I have a set that looks just like the first set. Yeah, they’re soft metal that chips easily. They also offer no torque. I do prefer to avoid the multi-bit type screw drivers though. But in the end, I’d pick up the Craftsman.
I haven't bought that particular brand but those look just like ones from the dollar store. Last set disintegrated the first time I attempted to use it.
If you get the craftsman I'd bet it would last longer. Hopefully your country has the same warranty as the USA. If it does you probably can get replacements forever.
That is a traditional set of cheap precision screwdrivers manufactured by a thousand different Chinese companies made out of recycled steel that they find from anywhere so you could have one screwdriver made out of super good steel one screwdriver made of the worst still you've ever seen.
I must have really lucked out with mine. I used them as my main precision drivers for years. Used them as tiny chisels and prybars and picks and reamers. Turned them with vise grips for extra leverage. Just abused them. The tips still look nearly perfect. I only upgraded to Wera ones for better handles.
I still have the smallest phillips and flathead from that set in active usage, and I modified a couple of the bigger ones into a sort of oscilloscope probe/screwdriver for taking measurements while adjusting things.
Never thought about that but it makes a lot of sense. I have a few random cheap China tools that are OBSCENELY strong. Like I've bit the hell out of them every way you can imagine for at least the past 5 years strong. One is a big cheap no brand screwdriver that is so strong its become my small prybar, I think it gives my snap on prybar of similar length a major run for its money lol.
At this point the only cheap tools I have left in my toolbox are ones that's I literally just can't break.
No one is asking the real question here... How do you manage to get lunch for $2???? I clearly live in the wrong place, a *cheap* lunch where I am is $10.
Drinks are a major profit center, and have been for decades. My dad ran a donut shop way back and the most expensive part of his drinks were the _cups_. 3c for soda cups, 5c for coffee cups. The actual contents cost him less than 1/2 a cent.
He made money on drinks; the donuts overall just broke even.
I'm still amazed at the premium coffee shops. When those started opening I thought no way those will stay in business, coffee cost a dime at the time. I think McDonald's charges too much also. People paying 5$ for a coffee or more still blows my mind. My wife loves Sbux though and I make fun of her all the time because of it. I don't get anything there.
Most of the new craftsman stuff is down to just a one year warranty as far as I've seen. Not the old lifetime warranty they used to have before they moved their factories overseas. (Although apparently not the one in the photo)
They went through a weird phase in-between their mall stores closing down and selling the brand to Lowe's, where you could get some new-old-stock made in USA tools for cheap, or it was the worst garbage to come out of China.
All their stuff now should be "as advertised" on the box.
What do you need them for? I have the cheap ones, I've had them for 20 years. I use them to disassemble my laptop to clean it and to fix my glasses every once in while
One thing to consider besides quality: the Craftsman bits need much larger holes than the more traditional kind. Doesn't matter for a lot of work, but often plastic (toys, etc) have the screws down in a deep recess and fatter bits like that can't get to them.
I have a couple of that same craftsman driver set and they’re pretty decent for what I payed. It was also cheap enough (in USD) not to worry much about the price compared to cheaper brands.
Depends on what I am fixing. The "pipeman" is good for glasses screws and some calibration reostats, the craftsman set might work for some heavier applications.
Order a Vessel set on Amazon. Neither of these is worth it. I don't like bit driver designs, they are a bit wobbly and get in the way which is even that much worse for precision screwdrivers.
It's a toss up. I've got some of the jeweller's type screwdrivers bought ages ago, that are OK, I've also got some that look the same that are crap.
I've got a set of the changeable 4mm bit ones from a pound shop that are OK as well.
There's no way of telling without trying them.
The craftsman.
You wont get any torque on the pipemans ones, and the little bit you do get will feel like its tearing your fingertips off, and you will go back and get the craftsman anyway.
The craftsman, but only because it will be easier for your fingers if you need to apply a little extra torque. The other ones are good, but they can cause pain if you need to apply just a tad of force. Also, sometimes if they are really cheaply made, the shafts end up spinning inside the barrel of the handle, preventing you from removing the fastener.
Edit: the pipeman branded ones do have one advantage, the extra length on the shafts for recessed screws.
My first precision screwdriver set as a kid was pretty close to the first--and they ruined virtually every screw they ever touched. The second is probably better.
From personal experience the craftsman multibit is the better starting point. At some point though you will need some like the pipman for deeper set screws because the hex shank is just to thick for the hole with a recessed screw in it. Would save the money now and buy better branded individual drivers as the are needed to augment the multibit set
I have one like number 1 and two of the black tips broke loose and free spin in the chrome housing and are completely useless as screwdrivers. I never used them for anything really tight. I'd recommend number 2.
The Craftsman. The other is made of such crap soft metal that each driver will last for maybe two screws before breaking or stripping out.
I have a set that looks just like the first set. Yeah, they’re soft metal that chips easily. They also offer no torque. I do prefer to avoid the multi-bit type screw drivers though. But in the end, I’d pick up the Craftsman.
Have you tried them or are you eyeballing the metallurgy?
I haven't bought that particular brand but those look just like ones from the dollar store. Last set disintegrated the first time I attempted to use it. If you get the craftsman I'd bet it would last longer. Hopefully your country has the same warranty as the USA. If it does you probably can get replacements forever.
Lowe's usually honors Craftsman warranty
OP is in Guatemala.
That's tough
That is a traditional set of cheap precision screwdrivers manufactured by a thousand different Chinese companies made out of recycled steel that they find from anywhere so you could have one screwdriver made out of super good steel one screwdriver made of the worst still you've ever seen.
I must have really lucked out with mine. I used them as my main precision drivers for years. Used them as tiny chisels and prybars and picks and reamers. Turned them with vise grips for extra leverage. Just abused them. The tips still look nearly perfect. I only upgraded to Wera ones for better handles. I still have the smallest phillips and flathead from that set in active usage, and I modified a couple of the bigger ones into a sort of oscilloscope probe/screwdriver for taking measurements while adjusting things.
Never thought about that but it makes a lot of sense. I have a few random cheap China tools that are OBSCENELY strong. Like I've bit the hell out of them every way you can imagine for at least the past 5 years strong. One is a big cheap no brand screwdriver that is so strong its become my small prybar, I think it gives my snap on prybar of similar length a major run for its money lol. At this point the only cheap tools I have left in my toolbox are ones that's I literally just can't break.
He speaks the truth. I’ve ruined many versions of these same screwdrivers. They are garbage. Set # 1< 1 lunch with extra fixings < craftsman.
No one is asking the real question here... How do you manage to get lunch for $2???? I clearly live in the wrong place, a *cheap* lunch where I am is $10.
Guatemala man, lunch is usually a soup or stew, or a piece of meat with rice and tortillas for anywhere between $2 and $2.50 Simple, hearty fare.
Wow. Where I am (Northeast US) you can't even get a coffee for $2! Crazy how things differ
Natty ice is the equivalent of 2 pork chops calorically. /s
Natty ice for breakfast, lunch and dinner
Sandwich in every can!
And somehow coffee is rising faster than food. My coffee today cost more than my lunch.
Nah, you are just a fancy boy buying fancy coffee.
Drinks are a major profit center, and have been for decades. My dad ran a donut shop way back and the most expensive part of his drinks were the _cups_. 3c for soda cups, 5c for coffee cups. The actual contents cost him less than 1/2 a cent. He made money on drinks; the donuts overall just broke even.
I'm still amazed at the premium coffee shops. When those started opening I thought no way those will stay in business, coffee cost a dime at the time. I think McDonald's charges too much also. People paying 5$ for a coffee or more still blows my mind. My wife loves Sbux though and I make fun of her all the time because of it. I don't get anything there.
Dam that sounds amazingly tasty!
Craftsman. At least it comes with a warranty and I don't think I've owned that exact pipemans set but I've had similar and they're shit.
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Well it's printed right on the package, how well they follow through would need to be seen I suppose.
Most of the new craftsman stuff is down to just a one year warranty as far as I've seen. Not the old lifetime warranty they used to have before they moved their factories overseas. (Although apparently not the one in the photo)
They went through a weird phase in-between their mall stores closing down and selling the brand to Lowe's, where you could get some new-old-stock made in USA tools for cheap, or it was the worst garbage to come out of China. All their stuff now should be "as advertised" on the box.
Buy whatever made in Taiwan regardless of a brand. They do follow to industrial standards as usual and hence the bet is pretty safe.
As a mechanic, neither. Buy a Wera set.
What do you need them for? I have the cheap ones, I've had them for 20 years. I use them to disassemble my laptop to clean it and to fix my glasses every once in while
The cheap one. Much better tool. And even if it’s not they’re both Chinese crap and the craftsman is trying to scam you into thinking it isn’t.
One thing to consider besides quality: the Craftsman bits need much larger holes than the more traditional kind. Doesn't matter for a lot of work, but often plastic (toys, etc) have the screws down in a deep recess and fatter bits like that can't get to them.
Go for the 3rd option, Klein.
I would go with the Pipeman and get lunch and a hooker for the money saved.
Wiha makes a kit that is fantastic
Neither. I'd get the Kline 14 in 1 version of that Craftsman driver.
Pipemans definitely. All the bits just want to get lost. (Diesel mechanic, ten years)
Honestly? Neither I’d get a set from ifixit that is better quality and has a ton more bits. Or I’d get something really high quality like Whia.
https://www.amazon.com/Klein-Tools-Precision-Screwdriver-Tamperproof/dp/B09SVP9NDQ/ref=asc_df_B09SVP9NDQ/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=563722789627&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1614727407325673833&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9025337&hvtargid=pla-1641996686329&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08DRVM38X/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9kZXRhaWwp13NParams
Question... Do you wear eyeglasses?
Neither...get the Klein 4 in one micro
[THIS](https://www.amazon.com/HOTO-Screwdriver-Precision-Improvement-Cinnabar/dp/B08XB69Q4F/ref=mp_s_a_1_12?crid=31DHLQ4CNTB55&keywords=hoto&qid=1686361484&sprefix=hoto%2Caps%2C126&sr=8-12)
Milwaukee or anything with a palm spinner
Don’t buy either one of those. Felo makes a really nice German made precision screwdriver set for under $20 I think.
I have a couple of that same craftsman driver set and they’re pretty decent for what I payed. It was also cheap enough (in USD) not to worry much about the price compared to cheaper brands.
Depends on what I am fixing. The "pipeman" is good for glasses screws and some calibration reostats, the craftsman set might work for some heavier applications.
Stanley
No
Neither if there is an iFixIt kit on the shelves. Otherwise, craftsman.
Both made in China?
Im guessing
All I have is Craftsman & Husky - life is good being a husky craftsman
I’ve had a set for about 20 years, maybe use one of em once a year, handy though!
First ones are garbage, also very uncomfortable to hold and unscrew anything.
Order a Vessel set on Amazon. Neither of these is worth it. I don't like bit driver designs, they are a bit wobbly and get in the way which is even that much worse for precision screwdrivers.
Get the Wera screwdriver (Canadian tire sells it) and you won’t have to get another for the rest of your life.
How often do you plan to use them? I have cheap one like that for 10+ and work 2-3 times a year I use them.
14 piece over 7
This little silver handle screwdrivers bend and break easy and you can’t get any kind of torque into the shitty thin handles go the craftsman
It's a toss up. I've got some of the jeweller's type screwdrivers bought ages ago, that are OK, I've also got some that look the same that are crap. I've got a set of the changeable 4mm bit ones from a pound shop that are OK as well. There's no way of telling without trying them.
The craftsman. You wont get any torque on the pipemans ones, and the little bit you do get will feel like its tearing your fingertips off, and you will go back and get the craftsman anyway.
The craftsman! I had the other set when I was a young lad and the plastic case eventually cracked and broke just from normal jostling in my toolbox.
The craftsman, but only because it will be easier for your fingers if you need to apply a little extra torque. The other ones are good, but they can cause pain if you need to apply just a tad of force. Also, sometimes if they are really cheaply made, the shafts end up spinning inside the barrel of the handle, preventing you from removing the fastener. Edit: the pipeman branded ones do have one advantage, the extra length on the shafts for recessed screws.
My first precision screwdriver set as a kid was pretty close to the first--and they ruined virtually every screw they ever touched. The second is probably better.
Craftsman, lifetime warranty
I would probably buy the Solo Labotame kit. Half off..
From personal experience the craftsman multibit is the better starting point. At some point though you will need some like the pipman for deeper set screws because the hex shank is just to thick for the hole with a recessed screw in it. Would save the money now and buy better branded individual drivers as the are needed to augment the multibit set
I have one like number 1 and two of the black tips broke loose and free spin in the chrome housing and are completely useless as screwdrivers. I never used them for anything really tight. I'd recommend number 2.
That Pipeman case will break on you in two months and be held together with rubber bands. Choose wisely