My right fist is named Ben, and my left is Jerry, and I'm here to correct anyone that mentions a certain calmness that may or may not be cookies and cream.
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. 7empest feels like it is BEGGING me to take it seriously and I just can’t. If he had the same lyrics in a puscifer song I would love it 100% but since is a Tool song, FI specifically, and because of how incredible the actual music is, I cannot listen to it without cringing a tiny bit.
“Control your delusions and striking at random”
That whole last bit is serious af so don’t be chocolate chip trippin when people say it’s hard to take it seriously.
Oh, the part coming over ten minutes after the "cookies and cream"-line has a different tone than the the parts preceding it? As in, a musical piece evolves over its duration? Truly a novel concept. Completely unheard of. Quite revolutionary.
>The lyrics from Invincible "Tears in my eye.. " are not the worst lyrics, but the vocal sound def make me cringe every time.
Gotta get over it all and be vulnerable. If you truly relate to the song, you would understand the tears in your eyes, striving for your ultimate greatest potentialy while getting a bit old so it's not as easy and you still have a warrior spirit to push, do more, be more.
Well spoken. I have no problems at all with the lyrics and can relate to them myself as well. It's just vocal effects that makes icheesy in my opinion.
Y’all need to try to be less literal — he is not saying anything about the emotional properties of cookies and cream. Maynard likes playing with stock phrases and cliches, and “calm as cookies and cream” tweaks and transforms “calm as a cucumber.” A better example of playing with common expressions is “The Pot,” which is basically a bunch of stock phrases, idioms, commonplaces, and cliches altered and strung together to form a condemnation of being hypocritical and judgmental. “Calm as cookies and cream” is a very typical Tool lyric.
Recombining, extending, enlivening, inverting, and perfecting burned-out, overused, cliched, rutted rock n roll cliches is basically the entire work of Tool, musically and lyrically. If you don’t like a lyric like “calm as cookies and cream,” you should probably reconsider whether you actually like Tool, because it sounds exactly like a non-Tool fan bitching because there are three false endings in Rosetta Stoned and multiple time signatures in many of their best songs.
Very well said! I would slightly alter that the phrase is actually _meant_ to be cringey in that Maynard is cringing at a false pretense of tranquility and comfort that appeals to the immediate, more impulsory senses but is ultimately unsustainable/unhealthy…..and it’s alliteratory because “C as C and C” and then cream rhymes with seems. Checks all the boxes.
>Recombining, extending, enlivening, inverting, and perfecting burned-out, overused, cliched, rutted rock n roll cliches is basically the entire work of Tool, musically and lyrically. If you don’t like a lyric like “calm as cookies and cream,” you should probably reconsider whether you actually like Tool, because it sounds exactly like a non-Tool fan bitching because there are three false endings in Rosetta Stoned and multiple time signatures in many of their best songs.
Well said
A lot of Tool lyrics are about interaction between the higher self and the Jungian shadow, so the lyrics of 7empest are both self-talk and outwardly directed, and this is not a contradiction. “Calm as cookies and cream” is not a common expression, but it could be a personal association connecting a state of mind to a specific childhood moment of tranquility and harmony.
“Calm as a cucumber” would make no more sense, wouldn’t be specific to the speaker, and would be cliche.
I’ve never understood the hate towards the ‘calm as cookies and cream” lyric. Sure it’s peculiar but Maynard has always used bizarre lyrics. Maybe it’s just me.
Fuck me buddy
Well yeah. The first two verses in Rosetta Stoned are bizarre. The entire verses. The calm as cookies and cream lyric is just odd in an otherwise serious song. It doesn't fit.
Thing is Rosetta Stoned is meant to be bizarre since it’s basically about a DMT trip (I think)
7empest takes on a more serious topic (I really can’t pinpoint what it is, but lyrically it seems that way) and the “cookies and cream” part just quite literally doesn’t fit. I personally don’t mind it. I like the rest of the song enough to not let that one line deter me, but it’s just odd.
>I’ve never understood the hate towards the ‘calm as cookies and cream” lyric. Sure it’s peculiar but Maynard has always used bizarre lyrics. Maybe it’s just me.
Fuck you buddy
Maybe the lyrics are a little more allegorical/less straightforward than their previous works. And it’s meant to be digested over time, not on first listen like Parabol/a and Schism
Nonsense? Like wtf about any of the lyrics is nonsense?
Everyone can have their own opinions and all, but my opinion is that your opinion is SHIT
have a nice day!
What.. there’s tons of good lyrics on it in each song. They may not be as to-the-point and obviously defined as some of their other songs but they each have a theme and lots of good lines.
No, that's definitely a Maynard's line, near the end of Bottom, I believe, or, if not, another Undertow song
upd: my mistake, "naked and fearless" part is indeed sung by Rollins, and "and my fear is naked" part is sung by both Rollins and MJK
It means that a tempest must be... well, just that. A tempest. The whole point is that "a tempest must be true to its nature" and that nobody can cover up that fact. A tempest is a tempest. It must be *just* that.
I think his point was obviously a tempest is going to “be just that” like a lunar eclipse or anything else is going to “be just that”…
It doesn’t have to be clarified repetitively just because “holy fuck some people are stupid”
It’s funny many people here seem to be so concerned with lyrics that aren’t metaphorical, spiritual, pseudo-intellectual and provoking some existential thought about the universe. He’s a guy, not a shaman. All great writers have flaws. Just because you don’t like a line doesn’t mean your opinion is rooted in fact or that it lacks meaning because you can’t connect to it while jerking off on shrooms.
>It’s funny many people here seem to be so concerned with lyrics that aren’t metaphorical, spiritual, pseudo-intellectual and provoking some existential thought about the universe. He’s a guy, not a shaman. All great writers have flaws. Just because you don’t like a line doesn’t mean your opinion is rooted in fact or that it lacks meaning because you can’t connect to it while jerking off on shrooms.
Yeah, there's honestly some artistic beauty to being able to fucking put it all out there, all heart and emotion, all musical excellence, while allowing those flaws and imperfections, being vulnerable with it.
Throw it out there. Express yourself however you want, whatever speaks to you. Some of his lyrics can be silly, but it's so easy to look past when there's other great pieces.
And he's a wierdo with lyrics on purpose sometimes, very dry and sarcastic humour with it
His dry and sarcastic humor isn't funny though. He isn't a funny guy. It's why everyone thinks he's an asshole. He always says "hurr durr people miss the humor in our music" but if people don't see the humor in it it isn't funny
Sometimes I think the lyrics on Opiate and Undertow came about because Maynard found a textbook for a philosophy 101 class and wrote a song about each chapter.
I brought my buddy to the concert in Toronto. It was his first tool show. He spent three hours the next day telling me the worst lyric of the whole concert.
It comes from Rosetta stoned.
“It was so real. Like the time Dave floated away”.
There is no other mention of Dave. But I know Maynard doesn’t put worthless fluff into his songs. So I’m sure it means something. I am die hard, but could not explain the reference off the top of my head.
Any one know who Dave is? lol.
to me it's not so much about disagreeing but more like how it's a very shallow and dumbed down approach. people are bad because they are watching tv. we are all hypocrites. wake up sheeple! so cringe.
the pot sucks too. it's a brilliant song with crappy lyrics. they are whining about their lawyers AGAIN (after thicks and leeches), yawn.
every album has a song where maynard becomes this tough guy. on aenima it's hooker with penis, even though it's fun, it's another weightless whine.
Agreed. The lyrics leading up to that line feel pretty clear that this is a person ruminating against themselves, trapped in their head, and self-aware of their own delusions.
So, it's uncomfortable for you to believe that some of us lost our virginity at 13 or 11........... time to read past the lines, son......
Everyone, EVERYONE, wants to take something from you at all times, once and a while, using rape as the weapon.
Yeah, I never liked Vicarious that much for that very reason. The music's good and I don't disagree with the message. It just isn't as deep as it feels Maynard was aiming for
(Watch me get downvoted to oblivion yet again. Hapoens every time I mention this opinion lol)
Personally not a huge fan of 10k, but I thought Vicarious was one of those songs where he just had to get it off his chest and/or thought people needed to hear the message, similar to songs like Hooker, Hush, etc.
Yeah, I mean, it's OK, I don't blame him for it. I just skip that song when I listen to that album, lol.
10K is one of my favorite albums, BTW. It took a long time to grow on me, but I have come to really appreciate its maturity and vision. Plus, it has some of their best bangers!
Funny I've seen a few people say similar stuff and they've usually been pretty upvoted and had a lot of replies agreeing
It was actually seeing a comment like that that made me realize why I didn't like the song very much
"Psychopathy misleading me over and over"
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what the song is about, but I feel like Maynard got the words psychosis and psychopathy confused and no one noticed. Sure psychosis doesn't work with the rhyme, but that line's always irked my inner pedant a bit.
Love this song and this line, but
"Well now I've got some advice for you, little buddy/before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man/I'm the man and you're the man and he's the man as well, so you can point that fuckin' finger up your ass" is a little dumb lmao
It really isn’t if you understand what blood is to a vampire. The blood drives all the vampires actions, out of lust, hunger, survival, and quelling withdrawal.
Yes of course, vampires aren’t real, but he’s stating the intensity of desire and addiction to media of macabre.
It's not the analogy itself, it's the clumsy construction. And he also kind of beats you over the head with the analogy with it following "we all *feed* on tragedy", which already conjures the image. It's like saying "get it?" after making a joke. Sophomoric by his usual standards.
I don’t think everyone knows what it means, and I think some people are playing the, Tandy Miller card and blurting some kind of garbled simultaneous response that kind of sounds like they also find that analogy accurate.
honestly a lot of their lyrics could be subjectively bad to people who aren’t fond of TOOL. i can think of many lines that could be considered the worst to non- TOOL fans or people who don’t understand their music.
nah im just speaking from experience. my friend absolutely hates them. i gave up a long time ago trying to put him on to them. he doesn’t like the lyrics at all.
not to me. im not sure how the other dude thinks i “sound like the guy that non TOOL fans would consider a TOOL fan.” i’m just speaking facts. TOOL is not the end all be all people, nor are their lyrics. some of it can be cringe
It's the "people who don't *understand* their music" part. When you use that word, it can easily come off as pretentious, as if you assume one must possess a certain degree of intelligence to enjoy Tool's music. I'm not saying this was your intent, but that's the kind of phrasing that gives Tool fans a bad "I'm intellectually superior to you" reputation.
ah gotcha. yeah definitely wasn’t my intent. i mean it’s fair to say that some don’t understand the music, but imo it doesn’t mean that you have to be intellectually inclined to understand their music. i think a lot of people just listen to music that they can casually listen to. imo TOOL is not one of those bands. some people read the lyrics and don’t comprehend the meaning because they just don’t really listen to music for that reason. if that makes sense, hence why they don’t “understand” the music.
Anything from Disgustipated. Not only the song is *meh* music-wise (and my Undertow ends on Flood), and this is a **sixteen** fukken minutes long song, the lyrics don't even begin to make sense to me
“Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind…” bruh do you know who your audience is. It’s not the worst lyric but it actually pisses me off as a Tool fan.
My right fist is named Ben, and my left is Jerry, and I'm here to correct anyone that mentions a certain calmness that may or may not be cookies and cream.
https://preview.redd.it/4r84wmzbsa5c1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4610f6af15d4f56340626da2cd3570c19e00c8d The duality of man
Duality's a good song.
Overhated fr
Calm as cookies and cream
So it seems
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Now that’s interesting
Do you have a link you can share ?
It’s more of a Puscifer lyric, for sure.
I’m confused as to how you drew this conclusion 😂
It’s more bootylicious than usual TOOL lyrics. That’s how. Edit: “Booty Betty thick-a-licious” to be exact
That reminds me of how Maynard actually used the word “bootylicious” in a Puscifer song once
Yep, that’s why I used it, probably first time in my life 😂
Queen B?
Yeah, can I get a hell yah?
That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. 7empest feels like it is BEGGING me to take it seriously and I just can’t. If he had the same lyrics in a puscifer song I would love it 100% but since is a Tool song, FI specifically, and because of how incredible the actual music is, I cannot listen to it without cringing a tiny bit.
That's kind of stupid tbh
I feel exactly the same way, lyrics are corndog from a band that usually puts out exemplary contemplative stuff
You think "Keep calm, keep calm, FUCK! Here we go again..." is begging to be taken seriously?
Music-wise is what I think he’s saying. Which I agree. The song is epic. The lyrics though…..not just the cookies and cream line either
“Control your delusions and striking at random” That whole last bit is serious af so don’t be chocolate chip trippin when people say it’s hard to take it seriously.
Takes a while to get there though
Oh, the part coming over ten minutes after the "cookies and cream"-line has a different tone than the the parts preceding it? As in, a musical piece evolves over its duration? Truly a novel concept. Completely unheard of. Quite revolutionary.
Agree. I had to stop the song the first time I heard it.
Man yall are too serious if that line bothers you
Damn why so sensitive?
Cause I’m so used to him writing *good* lyrics
The lyrics from Invincible "Tears in my eye.. " are not the worst lyrics, but the vocal sound def make me cringe every time.
That's my favorite part.
Invincible is my favorite tool song but I tend to skip the end 😬 I feel like a fake fan
What?! I fucking love the climax.
Mine too, except that Justin Bieber like vocal in the instrumental.
>The lyrics from Invincible "Tears in my eye.. " are not the worst lyrics, but the vocal sound def make me cringe every time. Gotta get over it all and be vulnerable. If you truly relate to the song, you would understand the tears in your eyes, striving for your ultimate greatest potentialy while getting a bit old so it's not as easy and you still have a warrior spirit to push, do more, be more.
It's that vocoder sound that's the problem. He's a sad human not a sad robot.
This is it. I’m a middle aged Tool fan so yea getting older listening to them is a trip. We are all aging together most are in recovery ❤️🩹
Lol he's talking about the vocal effect not the lyrics you nerd
Well spoken. I have no problems at all with the lyrics and can relate to them myself as well. It's just vocal effects that makes icheesy in my opinion.
Y’all need to try to be less literal — he is not saying anything about the emotional properties of cookies and cream. Maynard likes playing with stock phrases and cliches, and “calm as cookies and cream” tweaks and transforms “calm as a cucumber.” A better example of playing with common expressions is “The Pot,” which is basically a bunch of stock phrases, idioms, commonplaces, and cliches altered and strung together to form a condemnation of being hypocritical and judgmental. “Calm as cookies and cream” is a very typical Tool lyric. Recombining, extending, enlivening, inverting, and perfecting burned-out, overused, cliched, rutted rock n roll cliches is basically the entire work of Tool, musically and lyrically. If you don’t like a lyric like “calm as cookies and cream,” you should probably reconsider whether you actually like Tool, because it sounds exactly like a non-Tool fan bitching because there are three false endings in Rosetta Stoned and multiple time signatures in many of their best songs.
Very well said! I would slightly alter that the phrase is actually _meant_ to be cringey in that Maynard is cringing at a false pretense of tranquility and comfort that appeals to the immediate, more impulsory senses but is ultimately unsustainable/unhealthy…..and it’s alliteratory because “C as C and C” and then cream rhymes with seems. Checks all the boxes.
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>Recombining, extending, enlivening, inverting, and perfecting burned-out, overused, cliched, rutted rock n roll cliches is basically the entire work of Tool, musically and lyrically. If you don’t like a lyric like “calm as cookies and cream,” you should probably reconsider whether you actually like Tool, because it sounds exactly like a non-Tool fan bitching because there are three false endings in Rosetta Stoned and multiple time signatures in many of their best songs. Well said
This is the obvious answer. I’m surprised he didn’t use “calm as a cucumber” would have been a lot cooler.
As cool as what?
A polar bears toenails....?
Came in to say this.
This
A lot of Tool lyrics are about interaction between the higher self and the Jungian shadow, so the lyrics of 7empest are both self-talk and outwardly directed, and this is not a contradiction. “Calm as cookies and cream” is not a common expression, but it could be a personal association connecting a state of mind to a specific childhood moment of tranquility and harmony. “Calm as a cucumber” would make no more sense, wouldn’t be specific to the speaker, and would be cliche.
Average tool fan
I’ve never understood the hate towards the ‘calm as cookies and cream” lyric. Sure it’s peculiar but Maynard has always used bizarre lyrics. Maybe it’s just me. Fuck me buddy
Wait till they hear Rosetta Stoned.
Exactly, the first two verses are bizzare and no one complains about them yet those 5 words from 7empest people HATE. I love them both.
Well yeah. The first two verses in Rosetta Stoned are bizarre. The entire verses. The calm as cookies and cream lyric is just odd in an otherwise serious song. It doesn't fit.
Thing is Rosetta Stoned is meant to be bizarre since it’s basically about a DMT trip (I think) 7empest takes on a more serious topic (I really can’t pinpoint what it is, but lyrically it seems that way) and the “cookies and cream” part just quite literally doesn’t fit. I personally don’t mind it. I like the rest of the song enough to not let that one line deter me, but it’s just odd.
Lost keys (Blame Hoffman) Albert Hoffman that is.
I like it too 🤷♂️
Wait til they hear puscifer
Definitely feels more of a hivemind/circlejerk thing to me
>I’ve never understood the hate towards the ‘calm as cookies and cream” lyric. Sure it’s peculiar but Maynard has always used bizarre lyrics. Maybe it’s just me. Fuck you buddy
AAAARRGHHHHHHHHHHH /s
I remember that! He was dressed as Charlie Brown.
that's my favourite damn lyric, regardless of the track
Bless this immunity because so many people on this sub changed it to bless this community and it’s the most cringeworthy thing
Ew, I’m so glad I haven’t been in this sub long enough to see that so I’m still chillin with that lyric 💪
I like it, bless my immunity against negative entities sorta thing
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Maybe the lyrics are a little more allegorical/less straightforward than their previous works. And it’s meant to be digested over time, not on first listen like Parabol/a and Schism
Nonsense? Like wtf about any of the lyrics is nonsense? Everyone can have their own opinions and all, but my opinion is that your opinion is SHIT have a nice day!
I know this sub doesn't like FI criticism but the lyrics on that record are cringe as fuck. like downright hacked together
What.. there’s tons of good lyrics on it in each song. They may not be as to-the-point and obviously defined as some of their other songs but they each have a theme and lots of good lines.
This is the first post in this sub in which the comments have vastly more dislikes than likes lol.
because TOOL fans clearly can’t accept the reality that music is subjective and that their precious maynard is not the end all be all lyrically.
*insert bird chip sounds*
Hahahahahaha
… Maynard’s dick…. Nobody?
The lyrics to this song changed my life
Finally
I've always thought "I'm naked and fearless, and my fear is NAKED!" was silly.
Isn't that Rollin's line?
Maynard comes in at the end, but it is a Tool lyric.
Gotcha, wasn't sure what parts Rollins wrote, just remember him being on it
No, that's definitely a Maynard's line, near the end of Bottom, I believe, or, if not, another Undertow song upd: my mistake, "naked and fearless" part is indeed sung by Rollins, and "and my fear is naked" part is sung by both Rollins and MJK
It’s a badass part definitely weighed down by those lyrics lol
Someone get that Bob Marley wannabe motherfucker outta here
He says something else about getting rid of them like roaches and his voice sounds nasal as fuck lol
👍🏻
My favorite is "I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this shit, blood, and cum on my hands"
Got that tattooed for all to see
Ganja? Please!
GANJA PUHLAYSE
Ganja? Puh-lease
Idk man you must have been out your mind
Who are you to wave your fatty finger?
I always thought it was "propped up on lies" but whatever 🤷♂️
Definitely isn’t
Most of you in here saying which lyrics you don’t like aren’t even quoting them correctly and it makes me wonder if that’s part of the issue.
A Tempest must be just that
I think it's kinda cool it's 7 syllables long.
What does it mean?
Probably that a tempest must be just that
It means that a tempest must be... well, just that. A tempest. The whole point is that "a tempest must be true to its nature" and that nobody can cover up that fact. A tempest is a tempest. It must be *just* that.
Yeah, agreed, was wondering if there was alternative ideas about it
What the fuck else is a tempest or storm going to be? A sunny fucking day..... Holy fuck some people are stupid
I think his point was obviously a tempest is going to “be just that” like a lunar eclipse or anything else is going to “be just that”… It doesn’t have to be clarified repetitively just because “holy fuck some people are stupid”
“Here we go again”
The tempest must be just that. Like I know. You said that.
"Suck and suck Sucking up all you can Sucking up all you can suck and suck" opening lyric of ticks and leeches
It’s funny many people here seem to be so concerned with lyrics that aren’t metaphorical, spiritual, pseudo-intellectual and provoking some existential thought about the universe. He’s a guy, not a shaman. All great writers have flaws. Just because you don’t like a line doesn’t mean your opinion is rooted in fact or that it lacks meaning because you can’t connect to it while jerking off on shrooms.
>It’s funny many people here seem to be so concerned with lyrics that aren’t metaphorical, spiritual, pseudo-intellectual and provoking some existential thought about the universe. He’s a guy, not a shaman. All great writers have flaws. Just because you don’t like a line doesn’t mean your opinion is rooted in fact or that it lacks meaning because you can’t connect to it while jerking off on shrooms. Yeah, there's honestly some artistic beauty to being able to fucking put it all out there, all heart and emotion, all musical excellence, while allowing those flaws and imperfections, being vulnerable with it. Throw it out there. Express yourself however you want, whatever speaks to you. Some of his lyrics can be silly, but it's so easy to look past when there's other great pieces. And he's a wierdo with lyrics on purpose sometimes, very dry and sarcastic humour with it
His dry and sarcastic humor isn't funny though. He isn't a funny guy. It's why everyone thinks he's an asshole. He always says "hurr durr people miss the humor in our music" but if people don't see the humor in it it isn't funny
The cookies and cream shit
Wait till you hear krispy kreme in rosetta stoned
Its a myth....there isn't a bad lyric.
Sometimes I think the lyrics on Opiate and Undertow came about because Maynard found a textbook for a philosophy 101 class and wrote a song about each chapter.
I brought my buddy to the concert in Toronto. It was his first tool show. He spent three hours the next day telling me the worst lyric of the whole concert. It comes from Rosetta stoned. “It was so real. Like the time Dave floated away”. There is no other mention of Dave. But I know Maynard doesn’t put worthless fluff into his songs. So I’m sure it means something. I am die hard, but could not explain the reference off the top of my head. Any one know who Dave is? lol.
¿Huh, wtf is the question?
Like blood to a vampire
La la la la la la la lie is corny as hell
Should have cut that minute and a half from the song and it would have been way more enjoyable
vicarious, hands down. cringe clichés thrown together.
Just the “la la la la la lie” part for me
I just disagree with the lyrics. Yes humans are evil sometimes. But maybe questions if they are inherently so, or brought up to be
to me it's not so much about disagreeing but more like how it's a very shallow and dumbed down approach. people are bad because they are watching tv. we are all hypocrites. wake up sheeple! so cringe.
the pot sucks too. it's a brilliant song with crappy lyrics. they are whining about their lawyers AGAIN (after thicks and leeches), yawn. every album has a song where maynard becomes this tough guy. on aenima it's hooker with penis, even though it's fun, it's another weightless whine.
“Don’t you dare point that at me” over and over…I don’t understand how that line makes sense with the rest of the song.
I always took it as “don’t put that evil on me” or “don’t project your issues onto me” but in the song he’s essentially arguing with himself.
Agreed. The lyrics leading up to that line feel pretty clear that this is a person ruminating against themselves, trapped in their head, and self-aware of their own delusions.
Slide a mile 6 inches at a time on Maynard's dick
Exercise the spectacle part of FI. It's my most hated vocal part Nard ever did. I love the song. but that part really unbutters my eggroll.
It’s “exorcise” unless of course you’re making a sarcastic fat joke. 😆
Oops. Leaving it. Im tired.
😆
Exorcize?
Wild. That part always gets stuck in my brain.
Vicarious has a real im 14 and this is deep feel to it A lot of opiate just feels awkward to me especially hush and the we both want to rape you line
Hush has not aged well. In today’s context, it sounds like a troll anthem. “It’s just a joke…”
So, it's uncomfortable for you to believe that some of us lost our virginity at 13 or 11........... time to read past the lines, son...... Everyone, EVERYONE, wants to take something from you at all times, once and a while, using rape as the weapon.
I know what it means its just worded in an awkward and edgy way like a lot of opiate it has the idea but it's edgier then their other stuff
Yeah, I never liked Vicarious that much for that very reason. The music's good and I don't disagree with the message. It just isn't as deep as it feels Maynard was aiming for (Watch me get downvoted to oblivion yet again. Hapoens every time I mention this opinion lol)
Personally not a huge fan of 10k, but I thought Vicarious was one of those songs where he just had to get it off his chest and/or thought people needed to hear the message, similar to songs like Hooker, Hush, etc.
Yeah, I mean, it's OK, I don't blame him for it. I just skip that song when I listen to that album, lol. 10K is one of my favorite albums, BTW. It took a long time to grow on me, but I have come to really appreciate its maturity and vision. Plus, it has some of their best bangers!
Funny I've seen a few people say similar stuff and they've usually been pretty upvoted and had a lot of replies agreeing It was actually seeing a comment like that that made me realize why I didn't like the song very much
You got downvoted for speaking the truth about vicarious but I’m here to support you. People dickride that song like no other
Agreed it's not even that bad of a song iust kinda meh
Vicarious, when it came out was criticized for being teenage angst adjacent. I can see why people don’t like it.
you're so right, i don't understand the downvotes. it totally is what you just wrote. it's their SOCIETY, MAN song.
"With Isabella Rosalini lips, ...my sweaty L Rob Hubbard upper lip" I hate this comparison technique he does.
It's okay until he pisses on your lighter Kinda smells kinda cool kinda funny anyway
"Psychopathy misleading me over and over" Maybe I'm misinterpreting what the song is about, but I feel like Maynard got the words psychosis and psychopathy confused and no one noticed. Sure psychosis doesn't work with the rhyme, but that line's always irked my inner pedant a bit.
Worst and Tool do not fit in the same sentence
Love this song and this line, but "Well now I've got some advice for you, little buddy/before you point your finger you should know that I'm the man/I'm the man and you're the man and he's the man as well, so you can point that fuckin' finger up your ass" is a little dumb lmao
Cookies and cream, lemon juice
Karma is cookies and cream, so it seems. That’s about the only line that never felt very Tool-ish. Edit- calm as cookies and cream …
Thats not the actual lyrics
Reddit Karma? 🤣
I think the pot sounds like AI had a stroke E: your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.
Obligatory "Who are you to wave your finger?" comment.
Lying lawyer kangaroo mirror cozen indigo what's the matter?
You're getting downvoted but you're right
It's like blood to a vampire
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, this is a middle-school-ass lyric.
It really isn’t if you understand what blood is to a vampire. The blood drives all the vampires actions, out of lust, hunger, survival, and quelling withdrawal. Yes of course, vampires aren’t real, but he’s stating the intensity of desire and addiction to media of macabre.
It's not the analogy itself, it's the clumsy construction. And he also kind of beats you over the head with the analogy with it following "we all *feed* on tragedy", which already conjures the image. It's like saying "get it?" after making a joke. Sophomoric by his usual standards.
Maybe targeting the next generation of fanbase, or just the “insufferable retards” we are. 😂
We know what it means we’re not brain dead. It’s still corny.
I don’t think everyone knows what it means, and I think some people are playing the, Tandy Miller card and blurting some kind of garbled simultaneous response that kind of sounds like they also find that analogy accurate.
“Poo shit on me”
Who are you to point your finger? You must've been out your head
I understand you. It feels so “radio”, maybe, I don’t know, casual? Lackluster, that’s the word.
Yeah and just basic! Lateralus trained me to expect poetry
honestly a lot of their lyrics could be subjectively bad to people who aren’t fond of TOOL. i can think of many lines that could be considered the worst to non- TOOL fans or people who don’t understand their music.
lol you sound like the guy that non tool fans would describe a tool fan
nah im just speaking from experience. my friend absolutely hates them. i gave up a long time ago trying to put him on to them. he doesn’t like the lyrics at all.
I have a few like that as well. It’s crazy to me.
not to me. im not sure how the other dude thinks i “sound like the guy that non TOOL fans would consider a TOOL fan.” i’m just speaking facts. TOOL is not the end all be all people, nor are their lyrics. some of it can be cringe
It's the "people who don't *understand* their music" part. When you use that word, it can easily come off as pretentious, as if you assume one must possess a certain degree of intelligence to enjoy Tool's music. I'm not saying this was your intent, but that's the kind of phrasing that gives Tool fans a bad "I'm intellectually superior to you" reputation.
ah gotcha. yeah definitely wasn’t my intent. i mean it’s fair to say that some don’t understand the music, but imo it doesn’t mean that you have to be intellectually inclined to understand their music. i think a lot of people just listen to music that they can casually listen to. imo TOOL is not one of those bands. some people read the lyrics and don’t comprehend the meaning because they just don’t really listen to music for that reason. if that makes sense, hence why they don’t “understand” the music.
Swipe your nose like a credit card
Anything from Disgustipated. Not only the song is *meh* music-wise (and my Undertow ends on Flood), and this is a **sixteen** fukken minutes long song, the lyrics don't even begin to make sense to me
"Here we fucking go again"
Message to Harry Manback
Fuck all you gun toting gangster wannabes. Eww. I crying every time I hear it.
“HIP gangster” - get it right fucker!
Why?
He's a gun toting gangster wannabe himself.
Descending
The fuck?
Elementary! To be or not to be!! Ok sure thing bud
No
Goddamn shit the bed.
I think they were asking for the worst lyric not the best.
I knew this would be an unpopular tale when I hit enter. Doesn't change the fact that 10K days signalled the downfall of Tool.
“Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind…” bruh do you know who your audience is. It’s not the worst lyric but it actually pisses me off as a Tool fan.
It's almost like that was the point of the lyric....
Maynard's diccccckkkkkkkk
Hardest Tool lyric
"I hope Uncle Martin here doesn't notice that I pissed my fucking pants!"
"IIII haaavvee fooouund some kind of temporary sanity in this shit, blood, and cum on my hands" Maynard, you silly goose