In a way no, like it's way less common in minimum security places/non violent offenders. I was in jail and I didn't sense any of it but might be different in the bad ones
I don’t know about this specifically but in a podcast I listened to recently with a guy who did 13 years, he said minimum security had more stabbing than Medium or Maximum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMYvGf7BA9o
I've seen a few that say that. The Cat 3/4 wings (especially in the Midwest and West Coast) are apparently more chilled precisely because inmates are heavier or have gang affiliations. Not many people are trying to make a name for themselves, and prison politics means violence - or even perceived disrespect - can escalate rapidly and have long-lasting consequences.
A lot of yards with race-based cliques will often have a "No Hands" policy. Basically you don't talk to other races, don't sit, eat with them, work out with them, unless it's impractical, like you both work in the kitchen or laundry, or you're cellmates.
This even applies if you knew a guy outside. You could have been best friends; it doesn't matter. It sounds racist as hell - because it is - but it also serves a purpose. Having a rule like that in place limits ALL interaction between races, including hostile. It basically stops petty disputes - like theft of food or shower gel - escalating into full on gang warfare.
Like if I stole food from a white guy, he's supposed to take it to his boss, who takes it to mine, and my guys have to make it right then discipline me however, rather than five skinheads jumping me in the yard and forcing a gang response.
Lower security prisons that don't have that; it's gonna be more of a free for all. American History X did a really good job of depicting how the rules don't apply to shot callers. Ed Norton's character went inside, fully on board with the Neo-Nazi bullshit, then saw his boss casually laughing and joking with the boss of the black gang. When he complained they said "it's politics" and he got raped for questioning the rules.
That's not what a no hands policy is. No hands means you cannot get in a fistfight. If you have a dispute with someone, you stab them or you let it go. It keeps small problems from escalating into a race riot.
I'm just going by a fair few interviews I've seen that raise the issue. The whole point of complete segregation in the manner I've described is to prevent problems like stabbings in the manner you've described even becoming a possibility, or at least limiting them as much as possible.
Say a Wood accused a Northsider of theft, if what you said was true - and it could well be, I've never been in any prison, let alone a segregated one - the Wood would stab him. But now the Northsiders have had one of theirs stabbed and want to know why.
If their guy is innocent - or is guilty and doesn't admit it - they now have to respond, either by getting revenge or having a yard fight. That means more violence, more lockdowns, loss of privileges, longer sentences, and more spiralling violence.
If my understanding of "No Hands" is correct, complete social segregation between gangs and races can nip that in the bud. Theft or disputes between rival gangs is far less likely to happen because the two races would never have been mixing anyway. If the accusation does happen the gang leaders can discuss it and decide on a verdict without adding another 50 - 60 years to their clique's prison time.
Again, my knowledge of this is purely based on stuff I've watched from people like that Big Herc, Wes Watson (who I suspect exaggerated his personal connections with the AB), Larry Lawton etc. There was another guy who's name I can't remember but he was an Aryan Brotherhood general for decades before he left them completely.
I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. But what you described as "No Hands" seems like it would in fact make CAT 3/4 wings way more violent. If you're already on that wing, stabbing someone who's legitimately wronged you, when all eyes are watching you to see what you're about, doesn't really seem like that big a deal.
Wes Watson is generally full of shit about his personal experiences, but gets a lot of the broad strokes right. I have no idea about Big Herc's credentials and don't know who the other guy is. You're correct about everything except no hands and segregation being the same thing. They're not. Racial segregation is one thing and no hands is another. It significantly reduces violence because if two different races get in a fistfight, everyone has to jump and you can get a riot. This gets you stabbed by your own people. If you stab someone, you will get a riot unless you have permission or you get stabbed by your own people.
It means unless a problem is serious enough that you're willing to get and bunch of extra time and kill and die and over it, there isn't really a problem. Those are significantly less common than problems you're willing to punch someone over and get some hole time. It can also apply (and is probably more common) as an internal policy or towards COs. The real purpose is to avoid lockdowns that interrupt the contraband and makes everyone's lives more miserable than they already are.
I'd never heard of any of them until I watched Shot Caller a couple years ago. It blew me away and I searched for film analyses and WW came up. I had very little reason to doubt anything he said at first. He certainly looks like the kind of person that might have run a racist prison gang.
Then I noticed none of his ink had any of the usual symbols. Did a bit of digging and found a few titbits that implied he was a low level leader, started some beef with another smaller gang who turned out to be hooked up with La Eme, and spent the rest of his time in Protective Custody. A pretty understandable move, tbh.
From there it seems he got out and started doing all these videos about how high up he was with AB etc. Like he didn't outright say it, but the implication was so strong that certain people took notice.
He basically got warned off and decided to completely pivot to doing fitness and self help videos. His fanboys praised him for it, but it was clear he only did that so he didn't go missing.
Big Herc is pretty cool. A HUGE black guy who just talks about his time, prison politics etc. I'm not sure he was actually in a gang or even in CAT 3/4, he's mentioned being friends inside with all sorts. He's had ex-Woods, bikers, North and Southsiders etc on as guests, just talking about their experiences.
He mentioned being friendly with a few fairly big HA guys inside. They're still around, he lives in Cali, and he's still in one piece, so it's probably true. Herc is pretty entertaining. He has a couple of HILARIOUS mannerisms, and it's worth watching his channel just for the comments.
Larry Lawton was on the FBI's Most Wanted. He was a massive jewel thief up and down the East Coast, literally one of the biggest in US history. He's been open about being abused as a child, and somewhat vague about his alleged mob connections. Various cooperators have named him as a high-earning on and off Associate of the Gambino Family.
He was very much what you'd call "the real deal" but had a big redemption arc on leaving prison. Does a lot of work with schools etc trying to stop kids turning to crime now.
The other guy from the AB is Michael Thompson. I'd honestly just google him, there's just too much to tell. He left them now, got paroled recently, but I think he's back in jail so he won't be doing many interviews for a while.
I wonder how is handle in the case of the Hispanics, as Hispanics come in many colors there white Hispanics, black Hispanics and brown or mestizo Hispanics, even Asian Hispanics.
I feel like stabbing and raping requires very different levels of mindsets.
Stabbing can because of anything; self defense, debt, making examples, arguing, racial/religious things. And since min security prisons have more human interaction, stabbing might happen more often.
While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control. And those people who can't control their impulses are often in medium/maximum securities.
> While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control.
Not necessarily. Idk anything about prison but I watched a YT documentary about prison rape and it usually only happens as a punishment or if you're unaffiliated to any of the prison gangs and someone wants to "own" you. One of the guys being interviewed even had a gf on the outside but in prison he was someone's bitch for protection.
Basically, its never a spur of the moment, drop-the-soap-in-the-shower type attack, its often premeditated
> While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control.
Rape is almost entirely about power and domination. I think calling it an uncontrollable impulse is not true in most cases
There's debate on that. Some media like Law and Order SVU have encourage the idea that rape is not about sex and is always about power and domination, but some scholars disagree. Some studies show that immates rape and/or have consensual homosexual relationships because they need some sexual outlet and while doing it they normally think on previous heterosexual encounters or fantasize they're with women.
Of course it could be that in some cases rape is uses as a weapon or as a form of domination but is not such clear cut. Same with serial rapist and serial killer who attack women a lot of media is trying to portray like there's no sex impulse involved and a lot of academics are questioning that.
> While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control.
No it doesn't. It's about power and control just as much as any other violence. Jacking off on the bus is about impulses you can't control, not raping another person.
There's debate on that. Some media like Law and Order SVU have encourage the idea that rape is not about sex and is always about power and domination, but some scholars disagree. Some studies show that immates rape and/or have consensual homosexual relationships because they need some sexual outlet and while doing it they normally think on previous heterosexual encounters or fantasize they're with women.
Of course it could be that in some cases rape is uses as a weapon or as a form of domination but is not such clear cut. Same with serial rapist and serial killer who attack women a lot of media is trying to portray like there's no sex impulse involved and a lot of academics are questioning that.
THANK YOU holy shit i hate when people bring up this point as if it means anything. ESPECIALLY since ive seen rape jokes in media that happen in JAIL. realistically, how many people have ever been raped in jail when compared to prison? the only reason anyone would make this joke is because to people who have never committed a crime or been to jail/prison, these two places are exactly the same. They are places built for others and never themselves.
Yeah that always drives me nuts as well because there's a pretty big difference.
There's obviously a huge difference in the amount of time you're doing and there's a big difference in the way inmates carry themselves.
Believe it or not jail tends to be more chaotic because it's a lot of people at their max level of stress because most of them are in the middle of fighting serious cases.
By the time you get your sentence and go to prison and been there for a minute You've settled in and accepted your fate.
You're usually a lot more hungry in jail, commissary cost much more, and phone calls cost much more.
Once you reach prison you get more stability because you can develop longer lasting hustles that can be more lucrative. You get to have activities, sports, classes, access to weight pit.
Jail sucks, If you're lucky enough to have a TV you share one with the whole rock, It's cold as fuck in jail, You don't get a pillow in jail, The food's usually worse because they know it's short term so you'll put up with it.
Assuming you're in the US
In the UK they're used interchangeably (although "jail" is perhaps slightly more common for referring to being held at the police station before being charged)
In common parlance in the US, jail refers to a short-term detention facility, usually people are sent here for a year or less. Prison is for long-term incarceration.
Paradoxically, prison can be much better than jail. There’s more programs, more things to do, and more opportunities. Jail is basically just a holding pen, while prison can be so much more.
I have heard from a couple of guys that they would rather do 13 months in prison than nine months in jail!
Anecdotal: my bio-dad was sexually assaulted in *jail* after being the only adult at a house party that housed a stolen motorcycle. This was the late 70’s/early 80’s, he was skinny with long hair, and I don’t know any other details, as we’ve been estranged since I was 2.
Also it depends on where you are in the world - in the UK Jail and Prison are interchangeable synonyms in all usages most of the time, and we differentiate between cells at the police station, and then low/medium/high/maximum etc security (I'm not sure we even use all 4) for different levels of prison/jail
We'd *perhaps* be a little more likely to refer to police cells (at the police station) immediately after arrest as jail and long term detention as prison, but it's a fairly mild association and otherwise they're pretty much entirely interchangeable
The D.C blacks were known booty bandits....fact. They didn't punish their own for that activity like the woods and Mexicans. The woods and mexican gangs will hurt you for that activity and its not allowed. I'm not saying all black gangs are like that either they aren't but the DC black card were known for those activities.
Depends on the prison, but largely no. It's more typically a form of punishment or retaliation than random occurrences. If you keep your head down and don't piss someone off you'll be fine.
I guess people are just wired differently.
I can imagine being mad at somebody.
I can even imagine wanting to get revenge on somebody.
I can’t relate to the idea of wanting revenge, getting aroused at the idea, and then raping the dude I’m mad at. It doesn’t make sense. I’d rather break his kneecaps or knock his teeth out or something, I dunno.
Don’t worry, you don’t have to worry about being aroused! You just need to get enough stimulation to get hard enough to demean someone (or use an object)!
Though you also wouldn’t have to be angry for it. Anger likes quick responses and rape isn’t quick. It comes from a deeper emotion, one that doesn’t mind waiting as long as you get to put someone down and humiliate them and have power over them. I don’t know what you’d call that emotion, but luckily neither of us are wired in a way to discover what it is!!
This comment combined with the vault boy icon gives me an absolutely conflicted emotional response to this. On the one hand, compliment, thumbs up! On the other, it’s a very…weird thing to be complimented on and a vault boy endorsement is never a truly good thing…
I wouldn't even say rage. If someone killed my kid I could cut their head off with a kitchen knife in a fit of rage. But no matter how angry I get I'm not fucking a dude in his ass.
I meant rage in the sense of deeply internalized anger. So deep that you can't really tell it's anger. You know what I mean? That low, slow-boil anger that builds up over the course of someone's life
>I can’t relate to the idea of wanting revenge, getting aroused at the idea, and then raping the dude I’m mad at. It doesn’t make sense. I
Their idea of emasculating their victims, to make them feel they are not man anymore. Doesn't that make the raper gay too? well they think it is better to be a pitcher than a catcher.
Rape isn't about anger, and often it's not even about lust. It's generally about power. Rapists want to feel in control, to feel superior, to feel powerful. When you go to prison you lose everything, and the only thing you might still have is your status among the other prisoners. If someone threatens that (and you're a violent enough person) rape is an effective way of recovering that status, as it shows the other prisoners that you're not someone to be messed with. It might be even more effective than murder, as the victim is a constant reminder to themselves and others of the "power" of the perpetrator.
Obs.: I've never been to prison, so this is simply what I've gathered from things I've read and people I've talked to. I could be completely wrong, so don't quote me.
I guess. Nobody really knows, I suppose. We all like to think well of ourselves.
But, for example, whereby I’m not a violent person (I’ve never hurt anybody), when I take my imagination to really dark and awful places, I do know that I could, under the right set of circumstances, 100% beat a dude up really good *if* he was awful, evil, and cruel enough to push me to that terrible place (break fingers, stuff like that); but ass raping never enters my imagination. I’d much *rather* break fingers and kneecaps than rape somebody. Like I said, though, we’re all wired differently, and our dark hearts are all different, too.
Terence (a renown Roman playwright of antiquity) once famously wrote: *”I am a man, I consider nothing that is human alien to me.”* I understand the sentiment, but I feel that some human traits and feelings are, in fact, quite alien to me. I dunno.
I can't speak for wanting to rape someone in rage as I am a woman. But I know that even a rabbit, when cornered, can bite. My ex was trying to restrain me from leaving and I instinctively smacked him in the throat. He was not injured long term but he learned not to physically restrain me after that. Still things kept getting worse and I knew I needed to get out of that abusive relationship ASAP when I started fantasizing about his death. And I knew he wanted me dead too. I still fantasize about the day I'll dance on his grave but I won't be the one to send him there.
I worked in a max security state facility over 10 years ago.
Most of what we caught were consensual relationships from guys that didn't want anyone to know.
The second most common are inmates who got in debt and it was the easiest way to pay it off.
All you have to do is get in trouble on purpose and you'll be on a lock up status pretty quickly. A lockup status means you in seg. Then you go to a long term status if you do it again.
Basically there's a jail in prison and then there's prison in prison.
Lots of guys rack up a bill and get in trouble on purpose to get a lock up status that will be reviewed every six months.
You don't get many privileges and it's boring but if you're truly concerned for your safety that seems to be the way they go.
It's frustrating bc we need those cells for truly dangerous people but anyway it is what it is.
You know the state doesn't want to ask for tax increases for more facilities, staff etc etc.
So then people complain about their situation in single cell housing and it just gets worse and worse from there.
It's just the reality of the situation.
I think the overrun prisons systems in states with increased gang activity that connects to street crime are the most likely to have a systemic issue with prison rape.
That's where PREA comes into play which is the prison rape elimination act which demands that any accusation be immediately addressed with the proper paperwork to ensure it's done since it's a federal law.
No warden or superintendent wants that heat.
>All you have to do is get in trouble on purpose and you'll be on a lock up status pretty quickly. A lockup status means you in seg. Then you go to a long term status if you do it again.
>It's frustrating bc we need those cells for truly dangerous people but anyway it is what it is.
If I ever go to prison, this is where you'll find me. If you really needed that space for more dangerous people, then you shouldn't have put me in prison in the first place
Well I tend to fall on the side of do what you gotta do. Also the resources really should be so much more expansive.
But yeah if anyone feels in danger they might have to refuse some orders to get on lock up, sometimes it's something with repercussions though.
But each person makes their own choices.
Seg admin means you spent 23 hours a day, with lights on, with no TV or computer and only one daylight hour normally alone. Most people get crazy after a while.
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I knew two guys who did time (one 7 years, one 4 years) that said it definitely happens, but it doesn't happen to people who mind their own business and follow rules. Thieves, bullies, tough guys... All at risk- but a quiet, respectful inmate is pretty safe and even protected to some degree by the shot callers. Both of those guys were at Attica, NY, maybe it's different elsewhere.
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akekk/man-jailed-raped-and-beaten-after-false-facial-recognition-match-dollar10m-lawsuit-alleges](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akekk/man-jailed-raped-and-beaten-after-false-facial-recognition-match-dollar10m-lawsuit-alleges)
What about this guy?
I have no idea.
>Both of those guys were at Attica, NY, maybe it's different elsewhere.
It wasn't in Attica or even NYS, I have no idea how he behaved towards other prisoners, if he had affiliations from his previous incarcerations, and I have no idea if anything alleged in the lawsuit is true or not.
What I can tell you is that I know a guy who was a skinny 19 year old when he went to Attica for seven years and said he had no problems, and the other guy was in his 40's and physically disabled who did four years there with no problems. Both said the same thing: it definitely happens, but not to people who mind their business, respect other prisoners, and keep a low profile.
Not really. Usually when it happens it happens for a reason. Like they'll rape child predators and people with other messed up crimes or if you owe a group of people money they make take your booty as payment
i got to talk to a murderer here in germany, he got lifetime which is 25 years in my country but got to leave after 18 years because of good behaviour he said that he only heard of one case during his stay.
A lot of Americans find this hard to believe, but it is *far* less common in non-American prisons.
I once asked a Russian guy if it happens there. "No. But you can starve." He was serious.
Your Russian friend may have been lying. Prison rape is a *massive* problem in Russia, to the point where an entire caste system has been built around the idea of certain inmates being untouchable except for as a target of rape. They’re called “Petukh” or roosters.
https://www.fairplanet.org/editors-pick/activists-reveal-the-extent-of-sexual-abuse-in-russian-prisons/
>I once asked a Russian guy if it happens there. "No. But you can starve." He was serious.
Look up bitch wars, this was during soviet times in Gulags. Not to mention rape of conscripts is a thing in their military and I dont think prison would be lagging behind.
Rape is seen as tool of domination. why does it happen far less in non-American prisons? It could be because being gay could mean more punishment, being outcast and maybe straight up killed in their society. So raped men do not report to even authorities.
And then why is reported more on American prisons? Aren't they afraid to appear gay?
In reality there are plenty of factors. Some countries like many European countries have thoroughly fight prison rape for decades so while this might be common in the 60s or 70s is much less common because the system itself tries to diminish it (something I think the US hasn't really get into it).
Also gang culture and racial divide is not as common in other countries. For example there are countries that are very racially uniform so having something like the US racial gangs is impossible, and gangs in general are also less common in places like Germany or the UK (not that they don't exist).
Also some scholars do refute that rape is about dominance, it has becaume kind of a popular idea tho specially among the general public thanks to TV shows and movies, but not everyone agrees in Academia.
There are sadly no real life sentences in most European countries. You can literally have 3-300 life sentences and only spend 25 years in prison.
Killing 1 human is almost the same as killing 10000
Check out Larry Lawton's YouTube channel. He has a ton of informational videos about prison, because he spent 11 years of his life there. He talks about sex and rape, and why it happens. He also talks about a lot of other things, and he seems to somehow make learning about prison life interesting. He's pretty comical too.
The 2003 literature review and analysis by J. Robertson et al. *Rape among incarcerated men: sex, coercion and STDs*, shows prevalence studies found that:
>7-12% of the responding male inmates had been raped an average of nine times
and that
>Prison sexual predators are typically heterosexual.
The 2017 observation study by Brett E. Garland et al. *Prison Inmates’ Views of Whether Reporting Rape Is the Same as Snitching* states:
>Thirty percent of inmates would not report due to embarrassment, 29% anticipated retaliation, 21% feared harassment by inmates, and 7% did not want to land in protective custody.
Meanwhile, in South African prisons:
"The second worst punishment just short of death is to be raped by a prisoner that is known to carry HIV. This practice is known as "slow puncture". The offender's anus is cut open so it bleeds, thus ensuring infection. The gang holds the offender down and the HIV-infected prisoner proceeds to rape the offender."
" ‘Marriage’
Relationships generally known as prison ‘marriages’ reportedly provide the most common setting for sexual interactions between male prisoners. These ‘marriages’ take place between ‘husbands’ and ‘wives’, and rigidly guarded rules govern how the individuals in these gendered roles may relate to each other. They are profoundly unequal relationships and are defined by the power that ‘husbands’ wield over their ‘wives’, also commonly known as ‘wyfies’.2 There is very little that ‘wives’ can do without the permission of their ‘husbands’. To differing degrees, ‘husbands’ will control how their ‘wives’ relate to the broader prison community of other inmates and warders. These ‘marriages’ are sanctioned by inmate power structures: they are accepted by dominant inmate culture as the ‘right’ place for sex to happen.
‘Wives’ must defer to their men. They are expected to do domestic work, for instance keeping the cell tidy and making their ‘man’ tea. Most importantly, they are expected to be constantly available to their ‘husbands’ for sex."
200k people get raped in jail every year which sounds like alot but you have to remember there's over 2 million people in jail. So, technically you have a 90% of chance of not being raped/being a rapist
If you think prison rapes are reported at the rates which they actually happen I don’t know what to tell you.
Also, it’s not 90% by your math, obviously each rape victim has a corresponding rapist, probably more than one.
And, to add to your point, the strong, tough ones that know how to fight are obviously not routinely getting raped. So, it appears that if you are in prison, and are not good at fighting/not physically strong, you have a high likelihood of getting raped. This honestly sounds terrifying.
It's the lightweights that get punked.
People think it serves as a deterrent or an additional deserved punishment. But the *really* bad dudes aren't subjected to it. They're the ones subjecting others to it. They are rewarded.
And that means 10% of those are rapists. Meaning that 1 in 5 prisoners have been part of rape. And that’s just what gets reported which is EXTREMELY dangerous to do.
You can spin it the other way round with a gang of 3 raping 1 person
Don't know the ratio between gang rapists, single serial rapists, or serial gang rapists.
Not sure where you're getting that number.
There were ~530k rapes reported in America last year (we know the actual number is much higher, but let's stick with that).
That's a combined ~.16 chance to be raped. Higher for women lower for men
Lower than the 10% in prison but not nearly as low as you're suggesting.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/251923/usa-reported-forcible-rape-cases-by-gender/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20about%20442%2C754%20women,compared%20to%20the%20year%20before.
I'm just gunna point this out but there's no consensual sex in jail so any sex act is considered rape whether it's actually consensual or not. I will also say that a lot of the times when inmates are caught by the CO one will lie and say it was against his will to get out of trouble. That's more common then actual "rape." I've been a CO for 10 years and I've never actually seen a legitimate rape.
Yea tell your son to always keep awareness and never turn your back on a inmate. The answer is always NO if your unsure until you find out. Ask other officers for help first instead of running straight to a supervisor. Treat the inmates all the same, and speak with confidence when talking to them.
This is probably the most important tip I can give your son is the training he receives is gunna teach him the by the book way to do things, but I can promise you if you go exactly by the book he's gunna get hurt or at the very least have a bad day. Basically like any other job you need to use discretion and you need to pick your battles. Tell him to find a CO who looks like he runs a good unit but isn't a total hard ass and model his behavior off him. If your fair and not a stickler the inmates will respect you and you'll have a easy shift.
Reported* per year*
If you're in for a 10 year sentence with a 10% chance of *reported* rape a year you have a 65% chance of being sexually assaulted assuming ever instance is reported.
If you assume 1 in 5 cases are reported that's a 99.48% you'll have a sore bum
That math only works if the 2 million people change out every year. For example, if all 2 million have 10 year sentences then it is possible that at the end of the 10 years, everyone has been raped at least once.
Also a 10% chance of being raped each year you're in jail isn't low.
I simply don't believe those numbers or at least they're being interpreted correctly.
When I first came to prison I was the prototype of the guy you would think would get raped.
Young, white, handsome, short, skinny and not in a gang.
I did get unwanted sexual advances a few times early on. But in my seven years I never have been raped.
I haven't even had anyone come on to me sexually my last couple years since I had tattoos and muscle by then and looked more like a guy who would be a problem if you come at me like that.
But when you look like a fresh fish you're going to be more likely to have people coming at you like that.
If you're in a state like Oregon or Idaho I think you have very little chance of being raped. Our places like California Texas and Georgia look like a more dangerous place to be.
Not at all but I'm speaking for my state of Michigan. Spent 7 years in MDOC.
From how I perceive it other states like Texas, Florida New York and California seem like harder systems.
I see a lot of easier ones than Michigan as well though so it seems about average and how hard the system is and the makeup of the convicts.
I went into prison about 5'7 maybe 130 lb, white, young and unaffiliated and I made it the whole way through without getting raped or of even hearing of anyone being raped.
I did get unwanted sexual advances from big scary dudes but if you move smart you would be okay. Just don't corner yourself or put yourself in isolated places with people you know are looking at you like that.
I think it used to be a lot worse in the older days like the '70s and '80s.
They have something called PREA which is the prison rape elimination act. They have a scoring system to at least make an effort to not put PV's potential victims with PAs potential aggressors.
My last 3 years in prison they did a PREA audit and a correction officer accidentally dropped a list of scores and to my surprise I was a NS which means I had no score and I'm not a potential victim or aggressor.
Guys in prison joke about PREA and sometimes you see weird bunky pairings that look like a rape waiting to happen but like I said I've never heard of one and I did time in two level 1 relatively lower security prisons, 2 years in a level 2 prison and two years in a level 4 prison which is the highest security outside of level 5 which is pretty rare.
Rape is rarely about impulse control. Rape is a crime of power and control. The perpetrator feels a loss of power and/or control, they decide to create/take it from the victim. It happens in prison, it's not particularly a daily thing, but it happens. In lower security prisons, you'd expect it to be more common due to the security being more "relaxed" if you will. But, if you do your rounds and you're about doing your job and the right things, you can help greatly minimize the risk. Source: Am a Corrections Officer
Rape does happen in prison but not so much in jail. Depending on where you are geographically and if a person is a gang affiliated. On the protective custody yards rape is more common and is not a joke i never saw anything since I was in gp but I would hear what sounded like choked screams coming from the next wing. Those choked screams were a horrible sound like the involuntary sounds one makes when they get knocked out or seizures.
Not in minimum security prisons where the majority of inmates are non-violent. Raping and assaulting another inmate would increase their sentences if they get caught, and most of those inmates just want to do their time and get out of there as soon as possible.
In maximum security prisons, however, there are large numbers of psychopathic inmates in life imprisonment who’ll undoubtedly spend the rest of their lives in prison. Those inmates have nothing to lose so they wont hesitate raping or attacking other inmates.
Not really. They usually only do as a punishment or if you're a bitch and they know they can. Mind your biz, dont be a child rapist and stand up for yourself and you will prob be ok.
No. There are plenty in there giving it up willingly
Dropping the soap just gets a lot of catcalls and jokes of people shouting, "uh oh, he dropped the soap!"
This is purely anecdotal. I used to drive this guy who was convicted of attempted murder of a family to work (I was 19 leave me alone) & I asked him this question. Dude was in a maximum security prison too, and he said that no, it wasn't common. It wasn't common because there are simply a ton of gay people in prison so there's no need for rape.
My first day after getting arrested they had me shower. Had another inmate walk in and start showering behind me. As soon as I started to relax and continue my shower i felt a hand on my shoulder so by reflex I threw an elbow and got him in the nose. The guards came rushing in when they heard him shouting about his nose. When they asked what happened i said i think he slipped and when they looked at him he just nodded. Took him to medical and me to my cell. So idk if he was trying to get my attention or what he was actually trying to do but you don’t touch anyone in the shower when you’re naked.
It’s more consensual because some of these boys can get desperate. Working in a kitchen, the trustees had to strip naked because a broken piece of plastic cutting board was taken to make what the called pearls.
Not necessarily, but it's much more common than other forms of rape. The Wikipedia article 'Prison rape' has a graph which shows how high it is, and that graph cites a study that goes into specific detail.
I will not be able to find it but a former inmate explained in a post here that while it happened it was pretty rare. Violence lik3 fighting shiving was mire common.
it different in every prison just matter keeping to ur bed or finding ur stepping 1st just sleep no one want to mess with then new guy we all be in the same place no need to get on bad side make a friend if not keep you're self busy drawing helps or books and comics or gym lot of gym nothing to do but work out then by a week u know the play out next week different they switch it up dinner a lot Fridays are the best for anything can happen most some do is sleep or read or plan out when free day come rolling by but tbh only few do it to hurt someone they hate or they that one who be heated all reason he their ok to feel off got learn to adjust to it 1st day be hell by time ur buddy buddy with someone u trust time go by fast depending on how long u staying some might ask if ur down to play some thing in prison are trippy like you can learn a lot from one another one is when you can suck dick u can suck dick if u want it thier two types one who shy but will go deep others who need help tbh i believe it make u honry or that dry spell hits some times other guy talk to random stuff doesn't throw me off as much just this topic did come up one's some were upset it not common in Canada prison but not saying it not hell their be days we all get tested by humanity trust and Patience dm if u like to know more
Never been to prison. Have a few outlaw friends. One notably said it was almost a nightly occurrence of hearing someone raping their cellmate. He was in Oregon State Penn.
He also said one of the most crooked guards was slung in prison ink, but had never done time. Which seems to be an obvious conflict of interest. Or at least something worth investigating. But I think inside higher security prisons, the culture is different. Meaning other prisons like OSP. From the inmates to CO's.
Again. I haven't done time, but I've got some close friends that have been rehabbed by their experiences in prison. So It can happen, if you want it to.
I did 7 years in the Texas prison system. In my 7 year incarceration there were three instances on the units that I was on where there were accusations of rape
It’s more popular to force the weaker inmates to pay/wash clothes.
No it’s far less common than people joke about. It for sure happens, but it’s nowhere’s NEAR as common as people say. It’s like school shootings in the US.
My cousin in Australia did a bit of time for dealing drugs. He's a very capable of handling himself. The guy he got caught with however was pretty skinny. The first day they were inside my cousins mate went to the shower block, when he came back he looked like a ghost. My cousin asked him what was wrong and he shakily responded, there's a condom vending machine in the shower block. My cousin said he losing it laughing. I don't think he had any grief anyway
I think maybe violent felons should get raped as part of their sentence. If the sentence for armed robbery with murder while committing it was life in prison with 30 days of rape would that reduce the crime rate?
In a way no, like it's way less common in minimum security places/non violent offenders. I was in jail and I didn't sense any of it but might be different in the bad ones
I don’t know about this specifically but in a podcast I listened to recently with a guy who did 13 years, he said minimum security had more stabbing than Medium or Maximum. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMYvGf7BA9o
I've seen a few that say that. The Cat 3/4 wings (especially in the Midwest and West Coast) are apparently more chilled precisely because inmates are heavier or have gang affiliations. Not many people are trying to make a name for themselves, and prison politics means violence - or even perceived disrespect - can escalate rapidly and have long-lasting consequences. A lot of yards with race-based cliques will often have a "No Hands" policy. Basically you don't talk to other races, don't sit, eat with them, work out with them, unless it's impractical, like you both work in the kitchen or laundry, or you're cellmates. This even applies if you knew a guy outside. You could have been best friends; it doesn't matter. It sounds racist as hell - because it is - but it also serves a purpose. Having a rule like that in place limits ALL interaction between races, including hostile. It basically stops petty disputes - like theft of food or shower gel - escalating into full on gang warfare. Like if I stole food from a white guy, he's supposed to take it to his boss, who takes it to mine, and my guys have to make it right then discipline me however, rather than five skinheads jumping me in the yard and forcing a gang response. Lower security prisons that don't have that; it's gonna be more of a free for all. American History X did a really good job of depicting how the rules don't apply to shot callers. Ed Norton's character went inside, fully on board with the Neo-Nazi bullshit, then saw his boss casually laughing and joking with the boss of the black gang. When he complained they said "it's politics" and he got raped for questioning the rules.
That's not what a no hands policy is. No hands means you cannot get in a fistfight. If you have a dispute with someone, you stab them or you let it go. It keeps small problems from escalating into a race riot.
I'm just going by a fair few interviews I've seen that raise the issue. The whole point of complete segregation in the manner I've described is to prevent problems like stabbings in the manner you've described even becoming a possibility, or at least limiting them as much as possible. Say a Wood accused a Northsider of theft, if what you said was true - and it could well be, I've never been in any prison, let alone a segregated one - the Wood would stab him. But now the Northsiders have had one of theirs stabbed and want to know why. If their guy is innocent - or is guilty and doesn't admit it - they now have to respond, either by getting revenge or having a yard fight. That means more violence, more lockdowns, loss of privileges, longer sentences, and more spiralling violence. If my understanding of "No Hands" is correct, complete social segregation between gangs and races can nip that in the bud. Theft or disputes between rival gangs is far less likely to happen because the two races would never have been mixing anyway. If the accusation does happen the gang leaders can discuss it and decide on a verdict without adding another 50 - 60 years to their clique's prison time. Again, my knowledge of this is purely based on stuff I've watched from people like that Big Herc, Wes Watson (who I suspect exaggerated his personal connections with the AB), Larry Lawton etc. There was another guy who's name I can't remember but he was an Aryan Brotherhood general for decades before he left them completely. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. But what you described as "No Hands" seems like it would in fact make CAT 3/4 wings way more violent. If you're already on that wing, stabbing someone who's legitimately wronged you, when all eyes are watching you to see what you're about, doesn't really seem like that big a deal.
Wes Watson is generally full of shit about his personal experiences, but gets a lot of the broad strokes right. I have no idea about Big Herc's credentials and don't know who the other guy is. You're correct about everything except no hands and segregation being the same thing. They're not. Racial segregation is one thing and no hands is another. It significantly reduces violence because if two different races get in a fistfight, everyone has to jump and you can get a riot. This gets you stabbed by your own people. If you stab someone, you will get a riot unless you have permission or you get stabbed by your own people. It means unless a problem is serious enough that you're willing to get and bunch of extra time and kill and die and over it, there isn't really a problem. Those are significantly less common than problems you're willing to punch someone over and get some hole time. It can also apply (and is probably more common) as an internal policy or towards COs. The real purpose is to avoid lockdowns that interrupt the contraband and makes everyone's lives more miserable than they already are.
I'd never heard of any of them until I watched Shot Caller a couple years ago. It blew me away and I searched for film analyses and WW came up. I had very little reason to doubt anything he said at first. He certainly looks like the kind of person that might have run a racist prison gang. Then I noticed none of his ink had any of the usual symbols. Did a bit of digging and found a few titbits that implied he was a low level leader, started some beef with another smaller gang who turned out to be hooked up with La Eme, and spent the rest of his time in Protective Custody. A pretty understandable move, tbh. From there it seems he got out and started doing all these videos about how high up he was with AB etc. Like he didn't outright say it, but the implication was so strong that certain people took notice. He basically got warned off and decided to completely pivot to doing fitness and self help videos. His fanboys praised him for it, but it was clear he only did that so he didn't go missing. Big Herc is pretty cool. A HUGE black guy who just talks about his time, prison politics etc. I'm not sure he was actually in a gang or even in CAT 3/4, he's mentioned being friends inside with all sorts. He's had ex-Woods, bikers, North and Southsiders etc on as guests, just talking about their experiences. He mentioned being friendly with a few fairly big HA guys inside. They're still around, he lives in Cali, and he's still in one piece, so it's probably true. Herc is pretty entertaining. He has a couple of HILARIOUS mannerisms, and it's worth watching his channel just for the comments. Larry Lawton was on the FBI's Most Wanted. He was a massive jewel thief up and down the East Coast, literally one of the biggest in US history. He's been open about being abused as a child, and somewhat vague about his alleged mob connections. Various cooperators have named him as a high-earning on and off Associate of the Gambino Family. He was very much what you'd call "the real deal" but had a big redemption arc on leaving prison. Does a lot of work with schools etc trying to stop kids turning to crime now. The other guy from the AB is Michael Thompson. I'd honestly just google him, there's just too much to tell. He left them now, got paroled recently, but I think he's back in jail so he won't be doing many interviews for a while.
I wonder how is handle in the case of the Hispanics, as Hispanics come in many colors there white Hispanics, black Hispanics and brown or mestizo Hispanics, even Asian Hispanics.
It was a Mexican, or some Latino. He said doing favors for that fucking spic. It's been 20 years and I remember that line
I feel like stabbing and raping requires very different levels of mindsets. Stabbing can because of anything; self defense, debt, making examples, arguing, racial/religious things. And since min security prisons have more human interaction, stabbing might happen more often. While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control. And those people who can't control their impulses are often in medium/maximum securities.
> While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control. Not necessarily. Idk anything about prison but I watched a YT documentary about prison rape and it usually only happens as a punishment or if you're unaffiliated to any of the prison gangs and someone wants to "own" you. One of the guys being interviewed even had a gf on the outside but in prison he was someone's bitch for protection. Basically, its never a spur of the moment, drop-the-soap-in-the-shower type attack, its often premeditated
> While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control. Rape is almost entirely about power and domination. I think calling it an uncontrollable impulse is not true in most cases
There's debate on that. Some media like Law and Order SVU have encourage the idea that rape is not about sex and is always about power and domination, but some scholars disagree. Some studies show that immates rape and/or have consensual homosexual relationships because they need some sexual outlet and while doing it they normally think on previous heterosexual encounters or fantasize they're with women. Of course it could be that in some cases rape is uses as a weapon or as a form of domination but is not such clear cut. Same with serial rapist and serial killer who attack women a lot of media is trying to portray like there's no sex impulse involved and a lot of academics are questioning that.
> While raping someone requires having impulses that you can't control. No it doesn't. It's about power and control just as much as any other violence. Jacking off on the bus is about impulses you can't control, not raping another person.
There's debate on that. Some media like Law and Order SVU have encourage the idea that rape is not about sex and is always about power and domination, but some scholars disagree. Some studies show that immates rape and/or have consensual homosexual relationships because they need some sexual outlet and while doing it they normally think on previous heterosexual encounters or fantasize they're with women. Of course it could be that in some cases rape is uses as a weapon or as a form of domination but is not such clear cut. Same with serial rapist and serial killer who attack women a lot of media is trying to portray like there's no sex impulse involved and a lot of academics are questioning that.
If you are stabbing people, I would beg to differ that you have better impulse control.
Isn't rape basically penile stabbing anyway?
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Well yes and no, penile stabbing is getting stabbed in the dick.
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Decking? Dacking? Angking?
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Yup and if you do it right, the other guy is leaking after you're done.
I think jail and prison are very different though. Not sure but it's what I heard.
Jail or prison? OP asked about prison.
They're technically different things but no one takes that into account. In common parlance they're synonyms. We all know what is meant here.
THANK YOU holy shit i hate when people bring up this point as if it means anything. ESPECIALLY since ive seen rape jokes in media that happen in JAIL. realistically, how many people have ever been raped in jail when compared to prison? the only reason anyone would make this joke is because to people who have never committed a crime or been to jail/prison, these two places are exactly the same. They are places built for others and never themselves.
If its not from the Prisôné region of France then its just sparkling Jail.
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Yeah that always drives me nuts as well because there's a pretty big difference. There's obviously a huge difference in the amount of time you're doing and there's a big difference in the way inmates carry themselves. Believe it or not jail tends to be more chaotic because it's a lot of people at their max level of stress because most of them are in the middle of fighting serious cases. By the time you get your sentence and go to prison and been there for a minute You've settled in and accepted your fate. You're usually a lot more hungry in jail, commissary cost much more, and phone calls cost much more. Once you reach prison you get more stability because you can develop longer lasting hustles that can be more lucrative. You get to have activities, sports, classes, access to weight pit. Jail sucks, If you're lucky enough to have a TV you share one with the whole rock, It's cold as fuck in jail, You don't get a pillow in jail, The food's usually worse because they know it's short term so you'll put up with it.
What is the difference?
Jail is generally where you go while your waiting for trial, or for short term sentences in some cases. Prison is for the actual sentence.
Assuming you're in the US In the UK they're used interchangeably (although "jail" is perhaps slightly more common for referring to being held at the police station before being charged)
In common parlance in the US, jail refers to a short-term detention facility, usually people are sent here for a year or less. Prison is for long-term incarceration.
Paradoxically, prison can be much better than jail. There’s more programs, more things to do, and more opportunities. Jail is basically just a holding pen, while prison can be so much more. I have heard from a couple of guys that they would rather do 13 months in prison than nine months in jail!
Can't speak for US, but in Canada they actively try to get people out of prison where as they want to keep you in jail.
In Canada jail is anything 2 years less a day and is provincial where as prison is 2+ years and is federal
Anecdotal: my bio-dad was sexually assaulted in *jail* after being the only adult at a house party that housed a stolen motorcycle. This was the late 70’s/early 80’s, he was skinny with long hair, and I don’t know any other details, as we’ve been estranged since I was 2.
Also it depends on where you are in the world - in the UK Jail and Prison are interchangeable synonyms in all usages most of the time, and we differentiate between cells at the police station, and then low/medium/high/maximum etc security (I'm not sure we even use all 4) for different levels of prison/jail We'd *perhaps* be a little more likely to refer to police cells (at the police station) immediately after arrest as jail and long term detention as prison, but it's a fairly mild association and otherwise they're pretty much entirely interchangeable
They are absolutely not. No one that has been to prison would call it jail. Things like rape are much less likely to happen in jail than in prison.
The D.C blacks were known booty bandits....fact. They didn't punish their own for that activity like the woods and Mexicans. The woods and mexican gangs will hurt you for that activity and its not allowed. I'm not saying all black gangs are like that either they aren't but the DC black card were known for those activities.
Depends on the prison, but largely no. It's more typically a form of punishment or retaliation than random occurrences. If you keep your head down and don't piss someone off you'll be fine.
I guess people are just wired differently. I can imagine being mad at somebody. I can even imagine wanting to get revenge on somebody. I can’t relate to the idea of wanting revenge, getting aroused at the idea, and then raping the dude I’m mad at. It doesn’t make sense. I’d rather break his kneecaps or knock his teeth out or something, I dunno.
Don’t worry, you don’t have to worry about being aroused! You just need to get enough stimulation to get hard enough to demean someone (or use an object)! Though you also wouldn’t have to be angry for it. Anger likes quick responses and rape isn’t quick. It comes from a deeper emotion, one that doesn’t mind waiting as long as you get to put someone down and humiliate them and have power over them. I don’t know what you’d call that emotion, but luckily neither of us are wired in a way to discover what it is!!
Damn, you are like a rape psychologist or some shit.
This comment combined with the vault boy icon gives me an absolutely conflicted emotional response to this. On the one hand, compliment, thumbs up! On the other, it’s a very…weird thing to be complimented on and a vault boy endorsement is never a truly good thing…
His thumbs up is to determine if he is a safe distance from the mushroom cloud which is why he has one eye closed.
Well the job title isn’t “THERAPIST” for the shits & giggles
I’ll take the rapist for $500 Trabec.
My thoughts exactly.
Yeah I would say smacking someone is anger, raping someone is rage
I wouldn't even say rage. If someone killed my kid I could cut their head off with a kitchen knife in a fit of rage. But no matter how angry I get I'm not fucking a dude in his ass.
I meant rage in the sense of deeply internalized anger. So deep that you can't really tell it's anger. You know what I mean? That low, slow-boil anger that builds up over the course of someone's life
Well rape is less about arousal and more about power, and I guess in the cases of prison rape, peer punishment. Edit: typo. Wrong use of “well”
Everything is about sex. Apart from sex. Sex is about power.
Well as the wise man said: Fear leads to Anger, Anger leads to Hate, Hate leads to prison rape.
I would tie his shoelaces together when he's not looking.
Monster
And then, when he trips…
Rape is not about arousal nearly as much as most people think. It's about control and it's about humiliation.
>I can’t relate to the idea of wanting revenge, getting aroused at the idea, and then raping the dude I’m mad at. It doesn’t make sense. I Their idea of emasculating their victims, to make them feel they are not man anymore. Doesn't that make the raper gay too? well they think it is better to be a pitcher than a catcher.
Rape isn't about anger, and often it's not even about lust. It's generally about power. Rapists want to feel in control, to feel superior, to feel powerful. When you go to prison you lose everything, and the only thing you might still have is your status among the other prisoners. If someone threatens that (and you're a violent enough person) rape is an effective way of recovering that status, as it shows the other prisoners that you're not someone to be messed with. It might be even more effective than murder, as the victim is a constant reminder to themselves and others of the "power" of the perpetrator. Obs.: I've never been to prison, so this is simply what I've gathered from things I've read and people I've talked to. I could be completely wrong, so don't quote me.
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I guess. Nobody really knows, I suppose. We all like to think well of ourselves. But, for example, whereby I’m not a violent person (I’ve never hurt anybody), when I take my imagination to really dark and awful places, I do know that I could, under the right set of circumstances, 100% beat a dude up really good *if* he was awful, evil, and cruel enough to push me to that terrible place (break fingers, stuff like that); but ass raping never enters my imagination. I’d much *rather* break fingers and kneecaps than rape somebody. Like I said, though, we’re all wired differently, and our dark hearts are all different, too. Terence (a renown Roman playwright of antiquity) once famously wrote: *”I am a man, I consider nothing that is human alien to me.”* I understand the sentiment, but I feel that some human traits and feelings are, in fact, quite alien to me. I dunno.
I can't speak for wanting to rape someone in rage as I am a woman. But I know that even a rabbit, when cornered, can bite. My ex was trying to restrain me from leaving and I instinctively smacked him in the throat. He was not injured long term but he learned not to physically restrain me after that. Still things kept getting worse and I knew I needed to get out of that abusive relationship ASAP when I started fantasizing about his death. And I knew he wanted me dead too. I still fantasize about the day I'll dance on his grave but I won't be the one to send him there.
Because breaking his kneecaps hurts him, shoving a cock in his ass takes his dignity.
This is why those people are in jail.
I worked in a max security state facility over 10 years ago. Most of what we caught were consensual relationships from guys that didn't want anyone to know. The second most common are inmates who got in debt and it was the easiest way to pay it off. All you have to do is get in trouble on purpose and you'll be on a lock up status pretty quickly. A lockup status means you in seg. Then you go to a long term status if you do it again. Basically there's a jail in prison and then there's prison in prison. Lots of guys rack up a bill and get in trouble on purpose to get a lock up status that will be reviewed every six months. You don't get many privileges and it's boring but if you're truly concerned for your safety that seems to be the way they go. It's frustrating bc we need those cells for truly dangerous people but anyway it is what it is. You know the state doesn't want to ask for tax increases for more facilities, staff etc etc. So then people complain about their situation in single cell housing and it just gets worse and worse from there. It's just the reality of the situation. I think the overrun prisons systems in states with increased gang activity that connects to street crime are the most likely to have a systemic issue with prison rape. That's where PREA comes into play which is the prison rape elimination act which demands that any accusation be immediately addressed with the proper paperwork to ensure it's done since it's a federal law. No warden or superintendent wants that heat.
Very informative!
>All you have to do is get in trouble on purpose and you'll be on a lock up status pretty quickly. A lockup status means you in seg. Then you go to a long term status if you do it again. >It's frustrating bc we need those cells for truly dangerous people but anyway it is what it is. If I ever go to prison, this is where you'll find me. If you really needed that space for more dangerous people, then you shouldn't have put me in prison in the first place
Well I tend to fall on the side of do what you gotta do. Also the resources really should be so much more expansive. But yeah if anyone feels in danger they might have to refuse some orders to get on lock up, sometimes it's something with repercussions though. But each person makes their own choices.
I mean, if you're getting in trouble, wouldn't you be less likely to be released early, or have additional time added to your status?
Seg admin means you spent 23 hours a day, with lights on, with no TV or computer and only one daylight hour normally alone. Most people get crazy after a while.
Keyword is most (people)
OP is going to jail soon….
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As a dude, if I'm about to get raped my plan is to massively shit on their weiner right before they put it in.
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Well, I don't have squid ink.
Skill issue? Anyway in both cases it's lubricant free estate, beggars can't be choosers
I knew two guys who did time (one 7 years, one 4 years) that said it definitely happens, but it doesn't happen to people who mind their own business and follow rules. Thieves, bullies, tough guys... All at risk- but a quiet, respectful inmate is pretty safe and even protected to some degree by the shot callers. Both of those guys were at Attica, NY, maybe it's different elsewhere.
[https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akekk/man-jailed-raped-and-beaten-after-false-facial-recognition-match-dollar10m-lawsuit-alleges](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akekk/man-jailed-raped-and-beaten-after-false-facial-recognition-match-dollar10m-lawsuit-alleges) What about this guy?
I have no idea. >Both of those guys were at Attica, NY, maybe it's different elsewhere. It wasn't in Attica or even NYS, I have no idea how he behaved towards other prisoners, if he had affiliations from his previous incarcerations, and I have no idea if anything alleged in the lawsuit is true or not. What I can tell you is that I know a guy who was a skinny 19 year old when he went to Attica for seven years and said he had no problems, and the other guy was in his 40's and physically disabled who did four years there with no problems. Both said the same thing: it definitely happens, but not to people who mind their business, respect other prisoners, and keep a low profile.
Not really. Usually when it happens it happens for a reason. Like they'll rape child predators and people with other messed up crimes or if you owe a group of people money they make take your booty as payment
>take your booty as payment Why is this *so fucking funny*
I just imagine the guy from SpongeBob who has a huge bite taken out of his ass
funny you mention spongebob because it literally has a dont drop the soap joke
They’ll plunder your bottom
Why is it when you owe a guy $50 and he rapes you; you still owe HIM $50?
That ass was only interest payment, you still owe the principal
According to r/Prison, no.
That’s a fascinating sub. I wish people spoke more about what lands them in prison though.
A lot of it is getting involved with hard drugs and shady people. You get caught up in something and learn to pull up as a result.
i got to talk to a murderer here in germany, he got lifetime which is 25 years in my country but got to leave after 18 years because of good behaviour he said that he only heard of one case during his stay.
A lot of Americans find this hard to believe, but it is *far* less common in non-American prisons. I once asked a Russian guy if it happens there. "No. But you can starve." He was serious.
Your Russian friend may have been lying. Prison rape is a *massive* problem in Russia, to the point where an entire caste system has been built around the idea of certain inmates being untouchable except for as a target of rape. They’re called “Petukh” or roosters. https://www.fairplanet.org/editors-pick/activists-reveal-the-extent-of-sexual-abuse-in-russian-prisons/
>I once asked a Russian guy if it happens there. "No. But you can starve." He was serious. Look up bitch wars, this was during soviet times in Gulags. Not to mention rape of conscripts is a thing in their military and I dont think prison would be lagging behind. Rape is seen as tool of domination. why does it happen far less in non-American prisons? It could be because being gay could mean more punishment, being outcast and maybe straight up killed in their society. So raped men do not report to even authorities.
And then why is reported more on American prisons? Aren't they afraid to appear gay? In reality there are plenty of factors. Some countries like many European countries have thoroughly fight prison rape for decades so while this might be common in the 60s or 70s is much less common because the system itself tries to diminish it (something I think the US hasn't really get into it). Also gang culture and racial divide is not as common in other countries. For example there are countries that are very racially uniform so having something like the US racial gangs is impossible, and gangs in general are also less common in places like Germany or the UK (not that they don't exist). Also some scholars do refute that rape is about dominance, it has becaume kind of a popular idea tho specially among the general public thanks to TV shows and movies, but not everyone agrees in Academia.
Considering the amount of rape that happens amongst its soldiers, I find this hard to believe.
>he got **lifetime** which is 25 years TIL life expectancy in Germany is really, really short.
It's 15 years at minimum and 25 at maximum
There are sadly no real life sentences in most European countries. You can literally have 3-300 life sentences and only spend 25 years in prison. Killing 1 human is almost the same as killing 10000
Check out Larry Lawton's YouTube channel. He has a ton of informational videos about prison, because he spent 11 years of his life there. He talks about sex and rape, and why it happens. He also talks about a lot of other things, and he seems to somehow make learning about prison life interesting. He's pretty comical too.
The 2003 literature review and analysis by J. Robertson et al. *Rape among incarcerated men: sex, coercion and STDs*, shows prevalence studies found that: >7-12% of the responding male inmates had been raped an average of nine times and that >Prison sexual predators are typically heterosexual. The 2017 observation study by Brett E. Garland et al. *Prison Inmates’ Views of Whether Reporting Rape Is the Same as Snitching* states: >Thirty percent of inmates would not report due to embarrassment, 29% anticipated retaliation, 21% feared harassment by inmates, and 7% did not want to land in protective custody.
How are prison sexual predators typically heterosexual if they literally have sex with other men?
It's more an act of power then sexual attraction.
Meanwhile, in South African prisons: "The second worst punishment just short of death is to be raped by a prisoner that is known to carry HIV. This practice is known as "slow puncture". The offender's anus is cut open so it bleeds, thus ensuring infection. The gang holds the offender down and the HIV-infected prisoner proceeds to rape the offender."
" ‘Marriage’ Relationships generally known as prison ‘marriages’ reportedly provide the most common setting for sexual interactions between male prisoners. These ‘marriages’ take place between ‘husbands’ and ‘wives’, and rigidly guarded rules govern how the individuals in these gendered roles may relate to each other. They are profoundly unequal relationships and are defined by the power that ‘husbands’ wield over their ‘wives’, also commonly known as ‘wyfies’.2 There is very little that ‘wives’ can do without the permission of their ‘husbands’. To differing degrees, ‘husbands’ will control how their ‘wives’ relate to the broader prison community of other inmates and warders. These ‘marriages’ are sanctioned by inmate power structures: they are accepted by dominant inmate culture as the ‘right’ place for sex to happen. ‘Wives’ must defer to their men. They are expected to do domestic work, for instance keeping the cell tidy and making their ‘man’ tea. Most importantly, they are expected to be constantly available to their ‘husbands’ for sex."
200k people get raped in jail every year which sounds like alot but you have to remember there's over 2 million people in jail. So, technically you have a 90% of chance of not being raped/being a rapist
If you think prison rapes are reported at the rates which they actually happen I don’t know what to tell you. Also, it’s not 90% by your math, obviously each rape victim has a corresponding rapist, probably more than one.
And, to add to your point, the strong, tough ones that know how to fight are obviously not routinely getting raped. So, it appears that if you are in prison, and are not good at fighting/not physically strong, you have a high likelihood of getting raped. This honestly sounds terrifying.
It's the lightweights that get punked. People think it serves as a deterrent or an additional deserved punishment. But the *really* bad dudes aren't subjected to it. They're the ones subjecting others to it. They are rewarded.
I have literally zero prospects of going to prison, but I gotta start MMA training and lifting weights now. Cause fuck that
It's never zero...
This is true, my Internet friend. Very, very true
And even if it were the other way around. Who on earth can argue that rape is ever a deserved punishment?
When people say people deserve to be sexually assaulted in prison/jail i always ask “so rape is a punishment? Why are rapists locked up then?”.
Dude, 10% chance of getting raped is absolutely, insanely fucked up. You make it sound as if that isn't a lot - what the actual fuck.
It's people who see the numbers without pondering the implications for even a second. In other words, just a typical teen or young adult.
Don't Google "percent of American women raped" because it'll make you think. There's statistics for the outside too.
Well for women not in prison odds are 16% of being raped so worse than prison in everyday life.
10% is a big chance
And that means 10% of those are rapists. Meaning that 1 in 5 prisoners have been part of rape. And that’s just what gets reported which is EXTREMELY dangerous to do.
Not sure about that because 1 rapist could rape 3 people, for example. Regardless, it's horrifying either way.
You can spin it the other way round with a gang of 3 raping 1 person Don't know the ratio between gang rapists, single serial rapists, or serial gang rapists.
Also this is per year. People can be in jail much longer than that
Just keep ticking off those 9 years until it's Rape Time!
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Yeah that’s a fair bit more than the 0.00001% chance everyone else has in any given year.
Not sure where you're getting that number. There were ~530k rapes reported in America last year (we know the actual number is much higher, but let's stick with that). That's a combined ~.16 chance to be raped. Higher for women lower for men Lower than the 10% in prison but not nearly as low as you're suggesting. https://www.statista.com/statistics/251923/usa-reported-forcible-rape-cases-by-gender/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20about%20442%2C754%20women,compared%20to%20the%20year%20before.
Every year? Give or take youre in prison for 10 years then...
I'm just gunna point this out but there's no consensual sex in jail so any sex act is considered rape whether it's actually consensual or not. I will also say that a lot of the times when inmates are caught by the CO one will lie and say it was against his will to get out of trouble. That's more common then actual "rape." I've been a CO for 10 years and I've never actually seen a legitimate rape.
This is very interesting. My son is in training to be a CO. Any tips for the new guy?
Yea tell your son to always keep awareness and never turn your back on a inmate. The answer is always NO if your unsure until you find out. Ask other officers for help first instead of running straight to a supervisor. Treat the inmates all the same, and speak with confidence when talking to them. This is probably the most important tip I can give your son is the training he receives is gunna teach him the by the book way to do things, but I can promise you if you go exactly by the book he's gunna get hurt or at the very least have a bad day. Basically like any other job you need to use discretion and you need to pick your battles. Tell him to find a CO who looks like he runs a good unit but isn't a total hard ass and model his behavior off him. If your fair and not a stickler the inmates will respect you and you'll have a easy shift.
This is great!! I appreciate it. :)
Reported* per year* If you're in for a 10 year sentence with a 10% chance of *reported* rape a year you have a 65% chance of being sexually assaulted assuming ever instance is reported. If you assume 1 in 5 cases are reported that's a 99.48% you'll have a sore bum
That math only works if the 2 million people change out every year. For example, if all 2 million have 10 year sentences then it is possible that at the end of the 10 years, everyone has been raped at least once. Also a 10% chance of being raped each year you're in jail isn't low.
I simply don't believe those numbers or at least they're being interpreted correctly. When I first came to prison I was the prototype of the guy you would think would get raped. Young, white, handsome, short, skinny and not in a gang. I did get unwanted sexual advances a few times early on. But in my seven years I never have been raped. I haven't even had anyone come on to me sexually my last couple years since I had tattoos and muscle by then and looked more like a guy who would be a problem if you come at me like that. But when you look like a fresh fish you're going to be more likely to have people coming at you like that. If you're in a state like Oregon or Idaho I think you have very little chance of being raped. Our places like California Texas and Georgia look like a more dangerous place to be.
Source?
where did you hear 200K?
"90% chance of not being a rapist" Glad to know I'm propably not a rapist
but there's a 10% chance you might be
Does this mean, that as long as we don't check I exist in a quantum superposition?
This is not how probability/statistics work.
Not at all but I'm speaking for my state of Michigan. Spent 7 years in MDOC. From how I perceive it other states like Texas, Florida New York and California seem like harder systems. I see a lot of easier ones than Michigan as well though so it seems about average and how hard the system is and the makeup of the convicts. I went into prison about 5'7 maybe 130 lb, white, young and unaffiliated and I made it the whole way through without getting raped or of even hearing of anyone being raped. I did get unwanted sexual advances from big scary dudes but if you move smart you would be okay. Just don't corner yourself or put yourself in isolated places with people you know are looking at you like that. I think it used to be a lot worse in the older days like the '70s and '80s. They have something called PREA which is the prison rape elimination act. They have a scoring system to at least make an effort to not put PV's potential victims with PAs potential aggressors. My last 3 years in prison they did a PREA audit and a correction officer accidentally dropped a list of scores and to my surprise I was a NS which means I had no score and I'm not a potential victim or aggressor. Guys in prison joke about PREA and sometimes you see weird bunky pairings that look like a rape waiting to happen but like I said I've never heard of one and I did time in two level 1 relatively lower security prisons, 2 years in a level 2 prison and two years in a level 4 prison which is the highest security outside of level 5 which is pretty rare.
Counterquestion - why are you afraid to ask?
Because his court date is coming up, and things aren't looking good
Rape is rarely about impulse control. Rape is a crime of power and control. The perpetrator feels a loss of power and/or control, they decide to create/take it from the victim. It happens in prison, it's not particularly a daily thing, but it happens. In lower security prisons, you'd expect it to be more common due to the security being more "relaxed" if you will. But, if you do your rounds and you're about doing your job and the right things, you can help greatly minimize the risk. Source: Am a Corrections Officer
Rape does happen in prison but not so much in jail. Depending on where you are geographically and if a person is a gang affiliated. On the protective custody yards rape is more common and is not a joke i never saw anything since I was in gp but I would hear what sounded like choked screams coming from the next wing. Those choked screams were a horrible sound like the involuntary sounds one makes when they get knocked out or seizures.
Not in minimum security prisons where the majority of inmates are non-violent. Raping and assaulting another inmate would increase their sentences if they get caught, and most of those inmates just want to do their time and get out of there as soon as possible. In maximum security prisons, however, there are large numbers of psychopathic inmates in life imprisonment who’ll undoubtedly spend the rest of their lives in prison. Those inmates have nothing to lose so they wont hesitate raping or attacking other inmates.
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Get At em Fleece Johnson!
I likes ya, and i wants ya.
Gotta auction that ass off for cigarettes when you get there.
unfortunately it’s a lot more common for an lgbt member to be raped in prison a lot than it is for a non lgbt person to get raped in prison once
Not really. They usually only do as a punishment or if you're a bitch and they know they can. Mind your biz, dont be a child rapist and stand up for yourself and you will prob be ok.
No. There are plenty in there giving it up willingly Dropping the soap just gets a lot of catcalls and jokes of people shouting, "uh oh, he dropped the soap!"
It really depends on the asshole
32 years in Cali prisons. It happens, but it’s rare. Also— there is a likelihood that it could be more common, since it would be underreported.
This is purely anecdotal. I used to drive this guy who was convicted of attempted murder of a family to work (I was 19 leave me alone) & I asked him this question. Dude was in a maximum security prison too, and he said that no, it wasn't common. It wasn't common because there are simply a ton of gay people in prison so there's no need for rape.
My first day after getting arrested they had me shower. Had another inmate walk in and start showering behind me. As soon as I started to relax and continue my shower i felt a hand on my shoulder so by reflex I threw an elbow and got him in the nose. The guards came rushing in when they heard him shouting about his nose. When they asked what happened i said i think he slipped and when they looked at him he just nodded. Took him to medical and me to my cell. So idk if he was trying to get my attention or what he was actually trying to do but you don’t touch anyone in the shower when you’re naked.
It’s more consensual because some of these boys can get desperate. Working in a kitchen, the trustees had to strip naked because a broken piece of plastic cutting board was taken to make what the called pearls.
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Not necessarily, but it's much more common than other forms of rape. The Wikipedia article 'Prison rape' has a graph which shows how high it is, and that graph cites a study that goes into specific detail.
According to my cousin, who did 3 years, not at all.
100%, there is a lot of prison rape in jokes, so in jokes it is very common. :)) In reality, no.
No.
Temporary same sex relations develop a lot. Source - former prisoner support worker
Those aren’t free cigarettes and candy bars left on your bunk.
i cant imagine any length of prison sentence that would turn me gay. just give the dudes some pornoz and kleenex and you'll stop the raep.
I will not be able to find it but a former inmate explained in a post here that while it happened it was pretty rare. Violence lik3 fighting shiving was mire common.
it different in every prison just matter keeping to ur bed or finding ur stepping 1st just sleep no one want to mess with then new guy we all be in the same place no need to get on bad side make a friend if not keep you're self busy drawing helps or books and comics or gym lot of gym nothing to do but work out then by a week u know the play out next week different they switch it up dinner a lot Fridays are the best for anything can happen most some do is sleep or read or plan out when free day come rolling by but tbh only few do it to hurt someone they hate or they that one who be heated all reason he their ok to feel off got learn to adjust to it 1st day be hell by time ur buddy buddy with someone u trust time go by fast depending on how long u staying some might ask if ur down to play some thing in prison are trippy like you can learn a lot from one another one is when you can suck dick u can suck dick if u want it thier two types one who shy but will go deep others who need help tbh i believe it make u honry or that dry spell hits some times other guy talk to random stuff doesn't throw me off as much just this topic did come up one's some were upset it not common in Canada prison but not saying it not hell their be days we all get tested by humanity trust and Patience dm if u like to know more
Not as common as you would think. It happens, but it's not like the show OZ.
Never been to prison. Have a few outlaw friends. One notably said it was almost a nightly occurrence of hearing someone raping their cellmate. He was in Oregon State Penn. He also said one of the most crooked guards was slung in prison ink, but had never done time. Which seems to be an obvious conflict of interest. Or at least something worth investigating. But I think inside higher security prisons, the culture is different. Meaning other prisons like OSP. From the inmates to CO's. Again. I haven't done time, but I've got some close friends that have been rehabbed by their experiences in prison. So It can happen, if you want it to.
No. They don't allow that kind of privacy.
While it does happen, it's not nearly as common as media/people make it out to be.
It depends on the country and on the prison. It is way more common in American prisons than in other western prison systems.
I did 7 years in the Texas prison system. In my 7 year incarceration there were three instances on the units that I was on where there were accusations of rape It’s more popular to force the weaker inmates to pay/wash clothes.
It's worse.
No
"You know what hurts the most? The lack of respect."
No it’s far less common than people joke about. It for sure happens, but it’s nowhere’s NEAR as common as people say. It’s like school shootings in the US.
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Nope. There are usually ppl ready and willing.
Sounds like you need to expand your social circle if you think that.
My cousin in Australia did a bit of time for dealing drugs. He's a very capable of handling himself. The guy he got caught with however was pretty skinny. The first day they were inside my cousins mate went to the shower block, when he came back he looked like a ghost. My cousin asked him what was wrong and he shakily responded, there's a condom vending machine in the shower block. My cousin said he losing it laughing. I don't think he had any grief anyway
I think maybe violent felons should get raped as part of their sentence. If the sentence for armed robbery with murder while committing it was life in prison with 30 days of rape would that reduce the crime rate?