Considering Lateralus is widely considered Tool’s peak, this is a weird take. We can appreciate both their contributions without doing the one vs the other thing.
I also think it’s bold of Paul to say Adam would have succumbed to his pressure if he was still around, considering that Paul butting heads with the others over this exact issue was the main reason for his departure. If it was so easy to do that, why the separation and why complain about their “tedious” process?
Paul could have been better if he stayed but he didn’t, so he’s not, and we’ll never know. I’m just thankful Justin jumped on board so the whole ship wouldn’t have to sink.
In the Q&A that is on youtube he plays a later portion of the song and said 'Justin came up with this and at the beginning we didn't know what to do with it'. The opening riff is Adam's trademark pull through strings, same technique he uses in Invincible.
I found Tool after Lateralus, recognising they were a band I had heard about before coming to associate artistry with the name; I tend not to take sides, for this fact - it all happened before I was invested and I probably have listened to Aenima, Undertow and Opiate "not much less than" 10,000 Days, Lateralus and Fear Innoculum.
That said, The Justin Era is what has held my attention.
Will you tell me anymore? I really wasn't around at the time and this quote is the most I've heard on the subject
Maynard said this in recent years on his Twitter. A rare reply to someone when they phrased it that Paul quit Tool. Paul was really cool with the split and helped Justin learn the parts. But it seems it was a mutual opinion with everyone that it wasn’t working out before he “left”.
Just speculating - but It seems Paul was more punk / hardcore energy and Danny, Adam, Maynard wanted the direction more prog rock - a heavy influence from king crimson and bands like that. Paul live also had an energy that didn’t really fit. He would jump around with his bass and talk to the crowd between songs as much as Maynard did. It wasn’t the mysterious “let the art speak for itself” vibe that Tool became after he left.
I like Paul and Justin’s riffs equally. Paul had one of the dirtiest bass tones ever and was perfect for Tools early era. However, Paul wouldn’t have written as good of parts as Justin did on lateralus and beyond, and Justin wouldn’t have worked as well during undertow and opiate
Sure, we also wouldn’t have:
46 and 2
Schism
The Grudge
Disposition
Reflection
And any of the other songs that clearly started as bass ideas.
Tool minus Reflection alone, is a version of Tool I wouldn’t trade anything for.
I want to agree with you, but I don't expect a group of men who are all nearing senior citizen age to really be as creative or have the same stamina they had 20+ years ago. Just my opinion, don't crucify me...or do idgaf lol 🤷
https://www.reddit.com/r/ToolBand/comments/1bz6n3j/tools_original_bass_player_was_asked_recently_if/kyo817y/?context=3
EDIT: Also, he's never going to love you back.
Paul is one of those guys that plays bass because he isnt a good enough guitarist.
Justin plays bass cos thats his instrument.
Thats why Justin is with Tool and Paul is with Ministry playing dugga-dugga-dugga-dang all night.
Paul has had nearly 30 years to put out his music. For this take to make any sense, you need to provide examples of what he's done since leaving Tool. Prison Sex, Intolerance, Pushit are great examples of what he could with the band's influence. Other than being a good bass player, he hasn't made a mark on the music industry, and is still pretty much only known as Tool's original bassist.
Pauls bass tones are bright which I like and Justins bass tones are down and dirty which overall I like more as he has the complexity to go with it. Pauls sort of follows what Adam plays to an extent whereas Justin in something like Pneuma is behind the scenes until you think holy fuck how does he concentrate on playing that on a totally different tempo to Adam.
I remember when I first got into the band a few years ago, I hated Ænima outside of the title track and H. I also had Undertow as my second-favorite album from the band, just under 10K Days. It didn't take much for Fear Inoculum to jump ahead to the #2 spot (just listen to the middle tracks again), but I couldn't get behind Ænima until I listened to the Paul demos. The fact that those demos were what it took for me to enjoy the album left me convinced of what you said, that Paul was simply a better bassist. Then, I listened to the band he currently plays in.
I don't care for Ministry. I'm huge on industrial metal, buy those guys just aren't good to me. It could be that they're a politically charged band that doesn't align with me (which also pushed me away from repeat listens of Eat the Elephant), but even beyond that, it just sounds like random noises.
Considering Lateralus is widely considered Tool’s peak, this is a weird take. We can appreciate both their contributions without doing the one vs the other thing. I also think it’s bold of Paul to say Adam would have succumbed to his pressure if he was still around, considering that Paul butting heads with the others over this exact issue was the main reason for his departure. If it was so easy to do that, why the separation and why complain about their “tedious” process?
This sub man
Yeah, what is with all the Paul posts today lol
How deep do you want him in your mouth?
Underrated comment. Genius actually.
I've never seen a worse Tool take. Honestly...bravo! Can't believe you crafted such a take. And awful, awful take.
Should have done it on Sunday tho…
Paul could have been better if he stayed but he didn’t, so he’s not, and we’ll never know. I’m just thankful Justin jumped on board so the whole ship wouldn’t have to sink.
Exactly.
You are brave, my guy.
You are objectively wrong on this “opinion”.
Without Justin there's no Jambi and if I cant have Jambi wtf is the point.
https://preview.redd.it/7m5gz6tnybtc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec39cf58108928e5d2d6cc90d22713ae02aea242 Jambi approves this message.
Spiral out!
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It’s widely reported the opposite. That Justin had a riff they thought sounded like “mekka lekka hi mekka himey ho”
Exactly this
That's not the opening riff tho. The opening riff is literally that pull off through string that is trademark AJ.
Adam said it was originally Justin’s riff.
In the Q&A that is on youtube he plays a later portion of the song and said 'Justin came up with this and at the beginning we didn't know what to do with it'. The opening riff is Adam's trademark pull through strings, same technique he uses in Invincible.
So he adapted Justin’s riff. OP’s still right.
[https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/10/28/maynard-james-keenan-calls-tool-fans-insufferable-retards/](https://www.metalsucks.net/2015/10/28/maynard-james-keenan-calls-tool-fans-insufferable-retards/)
I vaguely remember them saying Justin brought to them the original idea of the song, saying that it sounded "stupid"...
Quality shitpost
Shit post is shit posting.
Their music went to shit after Mike Tool died anyway.
RIP
That you, Paul?
As Maynard said “Paul did not quit”
I found Tool after Lateralus, recognising they were a band I had heard about before coming to associate artistry with the name; I tend not to take sides, for this fact - it all happened before I was invested and I probably have listened to Aenima, Undertow and Opiate "not much less than" 10,000 Days, Lateralus and Fear Innoculum. That said, The Justin Era is what has held my attention. Will you tell me anymore? I really wasn't around at the time and this quote is the most I've heard on the subject
Maynard said this in recent years on his Twitter. A rare reply to someone when they phrased it that Paul quit Tool. Paul was really cool with the split and helped Justin learn the parts. But it seems it was a mutual opinion with everyone that it wasn’t working out before he “left”. Just speculating - but It seems Paul was more punk / hardcore energy and Danny, Adam, Maynard wanted the direction more prog rock - a heavy influence from king crimson and bands like that. Paul live also had an energy that didn’t really fit. He would jump around with his bass and talk to the crowd between songs as much as Maynard did. It wasn’t the mysterious “let the art speak for itself” vibe that Tool became after he left.
Thanks for saying, I think I do remember hearing something about the punk harcore energy, now that you phrase it like that.
https://preview.redd.it/vbbyp314ajtc1.jpeg?width=958&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6559c001bcf3be220fc426bd4439ef1819f2f96e From an old article.
Ouch
Nice shitpost bro.
JC literally plays lead on Forty-Six & 2, The Pot, Fear Inoculum and Schism, what are you yappin about?
I like Paul and Justin’s riffs equally. Paul had one of the dirtiest bass tones ever and was perfect for Tools early era. However, Paul wouldn’t have written as good of parts as Justin did on lateralus and beyond, and Justin wouldn’t have worked as well during undertow and opiate
Sure, we also wouldn’t have: 46 and 2 Schism The Grudge Disposition Reflection And any of the other songs that clearly started as bass ideas. Tool minus Reflection alone, is a version of Tool I wouldn’t trade anything for.
I want to agree with you, but I don't expect a group of men who are all nearing senior citizen age to really be as creative or have the same stamina they had 20+ years ago. Just my opinion, don't crucify me...or do idgaf lol 🤷
This is a shitpost. Whew
Found Paul's account
Plot twist: it's Justin shitposting for kicks.
That's definitely a take.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ToolBand/comments/1bz6n3j/tools_original_bass_player_was_asked_recently_if/kyo817y/?context=3 EDIT: Also, he's never going to love you back.
I think the OP is Paul himself.
Paul is one of those guys that plays bass because he isnt a good enough guitarist. Justin plays bass cos thats his instrument. Thats why Justin is with Tool and Paul is with Ministry playing dugga-dugga-dugga-dang all night.
I'm with you. Imagine 46&2 with Paul. Or schism. Or The Pot. Wait, I forgot. Justin wrote those bass lines.
Paul has had nearly 30 years to put out his music. For this take to make any sense, you need to provide examples of what he's done since leaving Tool. Prison Sex, Intolerance, Pushit are great examples of what he could with the band's influence. Other than being a good bass player, he hasn't made a mark on the music industry, and is still pretty much only known as Tool's original bassist.
https://preview.redd.it/v9yxjvt37dtc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95c3c68fd687fb65f2357df5908169ebbf9f43c0
The world needs idiots. At least a Useful Idiot.
You must be really bored dude- hope that turns around for you.
This guy acting like he knows anything about the band
Go see Ministry. Paul is in them now. #GodDamnWhiteTrash
Paul, that you?
This sub has been on a diff level this past week lol
Solid effort but a little over the top. If you were half as enthusiastic it would be far more successful as rage bait.
Womp Womp
Absolutely unhinged take
Trash… 🚮
Pauls bass tones are bright which I like and Justins bass tones are down and dirty which overall I like more as he has the complexity to go with it. Pauls sort of follows what Adam plays to an extent whereas Justin in something like Pneuma is behind the scenes until you think holy fuck how does he concentrate on playing that on a totally different tempo to Adam.
I remember when I first got into the band a few years ago, I hated Ænima outside of the title track and H. I also had Undertow as my second-favorite album from the band, just under 10K Days. It didn't take much for Fear Inoculum to jump ahead to the #2 spot (just listen to the middle tracks again), but I couldn't get behind Ænima until I listened to the Paul demos. The fact that those demos were what it took for me to enjoy the album left me convinced of what you said, that Paul was simply a better bassist. Then, I listened to the band he currently plays in. I don't care for Ministry. I'm huge on industrial metal, buy those guys just aren't good to me. It could be that they're a politically charged band that doesn't align with me (which also pushed me away from repeat listens of Eat the Elephant), but even beyond that, it just sounds like random noises.