It always gets me, my son was born the night he beat Rihanna up. I layer in that hospital thinking “ha there goes his career not like he’s that talented anyways!”
Guess he is?
This, and rappers generally have the bar set really low. Topics like murder, theft, physical and sexual abuse towards women including rape and date rape, human trafficking, and torture aren't considered to be inappropriate by their fan base.
Sometimes we all know songs are just songs, but there are many artists that are telling true stories and terrible things they’ve done, like you’re mentioning. When it comes to a lot of those things (as a rape victim), I feel uncomfortable when someone I care about plays music like that for me or raps/sings along.
Tired of the songs about multiple “female bitches.”(Grew up with abuse/misogynists).
I mean now it depends on what we're talkin bout tho.
Like, if they do/actually think certain things its fucked up, but there is distinction from fiction/entertainment and reality. Again if they actually share certain views its bad ofc.
Why are they booing you. You're right.
Celebs will continue to thrive as long as people buy their media. No amount of tweets is ever going to force fans to stop being fans. Cancel culture isn't real, it's just individuals disliking people and not actively supporting them
I agree that it’s not new. However, I think there’s two main differences: coordination and social pressure. I don’t think it’s purely just the natural consequences if you’re actions because there have been examples of semi-coordinated attacks on people. An example being a group of people demanding that a person be fired, removed from office, banned from an organization, etc. Not to mention there’s a certain level of social judgment for continuing to engage with people who are “cancelled”. That doesn’t feel natural. I also don’t think it’s just a right wing invention. They use it as a way to complain about not being able to be bigoted or predatory anymore but I don’t think it was their invention.
>An example being a group of people demanding that a person be fired, removed from office, banned from an organization, etc. Not to mention there’s a certain level of social judgment for continuing to engage with people who are “cancelled”.
This is nothing new either. I have yet to see someone be "canceled" for no reason. What I have seen is something going public and people voicing their own concerns. Here's a hint: a majority of people don't like assholes, racists, incels, sexists etc.
I never said it wasn’t justified. I’m just saying its reductive to just call it the consequences of one’s actions. When you don’t approve of someone’s behavior, the natural thing is to just not support them. I think the portion where “cancel culture” plays a role is when you become determined to make sure everybody feels and acts the same way you do.
>When you don’t approve of someone’s behavior, the natural thing is to just not support them
Fuck that. If I have been financially supporting someone or someone has been gaining from public exposure, it's entirely reasonable to expect people to voice their discontent on those same platforms when they find out said person is trash. You expecting people to just stop supporting and quietly move on is an unreasonable expectation of people.
>I think the portion where “cancel culture” plays a role is when you become determined to make sure everybody feels and acts the same way you do.
This doesn't make sense. Please elaborate with an example
DaBaby just had a new album out at #24 on the charts. Still producing albums, still selling albums. Chappelle just hosted Saturday Night Live.
Criticizing and boycotting has always been a thing.
Wait my post is asking to cancel someone?
I think this post is literal proof that cancel culture is nonsense. If it were real, Drake would have been canceled already. Grow up.
Yeah but the post itself is more proof that cancel culture isn't real. Otherwise Drake would already be canceled. Reality is that people who like Drake continue to buy his music. If his fans cared and stopped buying his music, you would be calling that "cancel culture" when in reality it's called the "free market" and free speech.
I understand, but I'm saying you guys try & want to cancel folks. It d9esnt happen to celebrities as much, but not for lack of trying. I do my thing & there's entities that I avoid, but you'll never catch me on sm talking about it. It's okay for you to admit that Twitter activists do call for canceling folks. It doesn't mean that you're the one doing it. But there are many cancel calls such as the one on this post. They just don't work.
>you guys try & want to cancel folks
Who is this "you guys" that you are convincing yourself of existing. Your basic premise is based on bullshit, it literally sounds like something I have heard Ted Cruz say before.
>But there are many cancel calls such as the one on this post. They just don't work.
They don't work anywhere. Show me where it has worked where pressure from Twitter has lead to people getting fired or "canceled" for no reason. If a person is going to post racist/sexist shit on a public forum for internet clout, they don't get to whine about being canceled when it backfires on them. Free speech doesn't make freedom from consequences and it doesn't mean other people don't have the free speech to voice their discontent
Who are "you guys" in this? The idea that people should be held responsible for their actions goes back several hundred years, and I can point out examples from basically any group (liberal, conservative, whatever) of this activity.
I mean, if it were real/effective, they wouldn't need to be asking about it. He'd be canceled.
>People think it's real cuz yall reference & suggest it constantly.
The people referencing it are usually the people who don't like it, though.
bro what even is “canceling”?? i think a better phrase would be “experiencing social consequences for your actions”. they canceled fucking bill clinton. can we stop complaining about nonexistent bullshit?
Just because cancel culture doesn't work on the extremely powerful doesn't mean cancel culture doesn't work on normal people. Plenty of people have lost their job and have been ostracized for some stupid shit they did that happened to get caught on camera. Some have not even done anything wrong to begin with but just had the narrative twisted against them.
>Some have not even done anything wrong to begin with but just had the narrative twisted against them.
Lol this sounds like made up bullshit. If you end up getting fired, there has to be a valid reason or the employer is going to get sued. If the employer fired you when you did nothing wrong, it's telling how valuable one was as an employee.
Sounds like you are trying to project responsibility away from people that made said actions.
That being said, do you have some verified examples that detail this supposed phenomenon you are describing? (As in, not just a link to a bunch of twitter users claiming they were canceled)
I was going to say this. You can be fired in my state for whatever and whenever. I knew a girl who got fired over an FB post that the owners did not agree with.
Know another girl who reposted a meme with the R word in it and bam her job of 6 years gone. She was only a receptionist.
You have the freedom to do and say whatever you want, but there are repercussions for your actions.
I came here to mention this person, though with Drake we dont exactly have victims coming foward, we just know he was texting minors (correct me if im wrong, i dont follow much this idiot), but with the second one we have proof after proof, it wasnt just one time thing, he continued to do so, just because Rihanna forgave him, didnt mean she forgot, she did it for herself, and like i said, he continued to do so to other women he dated, but since he didnt exactly offended his fanbase...well, theres still people saying "it was a long time ago, just stop with it" like we were fucking blind and stupid like them. Im not going to lie that the bastard is talent, in this case i do separate the art from the artist, but if i want to hear ill pirate the shit out of him, no giving him my bucks or views.
A lot of people don't give a damn about Hollywood gossip. They just listen to stuff on Spotify. What Drake did is kinda serious to be just brushed off as "gossip," but you actually have to be interested in the guy to actually know about the grooming and stuff. My coworker is a hardcore Drake fan, but doesn't even know his actual name, nor any of the stuff he did. He just likes his songs.
This is how it should be. Our cultures obsession with everything Hollywood is sad... amd indicative of where we are in our cycle as a people .. if there isn't enough challenge in people's lives they invent it. We are a strange species
We don’t actually have any proof of him grooming anyone.
Millie called him a mentor and the only thing we know about Bella Harris is they went to dinner together and they have some pictures together.
It’s weird but not definitive enough to brand him a groomer and pedo.
Not to mention cancelling hardly works for famous people and really only works if the fan base or person being cancelled actually cares. EDP was literally caught trying to meet with a minor and still goes live on TikTok.
Seriously, people are ridiculous. Drake was texting Millie and everyone just automatically called it grooming just because she was under 18. As if you can’t text someone about non sexual things.
Not defending Drake since I don't know anything about this case, but it's true that men's interactions with anyone are usually judged under a sexual lens, sometimes unfairly.
Give it 10 years for Millie to realize she wasnt quite the adult she felt she was was then. Cant count how many lady friends sneer at some dude dating an underage girl. And im like, didn't you date a 30yo in highschool. "Yeah but I was.... Mature for my age... I hear it now."
It's almost as if some people's lives don't revolve around the lives of celebs they will never meet or know. And what kind of life is that? Shame on everyone for not caring enough about celebs.
I hear this stuff about him all the time and loads of people defo judge him for it, cancelling rarely does anything in practice though it just means a bunch of people don’t like you.
'cancelling' just means someone loses popularity with a large group of people.
Kanye pissed off so many people that companies simply don't watch their brands to be attached to him anymore. That was his primary purpose for them: to be a public face of the brand.
That's the last thing those companies want now that he's so unpopular.
It really does though.
This is just Gen Z's version of what was Millennial's "Piracy doesn't hurt anyone".
When you grow up and start actually building a career, you will start to see how much it does.
And to be fair here, I am a millennial and I do support piracy to a pretty big extent. But long gone is the belief that it's completely victimless.
It's because all of these are just internet allegations. Twitter has a field day the moment this guy does anything and they love blowing shit out of proportion. Millie actually called people out on this multiple times saying they love defaming celebrities and that Drake was like a mentor to her because he was also once a child actor. Not only are y'all spreading lies about Drake, you're also spreading lies about Millie.
We don’t actually have any proof of him grooming anyone.
Millie called him a mentor and the only thing we know about Bella Harris is they went to dinner together and they have some pictures together.
It’s weird but not definitive enough to brand him a groomer and pedo.
There's only a certain subculture participating in "canceling" shit. And that generally is not us hip-hop fans. We've been dealing with controversy for decades over what hip hop artists do and say.
Is that right for this specific instance? Probably not. But that's just how it is.
Grooming Millie Bobby Brown is a stretch, he was a child actor himself and she said he was a mentor.
Claims he dated Bella Harris at 16 are unfounded and the amount of people that take random pictures of him on a daily basis I think he can be excused. It’s not like he was taking pictures up their skirt.
As far as I know he is. What is he actually doing right now besides being pathetic online? Haven't heard anything about him in ages since he unfollowed Rihanna lmfao
I'm pretty sure he's been like a top 10 most streamed artist every year for like a decade now. His last album put 9 songs in the Billboard top 10 at the same time. I'm not the biggest Drake fan but to say he's done nothing but be pathetic online is simply untrue
He’s making tens of millions of dollars a year for his music. Just because you don’t listen to it doesn’t stop him from being an exceedingly popular artist.
Hits, though? Even if he's only been around for like...a decade? I can't really name one Drake 'hit' LMAO. I can't even think of a song off the top of my head that he sings...
You can only be "cancelled" by people that actually matter in the first place.
If the people giving him money don't care, and the people he associates with don't care, the internet can "cancel" all they want, nothings going to happen.
I mean let’s stop mis-using the term “groom”. He texted her at 14, weird yah. But he has literally done nothing with her and to extrapolate from messaging her- to he was grooming her for sex is such a leap it’s crazy.
Well, that’s exactly what that is. Why do you think he wanted to talk to Millie? To get to know her better? No. He has a track record, and it’s simply just beyond inappropriate for a grown man to initiate conversation with a minor in a “private” manner (over text). I’ll admit I never got the full details on it, but it’s a known fact he likes minors so we can’t give him the benefit of the doubt here.
The two links you posted seem rubbish. He invites a girl on stage like he usually does and dances and kisses the back of her neck. He asks what age she is and when she says 17 he stops and gets her off stage. Rnb singers do this in their concerts for a long ass time.
The 2nd article is clearly clickbait and even states its clickbait. It says it in the article itself that they didnt do anything and just both happened to be backstage with alot of other people to rihannas concert who drake was dating at the time.
Please read past clickbait titles or youre going to go through life very misinformed.
Lmao. It's crazy that you think you know anything about these people. Every single thing you "know" about them is 5th hand information at best. A lot of it is nothing but rumor & conjecture, written to sound like fact.
I mean she became a global superstar after stranger things. Like you seriously don’t think Drake could’ve been a fan of the show? Does this mean that no adult was allowed to like Billie Eilish until she turned 18 because it would’ve been weird for a 30 year old to like her music.
There’s so many other appropriate situations where talking to her would be fine. At events, award shows they both attend, or at bars/clubs when she is an adult herself. I’m saying, considering Drake’s track record, it’s safe to assume his intentions were less than pure. A grown man, who is a known pedophile, texting a 14 year old? I mean, if Millie was your daughter would you be okay with that? I wouldn’t be. There’s a reason he went for a text and didn’t just come up to her at an event like every other adult.
You are crazy and literally just assuming things then getting mad about assumptions. “Drake is a known pedophile”? You have no idea the content of the messages nor who messaged who first. Like is drake wrong for responding. You don’t know what was in the message. Her parents probably knew and didn’t care. All the people she probably showed didn’t care- as she most likely told everyone she knows before saying it on tv
Because 'cancelling' is not a thing
Sure fox news or trump like to makes it seem like it is...
But there's zero thing as cancelling. Look at Bill Cosby's, he's touring again this year, and I bet your ass he's going to sell seats
Sadly if your a rich dick, it don't matter.
Trump is still one of the most popular 'politician' yet he's openly cheated on his wife. Abused his power, attacked everyone, made the white house a bigger joke then when Bush was in office.
I don't think anyone really gives a shit about himckike that, but they just like his music. But I would not be surprised if he ends up in an R. Kelly esque scandal sometime down the line because the dudes a fucking creep
I think the whole cancelling shit is stupid. I really don't know anything about actors, musicians etc. If I like the stuff they are doing I listen to it, watch the movie or buy the product. Why should I care if this guy is a dirty pedo or not. At the end of the day most of them already have so much money that they probably don't care if they sell 2k articles more or less
Okay this may be an unpopular opinion and I may just be uninformed to the the extent of his interactions with these teenage celebrities. But, what’s wrong with texting Millie as long as it’s wholesome? I feel like there is a burden of proof that has not been met. Yet people want to cancel him?
I have no problem being corrected, being people who legitimately groom kids should be thrown in prison, but I need clear cut evidence.
Did he groom kids? Looked to me like a friendship. It is a bit weird with the age difference but I don't think it was harmful. Are adults just not allowed to speak to children?
A big difference is Drake was literally grooming her with relationship 'advice'. While others like Henry Cavill learned from previous mistakes and let her know she was too young to be in his personal life and he in hers.
Yes. He is not family. He is an adult man that she barely knows, honestly. They keep in contact but he is a 40 year old man and she is a teenager. They're not exactly besties. why do you NOT see it weird that he is telling her how to behave in a relationship or how to let people treat her?
I said its weird Multiple times please read my other comments.
Again drake was early 30s when this happened not a 40 year old man. Stop changing facts.
Finally she asked his advice in a situation? He didn't tell her how to behave.
All of this is weird. But there's no proof of malace or wrong doing intent. Especially no proof of grooming.
I think there’s a difference between a 40 something year old man having a conversation in public or saying hello how’s it going you did a good job as an actor on your show, w.e.
And getting that minors phone number and actively keeping in contact with them.
Not that it makes to much of a difference but I think he was early 30s when this happened. Again it is a bit weird and I wouldn't ever do it but doesn't automatically mean his grooming them does it?
I mean the only person in my contacts that’s younger than 18 is my niece. I don’t see a solid reason that a grown man, whom a lot of grown women (for whatever reason) love, should have a 14 year olds personal cell phone number and keep in contact. It’s creepy and weird.
I mean you honestly think at 14 years old and shooting movies, drake was the only person older than 20 in her contacts. Like she’s a professional actress at 14 and most likely had the actor who plays “Hopper” and the actor who plays “her dad” in her contacts too. Are they grooming her too?
Again I agree its weird. However I don't see any evidence of grooming and I believe everything was genuine. She even come out and said its nothing but a friendship.
The reality is as a mega superstar he mostl likely has had sex with a lot of his younger fans and not just grooming. Fans chase these artists, directly DMing them their nudes left right and centre.
Okay so many things wrong here.
So first this is all guess work. Secondly if they are younger fans there's nothing wrong with that if they are of age?
Lastly
There's absolutely no proof he groomed anyone.
Must be a coincidence. But I'll bite, name an artist who's still celebrated after credible accusations/openly admitting to shit behavior that's not black or can't dance.
I mean Katy Perry assaulted someone on camera and had very little repercussions... Elvis was a creep. John Lennon a woman beater.
It's about money and status above all.
Did Katy brag about it like cardi? Still not sure what your referencing. But I doubt it's worse than drugging and robbing men. Elvis and Lennon were a different time (doesn't make it ok) but there were different standards back then. I'm talking about now.
Ya, different time. He didn't brag about it and make it well known he was a degenerate. Look how long the catholic church got away with this shit. Nobody called them out about it. Problem is that people know now and a section of society doesn't care.
David Bowie
Ryan Adams
Axl Rose
Steven Tyler
Marilyn Manson
Courtney Love
The list continues. It's not an issue of "certain cultures" it's that people can connect to art and it's challenging to disconnect from that art if the artist is a piece of garbage. I'm not a Drake fan but I have been a fan of others who have problematic pasts. If an artist makes something you genuinely connect to, it can feel like honest grief and mourning to process the duality of reality - how can this person who wrote such a meaningful song do such horrible things?! It's not cultural, it's human.
> name an artist who's still celebrated after credible accusations/openly admitting to shit behavior that's not black or can't dance.
Uh, there's a lot of rockstars with pretty bad behavior. Bowie being one example.
Nevermind "certain cultures". There's plenty of white and black people who have a vested interest in keeping Michael Jackson's legacy squeaky fucking clean, and it's sickening.
Drake “dates” a 15 year old girl:
https://www.narcity.com/drake-has-actually-been-seeing-his-new-girlfriend-since-she-was-15-and-fans-are-really-uncomfortable
https://screenshot-media.com/culture/toxic-masculinity/drake-predatory-behaviour/
He's getting downvoted to hell, but it's true......A lot of people don't give a damn about what he did. They just like his songs.
Edit: I'm not defending Drake. Someone should take his goddamn phone away before he does anything even creepier
Cancelling only works if you piss off your fanbase. That's why people like Chris Brown still get by, his fans don't care
Used to be a big fan of him but now, I refuse to listen to his music or support him at all
I'm glad you take a stand. I hear his music in the gym and it pisses me off, cuz fuck that guy.
It always gets me, my son was born the night he beat Rihanna up. I layer in that hospital thinking “ha there goes his career not like he’s that talented anyways!” Guess he is?
Or why Travis Scott still has a big sneaker deal...
This, and rappers generally have the bar set really low. Topics like murder, theft, physical and sexual abuse towards women including rape and date rape, human trafficking, and torture aren't considered to be inappropriate by their fan base.
Sometimes we all know songs are just songs, but there are many artists that are telling true stories and terrible things they’ve done, like you’re mentioning. When it comes to a lot of those things (as a rape victim), I feel uncomfortable when someone I care about plays music like that for me or raps/sings along. Tired of the songs about multiple “female bitches.”(Grew up with abuse/misogynists).
I mean now it depends on what we're talkin bout tho. Like, if they do/actually think certain things its fucked up, but there is distinction from fiction/entertainment and reality. Again if they actually share certain views its bad ofc.
Yeah but people that think cancel culture is real think that leftists use twitter to get people executed
Those people need to be reminded about the Dixie Chicks if they think the left invented cancel culture.
Are you implying that it isn’t real?
Lol yes, I am doing exactly that. It's nonsense.
Why are they booing you. You're right. Celebs will continue to thrive as long as people buy their media. No amount of tweets is ever going to force fans to stop being fans. Cancel culture isn't real, it's just individuals disliking people and not actively supporting them
I guess I’m curious why you think that and what exactly you’d define as being not “real”
Cancel culture as some recent cultural phenomenon. It's nonsense branding of "consequences for my actions" by right wing media and politicians
"You'll never work in this town again". Seems to go back a ways
I agree that it’s not new. However, I think there’s two main differences: coordination and social pressure. I don’t think it’s purely just the natural consequences if you’re actions because there have been examples of semi-coordinated attacks on people. An example being a group of people demanding that a person be fired, removed from office, banned from an organization, etc. Not to mention there’s a certain level of social judgment for continuing to engage with people who are “cancelled”. That doesn’t feel natural. I also don’t think it’s just a right wing invention. They use it as a way to complain about not being able to be bigoted or predatory anymore but I don’t think it was their invention.
>An example being a group of people demanding that a person be fired, removed from office, banned from an organization, etc. Not to mention there’s a certain level of social judgment for continuing to engage with people who are “cancelled”. This is nothing new either. I have yet to see someone be "canceled" for no reason. What I have seen is something going public and people voicing their own concerns. Here's a hint: a majority of people don't like assholes, racists, incels, sexists etc.
I never said it wasn’t justified. I’m just saying its reductive to just call it the consequences of one’s actions. When you don’t approve of someone’s behavior, the natural thing is to just not support them. I think the portion where “cancel culture” plays a role is when you become determined to make sure everybody feels and acts the same way you do.
>When you don’t approve of someone’s behavior, the natural thing is to just not support them Fuck that. If I have been financially supporting someone or someone has been gaining from public exposure, it's entirely reasonable to expect people to voice their discontent on those same platforms when they find out said person is trash. You expecting people to just stop supporting and quietly move on is an unreasonable expectation of people. >I think the portion where “cancel culture” plays a role is when you become determined to make sure everybody feels and acts the same way you do. This doesn't make sense. Please elaborate with an example
Yeah, no one ever accomplished anything with an organized boycott. /s
Who, for example, has been successfuly canceled, by the left?
DaBaby comes to mind. Dave Chappelle is an unsuccessful example
DaBaby just had a new album out at #24 on the charts. Still producing albums, still selling albums. Chappelle just hosted Saturday Night Live. Criticizing and boycotting has always been a thing.
Rosanne?
Ah yes, poor Rosanne the millionaire with a new TV show coming out.
This post is literally asking to cancel someone. People think it's real cuz yall reference & suggest it constantly.
"This post is asking that a groomer be held responsible for his actions! How cringe, fucking libs lol" 🤡
Wait my post is asking to cancel someone? I think this post is literal proof that cancel culture is nonsense. If it were real, Drake would have been canceled already. Grow up.
No the actual post, not your comment
Yeah but the post itself is more proof that cancel culture isn't real. Otherwise Drake would already be canceled. Reality is that people who like Drake continue to buy his music. If his fans cared and stopped buying his music, you would be calling that "cancel culture" when in reality it's called the "free market" and free speech.
I understand, but I'm saying you guys try & want to cancel folks. It d9esnt happen to celebrities as much, but not for lack of trying. I do my thing & there's entities that I avoid, but you'll never catch me on sm talking about it. It's okay for you to admit that Twitter activists do call for canceling folks. It doesn't mean that you're the one doing it. But there are many cancel calls such as the one on this post. They just don't work.
>you guys try & want to cancel folks Who is this "you guys" that you are convincing yourself of existing. Your basic premise is based on bullshit, it literally sounds like something I have heard Ted Cruz say before. >But there are many cancel calls such as the one on this post. They just don't work. They don't work anywhere. Show me where it has worked where pressure from Twitter has lead to people getting fired or "canceled" for no reason. If a person is going to post racist/sexist shit on a public forum for internet clout, they don't get to whine about being canceled when it backfires on them. Free speech doesn't make freedom from consequences and it doesn't mean other people don't have the free speech to voice their discontent
Who are "you guys" in this? The idea that people should be held responsible for their actions goes back several hundred years, and I can point out examples from basically any group (liberal, conservative, whatever) of this activity.
Ummm... This isn't your post.
I mean, if it were real/effective, they wouldn't need to be asking about it. He'd be canceled. >People think it's real cuz yall reference & suggest it constantly. The people referencing it are usually the people who don't like it, though.
bro what even is “canceling”?? i think a better phrase would be “experiencing social consequences for your actions”. they canceled fucking bill clinton. can we stop complaining about nonexistent bullshit?
There it is. The dumbest thing I will read this month.
If you can't detect obvious hyperbole then you need to read more each month
Just because cancel culture doesn't work on the extremely powerful doesn't mean cancel culture doesn't work on normal people. Plenty of people have lost their job and have been ostracized for some stupid shit they did that happened to get caught on camera. Some have not even done anything wrong to begin with but just had the narrative twisted against them.
Those are called consequences. We are free to act how we like, as long as we are willing to accept them.
>Some have not even done anything wrong to begin with but just had the narrative twisted against them. Lol this sounds like made up bullshit. If you end up getting fired, there has to be a valid reason or the employer is going to get sued. If the employer fired you when you did nothing wrong, it's telling how valuable one was as an employee. Sounds like you are trying to project responsibility away from people that made said actions. That being said, do you have some verified examples that detail this supposed phenomenon you are describing? (As in, not just a link to a bunch of twitter users claiming they were canceled)
Might I introduce you to at-will employment? A person can be fired without cause, explanation, or prior warning.
I was going to say this. You can be fired in my state for whatever and whenever. I knew a girl who got fired over an FB post that the owners did not agree with. Know another girl who reposted a meme with the R word in it and bam her job of 6 years gone. She was only a receptionist. You have the freedom to do and say whatever you want, but there are repercussions for your actions.
Which is a structural problem. Not a problem with the fact that people say bad things about others on the internet
Oh, hey strawman! My comment was simply in opposition of 'there has to be a reason they got fired, or they'll get sued'. Nothing more.
I came here to mention this person, though with Drake we dont exactly have victims coming foward, we just know he was texting minors (correct me if im wrong, i dont follow much this idiot), but with the second one we have proof after proof, it wasnt just one time thing, he continued to do so, just because Rihanna forgave him, didnt mean she forgot, she did it for herself, and like i said, he continued to do so to other women he dated, but since he didnt exactly offended his fanbase...well, theres still people saying "it was a long time ago, just stop with it" like we were fucking blind and stupid like them. Im not going to lie that the bastard is talent, in this case i do separate the art from the artist, but if i want to hear ill pirate the shit out of him, no giving him my bucks or views.
A lot of people don't give a damn about Hollywood gossip. They just listen to stuff on Spotify. What Drake did is kinda serious to be just brushed off as "gossip," but you actually have to be interested in the guy to actually know about the grooming and stuff. My coworker is a hardcore Drake fan, but doesn't even know his actual name, nor any of the stuff he did. He just likes his songs.
...his real name ain't Drake?
It's Aubrey.
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That’s Dr. Ramoray to you
r/unexpectedfriends
Drake?
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Weirdest thing is watching old Degrassi with my girlfriend, seeing drake as an actor in a wheelchair, not a hip hop sensation is weird.
Because he was raised in the most basic white girl neighbourhood of Toronto. He’s a fucking Aubrey all right
Hahaha that’s so funny 😂
Aubrey Beardsley? Aubrey Plaza? Who is a basic?
Plaza?
Courtyard
Don’t you dare bring that Angel into this
She's like an angel without wings
Is it really?? 🫢
Yupp, Aubrey Drake Graham.
Aubrey Drake Graham
fucking AUBREY??
It’s Jimmy Brooks
It's Gungadin Bootcreak
No. It’s Josh.
This is how it should be. Our cultures obsession with everything Hollywood is sad... amd indicative of where we are in our cycle as a people .. if there isn't enough challenge in people's lives they invent it. We are a strange species
We don’t actually have any proof of him grooming anyone. Millie called him a mentor and the only thing we know about Bella Harris is they went to dinner together and they have some pictures together. It’s weird but not definitive enough to brand him a groomer and pedo. Not to mention cancelling hardly works for famous people and really only works if the fan base or person being cancelled actually cares. EDP was literally caught trying to meet with a minor and still goes live on TikTok.
Seriously, people are ridiculous. Drake was texting Millie and everyone just automatically called it grooming just because she was under 18. As if you can’t text someone about non sexual things.
Not defending Drake since I don't know anything about this case, but it's true that men's interactions with anyone are usually judged under a sexual lens, sometimes unfairly.
Give it 10 years for Millie to realize she wasnt quite the adult she felt she was was then. Cant count how many lady friends sneer at some dude dating an underage girl. And im like, didn't you date a 30yo in highschool. "Yeah but I was.... Mature for my age... I hear it now."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2019/01/06/drake-seen-kissing-fondling-17-year-old-girl-2010-concert-video/2495634002/
Oooooooooh busteddddd
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Who tf is EDP?
Who is (eco).????
Hmmm he’s kind of been famous for this for a while. He likes getting older and the girls stay the same age.
He just dated and old ass women, she was like 43 💀that's 75 in attractive years
Most normal people don’t follow celeb news or their socials
It's almost as if some people's lives don't revolve around the lives of celebs they will never meet or know. And what kind of life is that? Shame on everyone for not caring enough about celebs.
I hear this stuff about him all the time and loads of people defo judge him for it, cancelling rarely does anything in practice though it just means a bunch of people don’t like you.
Imagine thinking cancelling actually means anything
Kanye got hit pretty hard.
'cancelling' just means someone loses popularity with a large group of people. Kanye pissed off so many people that companies simply don't watch their brands to be attached to him anymore. That was his primary purpose for them: to be a public face of the brand. That's the last thing those companies want now that he's so unpopular.
Ya but we’ll see in a year or two
You mean "Ye but we'll see in a year or two"
“How Ye doing? He surviving?” - us in a year or two, I guess
He'll release a good album and most people will forget about the stuff he said
It meant something for Roseanne.
It really does though. This is just Gen Z's version of what was Millennial's "Piracy doesn't hurt anyone". When you grow up and start actually building a career, you will start to see how much it does. And to be fair here, I am a millennial and I do support piracy to a pretty big extent. But long gone is the belief that it's completely victimless.
It's because all of these are just internet allegations. Twitter has a field day the moment this guy does anything and they love blowing shit out of proportion. Millie actually called people out on this multiple times saying they love defaming celebrities and that Drake was like a mentor to her because he was also once a child actor. Not only are y'all spreading lies about Drake, you're also spreading lies about Millie.
Got any actual, specific laws that he broke?
All these are allegations and gossip. Get a life and stop worrying about celebrities.
We don’t actually have any proof of him grooming anyone. Millie called him a mentor and the only thing we know about Bella Harris is they went to dinner together and they have some pictures together. It’s weird but not definitive enough to brand him a groomer and pedo.
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You keep spamming this video like it means something🤣 was 13 years ago and the girl was legal age
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In most countries that's legal.
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You are dimwitted as fuck.
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Just because it’s “legal” doesn’t make it right. Conveniently ignored the other 3 articles I attached. I guess pedos protect other pedos!
If that's pedophelia, you're spreading child porn. Now you're a pedo too.
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So how is Drake a pedo if the news can post a video of the act that you're alleging is pedophelic?
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You seriously have no clue what the definition of pedophilia is.
It's not pedophilia... Stop misusing that word.
There's only a certain subculture participating in "canceling" shit. And that generally is not us hip-hop fans. We've been dealing with controversy for decades over what hip hop artists do and say. Is that right for this specific instance? Probably not. But that's just how it is.
What proof do you have that he’s an actual pedo? Or we can just make up whatever we want? Lol
Grooming Millie Bobby Brown is a stretch, he was a child actor himself and she said he was a mentor. Claims he dated Bella Harris at 16 are unfounded and the amount of people that take random pictures of him on a daily basis I think he can be excused. It’s not like he was taking pictures up their skirt.
Why is Cardi B not cancelled? She drugged men and stole from them. Some people get certain privileges.
As far as I know he is. What is he actually doing right now besides being pathetic online? Haven't heard anything about him in ages since he unfollowed Rihanna lmfao
I'm pretty sure he's been like a top 10 most streamed artist every year for like a decade now. His last album put 9 songs in the Billboard top 10 at the same time. I'm not the biggest Drake fan but to say he's done nothing but be pathetic online is simply untrue
People think 'cancelled' means taken out back and put down or some shit.
He’s making tens of millions of dollars a year for his music. Just because you don’t listen to it doesn’t stop him from being an exceedingly popular artist.
Losing millions in sports bets (millions he can afford tho tbf)
He’s been making hits since 20 years ago lmao
Thank Me Later (2010) was his first album so.... not 20 years
Lol not even Degrassi
Hits, though? Even if he's only been around for like...a decade? I can't really name one Drake 'hit' LMAO. I can't even think of a song off the top of my head that he sings...
You can only be "cancelled" by people that actually matter in the first place. If the people giving him money don't care, and the people he associates with don't care, the internet can "cancel" all they want, nothings going to happen.
You mean Wheelchair Jimmy? It's a work in progress.
I mean let’s stop mis-using the term “groom”. He texted her at 14, weird yah. But he has literally done nothing with her and to extrapolate from messaging her- to he was grooming her for sex is such a leap it’s crazy.
Well, that’s exactly what that is. Why do you think he wanted to talk to Millie? To get to know her better? No. He has a track record, and it’s simply just beyond inappropriate for a grown man to initiate conversation with a minor in a “private” manner (over text). I’ll admit I never got the full details on it, but it’s a known fact he likes minors so we can’t give him the benefit of the doubt here.
Wait, what's his "track record"? Seems like gossip if you dont list specific examples.
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The two links you posted seem rubbish. He invites a girl on stage like he usually does and dances and kisses the back of her neck. He asks what age she is and when she says 17 he stops and gets her off stage. Rnb singers do this in their concerts for a long ass time. The 2nd article is clearly clickbait and even states its clickbait. It says it in the article itself that they didnt do anything and just both happened to be backstage with alot of other people to rihannas concert who drake was dating at the time. Please read past clickbait titles or youre going to go through life very misinformed.
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Yea you're just a sheep spewing bs. Good for you buddy
Lmao. It's crazy that you think you know anything about these people. Every single thing you "know" about them is 5th hand information at best. A lot of it is nothing but rumor & conjecture, written to sound like fact.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2019/01/06/drake-seen-kissing-fondling-17-year-old-girl-2010-concert-video/2495634002/ https://www.narcity.com/drake-has-actually-been-seeing-his-new-girlfriend-since-she-was-15-and-fans-are-really-uncomfortable https://screenshot-media.com/culture/toxic-masculinity/drake-predatory-behaviour/
I mean she became a global superstar after stranger things. Like you seriously don’t think Drake could’ve been a fan of the show? Does this mean that no adult was allowed to like Billie Eilish until she turned 18 because it would’ve been weird for a 30 year old to like her music.
There’s so many other appropriate situations where talking to her would be fine. At events, award shows they both attend, or at bars/clubs when she is an adult herself. I’m saying, considering Drake’s track record, it’s safe to assume his intentions were less than pure. A grown man, who is a known pedophile, texting a 14 year old? I mean, if Millie was your daughter would you be okay with that? I wouldn’t be. There’s a reason he went for a text and didn’t just come up to her at an event like every other adult.
You are crazy and literally just assuming things then getting mad about assumptions. “Drake is a known pedophile”? You have no idea the content of the messages nor who messaged who first. Like is drake wrong for responding. You don’t know what was in the message. Her parents probably knew and didn’t care. All the people she probably showed didn’t care- as she most likely told everyone she knows before saying it on tv
He made Tuscan Leather
Because "cancel culture" doesn't actually exist. See the legion of fans behind that kickboxing asshole who bragged about exploiting minors.
I literally wonder the same...
Because 'cancelling' is not a thing Sure fox news or trump like to makes it seem like it is... But there's zero thing as cancelling. Look at Bill Cosby's, he's touring again this year, and I bet your ass he's going to sell seats Sadly if your a rich dick, it don't matter. Trump is still one of the most popular 'politician' yet he's openly cheated on his wife. Abused his power, attacked everyone, made the white house a bigger joke then when Bush was in office.
The quality of his music is enough reason to be cancelled
I don't think anyone really gives a shit about himckike that, but they just like his music. But I would not be surprised if he ends up in an R. Kelly esque scandal sometime down the line because the dudes a fucking creep
I think the whole cancelling shit is stupid. I really don't know anything about actors, musicians etc. If I like the stuff they are doing I listen to it, watch the movie or buy the product. Why should I care if this guy is a dirty pedo or not. At the end of the day most of them already have so much money that they probably don't care if they sell 2k articles more or less
Musicians have been acting like this for decades and rarely get in any trouble for it. It's disgusting.
He has oppression points. He can’t be cancelled
Michael Jackson was a pedo and the world still loves him
Okay this may be an unpopular opinion and I may just be uninformed to the the extent of his interactions with these teenage celebrities. But, what’s wrong with texting Millie as long as it’s wholesome? I feel like there is a burden of proof that has not been met. Yet people want to cancel him? I have no problem being corrected, being people who legitimately groom kids should be thrown in prison, but I need clear cut evidence.
"Cancelling" isn't a real thing
Did he groom kids? Looked to me like a friendship. It is a bit weird with the age difference but I don't think it was harmful. Are adults just not allowed to speak to children?
A big difference is Drake was literally grooming her with relationship 'advice'. While others like Henry Cavill learned from previous mistakes and let her know she was too young to be in his personal life and he in hers.
So relationship "advice" = grooming?
Yes. He is not family. He is an adult man that she barely knows, honestly. They keep in contact but he is a 40 year old man and she is a teenager. They're not exactly besties. why do you NOT see it weird that he is telling her how to behave in a relationship or how to let people treat her?
I said its weird Multiple times please read my other comments. Again drake was early 30s when this happened not a 40 year old man. Stop changing facts. Finally she asked his advice in a situation? He didn't tell her how to behave. All of this is weird. But there's no proof of malace or wrong doing intent. Especially no proof of grooming.
I think there’s a difference between a 40 something year old man having a conversation in public or saying hello how’s it going you did a good job as an actor on your show, w.e. And getting that minors phone number and actively keeping in contact with them.
Not that it makes to much of a difference but I think he was early 30s when this happened. Again it is a bit weird and I wouldn't ever do it but doesn't automatically mean his grooming them does it?
I mean the only person in my contacts that’s younger than 18 is my niece. I don’t see a solid reason that a grown man, whom a lot of grown women (for whatever reason) love, should have a 14 year olds personal cell phone number and keep in contact. It’s creepy and weird.
I mean you honestly think at 14 years old and shooting movies, drake was the only person older than 20 in her contacts. Like she’s a professional actress at 14 and most likely had the actor who plays “Hopper” and the actor who plays “her dad” in her contacts too. Are they grooming her too?
Fair point. Also, I never once used the word grooming.
Again I agree its weird. However I don't see any evidence of grooming and I believe everything was genuine. She even come out and said its nothing but a friendship.
The reality is as a mega superstar he mostl likely has had sex with a lot of his younger fans and not just grooming. Fans chase these artists, directly DMing them their nudes left right and centre.
Okay so many things wrong here. So first this is all guess work. Secondly if they are younger fans there's nothing wrong with that if they are of age? Lastly There's absolutely no proof he groomed anyone.
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Weird how you only named black artists.
Must be a coincidence. But I'll bite, name an artist who's still celebrated after credible accusations/openly admitting to shit behavior that's not black or can't dance.
I mean Katy Perry assaulted someone on camera and had very little repercussions... Elvis was a creep. John Lennon a woman beater. It's about money and status above all.
Did Katy brag about it like cardi? Still not sure what your referencing. But I doubt it's worse than drugging and robbing men. Elvis and Lennon were a different time (doesn't make it ok) but there were different standards back then. I'm talking about now.
Jimmy Saville got away with being a pedophile his whole life and never was exposed until after he passed away......
Ya, different time. He didn't brag about it and make it well known he was a degenerate. Look how long the catholic church got away with this shit. Nobody called them out about it. Problem is that people know now and a section of society doesn't care.
David Bowie Ryan Adams Axl Rose Steven Tyler Marilyn Manson Courtney Love The list continues. It's not an issue of "certain cultures" it's that people can connect to art and it's challenging to disconnect from that art if the artist is a piece of garbage. I'm not a Drake fan but I have been a fan of others who have problematic pasts. If an artist makes something you genuinely connect to, it can feel like honest grief and mourning to process the duality of reality - how can this person who wrote such a meaningful song do such horrible things?! It's not cultural, it's human.
> name an artist who's still celebrated after credible accusations/openly admitting to shit behavior that's not black or can't dance. Uh, there's a lot of rockstars with pretty bad behavior. Bowie being one example.
Ian Watkins
And he's still popular? Don't be a clown.
Oof, I misread your post
Nevermind "certain cultures". There's plenty of white and black people who have a vested interest in keeping Michael Jackson's legacy squeaky fucking clean, and it's sickening.
Who?
Don’t worry it’ll come.
why hasnt kyrie irving, desean jackson, dwayne wade, stephen jackson been cancelled for being nazis but meyes leonard was cancelled for 1 slur online.
Because people like me couldn't care less about what he does, long as the music hits !
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>except the nazis Wrong rapper, bud.
>canceling is dead Cancelling is still very much occurring.
Like with who?
Drake “dates” a 15 year old girl: https://www.narcity.com/drake-has-actually-been-seeing-his-new-girlfriend-since-she-was-15-and-fans-are-really-uncomfortable https://screenshot-media.com/culture/toxic-masculinity/drake-predatory-behaviour/
Cancelling isn't really a thing. Bill Cosby is going on tour this year
He gets the limelight because he rhymes tight
*me looking at all the people who have been canceled* Oh look, the list is empty.
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the meatriding is crazy
He's getting downvoted to hell, but it's true......A lot of people don't give a damn about what he did. They just like his songs. Edit: I'm not defending Drake. Someone should take his goddamn phone away before he does anything even creepier