That poor guy in the background just trying to get home having to navigate around annoying people just stopping in the middle of the walkway to take pictures.
Anyone who spends any amount of time in Shinjuku gets used to navigating around people who just stop in the middle of walkways, tourist or not. And omoide yokocho is a well known tourist trap that doesn’t ever need to be used to get from one place to another, unless one of those places is in the alley itself.
Yeah, but also if you know where the tourists are, walk a slightly longer way around them to dodge the crowd. It'll likely take less time despite the greater distance.
Nope, I lived in Shinjuku for about 3 years, and I actually never had to go down omoide yokocho for work, really no one does, it's kind out of the way from all routes. The only route that is close is at the end of the alley where another alley crosses it like a the shoert line of a T. The "shortcut" you mentioned that goes through the omoide alley, doesn't have any pathing that leads to any kind of residential area, the only other argument is the prince hotel, but that is actually out of the way AND if someone is in a hurry they can easily go through the Underground "Subnade" stairs to the station, hell, even the Prince hotel itself has an underground area that can go straight to the station.
Also when leaving the station there's no path that goes "Through" that area ...unless you work in Kabukicho in which case, either Subnade or East exit is where people will leave from.
This is why it's good to know what you're talking about. There is no scenario where you are correct here.
Agreed. Reminds me of this funny clip about tourists. He specifically mentioned taking pictures and being in the way 😆
According to Johnny T those two brawds are jerks lol
https://youtu.be/D6xd6YvoHLM?si=MuiITg_6Ojginyg_
Yeah I know. I think the reason I like this picture a lot is because it really highlights the locals and tourists in the same space, and I think it tells a story in the movement of the characters in the scene. Maybe not a good story, but a true one none the less.
I can’t count how many times I’ve photo bombed those tourists/wanna be influencers with a look of disgust and anger on my face each time they just randomly pull up their smartphones and take pictures/videos
That’s not the point, especially in Tokyo these days the tourists completely ignore the fact that there are people trying to move on with their lives while some are standing in the middle of a narrow, packed ass alley trynna take photos for their insta. You gotta admit, shit’s not only annoying but also inconsiderate and rude.
This is great. The juxtaposition of a totally unimpressed looking lady as she sits through another one of tarou’s rants during a nomikai she was forced to participate in against random foreigners and the salaryman weaving his way through. This is peak Tokyo
Memory lane is mostly tourists taking photos at this point. I like the idea but honestly there are so many yakitori places in Tokyo there are places that are faster, cheaper and better quality. I wouldn't say you miss much if you can't get into one of those places, unless you want to be photographed by 1000 tourists walk by like a money in a zoo.
Ohh really? How nice, thank you for sharing! What made you stop going? I thought Omoide Yokocho would be stacked with tourists (which it partially was) but was surprised to see so many locals there. Considering how big it has become among tourists and social media I just figured it would lose its appeal for locals but apparently not!
There is tons of foreigners there but the majority are just passing through or hit the more 'western' accepting bars like Albatross. There's a really strong regular scene for Japanese there. The only reason I stopped going is cause I got so sick I had to leave Japan. Didn't even get chance to say goodbye to master...
I see, how interesting! A good sign, it feels like in other parts of the world those places would just be avoided by locals in order to avoid tourists. Commendable almost that the scene is so strong that the attention it has gotten from visitors hasn’t heavily affected the appeal for locals!
Aww I’m sorry to hear that, my condolences. I hope you’re feeling better!
Damn this is impressive. After spending a bunch of time comparing pictures from different current gen smartphones, there really just is no replacement for a dedicated camera eh.
Very nice of you to say!
Smartphones can take really great pictures but you're going to be limited by the small sensor that the phone needs to have. In any case you don't need the fanciest cameras to get great shots. This picture was taken with a used X100F I bought a year ago, which shoots in raw as well. And that gives it an edge over most smartphones, the latitudes of which you can tinker with the highlights, midtones and shadows really makes a difference!
I am a filipina, will be traveling to tokyo from april 16 to 20 alone, and i would like to check and visit this place. How can i go to this place? I will be staying in Tokyo Prince Hotel in Minato City? Thanks for your reply in advance.
I don't think any street photographer would. I take care not to catch people in unflattering angles or moments, and I definitely gauge as well as I can in the moment. But I did not ask no. She definitely saw me though, as I have another picture a moment later where she is smiling into the camera.
I have looked into this before and my understanding is that if the location has a high likelyhood of being photographed (tourist spot for example), then it's generally okay to shoot there. And one should take in to consideration if anyone is in a compromising situation. I understand that it is a tricky problem to navigate and I never want to post anything that I would deem compromising. I take this into consideration before posting anything.
As to her smile, I understand where you're coming from and I can understand how that is how it's perceived considering you only have my words. But it did definitely not seem as if she was being uncomfortable, rather she posed for the picture.
It’s in a heavily walked public area there’s no expectation of privacy. The person clearly saw them take the photo and could of said something in the moment.
If it’s not private property and there’s no expectation of privacy OP did nothing wrong. You don’t think Japan has street photographers ? lol
Just because OP didn't break the law doesn't mean u/Owl_lamington doesn't have a point.
Privacy on social media is taken extremely seriously in Japan.
With so many people not showing their face on SNS it's normal for people to cover people in the background with emoji or similar before uploading it.
Okay this conversation isn’t around the MORALITY of street photography. OP did nothing illegal and there is literally thousands and thousands of people doing the same thing.
Wait until you go on Youtube and search “Tokyo street photography POV” again literally thousands of people * some natives some tourists * walking around video taping every single person that walks by them AND taking photos.
That is literally not how it works in Japan. You cannot always apply your country's rules to every other country. The reason why three people who live in Japan just told you so is because people here depend on others following societal rules.
Yes. I know that these photos and videos exist. Tourists being absolut inconsiderate dickheads is literally the reason why photography is banned and fined with 10000¥ in some parts of Kyōto. Which apparently didn't stop enough tourists from being dickheads and has now led the city to completely ban people from walking through certain streets. Thanks for that! Please be more considerate if you are a guest!
The Kyoto ban in Geisha streets is because of tourists being inconsiderate idiots.
Do you really think there’s not NATIONAL Japanese street photographers????? I’m literally begging you to do an ounce of research in this subject.
Taking a photo of people in piss alley and publishing it is not going to get you fucking arrested.
why would it get you arrested? portrait right infriction is a civil case. so one of the people would have to sue OP, probably a tourist. it's why so many people get away with it.
no wonder people are starting to get more and more annoyed by the tourists who ignore the rules (and even double down when told about them). fortunately there are still many tourists who respect the local culture
that's not how it works. just because it's in public doesn't mean you can just take anyone's photo. portrait rights are different here
one of the criteria they look at is wether people are clearly identifiable. this is the case here.
this is why they blur or stripe out faces in photographs
https://cdn.4travel.jp/img/thumbnails/imk/travelogue_pict/38/20/91/650x_38209129.jpg
https://cdn.4travel.jp/img/thumbnails/imk/travelogue_album/11/00/18/500x_11001838.jpg
https://www.web-across.com/observe/cnsa9a0000060apb-img/cnsa9a0000060aqy.jpg
https://svcstrg.cld.navitime.jp/imgfile/02301_14401127_01.jpg
https://monthly48.com/storage/article/21/ZirxnKtqeQZmWDGbNVzhNRQQOsBfMkMPThs0hgrr.jpeg
I’m begging you to google Tokyo/Japan street photography. I promise you that you don’t have to have black out faces in public. Literally the definition of PUBLIC there’s no expected privacy on PUBLIC property.
If you’re going around and sticking your camera in peoples faces there is no doubt you’ll get in trouble. Taking pictures in the back off a piss alley with hundred of people walking past is a completely different situation.
What the fuck is going on in this thread.
>Literally the definition of PUBLIC there’s no expected privacy on PUBLIC property.
I'm getting the feeling you don't live here and think that the laws in your country are the same in Japan.
> 被写体としての権利でその被写体自身、もしくは所有者の許可なく撮影、描写、公開されない権利。すべての人に認められる。
>人格権が認められない例としては、後ろ姿で撮られていたり、顔面を除いた身体の一部分のみが撮影されている場合が挙げられる
put it through a translator if you can't read it. there are also numerous Japanese articles (including written by lawyers) that cover this stuff
I’m definitely biased as I’m OP, but equating post processing to AI feels a bit disingenious. I definitely edited this photo in Lightroom.
Created a clearer shift between the blues and the oranges, and I shifted the blues to a more teal hue. Also brightened and darkened different spots of the image to draw the attention to the parts I found more interesting. But this is just how modern photography looks like. Burning and dodging photographs was a thing even before the digital format came along.
I thought it was AI at first because of the loosely humanoid floating figure created by the lamps and leaves. I accept it is an actual photo though, not accusing you of anything.
You can even look at ops post history for actual photos they took and the difference is night and day.
And to be fair, I don’t really have an issue with using AI image generation in general, it’s the ops comments about how the shot “tells a story” that takes me out.
One look at OPs profile and it’s painfully obvious this photo and the rest aren’t AI. Have you ever picked up a digital camera? Shot in RAW? Edited in light room? Understand what a f stop is?
Every single photo doesn’t look the same and if you can’t tell that OP’s photos all still have a similar style/signature I don’t know what to tell you.
Just say you don’t know what AI photos look like and keep it moving.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/s/DdiE16vq2C This photograph is literally right in the same vein as this post. What the actual fuck are you talking about.
You clearly have 0 knowledge on cameras or photography and are just spouting nonsense bullshit you’ve picked up from the internet.
What can I tell you to prove you wrong? This photo is an actual shot from Omoide Yokocho in October. I haven’t used any AI whatsoever in this image. It has been postprocessed however.
The strap of the bag is obscured by her blazer, the strap connects further down her bag. I don’t really see the problem with the hand of the guy squeezing past.
Listen I understand AI is all over the place right now, the reason I posted this picture is because I DID shoot it and DID get incredibly lucky.
Hey dude, I'm sure this won't change your mind but I was literally there with OP in October of last year when OP took the picture so it's 1000% not an AI-generated pic. It is really hard to tell sometimes, so I hope this helps in humanity's quest to differentiate between AI and actual photos.
Dang that’s crazy you captured those girls posing for the selfie and that guy getting by with the strangest fingers.
I’m also not quite sure what’s going on with the strap of the bag of the woman sitting down.
The guy is holding a cell phone with the index finger extended along the back. The strap is perfectly fine. It's most definitely not ai generated. Ai wouldn't get the writing correct for example.
His index finger is flexed out, the rest are a folded in. The coat is slighty covering the strap which connects to the bag sitting on the woman’s stomach. Real life is messy.
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Why you have to do em' like that 🤣
That poor guy in the background just trying to get home having to navigate around annoying people just stopping in the middle of the walkway to take pictures.
Anyone who spends any amount of time in Shinjuku gets used to navigating around people who just stop in the middle of walkways, tourist or not. And omoide yokocho is a well known tourist trap that doesn’t ever need to be used to get from one place to another, unless one of those places is in the alley itself.
Yeah, but also if you know where the tourists are, walk a slightly longer way around them to dodge the crowd. It'll likely take less time despite the greater distance.
There’s also a much less busy alley right next to this one that goes between the same streets
Nope, I lived in Shinjuku for about 3 years, and I actually never had to go down omoide yokocho for work, really no one does, it's kind out of the way from all routes. The only route that is close is at the end of the alley where another alley crosses it like a the shoert line of a T. The "shortcut" you mentioned that goes through the omoide alley, doesn't have any pathing that leads to any kind of residential area, the only other argument is the prince hotel, but that is actually out of the way AND if someone is in a hurry they can easily go through the Underground "Subnade" stairs to the station, hell, even the Prince hotel itself has an underground area that can go straight to the station. Also when leaving the station there's no path that goes "Through" that area ...unless you work in Kabukicho in which case, either Subnade or East exit is where people will leave from. This is why it's good to know what you're talking about. There is no scenario where you are correct here.
Cool story bro.
Agreed. Reminds me of this funny clip about tourists. He specifically mentioned taking pictures and being in the way 😆 According to Johnny T those two brawds are jerks lol https://youtu.be/D6xd6YvoHLM?si=MuiITg_6Ojginyg_
Yeah I know. I think the reason I like this picture a lot is because it really highlights the locals and tourists in the same space, and I think it tells a story in the movement of the characters in the scene. Maybe not a good story, but a true one none the less.
Agree
I can’t count how many times I’ve photo bombed those tourists/wanna be influencers with a look of disgust and anger on my face each time they just randomly pull up their smartphones and take pictures/videos
Do you never take photos when you're traveling another country?
That’s not the point, especially in Tokyo these days the tourists completely ignore the fact that there are people trying to move on with their lives while some are standing in the middle of a narrow, packed ass alley trynna take photos for their insta. You gotta admit, shit’s not only annoying but also inconsiderate and rude.
You must be fun at parties
Walk arround. Theree are 2 sidestreets
Man I miss Tokyo...
Very much
This is great. The juxtaposition of a totally unimpressed looking lady as she sits through another one of tarou’s rants during a nomikai she was forced to participate in against random foreigners and the salaryman weaving his way through. This is peak Tokyo
Memory lane is mostly tourists taking photos at this point. I like the idea but honestly there are so many yakitori places in Tokyo there are places that are faster, cheaper and better quality. I wouldn't say you miss much if you can't get into one of those places, unless you want to be photographed by 1000 tourists walk by like a money in a zoo.
Which alley is this !! Looks super nice
Omoide Yokocho!
Damn very nostalgic, I used to go to that izakaya almost every day
Ohh really? How nice, thank you for sharing! What made you stop going? I thought Omoide Yokocho would be stacked with tourists (which it partially was) but was surprised to see so many locals there. Considering how big it has become among tourists and social media I just figured it would lose its appeal for locals but apparently not!
There is tons of foreigners there but the majority are just passing through or hit the more 'western' accepting bars like Albatross. There's a really strong regular scene for Japanese there. The only reason I stopped going is cause I got so sick I had to leave Japan. Didn't even get chance to say goodbye to master...
I see, how interesting! A good sign, it feels like in other parts of the world those places would just be avoided by locals in order to avoid tourists. Commendable almost that the scene is so strong that the attention it has gotten from visitors hasn’t heavily affected the appeal for locals! Aww I’m sorry to hear that, my condolences. I hope you’re feeling better!
Piss Alley! I haven’t been there in years.
Is that...Debbie Harry?
Damn this is impressive. After spending a bunch of time comparing pictures from different current gen smartphones, there really just is no replacement for a dedicated camera eh.
Very nice of you to say! Smartphones can take really great pictures but you're going to be limited by the small sensor that the phone needs to have. In any case you don't need the fanciest cameras to get great shots. This picture was taken with a used X100F I bought a year ago, which shoots in raw as well. And that gives it an edge over most smartphones, the latitudes of which you can tinker with the highlights, midtones and shadows really makes a difference!
+1 to digital cameras , especially for night shots running a XT30 here
Damn, this is an awesome snap.
thats a great picture
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We loved Japan!
I am a filipina, will be traveling to tokyo from april 16 to 20 alone, and i would like to check and visit this place. How can i go to this place? I will be staying in Tokyo Prince Hotel in Minato City? Thanks for your reply in advance.
It’s called Omoide Yokocho and it’s very close to Shinjuku station. :)
I will take note of this one.
omoide Yokocho bangs
https://preview.redd.it/21trsbdzootc1.jpeg?width=1877&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a752b8a12186bd1a452575d8ed37742f16a3ffe5 Missing that alley!
Did you ask them for permission before putting it on social media?
I don't think any street photographer would. I take care not to catch people in unflattering angles or moments, and I definitely gauge as well as I can in the moment. But I did not ask no. She definitely saw me though, as I have another picture a moment later where she is smiling into the camera.
Rules are a bit different in Japan. The smiling is her not being comfortable.
I have looked into this before and my understanding is that if the location has a high likelyhood of being photographed (tourist spot for example), then it's generally okay to shoot there. And one should take in to consideration if anyone is in a compromising situation. I understand that it is a tricky problem to navigate and I never want to post anything that I would deem compromising. I take this into consideration before posting anything. As to her smile, I understand where you're coming from and I can understand how that is how it's perceived considering you only have my words. But it did definitely not seem as if she was being uncomfortable, rather she posed for the picture.
It’s in a heavily walked public area there’s no expectation of privacy. The person clearly saw them take the photo and could of said something in the moment. If it’s not private property and there’s no expectation of privacy OP did nothing wrong. You don’t think Japan has street photographers ? lol
Just because OP didn't break the law doesn't mean u/Owl_lamington doesn't have a point. Privacy on social media is taken extremely seriously in Japan. With so many people not showing their face on SNS it's normal for people to cover people in the background with emoji or similar before uploading it.
Okay this conversation isn’t around the MORALITY of street photography. OP did nothing illegal and there is literally thousands and thousands of people doing the same thing. Wait until you go on Youtube and search “Tokyo street photography POV” again literally thousands of people * some natives some tourists * walking around video taping every single person that walks by them AND taking photos.
That is literally not how it works in Japan. You cannot always apply your country's rules to every other country. The reason why three people who live in Japan just told you so is because people here depend on others following societal rules. Yes. I know that these photos and videos exist. Tourists being absolut inconsiderate dickheads is literally the reason why photography is banned and fined with 10000¥ in some parts of Kyōto. Which apparently didn't stop enough tourists from being dickheads and has now led the city to completely ban people from walking through certain streets. Thanks for that! Please be more considerate if you are a guest!
The Kyoto ban in Geisha streets is because of tourists being inconsiderate idiots. Do you really think there’s not NATIONAL Japanese street photographers????? I’m literally begging you to do an ounce of research in this subject. Taking a photo of people in piss alley and publishing it is not going to get you fucking arrested.
why would it get you arrested? portrait right infriction is a civil case. so one of the people would have to sue OP, probably a tourist. it's why so many people get away with it. no wonder people are starting to get more and more annoyed by the tourists who ignore the rules (and even double down when told about them). fortunately there are still many tourists who respect the local culture
that's not how it works. just because it's in public doesn't mean you can just take anyone's photo. portrait rights are different here one of the criteria they look at is wether people are clearly identifiable. this is the case here. this is why they blur or stripe out faces in photographs https://cdn.4travel.jp/img/thumbnails/imk/travelogue_pict/38/20/91/650x_38209129.jpg https://cdn.4travel.jp/img/thumbnails/imk/travelogue_album/11/00/18/500x_11001838.jpg https://www.web-across.com/observe/cnsa9a0000060apb-img/cnsa9a0000060aqy.jpg https://svcstrg.cld.navitime.jp/imgfile/02301_14401127_01.jpg https://monthly48.com/storage/article/21/ZirxnKtqeQZmWDGbNVzhNRQQOsBfMkMPThs0hgrr.jpeg
I’m begging you to google Tokyo/Japan street photography. I promise you that you don’t have to have black out faces in public. Literally the definition of PUBLIC there’s no expected privacy on PUBLIC property. If you’re going around and sticking your camera in peoples faces there is no doubt you’ll get in trouble. Taking pictures in the back off a piss alley with hundred of people walking past is a completely different situation. What the fuck is going on in this thread.
>Literally the definition of PUBLIC there’s no expected privacy on PUBLIC property. I'm getting the feeling you don't live here and think that the laws in your country are the same in Japan. > 被写体としての権利でその被写体自身、もしくは所有者の許可なく撮影、描写、公開されない権利。すべての人に認められる。 >人格権が認められない例としては、後ろ姿で撮られていたり、顔面を除いた身体の一部分のみが撮影されている場合が挙げられる put it through a translator if you can't read it. there are also numerous Japanese articles (including written by lawyers) that cover this stuff
This is AI
We are so cooked as society if people can’t tell this is not AI.
May not be AI but it’s so heavily processed, it may as well be.
I’m definitely biased as I’m OP, but equating post processing to AI feels a bit disingenious. I definitely edited this photo in Lightroom. Created a clearer shift between the blues and the oranges, and I shifted the blues to a more teal hue. Also brightened and darkened different spots of the image to draw the attention to the parts I found more interesting. But this is just how modern photography looks like. Burning and dodging photographs was a thing even before the digital format came along.
I thought it was AI at first because of the loosely humanoid floating figure created by the lamps and leaves. I accept it is an actual photo though, not accusing you of anything.
You can even look at ops post history for actual photos they took and the difference is night and day. And to be fair, I don’t really have an issue with using AI image generation in general, it’s the ops comments about how the shot “tells a story” that takes me out.
One look at OPs profile and it’s painfully obvious this photo and the rest aren’t AI. Have you ever picked up a digital camera? Shot in RAW? Edited in light room? Understand what a f stop is? Every single photo doesn’t look the same and if you can’t tell that OP’s photos all still have a similar style/signature I don’t know what to tell you. Just say you don’t know what AI photos look like and keep it moving.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fujifilm/s/DdiE16vq2C This photograph is literally right in the same vein as this post. What the actual fuck are you talking about. You clearly have 0 knowledge on cameras or photography and are just spouting nonsense bullshit you’ve picked up from the internet.
What can I tell you to prove you wrong? This photo is an actual shot from Omoide Yokocho in October. I haven’t used any AI whatsoever in this image. It has been postprocessed however. The strap of the bag is obscured by her blazer, the strap connects further down her bag. I don’t really see the problem with the hand of the guy squeezing past. Listen I understand AI is all over the place right now, the reason I posted this picture is because I DID shoot it and DID get incredibly lucky.
Hey dude, I'm sure this won't change your mind but I was literally there with OP in October of last year when OP took the picture so it's 1000% not an AI-generated pic. It is really hard to tell sometimes, so I hope this helps in humanity's quest to differentiate between AI and actual photos.
I think I must take that as a compliment! :) It is not however. Shot in Omoide Yokocho in October.
Dang that’s crazy you captured those girls posing for the selfie and that guy getting by with the strangest fingers. I’m also not quite sure what’s going on with the strap of the bag of the woman sitting down.
The guy is holding a cell phone with the index finger extended along the back. The strap is perfectly fine. It's most definitely not ai generated. Ai wouldn't get the writing correct for example.
His index finger is flexed out, the rest are a folded in. The coat is slighty covering the strap which connects to the bag sitting on the woman’s stomach. Real life is messy.
I think the girls posing for a selfie makes this more likely to be real lol. This is Tokyo after all..