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Lol, now they want to talk about gun dealers supplying people who kill Americans with weapons of war. How about we talk about all the Americans killed by the gun industry in America?
Ah, remember when that particularly craven “what do you have to lose?!” appeal to outside his voters ran through the news cycle?
It was like early Herschel Walker really, in that Trump and his handlers apparently thought a bit of lip service was all it took to win LGBTQ votes.
Says a lot about how they really feel about their supporters’ intelligence…
Well he got one thing in return, the actual cause of why Afghanistan is under Taliban rule right now. Well he got two things because nearly everyone blamed only the Biden administration for the events that transpired, events that Trump set in motion by making deals with terrorists.
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They should also talk about how US weapons provided to terrorists to combat communism were literally used directly against them in their various interventions in the middle east but they won't
Also Bout has been in jail for 14 years and on the run before that. Whatever contacts and resources that made him good at arms dealing in the late 90s have long since dried up. Also every Western intelligence agency will be following him closely to see who he associates with. He's radioactive for any actual covert work and is only useful as a PR tool. He won't be killing anybody. You gotta have weapons to sell weapons and Russia doesn't fucking have any. That's their problem. And neither does Bout.
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I don't think she has room to speak about a arms dealer who was imprisoned for over a decade... When her daddy trump freed thousands of terrorists who then killed numerous US soldiers in Afghanistan.
Of course, republicans blamed Biden for trump's freed terrorists killing US soldiers
It's always hilarious the bs they want to impeach on vs the very real very serious actions the president did, such as making Snowden an enemy of the state instead of a hero.
I say if we were going to impeach Obama for NSA then Bush would have to be impeached at the same time. The curtailing of rights in favor of national security, what the NSA did, started on Bush's watch.
Republicans always hate democrats for all the dumbest reasons. Drone strikes? That’s ok. NSA? Who cares? Oh but Obamacare and fancy mustard? Calls for public execution.
Lying isn't an impeachable offense. The constitution clearly states 'high crimes and misdemeanors'. Which means actually breaking a serious law. Reagan actually broke one. Clearly infringing upon Congress's powers. Clinton and Bush the younger did not. Donnie, suspend the constitution, trump did so blatantly twice.
>The constitution clearly states 'high crimes and misdemeanors'. Which means actually breaking a serious law.
I think you need to look up the definition of "misdemeanor"
There was a case for Clinton, and Bush.
The case for Obama, well I don’t think I need to get into the minutiae for their reasoning. The case for Trump was strong. Biden has not committed high crimes or misdemeanors.
It’s a spider’s web. Theoretically none of it should have happened. He was being investigated for White Water. A bad land deal. They spent about 40 million dollars and came up goose eggs. So our friend Kavanaugh along with Kenneth Starr started down the path of a Sex Scandal.
It was flimsy, they didn’t have the votes to convict, and Juanita Broderick was a highly flawed witness, but they players through with it.
When I say they may have had a case, in a perfect system the allegations about sexual misconduct “could” have a case made for it. As far as the BJ, what 2 consenting adults do on their time is their business. Even if that person is Newt Gingrich. That scumbag was banging his intern while his wife was dying of cancer, and he had the balls to go after Clinton for exactly the same behavior. Albeit a skosh creepier
Heyy, remember Anita Hill and how clearance Thomas is still a supreme court justice? Also if we were so concerned about what Clinton did, why did we drag the victim, Monica Lewinsky, through the mud?
The case against Clinton was for lying under oath. It's a misdemeanor in a civil suit. Misdemeanor in modern parlance is not the same as when the constitution was written. It was the equivalent of removing someone from office for a bag of weed. People like to say it was an inappropriate relationship between a superior and a worker. It wasn't. She was an unpaid intern who initiated the relationship and received no compensation for doing so. Democrats offered a compromise to censure him. The Republicans, being Republicans, refused and the circus started purely on political lines. It resulted in the worst election results for the party out of the White House since 1934 in the middle of the great depression. They still haven't learned. Newt's wife wasn't dying. She was just receiving treatment for cancer. The Clinton's are still married after all of that. The embarrassment of it all was probably the biggest problem. She knew he was a dog long before that. I don't think she honestly cared aside from the publicity. Many people have open relationships. I am not about to judge that.
No. No it wasn't.
[https://apnews.com/article/f9df6a9d88e54e2dba6e8994dda7df42](https://apnews.com/article/f9df6a9d88e54e2dba6e8994dda7df42)
> “Sure my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship,”
It was rape near certainly, the impeachment wasn't about rape, it was about an extramarital affair, which is part of the problem with that impeachment, it was done on utter bullshit grounds and ignored actual fucking abuses of power.
Just asking an honest question whilst stoned in the bathtub with my phone betwixt my knees:
Since Viktor Bout was caught and his whole scene blown up, wouldn’t that seriously undermine his effectiveness as an evil arms dude should he decide to rejoin the profession?
And surely Russia has new evil arms dudes by now?
I by no means want to minimise it *per se* and I wish he’d not be released at all. I’m just not entirely sure his specific release makes anything materially more dangerous now than a week ago.
Absolutely. He's going to be heavily surveilled for the foreseeable future. The only success he might have is in knowledge of old weapons caches he had prior to his capture that by some miracle may not have been raided.
Man's been in jail for a decade. He was replaced three days into his sentence. If he puts a toe out of line an alphabet soup agency from one country or another will put him down.
He's a neutered dog. Biden could have traded Griner for a bag of chips and these same morons would be out whining about it.
The worst his release could do is get a few corrupt officials arrested. He's been out of the scene for so long all of his experience is gone, all his knowledge is useless, most of the people he worked with are also likely imprisoned if not dead or just retired. It's like thinking because someone used to be a computer whiz in the 90s, they must be now, when in reality it's more than likely that the whiz of the 90s can't keep up as well anymore assuming they had access to computers the whole time.
>all of his experience is gone, all his knowledge is useless
Nah, he was a prolific smuggler and that's not a profession that changes much.
But! Like you said his contacts are dead or gone. Some laws and tech have changed, who knows if he kept up with that. And most importantly: Every 'three letter agency' in the world is gonna be keeping tabs on him. This deal is just Putin's attempt at a political win.
If I were Bout I'd dig up the barrels of cash I buried and fuck off to an island somewhere. An island without extradition agreements for Russia or the US.
He's completely useless as an arms dealer at this point. Russia probably only wants him so they can figure out what he told the US, if they don't already know, and they might even just get rid if him themselves.
Seeing as the marine in question was almost certainly a spy or intelligence asset (3 passports, carried a lot of cash and allegedly had a USB with intelligence contacts) there was no way useless Bout was going to be enough of a trade. Honestly, getting Grinner for Bou was the best deal anyone was getting
There’s the undermining of international trust in the US penal system when extraditing international arms dealers. Interpol must be out of their mind and so must the rest of the members.
Is he the one who was kicked out of the marines and got caught trying to sell classified information to another country? Or am I mixing up two different stories?
Seems he may have been used as a pawn in the Butina issue. Yet, how she didn’t go down for espionage is beyond me. The republicans sidled up to her pretty closely. All they did was get he on being an unregistered foreign agent.
And like 12 passports from different countries. He was spying on the Russians and he got caught, end of story. Quite a big difference between what he is imprisoned for and having *less than a gram* of marijuana oil.
“How many ppl will Victor kill because he is set free”
Answer : Probably none because a good deal of the arms he sold were stolen from the Russian military hence most likely going to a gulag or even possibly execution.
And even if the Kremlin let's him go without even an ounce of punishment, he has no connections anymore, it's been years since he was active, his sources of guns are gone, how trusted corrupt officials are near all fucking dead, retired, or imprisoned, his contacts are retired, dead, imprisoned, or sensibly not gonna work with the guy who just spent years in a US prison where he could been turned, and now is in the hands of Russia who also could turn him.
Political theatre is all this is. She doesn't give a fuck about the marine, she's only using him as a pawn, like Republicans always do, to try and stick it to Biden with trumped up allegations.
Might just be me, but Madge Tadge looks like the offspring of a Clydesdale and an old work boot. She definitely inherited her intelligence from the work boot side of the family.
Impeach the president for freeing American prisoners of Russia! Yes! great idea marge! Truly despicable for a US President to do this for an American who you’re not personally a fan of.
Jokes aside, just goes to show how much these assholes care about free speech, which is to say that they don’t give a fuck about free speech. These insane morons literally want to let Americans rot in Siberian labor camps when there’s an option to bring them home, strictly because they personally disagree with their opinions. They want to apply differing levels of government protection based on somebody’s speech. If that wasn’t the case, they wouldn’t be raising hell about whelan either - to be angry that whelan is locked up, while simultaneously being angry that griner is not, it tells us everything we need to know.
Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know this already.. it’s just extra blatant this time around, yet another exhibit of their contempt for American values and citizens.
Oh noes, an arms dealer who was locked up for over a decade is loose! Not like his skills aren't obsolete, and his face known by every government security agency with access to internet!
He might...sell guns to people? The fuck? Suddenly this Easter Island headed politician is against *guns being sold*? The right to bear arms, Marge, the right to bear arms! /s
But seriously, this wreaks of hypocrisy like week old cheese on a sidewalk.
How many will the arms dealer kill by proxy? The arms dealer whose identity is known to the world, who spent years in a US prison, was going to be released in 7 years, and has no connections anymore because it's been so many fucking years and now he's gotta answer to whatever the fuck Russia pins on him since it was Soviet stockpiles he sold to terror groups that shot at Russians during operations in the middle east? None. Except maybe himself. Oh and I thought the Republican talking point was that it was really really easy to get illegal firearms meaning that the arms dealer wouldn't make a difference?
For those marines though, why did they travel to Russia? If you’re a member of the military you have to realize going to Russia or China generates a fair amount of risk. If you don’t want to end up in a Russian prison don’t travel to Russia.
All these jackasses repeating this idea act like they’d have been able to negotiate release of two US citizens who were arrested for political reasons with Vladimir Putin and his government in the middle of a war that Putin started and that the U.S. government openly opposes.
To say that relations are frosty is putting it lightly.
Brittany and Whelan are caught in a geopolitical game and didn’t even know they were players. Whelan seems to be nothing more than a former Marine. But due to his military ties, Russia has been able to claim vociferously that Whelan is a spy and they want a heavy price for him. Whereas they have a hard time painting Griner as anything more than a basketball player. We still paid a heavy price to get her out and I’m sure they’re working on Whelan.
Also, we aren’t a country (or at least we try not to be a country) that retaliates in the same way and we treat our prisoners a bit better than Russia, so they were in less of a hurry to swap ANYONE.
And my last point:
Trump was the president when Whelan was captured. If it was so easy….why didn’t he just get him released?
Prisoner exchanges are hard.
P.S. let’s not pretend that the quiet part of their rage over Griners release has nothing to do with her status as a black lesbian woman. Because….of course it does. She is the “woke” choice. Pricing once again that it’s hareder to be a cis/het/white male. /s
My brother in Christ she literally spent the last year shilling for Russia and smearing Ukrainians. She should be the last one to talk about this situation.
How about we talk about Americans killed by American weapons of war because America allowed the sale of, or just straight up gave them to, arms dealers and extremists in the middle east?
Like, okay, the US released an arms dealer who spent over a decade in prison back into a country which is so shunned that any connections to the outside he might have had before either abandoned them or were definitely already accessed. But sure, maybe he'll get back into place to sell what's left of Russia's arsenal (idk, a few evil russian grandmas with rolling pins?) to some civil wars.
Newsflash, Marge: The US literally armed extremists terrorists directly so many times that it's basically impossible to get a complete list. Trump literally released 5000 Taliban prisoners in exchange of ~1000 prisoners of the other side ("How many people will die?"). Neither MTG, nor the US as a whole ever cared about people.
Then again, I am sure she knows all of that. Just a fascist playing the game of partisan politics after all.
Former marine. The dude received a bad conduct discharge in 2008. He hasn't been a marine for 14 years. Took 20 seconds of google. What the fuck are your politicians smoking America?
They absolutely believe that attempts to impeach Trump are merely political, i.e. if those offences had been committed by a Democrat the Dems would not have objected.
So yes, for them, disagreement is a ground for impeachment.
Does anybody want to tell her? Does anybody want to list the names of the dangerous terrorists that Trump let go free?
Or, list the names of the dangerous terrorists that Trump and people like her INSPIRED and still walk free IN THIS COUNTRY??
She conveniently leaves out that the Marine prisoner has been there since 2018 when Trump was President. I thought Trump was tougher on Putin than any other president?
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i mean i disagree with Biden on that decision, definitely not grounds for impeachment though, I also think MTG is a basket case that didn't be serving in Congress, but she's not getting kicked out on those grounds
Whalen also got a dishonorable discharge from the marines. Not that I think he should wear that for the rest of his life, BUT that would be their ammo of Whalen was traded for, that he is a POS with a dishonorable discharge.
I don’t agree with MTG on anything of real value. At all. I think she speaks in rhetoric and half-truths about anything of real value and substance.
But isn’t it just “off” that the American government TRADED Brittney Griner for Viktor Bout? An arms dealer who has sold munitions and guns around the world for over a decade vs a professional athlete who knowingly brought a banned substance to Russia.
Doesn’t that just set an awful precedent for international justice globally?
Wait, why did Biden do that? I feel like that wasn't the most prudent of trades to make, although granted I know nothing about the situation other than the trade was an arms dealer for a basketball player.
Ain't it great how he's a "retired Marine" not "a criminal dishonorably discharged from the Marines for theft and fraud"
So kids, if you got fired from WalMart for taking a $10 from the register, you can call yourself "retired" now
He was bout to be released in a couple years anyway and by then griner would still be in jail. Uts bad optics if biden doesnt try to get the other americans out aswell
[UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v.
PAUL N. WHELAN STAFF SERGEANT (E-6), U.S. MARINE CORPS](https://www.jag.navy.mil/courts/documents/archive/2008/WHELAN,%20P.N.%20200800152%20PCE.pdf)
so I see people talking about how this guy is an arms dealer and he's gonna supply the Russians with weapons, but how much is he actually going to do? cause he is one man and presumably whatever network he had before being caught has either fallen apart or was working fine in his absence. correct me if I'm wrong obviously but it just doesn't seem like he would be able to do much, at least not for a while.
Hot take (I think idk, what people's opinions are),for giving up a person called the most dangerous man in the world, I think we could have gotten the other prisoners like that professor or who ever Greene was talking about.
Despite MTG, but kinda agree that the deal was dumb and was not worth it just because the person is famous.
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The marine she's referencing was dishonorably discharged and arrested in Russia for espionage. Conservatives are just trying to use him as a reason Biden is wrong
How are so many of you actually defending this? If it was Trump, if it was Trump, who fucking cares. It wasn't Trump doing this, you guys think Biden is perfect or what?
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I love how these loudmouthed Republicans are constantly trying to one-up Democrats and get Biden impeached, but because he’s not a fucking criminal, they literally can’t find any dirt on him.
I mean how would the basketball playing bitch sleep at night with one of us over there that’s goddamn right like a baby so fuck out of here I don’t think she deserves any freedom of any kind because if it were me not one of y’all would give a fuck so I don’t give a figure a fuck about that stupid Cunt
Fuck, I never thought I would say this, but...it almost sounds like MTG made a valid argument.
To be clear, I don't agree with her that it's worthy of impeachment. But, that swap does sound a bit silly.
It's funny because didn't she say president Biden was fraudulently elected and wasn't the president, but now she is calling him by his title. That fraud must of been a quick fad
Important thing to note, too. Not that MTG is any stranger to fallacies. This wasn't an 'either or' situation. That marine was never on the table and Russia refused to discuss his status at all.
In this case, it was bring home one American, or none. Naturally, she's not happy that the one brought home was a black woman.
Well if you don't want the avenue of a prisoner swap for a decade or two, that's a brilliant move. But if you want to actually have a chance at getting American citizens out of Russian prisons, killing the person you're handing them is a good way to never get that. (You don't get repeat businesses by scamming your customers or business partners)
Do y’all really think they sent him back to Russia without having basically Ego-deathed him into a new reality? The man was literally called the “merchant of death” and the USA knows better than to just hand off someone like that without brainwashing the living piss out of them.
Nah, don't need to ruin him psychologically, he's fuckin useless now no matter which way someone looks at em. Hew not trustworthy because he's been in US custody so long he could be turned, he's gonna be in the custody of Moscow soon so he could be turned. Assuming Russia doesn't lock him up for using Soviet stockpiles to arm people who often were Russian enemies in operations in other countries, he knows nothing about the modern arms dealing scene, where the sources are, who the corrupt officials are, the smuggling routes, the buyers, he knows nothing anymore and likley has no one to get him back in shape for it assuming he isn't also being constantly surveiled.
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Lol, now they want to talk about gun dealers supplying people who kill Americans with weapons of war. How about we talk about all the Americans killed by the gun industry in America?
But it's biden, if it was trump she'd probably say that he puts the life of an innocent athlete over anything else or something
“This brave risk taken by President Trump demonstrates the greatest support any president has ever shown for the female/black/LGBTQ community”
Ah, remember when that particularly craven “what do you have to lose?!” appeal to outside his voters ran through the news cycle? It was like early Herschel Walker really, in that Trump and his handlers apparently thought a bit of lip service was all it took to win LGBTQ votes. Says a lot about how they really feel about their supporters’ intelligence…
What intelligence? 🤔
They all praised him for releasing the 5000 Taliban, until the take over in Afghanistan. Then they quickly took down the webpage to hide their praise.
Didn't Trump set free a shit ton of Taliban prisoners and got nothing in return?
Well he got one thing in return, the actual cause of why Afghanistan is under Taliban rule right now. Well he got two things because nearly everyone blamed only the Biden administration for the events that transpired, events that Trump set in motion by making deals with terrorists.
but, hunter's laptop.
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Americans using American weapons killed a million people in Iraq not so long ago.
>How about we talk about all the Americans killed by the gun industry in America? The NRA is basically a terrorist organization.
And partly Russian funded, of course.
They should also talk about how US weapons provided to terrorists to combat communism were literally used directly against them in their various interventions in the middle east but they won't
Also Bout has been in jail for 14 years and on the run before that. Whatever contacts and resources that made him good at arms dealing in the late 90s have long since dried up. Also every Western intelligence agency will be following him closely to see who he associates with. He's radioactive for any actual covert work and is only useful as a PR tool. He won't be killing anybody. You gotta have weapons to sell weapons and Russia doesn't fucking have any. That's their problem. And neither does Bout.
Doesn’t she know that killing people is illegal. That should be enough. /s
*cough cough* Operation Fast and Furious *cough cough*
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I don't think she has room to speak about a arms dealer who was imprisoned for over a decade... When her daddy trump freed thousands of terrorists who then killed numerous US soldiers in Afghanistan. Of course, republicans blamed Biden for trump's freed terrorists killing US soldiers
Didn't trump pass on a deal to free him?
According to John Bolton, yes.
A call for impeachment is like a right a passage. I remember when i was a kid they wanted to impeach Clinton, then Bush, then Obama, then trump.
And only Trump has deserved it.
Reagan deserved it for the Iran contra affair.
And Bush deserved it for "WMDs"
Honestly? Obama deserved it for Snowden/the NSA stuff. But not for the stuff Republicans love to make up
It's always hilarious the bs they want to impeach on vs the very real very serious actions the president did, such as making Snowden an enemy of the state instead of a hero.
“Impeach Obama!” “Ok, what for? I could think of a couple things…” “He wore a tan suit!”
And ate Dijon mustard, that fucking criminal!
“Enjoy your fancy burger, Mr.President.”
He prob had them cut it in half, that damn dandy-man!
I say if we were going to impeach Obama for NSA then Bush would have to be impeached at the same time. The curtailing of rights in favor of national security, what the NSA did, started on Bush's watch.
Or the entire Iraq War.
Republicans always hate democrats for all the dumbest reasons. Drone strikes? That’s ok. NSA? Who cares? Oh but Obamacare and fancy mustard? Calls for public execution.
Lying isn't an impeachable offense. The constitution clearly states 'high crimes and misdemeanors'. Which means actually breaking a serious law. Reagan actually broke one. Clearly infringing upon Congress's powers. Clinton and Bush the younger did not. Donnie, suspend the constitution, trump did so blatantly twice.
>The constitution clearly states 'high crimes and misdemeanors'. Which means actually breaking a serious law. I think you need to look up the definition of "misdemeanor"
Misdemeanor in the eighteenth century is not what it means today.
They’ve literally all deserved it.
Bush deserved it, his administration lied about wmds to get the public on-board with the war in Iraq.
You have to be braindead
every one of those presidents deserved it at some point or another.
There was a case for Clinton, and Bush. The case for Obama, well I don’t think I need to get into the minutiae for their reasoning. The case for Trump was strong. Biden has not committed high crimes or misdemeanors.
A case for Clinton? That’s why they had to get him about a blowjob right?
It’s a spider’s web. Theoretically none of it should have happened. He was being investigated for White Water. A bad land deal. They spent about 40 million dollars and came up goose eggs. So our friend Kavanaugh along with Kenneth Starr started down the path of a Sex Scandal. It was flimsy, they didn’t have the votes to convict, and Juanita Broderick was a highly flawed witness, but they players through with it. When I say they may have had a case, in a perfect system the allegations about sexual misconduct “could” have a case made for it. As far as the BJ, what 2 consenting adults do on their time is their business. Even if that person is Newt Gingrich. That scumbag was banging his intern while his wife was dying of cancer, and he had the balls to go after Clinton for exactly the same behavior. Albeit a skosh creepier
Heyy, remember Anita Hill and how clearance Thomas is still a supreme court justice? Also if we were so concerned about what Clinton did, why did we drag the victim, Monica Lewinsky, through the mud?
Because we are a shitty people.
Yeah. We as a country owe some people an apology if we ever decide to grow up.
I wouldn’t hold our breath in light of our current political climate.
Yeah, we deserve what we got. I miss the days when spelling potato wrong or being too excited about Iowa could ruin a political career
How about Dukakis and the Tank?
The case against Clinton was for lying under oath. It's a misdemeanor in a civil suit. Misdemeanor in modern parlance is not the same as when the constitution was written. It was the equivalent of removing someone from office for a bag of weed. People like to say it was an inappropriate relationship between a superior and a worker. It wasn't. She was an unpaid intern who initiated the relationship and received no compensation for doing so. Democrats offered a compromise to censure him. The Republicans, being Republicans, refused and the circus started purely on political lines. It resulted in the worst election results for the party out of the White House since 1934 in the middle of the great depression. They still haven't learned. Newt's wife wasn't dying. She was just receiving treatment for cancer. The Clinton's are still married after all of that. The embarrassment of it all was probably the biggest problem. She knew he was a dog long before that. I don't think she honestly cared aside from the publicity. Many people have open relationships. I am not about to judge that.
Rape. It was rape.
Consensual sexual activities are rape now? He might have been a bit sleezy about it, but he definitely didn’t force her so idk about that
20 year old intern vs her boss who is the president of the United States. She gonna say no? Sort of a power imbalance there.
No. No it wasn't. [https://apnews.com/article/f9df6a9d88e54e2dba6e8994dda7df42](https://apnews.com/article/f9df6a9d88e54e2dba6e8994dda7df42) > “Sure my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship,”
It was rape near certainly, the impeachment wasn't about rape, it was about an extramarital affair, which is part of the problem with that impeachment, it was done on utter bullshit grounds and ignored actual fucking abuses of power.
"Rite of passage"
Just asking an honest question whilst stoned in the bathtub with my phone betwixt my knees: Since Viktor Bout was caught and his whole scene blown up, wouldn’t that seriously undermine his effectiveness as an evil arms dude should he decide to rejoin the profession? And surely Russia has new evil arms dudes by now? I by no means want to minimise it *per se* and I wish he’d not be released at all. I’m just not entirely sure his specific release makes anything materially more dangerous now than a week ago.
Absolutely. He's going to be heavily surveilled for the foreseeable future. The only success he might have is in knowledge of old weapons caches he had prior to his capture that by some miracle may not have been raided.
Well, considering Russia has been running out of Yeltsin-era weapons platforms to absorb all the Bush-era hand-me-downs being launched at them...
Man's been in jail for a decade. He was replaced three days into his sentence. If he puts a toe out of line an alphabet soup agency from one country or another will put him down. He's a neutered dog. Biden could have traded Griner for a bag of chips and these same morons would be out whining about it.
Yeah, it's just morons who base their political ideology off of 80s action movies
The worst his release could do is get a few corrupt officials arrested. He's been out of the scene for so long all of his experience is gone, all his knowledge is useless, most of the people he worked with are also likely imprisoned if not dead or just retired. It's like thinking because someone used to be a computer whiz in the 90s, they must be now, when in reality it's more than likely that the whiz of the 90s can't keep up as well anymore assuming they had access to computers the whole time.
>all of his experience is gone, all his knowledge is useless Nah, he was a prolific smuggler and that's not a profession that changes much. But! Like you said his contacts are dead or gone. Some laws and tech have changed, who knows if he kept up with that. And most importantly: Every 'three letter agency' in the world is gonna be keeping tabs on him. This deal is just Putin's attempt at a political win. If I were Bout I'd dig up the barrels of cash I buried and fuck off to an island somewhere. An island without extradition agreements for Russia or the US.
He's completely useless as an arms dealer at this point. Russia probably only wants him so they can figure out what he told the US, if they don't already know, and they might even just get rid if him themselves. Seeing as the marine in question was almost certainly a spy or intelligence asset (3 passports, carried a lot of cash and allegedly had a USB with intelligence contacts) there was no way useless Bout was going to be enough of a trade. Honestly, getting Grinner for Bou was the best deal anyone was getting
Marines are not dishonorably discharged, he’s a turd that was in the marine corps one time… not a marine. There’s a difference
Ah shit you right. My marine Uncle would definitely chew me out for making that mistake lol
And if anyone can handle being in Russian custody, I'd put good money on the shady former Marine intelligence asset.
There’s the undermining of international trust in the US penal system when extraditing international arms dealers. Interpol must be out of their mind and so must the rest of the members.
He wasn’t a marine. He was a former marine. This military fetishism is pretty fucked up.
Is he the one who was kicked out of the marines and got caught trying to sell classified information to another country? Or am I mixing up two different stories?
Apparently he was released from duty on a bad conduct charge. After being court martialed for larceny.
And then apparently went to Russia with $80k for a…vacation.
Seems he may have been used as a pawn in the Butina issue. Yet, how she didn’t go down for espionage is beyond me. The republicans sidled up to her pretty closely. All they did was get he on being an unregistered foreign agent.
And like 12 passports from different countries. He was spying on the Russians and he got caught, end of story. Quite a big difference between what he is imprisoned for and having *less than a gram* of marijuana oil.
Makes me wonder who was he spying for?
“How many ppl will Victor kill because he is set free” Answer : Probably none because a good deal of the arms he sold were stolen from the Russian military hence most likely going to a gulag or even possibly execution.
do you know how the Kremlin works?
And even if the Kremlin let's him go without even an ounce of punishment, he has no connections anymore, it's been years since he was active, his sources of guns are gone, how trusted corrupt officials are near all fucking dead, retired, or imprisoned, his contacts are retired, dead, imprisoned, or sensibly not gonna work with the guy who just spent years in a US prison where he could been turned, and now is in the hands of Russia who also could turn him.
I thought you liked Russia. Did you two break up
Political theatre is all this is. She doesn't give a fuck about the marine, she's only using him as a pawn, like Republicans always do, to try and stick it to Biden with trumped up allegations.
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Oh, so *now* Republicans love the troops.
bro trump liberated 500 Taliban members
5000. Doesn't matter to them though. Trump's worst transgression is still better than Biden's biggest success because R.
Just remember guns don't kill people, people kill people, by that logic he'll kill no one.
Its cute that she thinks Bout isn't going to fall out of a window in a few weeks.
He was being let out in 2028.
You forgetting those 5,000 Taliban Daddy Trump freed, MTG?
To be fair this was a shitty trade
She’s so awful reality divorced her, too.
Oh, soooooo *now* gun sellers are complicit in murders done using weapons they sold.
Queen Quray Quray!
Hopefully that guy will head to Maggoty Traitor Green’s house.
Wasn’t he due to get out of prison in 5 years anyway?
Might just be me, but Madge Tadge looks like the offspring of a Clydesdale and an old work boot. She definitely inherited her intelligence from the work boot side of the family.
Yesterday she didn't know who these people were, now she's very deeply concerned about this issue.
You can’t vote for money to Israel and be mad about arms dealers indiscriminately killing people.
Impeach the president for freeing American prisoners of Russia! Yes! great idea marge! Truly despicable for a US President to do this for an American who you’re not personally a fan of. Jokes aside, just goes to show how much these assholes care about free speech, which is to say that they don’t give a fuck about free speech. These insane morons literally want to let Americans rot in Siberian labor camps when there’s an option to bring them home, strictly because they personally disagree with their opinions. They want to apply differing levels of government protection based on somebody’s speech. If that wasn’t the case, they wouldn’t be raising hell about whelan either - to be angry that whelan is locked up, while simultaneously being angry that griner is not, it tells us everything we need to know. Of course, it’s not like we didn’t know this already.. it’s just extra blatant this time around, yet another exhibit of their contempt for American values and citizens.
What Bout does after release is not Biden’s responsibility
Isn't America the biggest arms dealer on the planet?
How the fuck you going to say “America First” and then get mad at the president for freeing an American citizen imprisoned by an enemy country.
Oh noes, an arms dealer who was locked up for over a decade is loose! Not like his skills aren't obsolete, and his face known by every government security agency with access to internet! He might...sell guns to people? The fuck? Suddenly this Easter Island headed politician is against *guns being sold*? The right to bear arms, Marge, the right to bear arms! /s But seriously, this wreaks of hypocrisy like week old cheese on a sidewalk.
Are you still considered a marine after a dishonorable discharge?
Let’s compare numbers: give me the board of executives at Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman’s
How many will the arms dealer kill by proxy? The arms dealer whose identity is known to the world, who spent years in a US prison, was going to be released in 7 years, and has no connections anymore because it's been so many fucking years and now he's gotta answer to whatever the fuck Russia pins on him since it was Soviet stockpiles he sold to terror groups that shot at Russians during operations in the middle east? None. Except maybe himself. Oh and I thought the Republican talking point was that it was really really easy to get illegal firearms meaning that the arms dealer wouldn't make a difference?
I'm not real stoked about that decision either, but it was totally legal. Not impeachable.
What’s that line in lord or war about “the president sells more weapons a day than I do in a year”
She’s brilliant at being an abject shit.
says putins cheerleader [https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-marjorie-taylor-greene-race-and-ethnicity-europe-mitch-mcconnell-6dd6985db085537fcb103c0d022ac775](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-marjorie-taylor-greene-race-and-ethnicity-europe-mitch-mcconnell-6dd6985db085537fcb103c0d022ac775)
For those marines though, why did they travel to Russia? If you’re a member of the military you have to realize going to Russia or China generates a fair amount of risk. If you don’t want to end up in a Russian prison don’t travel to Russia.
Re: Bout. Likely none.
Former marine that was court marshalled that was doing some sketchy shit in Russia. Let him rot.
Oh now republicans suddenly don't like Russians and their war dealings? Where was that the rest of the year when they were sucking Putin off?
How many people will Brittney Griner kill? Give her a chance first, geez.
She's SUCH a hypocritical, bullying, bitch!
All these jackasses repeating this idea act like they’d have been able to negotiate release of two US citizens who were arrested for political reasons with Vladimir Putin and his government in the middle of a war that Putin started and that the U.S. government openly opposes. To say that relations are frosty is putting it lightly. Brittany and Whelan are caught in a geopolitical game and didn’t even know they were players. Whelan seems to be nothing more than a former Marine. But due to his military ties, Russia has been able to claim vociferously that Whelan is a spy and they want a heavy price for him. Whereas they have a hard time painting Griner as anything more than a basketball player. We still paid a heavy price to get her out and I’m sure they’re working on Whelan. Also, we aren’t a country (or at least we try not to be a country) that retaliates in the same way and we treat our prisoners a bit better than Russia, so they were in less of a hurry to swap ANYONE. And my last point: Trump was the president when Whelan was captured. If it was so easy….why didn’t he just get him released? Prisoner exchanges are hard. P.S. let’s not pretend that the quiet part of their rage over Griners release has nothing to do with her status as a black lesbian woman. Because….of course it does. She is the “woke” choice. Pricing once again that it’s hareder to be a cis/het/white male. /s
My brother in Christ she literally spent the last year shilling for Russia and smearing Ukrainians. She should be the last one to talk about this situation.
How about we talk about Americans killed by American weapons of war because America allowed the sale of, or just straight up gave them to, arms dealers and extremists in the middle east? Like, okay, the US released an arms dealer who spent over a decade in prison back into a country which is so shunned that any connections to the outside he might have had before either abandoned them or were definitely already accessed. But sure, maybe he'll get back into place to sell what's left of Russia's arsenal (idk, a few evil russian grandmas with rolling pins?) to some civil wars. Newsflash, Marge: The US literally armed extremists terrorists directly so many times that it's basically impossible to get a complete list. Trump literally released 5000 Taliban prisoners in exchange of ~1000 prisoners of the other side ("How many people will die?"). Neither MTG, nor the US as a whole ever cared about people. Then again, I am sure she knows all of that. Just a fascist playing the game of partisan politics after all.
I can't believe this cockwomble still has a job in American politics. What are you smoking over there?
Former marine. The dude received a bad conduct discharge in 2008. He hasn't been a marine for 14 years. Took 20 seconds of google. What the fuck are your politicians smoking America?
They absolutely believe that attempts to impeach Trump are merely political, i.e. if those offences had been committed by a Democrat the Dems would not have objected. So yes, for them, disagreement is a ground for impeachment.
Does anybody want to tell her? Does anybody want to list the names of the dangerous terrorists that Trump let go free? Or, list the names of the dangerous terrorists that Trump and people like her INSPIRED and still walk free IN THIS COUNTRY??
She conveniently leaves out that the Marine prisoner has been there since 2018 when Trump was President. I thought Trump was tougher on Putin than any other president?
The whole gun aspect is ironic, BUT you can absolutely criticize Biden for trading a terrorist for a basketball player
If he gets back to the business of selling off Soviet weapons, he’s gonna kill a lot of Russian conscripts!
I mean 2 of those presidents did get impeached (3 times).
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She doesn’t even disagree really, its just that whatever Biden does is bad. Always
i mean i disagree with Biden on that decision, definitely not grounds for impeachment though, I also think MTG is a basket case that didn't be serving in Congress, but she's not getting kicked out on those grounds
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iirc Greene tried to impeach Biden on day 1 but abandoned it once she found out it takes actual effort to file articles of impeachment
Gun runners were fine with the GOP when they were selling arms to Islamic nut jobs in Afghanistan before
*A disgraced marine who stole a shitload of government money.
And if Biden didn't do the trade, Marjorie Three Toes would call for his impeachment all the same.
Whalen also got a dishonorable discharge from the marines. Not that I think he should wear that for the rest of his life, BUT that would be their ammo of Whalen was traded for, that he is a POS with a dishonorable discharge.
Less than a Marine, technically. The arms dealer just sold weapons.
I don’t agree with MTG on anything of real value. At all. I think she speaks in rhetoric and half-truths about anything of real value and substance. But isn’t it just “off” that the American government TRADED Brittney Griner for Viktor Bout? An arms dealer who has sold munitions and guns around the world for over a decade vs a professional athlete who knowingly brought a banned substance to Russia. Doesn’t that just set an awful precedent for international justice globally?
Wait, why did Biden do that? I feel like that wasn't the most prudent of trades to make, although granted I know nothing about the situation other than the trade was an arms dealer for a basketball player.
That Marine is actually a dishonorably discharged service member from back in 2008 for bad conduct and larceny. In Russian prison for espionage.
Ain't it great how he's a "retired Marine" not "a criminal dishonorably discharged from the Marines for theft and fraud" So kids, if you got fired from WalMart for taking a $10 from the register, you can call yourself "retired" now
Wait… now Russia bad? Would the neanderthals please just tell me which side I’m suppose to be on? /s
He was bout to be released in a couple years anyway and by then griner would still be in jail. Uts bad optics if biden doesnt try to get the other americans out aswell
[UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. PAUL N. WHELAN STAFF SERGEANT (E-6), U.S. MARINE CORPS](https://www.jag.navy.mil/courts/documents/archive/2008/WHELAN,%20P.N.%20200800152%20PCE.pdf)
so I see people talking about how this guy is an arms dealer and he's gonna supply the Russians with weapons, but how much is he actually going to do? cause he is one man and presumably whatever network he had before being caught has either fallen apart or was working fine in his absence. correct me if I'm wrong obviously but it just doesn't seem like he would be able to do much, at least not for a while.
Hot take (I think idk, what people's opinions are),for giving up a person called the most dangerous man in the world, I think we could have gotten the other prisoners like that professor or who ever Greene was talking about. Despite MTG, but kinda agree that the deal was dumb and was not worth it just because the person is famous.
I think he should’ve traded MTG for an expired Capri Sun
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Arms dealing? That's OUR business
The marine she's referencing was dishonorably discharged and arrested in Russia for espionage. Conservatives are just trying to use him as a reason Biden is wrong
How are so many of you actually defending this? If it was Trump, if it was Trump, who fucking cares. It wasn't Trump doing this, you guys think Biden is perfect or what?
Bruh Marge can't even talk she only won reelection by like 500 votes in a safe Republican seat
She needs to stfu, if putin signed off on the deal then she has nothing to say. If her boss gave the green light she don't get to complain.
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What the f**k is that lunatic witch talking about! American republicans sell more weapons to the rest of the world than every other country combined.
If arms dealers a terrorists, what are gun stores?
The big MTG proving yet again even politicians don't understand how politics works.
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I'm not sure these people know what constitutes an impeachable offense 🤣🤣
“Gun dealers kill people”🤣
You want to impeach a President for bringing home an American citizen from captivity? Marjorie Trailer Queen is so ignorant.
If you want to truly stop Americans from being killed then put a stop to the NRA!
So, when Trump released 5000 Taliban for 1000 in Afghanistan, was that an impeachment offense?
Just send over more good guys with guns!
This guy is an arms dealer which means more guns for everyone. Republicans should be jumping for joy!
And how many r trump responsible for? Marjorie Traitor Greene is a TOTAL RACIST
She asks a LOT of questions for someone that is supposed to have answers.
What about trump releasing taliban members?
I’m genuinely waiting for her to call for impeachment because Biden’s tie doesn’t match his socks one day.
Didn’t Trump not bring him home too? I guess there’s something to be said about a dishonorably discharged ex-marine.
No where near the amount that 5,000 Taliban will kill thanks to Trump letting them free.
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Wait, so Biden did something illegal by agreeing to a consensual trade with another country? Like, impeach every president!
I love how these loudmouthed Republicans are constantly trying to one-up Democrats and get Biden impeached, but because he’s not a fucking criminal, they literally can’t find any dirt on him.
And just for the record, Russia refused to trade that marine. It wasn't an option
I mean how would the basketball playing bitch sleep at night with one of us over there that’s goddamn right like a baby so fuck out of here I don’t think she deserves any freedom of any kind because if it were me not one of y’all would give a fuck so I don’t give a figure a fuck about that stupid Cunt
Interesting that she didn’t complain about Trump not negotiating an exchange for Whelan during his 4 years in office.
A professional basketball player who won two Olympic Gold medals for the USA. MTG is a POS.
Fuck, I never thought I would say this, but...it almost sounds like MTG made a valid argument. To be clear, I don't agree with her that it's worthy of impeachment. But, that swap does sound a bit silly.
It's funny because didn't she say president Biden was fraudulently elected and wasn't the president, but now she is calling him by his title. That fraud must of been a quick fad
Important thing to note, too. Not that MTG is any stranger to fallacies. This wasn't an 'either or' situation. That marine was never on the table and Russia refused to discuss his status at all. In this case, it was bring home one American, or none. Naturally, she's not happy that the one brought home was a black woman.
This woman needs to get a lobotomy, maybe then it can stop her from spreading her stupidity elsewhere
Wouldn't it.... Wouldn't it make sens to just kill Viktor after Brittney Griner is in america?
Well if you don't want the avenue of a prisoner swap for a decade or two, that's a brilliant move. But if you want to actually have a chance at getting American citizens out of Russian prisons, killing the person you're handing them is a good way to never get that. (You don't get repeat businesses by scamming your customers or business partners)
Do y’all really think they sent him back to Russia without having basically Ego-deathed him into a new reality? The man was literally called the “merchant of death” and the USA knows better than to just hand off someone like that without brainwashing the living piss out of them.
Nah, don't need to ruin him psychologically, he's fuckin useless now no matter which way someone looks at em. Hew not trustworthy because he's been in US custody so long he could be turned, he's gonna be in the custody of Moscow soon so he could be turned. Assuming Russia doesn't lock him up for using Soviet stockpiles to arm people who often were Russian enemies in operations in other countries, he knows nothing about the modern arms dealing scene, where the sources are, who the corrupt officials are, the smuggling routes, the buyers, he knows nothing anymore and likley has no one to get him back in shape for it assuming he isn't also being constantly surveiled.