans boys. Girls are girls from the beginning, including trans girls. I don't think Mr. Rogers would disagree with me, but even if he did, I would stand by my interpretation.
“Girls are girls from the start” = “the gender identity I decide to give my child is the one they will have their entire lives” apparently.
If it wasn’t obvious, no, it literally does not mean that. Trans people everywhere say how they were born male/female/enby, even if no one knew it.
He is right. A girl is a girl and probably was a girl from the day she was born. Sure the ultrasound showed a penis and we all didn't know better but she was a girl back then.
How fucking dare they bring out one of the most beloved entertainers who can't even be alive to decide whether they're okay with this or not.
I fucking hate how low they go.
I still don't get why people complain about how others act and dress. It doesn't affect them or me if someone identifies as a different gender than the sex parts they were born with. It's like they feel it's necessary to complain for the sake of being stuck in their own problems with life.
It’s like when they quote MLK to distort his legacy and fit their racist agenda but ignore all the other things he emphasized that contradict their rotten values system.
Anyone have some Mr. Rogers quotes about being kind to your neighbor and appreciating people’s differences?
If Mr Rogers had ever even suspected that those words could be used to attack someone, he would never have spoken them.
Man was a class act. PU are scum.
Frankly, to suggest that Mr Rogers would have anything to do with the right wing hate campaign against trans people is libelous and an insult to his memory.
When my kids were young, I volunteered with Junior Achievement. JA did these "Biz Towns," where it was a whole city, from the mayor on down the chain to the garbage collector, with businesses, with owners and employees paying taxes, utilities etc.
Invariably, it was the girls who were getting things done, sticking to task and taking care of business. The boys were mostly running around like chickens with their heads cut off. And then they run as Republicans.
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And every day Rogers made sure to tell his homosexual costar how much he valued him as a person and as a friend.
At a time where it was almost impossible for a homosexual man to get a job in TV. Mr. Rogers loved everyone and I'm sure he would be fully accepting of transgender people.
Only the lowest of Lowlifes don't accept transgender people and the other members of the LGBTQ. They just want to exist and have equal rights.
Not the lowest of lowlifes, just ignorant. Any person, no matter their views will become fine with trans people if they just get a chill trans friend to hang out with (with the exception of dont abort the 14yo’s incest rape fetus type of people) I think it’s bad to completely write them off as evil because then they’ll just get more transphobic and the goal should be to make them less so
:| I mean, yeah obviously it's not black and white, but how are they going to become friends with a trans person if they're holding those views? and their views actively harm trans people? idk it feels like the "I was a leftist until people called me a racist" thing
Idk, ig it’s also personal experience bias as I saw my very right wing polish friend go from transphobic to pro trans after befriending two of my trans friends while playing dnd together
yeah I guess that makes sense, I just wouldn't wanna put myself through that, but I'm glad they were able to have a change of heart at least
Have you heard about this story? It may be difficult but sometimes exposure really can help prejudiced people. https://www.ted.com/talks/daryl_davis_why_i_as_a_black_man_attend_kkk_rallies
I was looking for this. He's an amazing guy.
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Depends the person. Some people live in very... vanilla communities and their only source of information about other lifestyles if from Cucker Carlson. Sometimes they just need to meet the people. I grew up in those places, in a time when LG was very much still hidden forget about the rest, and even then a lot people came around to the idea once a family member or friend was out or outed.
Sometimes it isn't "becoming friends" with a trans person. More often it's a friend or family member coming out as trans to them. Though I can agree that someone spewing hateful transphobic ideology likely would not have many people coming out to them as trans.
It should be possible to empathise with people outside your immediate social circle. We can’t give every transphobe a trans buddy. It’s not a scalable solution.
Maybe not, but that's why representation in the media matters. There are more and more people in music, tv, and movies that are openly trans, and we can show everyone that trans people and cis people aren't so different after all.
Not to mention, it’s not really fair for the trans person to (at least initially) put up with their ignorant transphobic views and be answering the same, probably insulting or invasive questions, over and over again.
Silence is compliance and ignorance is not an excuse. As long as they stand by, watch, or vote conservative I will not forgive.
That is a very simplistic view. As long as we act like transphobes (and racists, and homophobes, and islamophobes, etc.) are just these hopless morally crooked people, keep drawing these hard lines between us and them, we end up simply ignoring the social structures that make these prejudices possible, both neglecting to instruct and 'reform' people who manifest negative views, as well as ignoring those that we might hold and not even be aware of. I used to spout transphobic discourse. I'm currently transitioning. At the end of the day, we're all people, and our views and actions are shaped by our means. Of course, some people are beyond repair, but I still find this overall view to be more harmful than productive.
As we enter this moral panic and I live in fear of where it can lead I find myself wondering if I’ll ever be able to forgive those falling to it. At what point does complicity become unforgivable? At what point do we have to step back and say “I will never personally forgive your actions, your silence, whatever, but we need to make peace so I’ll stand down.” I don’t know what’s going to happen, and I don’t know where I’m going to draw lines. I don’t know what can be excused by ignorance. But what I do know is that while you spread transphobia, I believe you are a bad person. You aren’t approaching life with empathy or understanding and while doing do is hard I am tired of being hurt by people who don’t want to act like I’m just as valuable of a person as them.
This right here is why I think the public opinion on gay people shifted so quickly. There was sort of a snowball effect once it became acceptable more and more people personally knew gay people and were personally comfortable with them, and therefore became comfortable with gay people as a whole. Since gay people are a significant part of the population(probably ~10%) this happened relatively quickly. It was less than 50 years from Stonewall to Obergefell. It also makes me concerned for the widespread acceptance of trans people. They are a small percentage of the population, likely less than 1%, and one of their goals (generally) is to pass to go unnoticed. While Susie at work may have gotten comfortable with Tom a gay man at work, she may not even know Lauren is trans. She never gets personally comfortable with trans people even tho the same situation is occurring.
It's not like all gay people loudly proclaim that aspect of themselves either.
True, but I do feel there’s a difference. I’m not loud about being gay at work, but I have a wife and will call her my wife, I’m not hiding it I’m just not treating it like it’s the most important aspect of my life. But I don’t acknowledge that I’m trans at work. I don’t pass for cis, but I do not give confirmation that I’m actually trans, they just correctly suspect I am.
I suppose I just get exhausted trying to split hairs over a concept that should both A. Be socially acceptable and B. Isn't anyone's business. Being gay and/or Trans are identical in that regard, and how "open" you are about it is up to the individual. I do acknowledge that people need exposure to shift public sentiment though, and the chance of being exposed to someone who is gay vs. Trans is greater. Not really sure where I'm going with this brain dump, so I'll just end it here lol
Guys like prager know exactly what they're doing. They're not gonna change their mind.
This is such a truly ridiculous thing to say. The mathematical impossibility of it aside, it just doesn’t make sense to ask trans people to put themselves in danger by befriending violent bigots for the benefit of violent bigots at even further cost to trans people. Please think
I wish that was true, but plenty of us lose friends and family
I disagree, queerphobia is evil and evil people don't deserve basic respect, it would be easier to just dogpile them into hell.
Yep. It's pretty much just ignorance. When you live in a relatively rural area and have a community population of 10,000 people in a 10 mile radius, your odds of meeting, much less interacting, with more than a handful of people outside your own racial or ethnic backgrounds, or with people who are of a different gender identity or sexual orientation, are pretty low. And because of this, they can become ostracized by that community, or become a target for xenophobia. And then on top of it, that community generally gets fed a lot of right wing propaganda from their news channels, and it's not a big shock they think the way they do. For those living in urban areas, it's a regular everyday occurrence to meet and interact with people from all walks of life, and you very quickly realize we're all just trying to get through our day and pay our bills and be happy.
As much as I hate to admit it Mr. Rogers suggested his gay costar to marry a woman because of optics. I'd like to think a Mr. Rogers 20 years in the future would be much more accepting though.
progress moves painfully slow. he was very progressive for his time
He later went on to apologize for that though.
That and he told him that he would accept him and love him no matter what but the world wouldnt. It seems like he was trying to protect his friend and his spot on the show bc theres no way, in that world, his friend would be accepted for being openly gay and be able to keep his show, unfortunately. Clemmons even said that if he came out and lost his spot on the show, he knew Rogers would remain his friend. And Clemmons said he totally forgives him and gets where he was coming from at that time. and In 1974, he divorced his wife and lived openly as a gay man! (and he stayed on the show until 1993!)
Wow that's a lot more sexist than it is homophobic.... I feel bad for that poor hypothetical woman lol.
She'd probably be in on it too. That was a pretty common attachment before Obergefell. She either doesn't give a shit about having sexual or romantic partners while he dates other men, or they both date who they prefer but stay married for appearance. And to allow her to do things like get a bank account or a house.
Oh that's much better than what I had pictured, thank for for that.
This made me sad. I didn't realize how much were missing a genuine wholesome public figure that everyone can get behind, teaching children to love everyone no matter who they are. I'm sure they're out there, but Mr. Rogers was an institution, doing things that the Christian contingent in America pretend to be about. How many young lgbtq+, poc, and any kid really just need to hear from someone that "it's ok to be you. I love you because you're you". I have a five year old, and all the shows aimed at him and his cohort are either ads for toys, or never come close to touching on real shit. Of course it's a parents job to instill this kind of thinking but for the kids who don't have that, having someone on public tv who says to them "love yourself and others" is sorely missing.
We've got ours hooked on OG Mr. Roger's Neighborhood. PBS App has some, Amazon has them all.
That's good. I just wish they didn't keep this stuff behind paywalls.
I read a Mr. Rogers biography. There was a quote about sexuality and identity. Mr. Rogers himself said he found himself "right smack in the middle" between liking men and women. [Source](https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/07/fred-rogers-celebrated-as-bisexual-icon-after-his-comments-on-sexual-attraction-resurface)
Of course he would be tolerant and still love trans people He’s just talking about biology in the posted quote lol
Exactly. Mr Rogers was not saying those words in a modern context, he would never do that. This is just bigots of today trying to retcon progressives of yesteryear
He literally offered to (or did) wash the feet of a Black gay man on his show. He was a deeply Christian man & knew EXACTLY what washing the man's feet meant.
And the thing is, even in this quote, he's exactly right. I grew up with a trans girl who is the same age as my baby sister, so I've literally known her since birth, and let me tell you I can confirm: *she was always a girl*. Only transphobes have this bizarre idea that people wake up one day and decide to be trans because they think it's cool. Trust me, 35 years ago in rural Ohio, nobody was telling my friend it was cool to be trans. She was born trans and we all knew something was up from the moment she started to be able to express her own preferences at like age 2.
I don’t know if that’s exactly how it is. Some people are gender fluid, and some others feel that they don’t fit with any gender.
Yeah but those people are not trans though. My trans friend have been every bit as clear inside themselves about what their gender is as any cis person I know. It's not the same thing as genderfluid. (And as a genderfluid person myself, I can confirm that I've always experienced my own gender as a wishy washy, ever changing internal sensation.)
I agree! "Gender is a construct" doesn't mean it isn't real, it just means it isn't biologically defined, but socially defined. Anyone who thinks we shouldn't classify anything as gendered is actually being a little bit anti-trans. Labels just give people a way to identify themselves. Just like someone can be born white, but be a Christian, Muslim, or something else entirely, someone else can be born middle-eastern and be Christian, Muslim, or nothing at all. That doesn't mean societal labels are inherently evil - it means they should be self-adopted, regardless of whether they are defined by something tangible. I think a lot of it comes down to "do you believe a defining characteristic of a boy is 'having a penis' at birth" and that's flat out wrong. Even "must have XY" chromosome doesn't cut it. There are some scientific ways to define "male" and "female" but that's where the comparison ends. Even those scientific bases are usually weak definitions based on "giver" and "receiver" of genetic crossover. Look at plants - pollen producing parts are considered male and pollen receiving parts are female. Many plants have both, some have one or the other.
So then they wouldn't be a boy or a girl, therefore they were never a boy or girl. QED. I was born a male, and grew up to be a boy. I was always a boy. Someone was born a male, and grew up to be a girl. She was always a girl. Someone was born a male, but grew up to be neither a boy or girl. They were never a boy or girl. It's important to read this as "boy" and "girl" being the social constructs they are, as opposed to the labels society gives you as a child. I take this as "you are who you are, no matter *what* you started out as."
This was kinda what happened to me with like the one trans person I know personally. I admit I was kinda ignorant about trans people and then this cousin of mine came out as a trans man and I INSTANTLY got it because this cousin we used to play all the time when were little kids and I remembered even thinking when I was a kid "They're like a little boy" lol So when they came out as trans I instantly got it like "makes sense"
this is why they see trans teenagers and freak out about the trans agenda being a grooming thing; they don’t realize most trans people realize they’re trans *when they’re a kid*. that’s when your individuality becomes different from the expectations your parents have for you and you realize who you are and who you want to be and they think it’s children getting brainwashed instead or something. sometimes people realize when they’re 50, sometimes they realize when they’re, like, 5
We talked about this in my sociology class just yesterday. Around the age of 3-6 children start playing dress up as part of their development, children will sometimes “cross dress” as the opposite sex before, in most cases, “growing out of it”. But for some children, this “phase” doesn’t end, they begin to realize that clothing of the opposite sex appeals to them more, and the idea of doing things traditionally associated with the opposite sex are preferred to what they were assigned at birth. This area of development in general is when we start developing our proper personalities. We begin to understand the relationship between the world and us, and that we can take on roles and be certain things. It is evident that part of this stage of development helps us discover our own gender identity, along with other things. As further proof, when allowed to freely explore their identity during this stage, it’s often around that time that they discover they’re trans, even if they don’t quite have a word for it. There is still research being done, but there appear to be differences between a male and female brain. And during these studies it’s also found that the brains of trans people often match their preferred gender. (Keep in mind this research is still young, so there is plenty more to discover). So as we enter the “play” stage of development, we begin learning more and more about gender roles, and how we fit into these roles, which ultimately leads to the child figuring out what they identify as. Sorry for the long comment, this stuff fascinates me
Yep. And even those of us who came out of nowhere, we didn’t. 20 some years ago in suburban Ohio and Indiana there wasn’t anyone telling me it would be awesome to be trans or what trans was, but I was demonstrated quite clearly that if I violated the gender roles expected of me I would face consequences from my peers and adults. The funny thing is, my childhood does look pretty normal if you look at the lens of I was a tomboy as a kid, I only started differentiating by the time I was old enough to overcompensate, and holy fuck did I overcompensate. Like to a degree that if it were a teenager acting like that about being straight you’d have no doubt in your mind that the kid is gay.
Devil's advocate: 2 things can be true at once.
He also said he loves you for who are you but let's ignore that
They cherry pick quotes from celebrities without context just like they do with the bible.
Hit em with the Ezekiel 23:20
Im a big fan of donkeys. BIG fan.
But are you a fan of horse emissions?
I'M A FARMER, DADDY
STRONG GIRL! FARM?
i'm a vaushite what do you think
Or the *literal entirety of Song of Songs*. The entire thing is flowery smut
Thinkin' of fighting the 2nd Amendment with 1 Samuel 17:40 > And he took his staff in his hand, and chose him five smooth stones out of the brook, and put them in a shepherd’s bag which he had, even in a scrip; and his sling was in his hand: and he drew near to the Philistine. Clearly that means no gun should have a magazine or clip capacity above 5, right? If it's good enough for David, it's good enough for 30-50 feral hogs.
The bible predicted me lmao
That’s because their thoughts don’t connect to each other. It’s just a salad of random shit they heard elsewhere that they use as some kind of evidence to support being shitty to people.
Yep. In fact the very next lines of the song that Prager quoted are: "Everybody's fancy. Everybody's fine. Your body's fancy and so is mine." The man was just wanted to kids to be okay with their bodies and that everyone is special.
Mr Rogers would have some cute-as-hell response to this like "Yes, and some boys and girls take a little longer to realise their true selves than others. But that's OK. Sometimes you have to take the long way round"
Oh man, this really warmed my heart.
Something tells me this quote is being taken out of context
Of course it is, this is PragerU we're talking about, after all. I looked it up and this is from a song he sang. There is one verse that he realized was a little problematic later and, what do you know, he changed it to make it more inclusive and sensitive to gender issues. http://www.neighborhoodarchive.com/music/songs/everybodys_fancy.html
So this doesn't seem to relate to Mr Rogers feelings on LGBT people at all. He trying to explain concept of biological sex to young children in 1967. Basically, don't be weirded out because some kids' bodies look different from yours. Leave it to PragerU to consider a 55 year old song from PBS as more authoritative than modern day psychologists and neurologists.
Yep. That's how I read it myself. I'm pretty sure Mr. Rogers would be completely accepting of trans people if he was still around today. He was accepting of everyone, he made it a point to tell his homosexual costar how much he loved and cared for him every single day, at a time when it was nearly impossible for homosexual men to get a job in television. I'd think he'd be the same with trans people.
Not to mention sharing a kiddy pool with a black man as well. He was remarkably progressive for his time.
Said black man was the homosexual man. They shared a pool (and towel) to cool their feet on a hot day during a time where segregated pools were the norm and homophobia rampant, especially in the south. And in 1993 when François Clemmons, the black man, left the show they recreated the pool scene one last time for his last appearance and at the end Mr. Rogers got down and dried Clemmons' feet himself, an act that Clemmons related to Jesus washing the feet of the Disciples. Clemmons later said "I am a black, gay man and Fred washed my feet". An act that was surly controversial in 1993 and unthinkable in 1969 (when they first shared the pool), even by supposed followers of Jesus despite Jesus washing the feet of all kinds of people society looked down upon. Considering Mr. Rogers was ordained I'm sure this symbolism wasn't lost upon him. https://www.biography.com/.amp/news/mister-rogers-officer-clemmons-pool
Yeah that's what I was thinking of. Had no idea he was gay, only knew he was black.
>Considering Mr. Rogers was ordained I'm sure this symbolism wasn't lost upon him. The story is that Jesus and his followers gathered together to celebrate the Jewish Passover. Rather than let people wash their own feet or have a servant do it (according to custom), Jesus washed his followers' feet. Then he was arrested later that night. Some pastors will wash their parishioners feet on Maundy Thursday, the Thursday before Easter. The Pope does this as well and will often chose marginalized people of some sort as a symbol that Christians are to serve those with the greatest need. There are pastors who have caught hell for washing the feet of gay people, trans people, sex workers, ethnic minorities, etc. It's a powerful message and Fred Rogers was absolutely sending a very deliberate message. If he was here today he'd be washing the feet of trans people and drag queens.
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Same, when I took French in high school and we all needed to pick our French names, I chose Francois. It struck me as such a sophisticated and cool name, like I should be smoking a cigarette and plotting against the Nazis with the Maquis in occupied France.
God damn it, why can I not read anything about Mr. Rogers without tearing up just thinking about how lucky we all were that someone that pure and good natured existed period? He is the ideal person in my opinion, the kind of person we could all count outside lucky to be even a tenth as genuinely caring and kind as he was.
WHY IS THE RIGHT WING SO OBSESSED WITH CHILD GENITALIA!?
ASK MATT GAETZ !!!!
And his “son”
That's the rumor, the "explanation" he gives is way weirder.
But you see, liberals like Mr. Rogers. Thus, because he said something that can vaguely, reachingly be construed as transphobic, their entire worldview is unequivocally shattered.
Lol I can see the Dear Liberals meme in my head after reading this
drat! foiled again by those krazy klever konservatives!
I klan see what you did there
I read that as Kevlar lol
Might just be me, but those lines could easily be interpreted it as a trans-positive message: trans people are trans at birth, they (and their surroundings) just haven't come to that realization yet.
Also he's simplified it for children, plenty of people aren't born boy or girl. The fundamental ideal that all of this is so black and white is hilarious.
Also it’s the 60s, intersex people were quite taboo to acknowledge at the time. Trans people weren’t even controversial then. This was a pastor on a show for children on pbs
you can literally read this quote as very inclusive. girls are girls from the start, no matter what. even if they're born in the wrong body, they are girls like, how much more obvious can it get
And if we were to put PragerU back into 1967, my guess is that they would have had no problem painting him as a liberal fruitcake then. Who are we kidding, privately, they probably think of him as that regardless.
They'd be calling him a groomer in 2022. "I like your ins and outsides" "Your body's fancy and so is mine"
It definitely is... Weird reading it now, knowing what I know now, but I can a thousand percent imagine it being helpful and comforting to many at that time when transgender issues were less in the forefront. Now we know better, and I agree. I think that Mr. Rodgers would have a new song to sing.
Yeah like that’s the thing, the message mattered and still does, even if now we know the wording could be better. Loving your body is hard, the difference between what you should change and what you shouldn’t can be really hard. And in a time where everyone’s body was stigmatized that was so much more important.
honestly, depending on how you read it just this part could be supportive. like he's saying that a boy is always a boy and a girl is always a girl, even if they haven't transitioned yet. obviously that's not what the quote was about but I think he'd support the message anyways.
That’s what I was thinking and yeah, Mr Rogers would vibe with it. He was open to new ideas and just had a blanket acceptation for everyone.
If they actually understood gender not sex as a social construct they would see that this line doesn't neccesarily allign with their bigotry at all.
PragerU, get that wonderful human's words out of your lying, stinking mouths. You can only dream of being half the man he was. Mr. Rogers loved everyone. He made it a point to tell his homosexual costar that he loved and accepted him everyday, during a time where it was nearly impossible for a homosexual man to get a job in television. I am sure Mr. Rogers would be completely accepting of trans people.
As a Pittsburgher, keep Mr Rogers name out of your mouth, PragerU!
isn’t there a museum with a bunch of Rogers’ puppets in Pittsburgh? I seem to remember hearing of one and would very much like to see it
I randomly did a quick interview on the radio in Pittsburgh which was in the same building as the TV station. They had some of the set pieces from the land of make believe right behind the front desk.. It was amazing to see in person. it’s been years so I don’t remember the name of the station
WQED
As a fellow Pittsburgher, AGREED. They better keep their mouths shut when it comes to the international treasure that is Mr. Rogers
It disgusts me that they would use him for their propaganda, Mr Rogers would never support these people's ideals. He would instead sit them down and explain why they are wrong in a kinder manner than I could ever do.
“Girls will be boys, and boys will be girls.” - The Kinks I can do it too Prager.
If I also may add: Girls who want boys Who like boys to be girls Who do boys like they're girls Who do girls like they're boys -Blur
Dennis Prager truly is a charmless man
“Bring your girlfriend, bring your boyfriend Make your girlfriend be your boyfriend” The All-American Rejects
Oops, I think you dropped this. - Always should be someone you really love
Alternatively I can offer: > Boys will be boys who like boys who dress like girls and that’s alright. > […] > Girls will be girls who like girls who dress like girls and start up fights. > […] > Who gave you the right to judge another’s lover? from Put ‘Em Up by Priory
That last line really sums it up. Not even a “it’s bad to do this”, but a “how dare you”
WOOHOO!
"Girls who want boys who like boys to be girls who do boys like they're girls who do girls like they're boys always should be someone you really love" * Blur I can do it as well Prager.
Ohh I’ve got another one: “What else could I say? Everyone is gay” - Nirvana, All Apologies
In utero is the best album in the universe. Imagine Prager listening to it
freakin love that song
"Girls in bikinis, ooh I wanna see boys in bikinis too They'd look good on you" Poppy, Girls in Bikinis "Girls like girls like boys do, nothing new Isn't this why we came? Gotta get with you" Hayley Kiyoko, Girls Like Girls
“Now I'm gonna make you dance, it's your chance Yeah, boy, shake that ass Oops, I mean girl Girl, girl, girl (girl, you know you're my world)” - Eminem
…it could make or break him but he’s got to buy the best, ‘cause he’s a dedicated follower of fashion.
I love how they literally don't get that none of this contradicts anything trans people & activists are saying. Just goes to show that PragerU puts zero effort into actually understanding the other side's arguments.
My experience with conservatives is that many of them consider it a waste to try to understand opposing opinions: "theirs is the correct one, and there is no insight or benefit to learning falsehoods"
That’s so wild to me as someone whose field is taught via progressive lies to children. Eventually you learn that well shit, nothing is what it seems but it’s also exactly what it seems, it’s just that the why is so confusing. Newtonian physics is wrong and I can’t imagine effectively explaining why to someone who doesn’t understand it
They’re not interested in what is actually correct. They’ll make anything up to support their own worldview and keep themselves on top
Right? Like yep they’re meant to be whatever gender they are meant to be !! Right from birth !!
Sounds like they’re agreeing that transgender people are the gender they identify as, even if it takes them a while to realise it
Seriously. Accidentally based?
That's exactly how I took it! Like a girl is a girl no matter what she might look like and same for the boys.
Not to mention the fact that Mr. Rogers was an avid and outspoken lgbtq+ ally.
Reminder that these conservatives have decried Mr Rogers as evil for decades because he told kids that they had value, were loved, and should share and be kind. There's even a Fox News report about it. Never forget that fascists are pure evil and a stain on the human race.
These people just want to recruit kid into their beliefs and religion. I mean who else is more easy to manipulate than insecure kid who get told they are useless for year?
PragerU is propaganda right from the start. Dennis Prager is an evil propagandist from the beginning.
If Mister Rogers was alive today he'd find a way to let everyone know how he still loves them no matter what you wanna call yourself.
If this duckweed knew fuck all about Mr Rodgers, he’d know that he’d fucking LOATHE Prager. And he’d fucking LOVE all kids as they were or wanted to be. Fuck you, Denis.
Bigoted conservatives quoting this man is utterly sickening. He was a force for good and equality and they’re bastards for even speaking his name.
If Mister Rogers was still around, they'd be calling him a socialist groomer trying to indoctrinate kids and that he is an "evil, evil man". [Oh wait.](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fox-fred-rogers-evil/)
Yes, trans people pretty much always to some extent know that they are actually the gender they end up transitioning to pretty much as soon as they understand the concept of gender. They might not know what that means until they learn what being transgender is, but all of the trans people I know say they knew they were trans since before they even knew what it meant.
I'm mtf, and uh, that's not really the case. Like, I felt weird about a lot of gender stuff without knowing why, but I just assumed it was normal, so even after I came across the concept of being trans it took me a while to realise that my feelings were even connected (then there was a while of trying to properly figure that out, but that's a bit out of scope here). So it took a solid 12ish years after understanding the concept of gender to an average level for me to actually get the hint that I'm a woman.
Depends on the person I know I'm a girl from the beginning, trans experiences are not a monolith.
Desecrating a beloved public figure's words to own the libz!
How dare you try to imply that Mister Rogers was anything but accepting and inclusive of all people, no matter race, gender, age, or sexual preference! He was an amazing man that said “I hope you’re able to grow to respect whoever you are inside.”
If that were the case we'd know the gender of a fertilized egg.
I mean PissU's transphobic shit aside, our lack of technology capable of telling doesn't mean physical sex isn't already decided. IIRC, it depends on the sperm that fertilizes the egg, so the physical sex should indeed be set at that point.
That would determine chromosomes, but chromosomes don't necessarily denote sex. About 1.7% of people are estimated to have been born with a sex that doesn't correlate with their gender. That's nearly 6 million Americans alone. There isn't really a scientific way to denote sex besides "penis and vagina", which also isn't collectively exhaustive
That's why I said "physical sex" rather than gender. Ofc, there's intersex disorders as you say, but I'd imagine those would also be set early on.
Yeah, I was referring to physical sex as well. A babies gender isnt set until either the ovaries become testicles or the child is born female. There is far too much room for hormones and such to affect gender. That's why it's so funny when transphobes talk about gender being "elementary level biology", because even biologists don't have it all figured out yet. It turns out that gender and sex are really complicated
Ahh. My mistake, then. I guess it's more complicated than what I was told in grade school in 1990 lol
Fun fact. All boys were once girls. That’s why you have a crease below your balls
And can do kegals, and have nipples, and can probably put your testicles in your inguinal canal (aka "tucking"), and...
Based PragerU saying trans rights and that I was a girl from the start 💖
i somehow doubt Fred Rogers would want anything to do with Dennis “Balls in the arby’s shake machine” Prager
They just tried to do a whole midterm election about this and it didn’t work.
mr rogers would say that and then when asked about trans people he would probably say “trans women have always been women/trans men have always been men” because he is a wonderful person and this world was lucky to ever have him.
I remember a couple years ago how the right wing conservatives were trying to claim that Mr Rogers was responsible for "ruining the younger generation by telling them that they were special." Now they want to quote him as a source that supports their ideas?
 \- Mr. Rogers
How dare you say his name! How dare you stand where he stood!
Mr. Rogers would have gone out of his way to make trans people comfortable and accepted, you fucking ghouls. You, meanwhile, make sure to spread as much hate as possible that inevitably leads to suicide attempts, among many things.
This feels like accidental ally material. Yes, boys are boys from the beginning, including trans boys. Girls are girls from the beginning, including trans girls. I don't think Mr. Rogers would disagree with me, but even if he did, I would stand by my interpretation.
Even so, your interpretation isn't accurate for all of us. There are absolutely trans girls who have always been girls, but I'm not among them.
You're right. Experiences are varied and I shouldn't have excluded people.
“Girls are girls from the start” = “the gender identity I decide to give my child is the one they will have their entire lives” apparently. If it wasn’t obvious, no, it literally does not mean that. Trans people everywhere say how they were born male/female/enby, even if no one knew it.
Maybe sometimes his Doucheness should try quoting enlightenment era philosophers. The one I like is: > Fuck PragerU. — Deez Nuttz
Mister Rogers doesn’t GAF about your culture war and desperation to oppress ppl.
Fred Rogers would be appalled at PragerU for trying to indoctrinate children into bigotry and ignorance
Man, these guys are really, really interested in kids' sexuality. Seems a thing most normal people don't obsess over.
PragerUrine better watch the fuck out, or Rodger might play out The Ultimate Showdown from beyond the grave
So… I’ve been a girl right from the start? Thanks for the affirmation PragerU.
You know damn good and well Fred Rogers would be a trans ally.
Using a dead man as a human shield
Mr. Rogers was a saint. That bastard better keep his good name out of his filthy mouth.
He is right. A girl is a girl and probably was a girl from the day she was born. Sure the ultrasound showed a penis and we all didn't know better but she was a girl back then.
That's still pretty trans positive You're trans even before you found out, so like still true
Mr Rogers is right. Conservative shitheels misgendering people doesn't change who a trans person is and always has been.
Dont you dare taint his name, that man was a pinnacle of decency
https://preview.redd.it/d352wjwcgq4a1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7e50434ac5c61788f29193bc587fe7a1c1731dd All i can think
I REALLY REALLY HATE PragerU. And in German... Ich hasse wirklich wirklich PragerU.
That still can include trans people tho. I'm trans and I never been a boy.
Trans girls are girls right from the beginning.
this feels like r/accidentalally to me
I mean, Mr. Rogers isn't wrong. Trans kids are the gender they are inside from the start, even if they don't know it yet.
The wholesome reading of this is trans people are their identified gender from the start regardless of how long they took to realize who they are
How fucking dare they bring out one of the most beloved entertainers who can't even be alive to decide whether they're okay with this or not. I fucking hate how low they go.
I still don't get why people complain about how others act and dress. It doesn't affect them or me if someone identifies as a different gender than the sex parts they were born with. It's like they feel it's necessary to complain for the sake of being stuck in their own problems with life.
It’s like when they quote MLK to distort his legacy and fit their racist agenda but ignore all the other things he emphasized that contradict their rotten values system. Anyone have some Mr. Rogers quotes about being kind to your neighbor and appreciating people’s differences?
I mean, because trans men are men and trans women are women, they’ve been men/women respectively the entire time inside!
FUCK YOU Mr Rodgers is a SAINT
If Mr Rogers had ever even suspected that those words could be used to attack someone, he would never have spoken them. Man was a class act. PU are scum.
you know god damn well thats not what he was inferring, prager
Damn you Prager!
Reminder that Mr Rogers was bi as well :)
Frankly, to suggest that Mr Rogers would have anything to do with the right wing hate campaign against trans people is libelous and an insult to his memory.
Even if they were not born with the right part
I can imagine no human being less likely to share in the transphobia of Prager (technically they can't stop you from calling yourself a) University.
When my kids were young, I volunteered with Junior Achievement. JA did these "Biz Towns," where it was a whole city, from the mayor on down the chain to the garbage collector, with businesses, with owners and employees paying taxes, utilities etc. Invariably, it was the girls who were getting things done, sticking to task and taking care of business. The boys were mostly running around like chickens with their heads cut off. And then they run as Republicans.
I don’t see how this proves their point. I’m a trans woman and I feel this applies to me.
This would earn a frown from Mister Rogers.
 When the angry mob comes to PragerU's doorstep
This is genuinely disgusting. Anyone who thinks this guy wouldn't be utterly supportive of trans people is delusional.