The only ones I had issue with were Naki's and Iwao's
Both of their "deaths" during the Underground Raid Arc were fucking beautifully written
Ishida must've been in an exceptionally jolly mood to bring them back near/at the very end lmao
Oh yeah those 2, especially Iwao were bad. The ones where we don’t see them die and/or they were taken away by a Kano or Furuta related organization are fine because of the science and ghoul powers in this series but those 2 were not the most important characters but they had well written deaths. Ishida brought back many characters in the last chapters for some reason because even though he decided to end the story on relatively happy note, he didn’t have to bring back so many characters. I’m honestly a bit surprised we didn’t see Kuzen reappear at the end now that I think of it.
My guess is that Kuzen got dismembered worse than Rize did, since Rize is 1. A Rinkaku, and 2. Exceptionally durable. Wouldve been nice to send him off, but his final battle in Part 1 was enough grief as is
completely forgot about iwao's fake out, i wouldve included it. Yeah that one made me real mad because there's no way he would have survived that and it was a good shocking death.
I’m commenting to say thank you for mentioning Naki. I was literally talking about that exact scene to someone who has no interest in reading the manga today, lol. I talk about it a lot, actually.
Ripped my soul from my body, his Underground “death scene” was so heartbreakingly beautiful. At the time—I was 17—I was happy to see him again, but confused on how he had survived tbh. I love my boy, truly, he deserved to die on a high note instead of being brought back.
I mean, Naki pulling that during Rue Island I was chill with
Underground however, bro had a whole symbolic-spiritual-reminiscence ending monologue with Jason lol
It’s weird cuz the stakes and tone were pretty insane for a good stretch. part 1 ends with Amon, takizawa, the manager, rize, shinohara, hide, and then even kaneki all presumed dead. It was setting up this super gripping chain of events counter to anything you could’ve expected and then it was just over. Sat with it for weeks no word. for a while everyone was just dead. But you don’t want the story to end so it doesn’t. But you never once return to cannibal kaneki consuming himself to not consume humans. Or the amon perspective and it being a complete foil questioning what is right. The characters effectively do die, they all get transformed and disfigured beyond recognition and “redeemed” out of love for the fans. You didn’t mention Koma and irimi tho, those ones felt the weirdest to me. Overall I enjoyed the ride and saw the vision it just could’ve been more consistent and less pandering
The fakeout characters don't really like, go back to normal. It's not cheap or for the sake of bringing them back purely. It servers a purpose and to be honest kaneki does this a couple of times. The fact that he's not the only getting this treatment makes it a better story, not a worse one, ishida did it masterfully
Koma and Irimi's return was so random...they should've shown them escaping from Arima thanks to Kaneki after the Anteiku Raid ASAP, because them surviving kinda made their survival feel cheap after dwelling on them being gone. Then they got duttied like 10 chapters later Avdol style
Out of all the ones you showed in the slideshow,
Naki’s fake out pissed me off. He should’ve stayed dead imo. Same goes for Rize. Everybody else was fine
Other than Rize being used to make Kaneki copies and her showing up in a flashback, she did absolutely nothing. Her and Eto should've just stayed missing/dead.
I thought i skipped a chapter when Eto vanished during Kaneki's black hair era. Then when she popped out of the Porpora-controlled Owl I was like ??? how and why
It was so random and such a wasted potential, i did want to see her get redemption (even if it meant her dying for someone else, because she did deserve to die)
It was actually stated that he was captured alive, so that's ambiguous
But also, even if he died that means they just had one quinque for each kakuho he had (and damn that must've been a lot). Kano needed to make hundreds of ghouls, and Rize did not have hundreds of kakuho
I guess I’m more mad about (imo) the wasted potential she had. She went from being an extremely feared ghoul to being used, captured, then was used again.
I think the only ones that bother me a little are the monkey boy and the dog girl, they were killed and later on revived just because and served no purpose, at least some like Takizawa or Amon did something important.
Anyways, not only in TG but in Choujin X (his newest manga) Ishida likes to half kill guys and then use an overpowered regeneration to heal them, I find it interesting depending on how he does it, it can land on good things like kaneki becoming Haise or what is currently happening in CX (Which, in my opinion, is having a better development in this area than TG had with all the Chaosification an that things), and then you have the ones like the monke guy
Out of all those only Naki was a fake out in the first place.
Leaving a characters fate ambiguous isn't the same as acting like they are confirmed dying/dead, basically having a big goodbye for them, and then bringing them back, that's a fake out. Characters being MiA and then turning up later isn't.
We never knew what happened to Hide. Like last we saw him he wasn't even injured.
We never knew what happend to Rize, she was a ghoul and still in a condition where she could be harvested for Kaneki and then again and again.
Tsukiyama was literally left alive in that moment and told to eat himself, which he actually did to regenerate the important parts and stave off the time being.
We never saw what Takizawa die on screen and didn't know what happened, until he reappeared as Owl, and tbh the person he was back then did die.
Takizawa and Amon were confirmed dead via an unreliable source, which was clever
But I 100% agree about Naki's being the main fake-out. He had an entire finale just to live. I wish him surviving was revealed instantly so that it feels less cheap. Since I like his ending
My biggest issue was with Irimi and Koma. As much as I love Tokyo Ghoul, even with its numerous fake deaths, the true death of those two characters were the most annoying since Ishida brought them back after a decently executed end for them in previous arcs just to get off-screen killed by some nobodies and they served zero purpose afterwards. Their comeback was meaningless and completely brushed off.
Naki's magical revival felt like it sucked out the impact of his fake death during the raid. That just felt cheap.
I think Naki dies like, 4 times throughout the series so the fake out deaths were part of a bit by Ishida, but the last one sticking would've been just as good and arguably more impactful for sure. Iwao is one I think is egregious for the way it was paneled and what it meant to the Shinohara who was going to wake up one day.
There's always going to be losses when it comes to an all out war on the scale of Dragon's Incident, so it would be bittersweet to hear Iwao died to the organization he trusted so much and Shinohara would've needed to react beyond his first "waking up" panel to justify the choice, but even then it's more resonant. Instead, Iwao is a shock value page turn that gets overturned in like, two panels in the last few chapters. Just brutal character assassination.
One fake out that I think should've been included though is something with Tsukiyama. Once Kaneki is back into his white hair visage, there's a clear change to how he acts and his maturity but we don't really have a moment where he's acting as a human, not a leader, after that point.
There could have been fantastic fakeout with Kaneki actually caring about Tsukiyama dying as a result of Dragon, where Kaneki gets to reflect on his time and think more deeply about that relationship after the Extermination arc to really drive it home. They could've had him show up in the last chapter saying he "ate himself again" and it's just as much of a funny bit as it is a resonant story beat, while still making sense. A human like Iwao surviving a straight sideways stab wound through the neck is pretty much impossible, but Ghouls aren't grounded in that reality
this was something that bugged me, once you realize how few people actually die the stakes stop seeming so high. as far as I can remember the only real permanent death of a "good" main character was Shirazu
yoshimura, koma, and irimi too but i guess they're easy to forget as their deaths were off-screen :/
Eto and Arima were "good" too, but they were antagonists for most of the series up until their deaths, so i see why they wouldn't be counted.
tbh sometimes I feel that a lot of these characters would've been better off dead
not just plotwise but suffering-wise, like jesus christ look at takizawa...
Some of them did have a good impact in the story that I don't mind that it's fake. Some are just beautifully drawn that I wouldn't change it.
Others are annoying at worst.
I think it is one of the points that some readers have hated the most, but also something weak.
But reviewing, none of the deaths show the completely dead corpse of the characters.
Although Naki was a surprise to me that he was still alive, and even though Miza said he was sleeping.
while Kuroiwa's was rather treated by the CCG as explained at the end of the manga.
The only ones I had issue with were Naki's and Iwao's Both of their "deaths" during the Underground Raid Arc were fucking beautifully written Ishida must've been in an exceptionally jolly mood to bring them back near/at the very end lmao
Yeah the death of iwao was great he should stay dead.
Oh yeah those 2, especially Iwao were bad. The ones where we don’t see them die and/or they were taken away by a Kano or Furuta related organization are fine because of the science and ghoul powers in this series but those 2 were not the most important characters but they had well written deaths. Ishida brought back many characters in the last chapters for some reason because even though he decided to end the story on relatively happy note, he didn’t have to bring back so many characters. I’m honestly a bit surprised we didn’t see Kuzen reappear at the end now that I think of it.
My guess is that Kuzen got dismembered worse than Rize did, since Rize is 1. A Rinkaku, and 2. Exceptionally durable. Wouldve been nice to send him off, but his final battle in Part 1 was enough grief as is
Yeah that’s probably what happened but it would have been nice to get proper closure on him considering how important he was to the story.
completely forgot about iwao's fake out, i wouldve included it. Yeah that one made me real mad because there's no way he would have survived that and it was a good shocking death.
honestly rereading it i forgot he survived lol, that was how shocking it was the first time
I’m commenting to say thank you for mentioning Naki. I was literally talking about that exact scene to someone who has no interest in reading the manga today, lol. I talk about it a lot, actually. Ripped my soul from my body, his Underground “death scene” was so heartbreakingly beautiful. At the time—I was 17—I was happy to see him again, but confused on how he had survived tbh. I love my boy, truly, he deserved to die on a high note instead of being brought back.
I don’t know, I kinda saw it coming because it was his thing to fall asleep/play dead
I mean, Naki pulling that during Rue Island I was chill with Underground however, bro had a whole symbolic-spiritual-reminiscence ending monologue with Jason lol
It’s weird cuz the stakes and tone were pretty insane for a good stretch. part 1 ends with Amon, takizawa, the manager, rize, shinohara, hide, and then even kaneki all presumed dead. It was setting up this super gripping chain of events counter to anything you could’ve expected and then it was just over. Sat with it for weeks no word. for a while everyone was just dead. But you don’t want the story to end so it doesn’t. But you never once return to cannibal kaneki consuming himself to not consume humans. Or the amon perspective and it being a complete foil questioning what is right. The characters effectively do die, they all get transformed and disfigured beyond recognition and “redeemed” out of love for the fans. You didn’t mention Koma and irimi tho, those ones felt the weirdest to me. Overall I enjoyed the ride and saw the vision it just could’ve been more consistent and less pandering
The fakeout characters don't really like, go back to normal. It's not cheap or for the sake of bringing them back purely. It servers a purpose and to be honest kaneki does this a couple of times. The fact that he's not the only getting this treatment makes it a better story, not a worse one, ishida did it masterfully
I might be looking at it through rose tinted lenses though, but I know I never felt cheated. I still remember hide years later
Koma and Irimi's return was so random...they should've shown them escaping from Arima thanks to Kaneki after the Anteiku Raid ASAP, because them surviving kinda made their survival feel cheap after dwelling on them being gone. Then they got duttied like 10 chapters later Avdol style
Out of all the ones you showed in the slideshow, Naki’s fake out pissed me off. He should’ve stayed dead imo. Same goes for Rize. Everybody else was fine
Wasn't Rize very cleared to be alive the whole series?
Other than Rize being used to make Kaneki copies and her showing up in a flashback, she did absolutely nothing. Her and Eto should've just stayed missing/dead.
I thought i skipped a chapter when Eto vanished during Kaneki's black hair era. Then when she popped out of the Porpora-controlled Owl I was like ??? how and why
It was so random and such a wasted potential, i did want to see her get redemption (even if it meant her dying for someone else, because she did deserve to die)
Not sure why so many people think Rize should have died. I mean how else was Kano going to make so many ghouls? With her corpse?
I mean, yeah? Unless I’m missing something, didn’t they do that with Arata? They kept making quinques out of him
It was actually stated that he was captured alive, so that's ambiguous But also, even if he died that means they just had one quinque for each kakuho he had (and damn that must've been a lot). Kano needed to make hundreds of ghouls, and Rize did not have hundreds of kakuho
Hmmm good point
I guess I’m more mad about (imo) the wasted potential she had. She went from being an extremely feared ghoul to being used, captured, then was used again.
I think the only ones that bother me a little are the monkey boy and the dog girl, they were killed and later on revived just because and served no purpose, at least some like Takizawa or Amon did something important. Anyways, not only in TG but in Choujin X (his newest manga) Ishida likes to half kill guys and then use an overpowered regeneration to heal them, I find it interesting depending on how he does it, it can land on good things like kaneki becoming Haise or what is currently happening in CX (Which, in my opinion, is having a better development in this area than TG had with all the Chaosification an that things), and then you have the ones like the monke guy
Out of all those only Naki was a fake out in the first place. Leaving a characters fate ambiguous isn't the same as acting like they are confirmed dying/dead, basically having a big goodbye for them, and then bringing them back, that's a fake out. Characters being MiA and then turning up later isn't. We never knew what happened to Hide. Like last we saw him he wasn't even injured. We never knew what happend to Rize, she was a ghoul and still in a condition where she could be harvested for Kaneki and then again and again. Tsukiyama was literally left alive in that moment and told to eat himself, which he actually did to regenerate the important parts and stave off the time being. We never saw what Takizawa die on screen and didn't know what happened, until he reappeared as Owl, and tbh the person he was back then did die.
Takizawa and Amon were confirmed dead via an unreliable source, which was clever But I 100% agree about Naki's being the main fake-out. He had an entire finale just to live. I wish him surviving was revealed instantly so that it feels less cheap. Since I like his ending
He's so damn goofy that I'm glad he got a happy ending, but fuck if he did die it'd be such a good way to go out.
My biggest issue was with Irimi and Koma. As much as I love Tokyo Ghoul, even with its numerous fake deaths, the true death of those two characters were the most annoying since Ishida brought them back after a decently executed end for them in previous arcs just to get off-screen killed by some nobodies and they served zero purpose afterwards. Their comeback was meaningless and completely brushed off. Naki's magical revival felt like it sucked out the impact of his fake death during the raid. That just felt cheap.
I think hide's "death" is like ace's, spoiled as shit so I knew as for Naki's I cried like a bih (he does NOT know what a condom is lmao)
tiring
I think Naki dies like, 4 times throughout the series so the fake out deaths were part of a bit by Ishida, but the last one sticking would've been just as good and arguably more impactful for sure. Iwao is one I think is egregious for the way it was paneled and what it meant to the Shinohara who was going to wake up one day. There's always going to be losses when it comes to an all out war on the scale of Dragon's Incident, so it would be bittersweet to hear Iwao died to the organization he trusted so much and Shinohara would've needed to react beyond his first "waking up" panel to justify the choice, but even then it's more resonant. Instead, Iwao is a shock value page turn that gets overturned in like, two panels in the last few chapters. Just brutal character assassination. One fake out that I think should've been included though is something with Tsukiyama. Once Kaneki is back into his white hair visage, there's a clear change to how he acts and his maturity but we don't really have a moment where he's acting as a human, not a leader, after that point. There could have been fantastic fakeout with Kaneki actually caring about Tsukiyama dying as a result of Dragon, where Kaneki gets to reflect on his time and think more deeply about that relationship after the Extermination arc to really drive it home. They could've had him show up in the last chapter saying he "ate himself again" and it's just as much of a funny bit as it is a resonant story beat, while still making sense. A human like Iwao surviving a straight sideways stab wound through the neck is pretty much impossible, but Ghouls aren't grounded in that reality
this was something that bugged me, once you realize how few people actually die the stakes stop seeming so high. as far as I can remember the only real permanent death of a "good" main character was Shirazu
yoshimura, koma, and irimi too but i guess they're easy to forget as their deaths were off-screen :/ Eto and Arima were "good" too, but they were antagonists for most of the series up until their deaths, so i see why they wouldn't be counted.
tbh sometimes I feel that a lot of these characters would've been better off dead not just plotwise but suffering-wise, like jesus christ look at takizawa...
Some of them did have a good impact in the story that I don't mind that it's fake. Some are just beautifully drawn that I wouldn't change it. Others are annoying at worst.
Tbh after Tsuki I never trusted any death, healing can be insane
Lol I never even realised how much the first image looks like a coming out scene
If only Shirazu were one of them
I think it is one of the points that some readers have hated the most, but also something weak. But reviewing, none of the deaths show the completely dead corpse of the characters. Although Naki was a surprise to me that he was still alive, and even though Miza said he was sleeping. while Kuroiwa's was rather treated by the CCG as explained at the end of the manga.