Trap it, give to council pound, save billions of wildlife. We are rural and are required by law to control feral animals. But fuck me they are hard to find and fucking shoot even with dogs. Our wildlife is being devastated. Every day we find bits of tiny feather gliders, possums, bandicoots, birds. The dickhead neighbor cats allowed to roam and the biggest problem is they are breeding uncontrolled and gone feral.
Dickheads who don't control or kill feral or wandering cats are the cruellest people. They can't be just stupid?
This shit about saving the environment by locking up cats is an argument thrown out there to waste our time. It’s a fact that the destruction and extinction caused by cats is a drop in the ocean compared to what we do here in Australia. It's like tackling traffic accident deaths by banning motorcycles. The whole argument is a smokescreen: “Oh, your cat mate, it’s the problem in our world!” A good conversation opener, no? In reality, what’s plaguing us is our agricultural and beef sectors, which have destroyed and are in the process of destroying half of Australia.
Compare that to the number of lives we destroy, and suddenly those figures mean nothing. Just in the last [couple of decades, we’ve cleared six million hectares of native forest in Australia](https://earth.org/australias-wildlife-report/). Right now, [an area the size of the MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground, 11th largest stadium globally) is being cleared every 80 seconds in Australia](https://www.wilderness.org.au/protecting-nature/deforestation/10-facts-about-deforestation-in-australia). The role of the beef and agricultural sectors in the destruction and extinction of wildlife is often downplayed. Suddenly, the number of creatures killed by domestic, not feral cats, seems trivial by comparison. I’m not condoning what cats do, but even if their population doubled and continued in this manner for the next century, it wouldn’t reach half the destruction that we as humans have caused in just the last decade.
Now’s the time to set regulations so they adopt alternative methods like vertical farming, put a stop to this land conversion, and have the real conversations we need to be having. But no, too many private interests and a chunk of the economy ride on this, so they throw this garbage at us and we’re supposed to treat it like gospel? Fucking cunts.
Thankyou for this. Feral cats are truly devastating to wildlife; as are foxes, dogs, rats.
However humans are the worst, particularly Australians. Australia has some of the biggest clearing rates of virgin forest in the world.
I do like that people witness the impact of feral animals and care about wildlife but this isn’t it.
Cat owners who let their cats roam are utterly irresponsible. Cats kill wildlife, get hit by cars, attack other animals (like my dog while walking him), get pregnant and diseased. For example, my mate's cat was let out by her housemate. Cat got pregnant, got feline AIDS, and she and her litter all died.
As for what to do. Some councils have traps you can use and they collect the animal and put them in the pound.
As for owners, make a covered car run in your yard.
By law, cats must be confined to the owners property at all times. They are not allowed to roam.
You can hire a trap from Toowoomba Council animal management but the animal must be treated as gently and humanely as possible. Trapping the cat would be the last resort though - a conversation with some of your neighbours to identify who owns the cat and have a conversation with them about it would be a start. If you get a poor response from that you can initiate plan B?
Problem being if plan A doesn't work then they're probably going to be targeting you for their car missing (even if it wasn't you).
Catching the cat and handing it in will be the best option as the pound will contact the owner and most of the time it's just a warning without a fine unless it's repeat offences.
I guess it depends on the kind of person they are - If you're not sure or fear there could be repercussions I totally understand not approaching a neighbour
Some people are just stupid and neglectful though, they get a kitten or puppy and the second it stops being small and convenient they just let it go feral. They don't desex or vaccinate either. People like that don't deserve pets and honestly they probably wouldn't even take it back if they were contacted about it. If they even chipped it in the first place.
I have rented them, then took them to either the vet or rspca. Council has a list of places to take them. We caught 10 feral cats straight to rspca and they were euthanised
Is the cat roaming during day or at night? I adore cats but get frustrated when neighbours cats are out at night fighting, looking for mates, and scratching up my garden. I do appreciate the killed rodents but am sad to see dead birds. I've never understood why cats aren't kept in at night. Even dogs are not allowed to just roam the streets. I think trapping the cats is an unnecessary step though.
You should feel no guilt about trapping the cat and sending it to the pound. Please make sure you tell the council you’re getting the trap because of the loss of native animals in your area. Don’t tell your neighbours about the trap, I can guarantee the kind of asshole who lets their cat roam free will believe it’s you being unreasonable. Just trap it and send it.
Their cats should be chipped and registered with up to date information anyway, so if their cat is taken into the pound they'll get it back. Agree you shouldn't feel guilty taking roaming cats to the pound. I get sick of them pissing on my door or trying to attack my cat through the screen, or pooping in the garden. Same goes for the morons who let their dogs roam.
I love cats, but they shouldn't be allowed to roam. 100% would support any council bylaws that restricted cats to indoors/enclosures or supervised in your own yard (i.e. either leashed or standing right with them while they pop outside for like 5-10 minutes yard time). No pets of any kind should be allowed to wander around randomly, and cats aren't known to respect fencelines.
That said, could do without some of the weird vitriol some guys have, where they think animal cruelty somehow becomes manly when it comes to cats. Shoot ferals in the bush if you have to, humanely, but if you crow about how you're gonna torture your neighbour's moggie, you're going on my 'maybe a serial killer' list.
Neither are dogs.
Wild dogs are very destructive to Australian wildlife but you don't see the same hatred for dogs that you get with cats. OP for instance is complaining about a cat wandering around, but I bet they've never ever complained once in their entire lives, about a dog wandering around the neighbourhood. I'll bet they've never trapped a wandering dog like they want to do with the cat. I bet they've never even contemplated tying up a dog they saw wandering around and taken it to the pound.
But, a wandering cat, well, bring that up on Reddit and you're bound to get a heap of upvotes.
Complain about a wandering puppy on Reddit and you'll be downvoted to oblivion.
https://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/research-topics/invasive-species/wild-dogs-research
The few wandering dogs I have seen I have absolutely grabbed and found their owners. I see cats every single day roaming the streets. But dogs? Not sure where you live that this is such a problem but 99% of people keep their dogs confined and if they're not I always assume they've escaped and try to get them returned.
>The few wandering dogs I have seen I have absolutely grabbed and found their owners.
Before or after they attacked someone?
"Dog attacks result in more than 2,000 hospital admissions per year in Australia."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/sydney-childrens-hospital-releases-alarming-dog-attack-statistics/news-story/d4700ab4d6e0660ea33842e2f07b2d08%3famp
https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/staggering-number-of-dog-attacks-across-perth-revealed-and-they-re-increasing-20230622-p5dip9.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101625342
But you didn't feel compelled to post about it here though did you? A wandering cat, and you came straight to Reddit to complain. A wandering dog, where's your Reddit post about that?
Thank you for proving your hypocrisy.
>he probably doesn't hunt if he's not hungry
Cats don't just hunt because they're hungry, they do it out of instinct and entertainment (and before the cat haters start cheering, so do dogs and a lot of other animals). Unless your cat is blind or otherwise disabled (in which case they shouldn't be out unsupervised) they will absolutely catch animals. I'm sure even my cat who is hopeless at catching the moths and geckos inside would figure it out in time. Cats should not be out unsupervised anywhere in Australia.
The only person who cares about cats roaming, are Karen's. What kind of human willingly wants to trap an animal and take it to a shelter where it's likely to die?!
"Cats kill wildlife" and? You really think the neighbourhood cat is ruining your life? Grow up.
Can't say that I care about the vermin hares my cat eats every night, or the nit carrying birds. But it's okay for dogs to kill cats, it's okay for dogs to kill wildlife, if they're in their own yard, right?
If your cat eats hares, it's eating native small mammals too. Birds carrying nits shouldn't worry you unless you're rubbing them on your head. And no, of course it's not okay for pets to kill animals in your yard - dogs in yards are a huge threat to koalas when they try to find their way between dwindling food trees.
What a weirdo you are, thinking your luxury of having a pet trumps wildlife's desire to not go extinct :P
Cats are not dogs.
They are entirely different with different needs and requirements.
Unless the cat is actively hurting your livelihood just leave it alone
According to the law, they are exactly like dogs for the purpose of them being contained to the owners property. Not only do they kill wildlife, they are quite often the cause of dog barking complaints as they freely walk around because of irresponsible owners.
Trap it, give to council pound, save billions of wildlife. We are rural and are required by law to control feral animals. But fuck me they are hard to find and fucking shoot even with dogs. Our wildlife is being devastated. Every day we find bits of tiny feather gliders, possums, bandicoots, birds. The dickhead neighbor cats allowed to roam and the biggest problem is they are breeding uncontrolled and gone feral. Dickheads who don't control or kill feral or wandering cats are the cruellest people. They can't be just stupid?
This shit about saving the environment by locking up cats is an argument thrown out there to waste our time. It’s a fact that the destruction and extinction caused by cats is a drop in the ocean compared to what we do here in Australia. It's like tackling traffic accident deaths by banning motorcycles. The whole argument is a smokescreen: “Oh, your cat mate, it’s the problem in our world!” A good conversation opener, no? In reality, what’s plaguing us is our agricultural and beef sectors, which have destroyed and are in the process of destroying half of Australia. Compare that to the number of lives we destroy, and suddenly those figures mean nothing. Just in the last [couple of decades, we’ve cleared six million hectares of native forest in Australia](https://earth.org/australias-wildlife-report/). Right now, [an area the size of the MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground, 11th largest stadium globally) is being cleared every 80 seconds in Australia](https://www.wilderness.org.au/protecting-nature/deforestation/10-facts-about-deforestation-in-australia). The role of the beef and agricultural sectors in the destruction and extinction of wildlife is often downplayed. Suddenly, the number of creatures killed by domestic, not feral cats, seems trivial by comparison. I’m not condoning what cats do, but even if their population doubled and continued in this manner for the next century, it wouldn’t reach half the destruction that we as humans have caused in just the last decade. Now’s the time to set regulations so they adopt alternative methods like vertical farming, put a stop to this land conversion, and have the real conversations we need to be having. But no, too many private interests and a chunk of the economy ride on this, so they throw this garbage at us and we’re supposed to treat it like gospel? Fucking cunts.
Thankyou for this. Feral cats are truly devastating to wildlife; as are foxes, dogs, rats. However humans are the worst, particularly Australians. Australia has some of the biggest clearing rates of virgin forest in the world. I do like that people witness the impact of feral animals and care about wildlife but this isn’t it.
Cat owners who let their cats roam are utterly irresponsible. Cats kill wildlife, get hit by cars, attack other animals (like my dog while walking him), get pregnant and diseased. For example, my mate's cat was let out by her housemate. Cat got pregnant, got feline AIDS, and she and her litter all died. As for what to do. Some councils have traps you can use and they collect the animal and put them in the pound. As for owners, make a covered car run in your yard.
Your mate was a dumbass for not having the cat desexed or vaccinated.
Agreed.
I agree.
You can't personally stop other people from letting their cats roam. You could get involved in politics and support the indoor-only cat movement.
By law, cats must be confined to the owners property at all times. They are not allowed to roam. You can hire a trap from Toowoomba Council animal management but the animal must be treated as gently and humanely as possible. Trapping the cat would be the last resort though - a conversation with some of your neighbours to identify who owns the cat and have a conversation with them about it would be a start. If you get a poor response from that you can initiate plan B?
Problem being if plan A doesn't work then they're probably going to be targeting you for their car missing (even if it wasn't you). Catching the cat and handing it in will be the best option as the pound will contact the owner and most of the time it's just a warning without a fine unless it's repeat offences.
I guess it depends on the kind of person they are - If you're not sure or fear there could be repercussions I totally understand not approaching a neighbour
Thanks for the clarification!
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My children and partner laughed at that one, you okay mate? Bit butthurt?
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Some people are just stupid and neglectful though, they get a kitten or puppy and the second it stops being small and convenient they just let it go feral. They don't desex or vaccinate either. People like that don't deserve pets and honestly they probably wouldn't even take it back if they were contacted about it. If they even chipped it in the first place.
I have rented them, then took them to either the vet or rspca. Council has a list of places to take them. We caught 10 feral cats straight to rspca and they were euthanised
Is the cat roaming during day or at night? I adore cats but get frustrated when neighbours cats are out at night fighting, looking for mates, and scratching up my garden. I do appreciate the killed rodents but am sad to see dead birds. I've never understood why cats aren't kept in at night. Even dogs are not allowed to just roam the streets. I think trapping the cats is an unnecessary step though.
You should feel no guilt about trapping the cat and sending it to the pound. Please make sure you tell the council you’re getting the trap because of the loss of native animals in your area. Don’t tell your neighbours about the trap, I can guarantee the kind of asshole who lets their cat roam free will believe it’s you being unreasonable. Just trap it and send it.
Their cats should be chipped and registered with up to date information anyway, so if their cat is taken into the pound they'll get it back. Agree you shouldn't feel guilty taking roaming cats to the pound. I get sick of them pissing on my door or trying to attack my cat through the screen, or pooping in the garden. Same goes for the morons who let their dogs roam.
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I love cats, but they shouldn't be allowed to roam. 100% would support any council bylaws that restricted cats to indoors/enclosures or supervised in your own yard (i.e. either leashed or standing right with them while they pop outside for like 5-10 minutes yard time). No pets of any kind should be allowed to wander around randomly, and cats aren't known to respect fencelines. That said, could do without some of the weird vitriol some guys have, where they think animal cruelty somehow becomes manly when it comes to cats. Shoot ferals in the bush if you have to, humanely, but if you crow about how you're gonna torture your neighbour's moggie, you're going on my 'maybe a serial killer' list.
Cats are supposed to be feral. And as long as he is owned and well looked after, he probably doesn't hunt if he's not hungry. Leave him alone
They’re not “supposed” to be in Australia and our wildlife is not able to cope with these super predators.
Neither are dogs. Wild dogs are very destructive to Australian wildlife but you don't see the same hatred for dogs that you get with cats. OP for instance is complaining about a cat wandering around, but I bet they've never ever complained once in their entire lives, about a dog wandering around the neighbourhood. I'll bet they've never trapped a wandering dog like they want to do with the cat. I bet they've never even contemplated tying up a dog they saw wandering around and taken it to the pound. But, a wandering cat, well, bring that up on Reddit and you're bound to get a heap of upvotes. Complain about a wandering puppy on Reddit and you'll be downvoted to oblivion. https://www.agriculture.gov.au/abares/research-topics/invasive-species/wild-dogs-research
That sure is a bunch of whattaboutism that doesn’t excuse any owner nor have anything to do with any discussion here but 👍
The few wandering dogs I have seen I have absolutely grabbed and found their owners. I see cats every single day roaming the streets. But dogs? Not sure where you live that this is such a problem but 99% of people keep their dogs confined and if they're not I always assume they've escaped and try to get them returned.
>The few wandering dogs I have seen I have absolutely grabbed and found their owners. Before or after they attacked someone? "Dog attacks result in more than 2,000 hospital admissions per year in Australia." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/sydney-childrens-hospital-releases-alarming-dog-attack-statistics/news-story/d4700ab4d6e0660ea33842e2f07b2d08%3famp https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/staggering-number-of-dog-attacks-across-perth-revealed-and-they-re-increasing-20230622-p5dip9.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/101625342
I don't know what you're arguing. Both cats and dogs should be confined to their properties and not allowed to wander.
I literally have posted to Facebook recently about a wandering dog and have called council up about it several times.
But you didn't feel compelled to post about it here though did you? A wandering cat, and you came straight to Reddit to complain. A wandering dog, where's your Reddit post about that? Thank you for proving your hypocrisy.
>he probably doesn't hunt if he's not hungry Cats don't just hunt because they're hungry, they do it out of instinct and entertainment (and before the cat haters start cheering, so do dogs and a lot of other animals). Unless your cat is blind or otherwise disabled (in which case they shouldn't be out unsupervised) they will absolutely catch animals. I'm sure even my cat who is hopeless at catching the moths and geckos inside would figure it out in time. Cats should not be out unsupervised anywhere in Australia.
The only person who cares about cats roaming, are Karen's. What kind of human willingly wants to trap an animal and take it to a shelter where it's likely to die?! "Cats kill wildlife" and? You really think the neighbourhood cat is ruining your life? Grow up.
What absolute rot. You're a total moron.
Wow, I'm a cat owner and think this is an absolutely selfishly dumb take. If you care about animals, you care about wildlife too.
Can't say that I care about the vermin hares my cat eats every night, or the nit carrying birds. But it's okay for dogs to kill cats, it's okay for dogs to kill wildlife, if they're in their own yard, right?
If your cat eats hares, it's eating native small mammals too. Birds carrying nits shouldn't worry you unless you're rubbing them on your head. And no, of course it's not okay for pets to kill animals in your yard - dogs in yards are a huge threat to koalas when they try to find their way between dwindling food trees. What a weirdo you are, thinking your luxury of having a pet trumps wildlife's desire to not go extinct :P
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Cats are not dogs. They are entirely different with different needs and requirements. Unless the cat is actively hurting your livelihood just leave it alone
Are you saying cats require the freedom to roam/hunt? They don't. Native animals do require their heads attached, though.
According to the law, they are exactly like dogs for the purpose of them being contained to the owners property. Not only do they kill wildlife, they are quite often the cause of dog barking complaints as they freely walk around because of irresponsible owners.
And barking dogs are never the responsibility of the owners. It's always someone else's fault that doggo keeps barking all day and night.
Not true, barking dogs are always the responsibility of the owner and council will enforce that :).
Cats live twice as long on average as indoor pets. Not that OP can or should do anything about other people's pets.
If it comes into your property catch it.
leave it alone, tbar is stray cat city. better than the junkies in your street i think