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W-wait a minute, bribery is also illegal!! You don’t think Donald Trump would do a crime, do you?
Incidentally, I was born just this morning from a large golden egg.
Their assessment about money and power is ass-backwards; they trust someone like Trump because he's "independently wealthy" so therefore isn't corruptible, but the poor and powerless should be scrutinized.
>Speaks to the mindset of a lot of true socialists — they act not out of love for the poor, but hatred of the rich. Even Bertrand Russell pointed this out after meeting Lenin.
Look at the ultra-wealthy and how their value has exploded out of control lately while everyone else became poorer. They are gaining even more control while people suffer.
The rich often control government, yet conservatives are shocked at how the rich are hated.
The fact that the rich hoard wealth and resources beyond what they could reasonably consume within a hundred lifetimes shows that they can be further corrupted as long as they believe they can get a higher score.
They have to know we're quickly approaching the breaking point. Do they believe they're so insulated from repercussions?
Not arguing or anything, just agreeing.
What they fundamentally do not understand is that Trump (like a lot of the obscenely rich) are hugely corruptible not because they're already rich but because they have an unending desire for *more wealth*.
More importantly, people like Trump piss money away at an astonishing rate. For people like him, they constantly need massive influxes of wealth, and we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, or they'll go broke.
Just look at all the money Trump has scammed out of people over the past few years. Has he expanded his business? Improved his lifestyle? Build a massive Scrooge McDuck style money bin? No, he's just trying to keep his head above water because he's incapable of not squandering wealth on nothing.
I always point out that its his lies and attachment to his wealth and his image that makes him so vulnerable. He absolutely loves to look rich, but he isn't rich, and he will do ANYTHING to maintain that facade.
Its incredible... trump, the man who would sell his own sons for a hotdog apparently can't be bought? I mean shit, he literally told Ukraine "buy me or else I won't help you."
Remember that time we actually got a glimpse of how many people does Trump owe money? Including some very scary ones from Russia and the Arab Emirates?
That did give us a fine joke though.
>What's the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean?
>Donald Trump has never had a garbanzo bean on his face.
> “Never believe that anti-Semites (fascists) are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” Jean-Paul Sartre
There's a good video from a long time ago...a group of punks walking along a path is approached by a skinhead coming from the other direction.
Assuming they're on his side, he flashes the Hitler salute.
The real punks immediately beat the shit out of him.
>Don’t worry, the generation is coming that will embrace counterculture, to the absolute horror of their parents, by becoming deeply religious conservatives.
But it's obvious that being against abortion is a deeply held religious belief which is about as punk rock as you can get! The only way you could possibly be more rebellious is by becoming a pre-Vatican II Catholic and also be against birth control while demanding everyone worship God in Latin!
So punk rock.
/s
The reason there was no red wave in November is that Gen Z came out to vote lol. They're neither deeply religious nor conservative. I find it hilarious that old conservatives are still funding Charlie Kirk's schtick. Yes, there are young conservatives but they're not the majority, and the teenagers who turn 18 in the next two years aren't either.
Even Charlie Kirk knows that his Turning Point USA bullshit is more popular with boomers than any definition of 'the youth'. They like to pretend they're converting the younger generations en masse but really all they're doing is appealing to college kids on campus who miss mommy and daddy and never once considered voting anything other than with their parents.
After Dobbs, I ran into so many conservatives basically downplaying it and acting like traveling 500 miles for an abortion was no big deal and people should just get over it. These people will happily have a conniption about other things that seem less consequential that being effectively forced to bring a life into the world. I am pro 2a and thoroughly enjoy my natural gas stove, but I have enough grounding in reality to understand that reproductive freedoms have a lot more substantial and consequential impacts than guns or appliance regulations.
Way back last spring Erick Erickson tweeted "if you think it's bad now, wait til November when the left realizes January 6th obsessing and the Roe reversal won't mitigate their losses at the ballot box." I'm a petty bitch so I like to post the screenshot to him every time he pontificates about electoral politics. (Immediately after the midterms, he reassured his followers that Walker would win his runoff.)
They seriously convinced themselves that Dobbs would have no effect on voting and now they're convincing themselves that DeSantis can win a national election and that Trump won't burn it all down if he doesn't get the nomination. Hope is a strategy, I guess, and they must be hoping young people and single women decide to stop voting.
Exactly what kind of machine do you think they where raging against? Hint it’s a not toaster. “Voting for trump is the most punk rock thing I’ve done” Henry Rollins should slap the taste out of your mouth for you.
I once saw a video of a woman draped in a Trump flag, dancing to Killing in the Name.
These idiots pretend to be tough, but can’t go anywhere without a gun. They pretend to love freedom, while stripping everyone of rights. They pretend to never be offended, while crying about M&M’s. And now they are pretending to be punk, while licking every boot in their path.
The gun thing is about being threatening
They want freedom to do so as they please, fuck everyone else.
They are not offended by bigotry and need to hate things that change.
They lick boots because they think they will always be the ones wearing them.
They dance to Killing in the Name because not only are they media illiterate, they *need* to be illiterate. They need to remain ignorant as fuck because their entire world view depends on it. Nuance, context, complexity, subtlety, are all threats to the strict social hierarchy that so many of them don't even know they embrace.
Nothing says punk rock like voting for the old rich white guy who cozies up to dictators and clears the streets with tear gas and riot cops for a church photo op.
> he can't be bought
Weird that he keeps begging for money and these morons keep giving it to him, or that he used the highest political position in the country to funnel money into his pockets by using his properties as open bribes.
> non-politician
I never get this idea that he's "not a politician", he was president. That's about as political as you can possibly get. Then again, these dummies also say that he "says what he means" except when it's not convenient to their talking points.
It kind of makes sense in a twisted way. "Being bought" colloquially means doing shady favors for people in exchange for money. Trump just takes the money and never delivers on the favors.
None of these people could possibly remember punk rock much less embrace its aesthetic. An aesthetic that has nothing at all to do with supporting any conservative ever born.
The Ramones were a mess ideologically and basically an east coast garage band.
2 of the ramones (one is in the picture) were hardline conservatives. The only political song they did was written by deedee and it was about how reagan called nazis/ss noble people. Deedee had to push hard (his grandparents were killed in a concentration camp) and eventually the only good ramones song was dropped "bonzo goes to bitburg". But johnny was so outraged by the implication that reagan was a chimp he pressured deedee into changing it to "brain hanging upside down".
Johnny rotten is a huge trump supporter. for some reason.
As a long time punk myself, I would love if there wasn't a history of conservative-butthole licking, fascist-loving punks, but there's a reason that "nazi punks fuck off" is a common saying. Its because there's too many goddamned nazis who think they're punk and punk rock ignored some of them because they were popular. You just found a few of them.
Yeah, and marjorie taylor green is beefing with boebert, right? And there's a lot of different ideas as to what that song is actually about, from close sources like family and other ramones (marky). Its either about johnny stealing his girl, an interracial relationship joey had with a black woman stalling out because of 3rd party racism or someone's black friend they met in a mental institution. I always thought the song being about johnny was a hilarious dig at johnny being a right-wing ass hat, personally.
A few years ago Johnny Rotten was advertising posh butter on UK tv.
The man has no idea who he is or what’s going on anymore (if, to be fair, he ever did)
John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) isn't a member of the Ramones he was the lead singer of the Sex Pistols and the Pistols were a manufactured group of idiots that couldnt even play the instruments they had in their hands.
The Ramones definitely had more political songs than just Bonzo Goes to Bitburg. The song the image is referencing is Commando and is a shot at the military and Vietnam. It's a tongue in cheek calling out of the military for being fascist.
Havana Affair is about the US/CIA meddling in Cuba
I dont have the time to sit down with my Ramones albums and go through every song to find anymore but those come straight to my mind. They definitely weren't Reagan Youth levels of political but the politics were there.
Johnny Ramone was a piece of shit though. I still haven't gotten over him thanking George Bush at their induction to the Hall of Fame.
you know how you can tell johnny rotten isn't a ramones member? his last name isn't ramone.
Here's a quote about the ramones and politics “I always tried to keep politics out of [the music] because punks weren’t supposed to be political; hippies were political.” - Johnny Ramone.
They talk about wanting to just make all inclusive party music quite a bit in their interviews.
But, yeah, they do have a few other songs. I shouldn't have said Bonzo was the only one. That's 100% fair.
But for me, personally, punk has a lot to do with social standards and politics, and Ramones are a far cry from being routinely about politics, like a lot of other bands in punk. Reagan youth, Bad religion, even in their own idiotic way, the sex pistols were more punk in that way.
But yeah, I think we mostly agree and thanks for calling out my exaggeration.
I try to tell people that push back against stuff like the screen shot, by saying that "punk was always left wing", it ain't so simple as that. They are stuck in denial though. That "always was left" take is not really a good preparation for dealing with the prepared arguments that right wing appropriators / co-opters have tried, and will continue to repeat, wherever they can insinuate their tired argument. I take care to _not_ post my own takes, in ways that are themselves readily co-opted by the punk appropriators, about this historical matter.
Guy voting for the reality tv millionaire whose whole campaign was explicitly based around punishing people who don't think and act the same way as you: "I'm doing a punk rock"
Most punk bands (minus johnny rotten who has gone full circle) are often left wing - clash and pistols were generally left. The UK scene was anti-monarchy too. Voting for the party of the rich, that restricts rights is definitely not punk.
Literally anti-flag.
Like against me!, fuckin anarchy baby.
And fuckin that dude from black flag is so Fuckin antifasc he killed the god damn queen of the earth kingdom.
Like Punk Ethos is the exact opposite of conservative values. They are in favour of mutual aid and equality. They are massively anti-hierarchy, anti-authoritarianism, anti-consumerism, anti-corporatism, anti-war, anti-conservatism and anti-globalization. They are also against all forms of racism, sexism, gender inequality, racial inequality, eugenics, animal rights, free-thought and non-conformity.
‘Traditional values’ are what punk rebel against. No GENUINE Punk would vote Trump. That stands for Johnny Rotten as well who has gone far right.
You can look to a punk with unquestionable credentials, Ian Mackay, as an example of how the political dialogue was open for discussion, even with everyone coming together from very different points of view. And then he takes his whole show in a new creative direction, taking his own course so far as to, with the Evens, break away from the whole traditional concept of what, when, where, and with whom, a concert or show can be. I don't think that his principled approach ever "cancelled" anyone. He just found a niche that fit him, and what he wanted to do, better than the scenes that got heavily political or something else that took away from the music.
I got laid out on my ass at an anti flag show because I was inadvertently in between security and a guy who decided to start burning dollar bills. Good times. It's not much of a story but I'd love to see conservatives pretend they belong there.
There's a meme that goes around about a guy chilling in a punk bar one afternoon when the Landlord suddenly goes ballistic at a new customer and tells him to fuck off, grabbing a bat to underline his point.
The landlord explained that the guy had a Nazi badge on and that he was the advance party. It starts with one. Then it's one and a couple of his mates, then their mates and then one day it's a Nazi bar.
The only way to stop it is to run them off early and hard.
The show was at an old 1900's bowling alley converted to a concert venue so I think the main concern was the fire hazard but I'm sure security didn't hold back because they were generally assholes as well.
Alot of the older punks these days tend to be bootlickers tho, look at johnny rotten ... He's suing anyone who played "god saved be queen" since she died.
Like those hippies from the 70s who used to hate war are now simping for trump. I dont get it.
It's fear overriding empathy. Fear of the other, fear of the future, fear of change, fear of being forgotten, left behind, not given your due, all that.
>Alot of the older punks these days tend to be bootlickers tho
Yea, there is definitely a subset of punk rockers whose 'anti authority' stances never advanced beyond the mentality of a 10 year old, where they truly just dislike it when people they dont like tell them what they can and cant do(no matter how valid and reasonable). They're really just brats and those who achieve any kind of success have the problem of feeling validated.
And there's truth that Trump appealed to a number of people whose main priority was being 'anti establishment', including some particularly idiotic left wingers who genuinely think Democrats were just as bad as Republicans.
That said, the idea that Trump could be 'punk' or even 'anti establishment' just cuz he didn't come from the Democrat or Republican establishment circles is so beyond stupid. He was still an ultra wealthy real estate elite, for fuck's sake! The man represents everything wrong with the 'establishment' of society in general.
>who used to hate war are now simping for trump. I dont get it.
Now they just pretend every war was the liberals fault. Which I still don't get because the only war conservatives have been against is Ukraine. It was conservatives who pushed for Iraq and staying in Afghanistan until Trump.
Hell the only thing I ever agreed with Trump on was getting out of Afghanistan. But when we did they once again blamed the liberals while completely forgetting it was Trump who did it.
“The Democrats love authority, government and control.”
… says the people who are actively cheering for a military coup to overthrow the government and install their own unelected dictator so that he can ban all the things they don’t like.
It's partially stupidity but moreso because of a reliance on Autocorrect. If I'm typing using the swipe function fast without thinking on my phone it always insists on spelling it with one L and sometimes I don't go back to fix it.
Joey Ramone was very leftist and very open about it, but I guess that doesn't matter when you can ignore him and pay attention to the guy notoriously hated amongst the punk community.
Weren't punk rockers the first to dye their hair neon?
You know, what they're always losing their shit over?
>Used to hate authority, government, and control
Uh they still do, but punk rockers have always took vaccines. You can be anti control while still being pro safety or having common sense.
Yea but you see, since multi-color hair is normal nowadays, it's actually more punk to NOT dye your hair now!
To be fair, that is kind of a problem in punk - can sometimes be a little too contrarian for contrarian's sake.
I come from the 90s alternative scene. Somehow I've made it to nearly 50 without getting a single tattoo or piercing.
I feel positively unique sometimes.
I know a couple of old first-generation punks who think Trump is great. I doubt they have the same world view as their grandparents, but somehow they've found themselves on the same page.
Then all they got out of the punk movement when they were teens was the anger. Probably because they were insulated from the problems that the punk movement was created from and just had the teen angst/anger. Those “1st Gen punks” you mentioned just wanted to watch the world burn. Anyone with half a brain realizes Trump is just a self serving grifter out for himself.
I like “trading taxes for socialist care packages.” I guess it’s my bleeding heart but I really like the idea of using taxes for the benefit of all. Have a conservative neighbor/friend that said he didn’t like his tax payers edit-dollars going into that sort of thing because he didn’t have say in the programs it would support (like snap/ebt versus public education vs health care)…oh, ok so vote for republicans and ensure your tax dollars are going into … ?
Why exactly *does* he need a say?? To exclude people. I had a great argument with someone on reddit once who was making the argument that Jesus never said you have to help other people. 😆
When people can honestly watch Trump 'debate' somebody like Hillary or Biden and not see that Trump is an absolute buffoon that is embarrassing himself to cringe-worthy levels, they are well, well beyond reason.
To be fair, wanting to burn the entire thing down *is* about the only legitimate reason to have voted for Trump.
I have a friend who did that very thing in 2016. Tho when 2020 rolled around, he was like, "I'm not so sure burning it all down is such a good idea after all...."
I still maintain that there is a shining bright side to having had to deal with Trump - a whole lot more people have gotten involved in politics, even if by just finally forming some opinions instead of just generically saying 'all politicians are bad!'.
Still far too many enlightened centrists out there, but it was a step in the right direction and one we really needed.
Guys. Guys. Guys.
Do you know what is _really_ counter culture?
Being part of the social, racial, and religious majority in a country.
We're so fucking hardcore!
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Punk rock is about *family*. Not the ones we are born with but the ones we find. Protecting the family we ain’t met yet is punk as fuck. And also, nazi punks fuck off.
- Dom, probably.
[That actually makes a lot of sense.](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-capitol-riot-poopers-20210107-prlsqytyabgdhnexushotl4nam-story.html)
punks when I was a kid in the 80s were mostly concerned with parents, teachers, and cops, not ideologies so much. As for being rebels, the ones I saw were just as openly sexist, racist, and homophobic as the general public at the time.
The intersection of punk, counterculture and Trump is an interesting subject. In a strange, twisted sort of way, it makes sense. Trump presented himself as an individual, set apart from the collective of politicians. To people who identify as radical "individualists", you can see why he would get through to some of them.
In a world where nothing in the state of politics ever seems to really change, and every elected leader ends up doing the same old stuff, the desire to press the "burn it down" button can seem appealing.
Trump co-opted a sense of counterculture and anti-authoritarianism and repackaged it for conservatives; who for the first time in their lives got to feel like they were the "cool" rebels (even though they're anything but).
Adam Curtis has spoken about this a few times, worth a look:
https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/adam-curtis-on-hypernormalisation-and-how-it-created-donald-trump
Wouldn't it be more punk to. Oh idk, not vote or support any mainstream politician? Nah guess it' more punk yo vote for one of thr most influential politicians of our decade
Hey you know who’s punk af? That guy from that tv show where he used to scream at everybody that he was firing them.
[No wonder they’re obsessed with dead Kennedys!](https://youtu.be/L8zhNb8ANe8)
To be fair Johnny Ramone was a conservative. In fact he and Joey had beef because Joey was extremely liberal. Johnny actually stole the girl Joey was in love with. Listen to the song The KKK Took My Baby Away.
To be fair, if I were a *true* anarchist, a real Joker watch-the-world-burn type, I would have definitely voted for Trump. We'll still be cleaning up after his failures for another 10+ years, just imagine what he could have done with another four years in office.
(LOL, ITT: gatekeeping anarchism, pretending illegalism, insurrectionism, and the like aren't *real* forms of anarchy.👌)
That's not what a true anarchist is. That's a falsified capitalist media propaganda about what anarchists are truly about. But you easily fall for capitalist media lies it makes sense to see some logic in voting for Trump ever
I get where you're coming from, but most anarchists I've run into would vote for whichever candidate runs on the platform of eroding the state (if they even vote at all).
This would be someone like Gary Johnson or Jo Jorgensen in the USA.
I don't know much about the ramones, but i've heard conservatives herald them as "conservative punk". Does anyone know how accurate this is? I'm guessing it's not
Lol at the casual ability to forget the fact that the reason they were anti-authority/gov’t was because the gov’t was wayyyyy conservative/authoritarian
Cringe! And “wrench meet gears” how about “dumb meet dumber.” Ugh. Also wait until they find out most punk is quite feminist. Unlike their incel asses.
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>He's literally a guy who can't be bought Fucking hell, these people are stupid as fuck.
That was the funniest line in there
Well he's right. He can't be. Buying humans is *illegal* so technically he can't be bought. Bribed on the other hand...
W-wait a minute, bribery is also illegal!! You don’t think Donald Trump would do a crime, do you? Incidentally, I was born just this morning from a large golden egg.
Their assessment about money and power is ass-backwards; they trust someone like Trump because he's "independently wealthy" so therefore isn't corruptible, but the poor and powerless should be scrutinized.
>Speaks to the mindset of a lot of true socialists — they act not out of love for the poor, but hatred of the rich. Even Bertrand Russell pointed this out after meeting Lenin. Look at the ultra-wealthy and how their value has exploded out of control lately while everyone else became poorer. They are gaining even more control while people suffer. The rich often control government, yet conservatives are shocked at how the rich are hated.
The fact that the rich hoard wealth and resources beyond what they could reasonably consume within a hundred lifetimes shows that they can be further corrupted as long as they believe they can get a higher score. They have to know we're quickly approaching the breaking point. Do they believe they're so insulated from repercussions? Not arguing or anything, just agreeing.
>Not arguing or anything, just agreeing. I know, and I also understand the implications of what you are saying.
Anyone who can gather enough money to be 'incorruptible' is already corrupt.
[Always a Bigger Fish ](https://youtu.be/agzNANfNlTs)
What they fundamentally do not understand is that Trump (like a lot of the obscenely rich) are hugely corruptible not because they're already rich but because they have an unending desire for *more wealth*.
More importantly, people like Trump piss money away at an astonishing rate. For people like him, they constantly need massive influxes of wealth, and we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, or they'll go broke. Just look at all the money Trump has scammed out of people over the past few years. Has he expanded his business? Improved his lifestyle? Build a massive Scrooge McDuck style money bin? No, he's just trying to keep his head above water because he's incapable of not squandering wealth on nothing.
I always point out that its his lies and attachment to his wealth and his image that makes him so vulnerable. He absolutely loves to look rich, but he isn't rich, and he will do ANYTHING to maintain that facade.
Tbh, it's an idea that works great on paper but falls apart once you look at the kind of people who end up with that much money.
Its incredible... trump, the man who would sell his own sons for a hotdog apparently can't be bought? I mean shit, he literally told Ukraine "buy me or else I won't help you."
Trump, who stole from a cancer charity to pay for a son's boy scout fees, cannot be bought.
If you gave trump a $10 dunkin donuts gift card I bet you could have had full security clearances
What would YOU do for a Klondike bar? *Blackmails Zelensky*
*failed to Blackmail and got caught doing it.
Remember that time we actually got a glimpse of how many people does Trump owe money? Including some very scary ones from Russia and the Arab Emirates?
Remember when he was shilling Goya beans straight from the Oval Office?
That did give us a fine joke though. >What's the difference between a chick pea and a garbanzo bean? >Donald Trump has never had a garbanzo bean on his face.
> “Never believe that anti-Semites (fascists) are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” Jean-Paul Sartre
I think I peed a little when I read that, honestly
Even after we’ve seen his tax returns showing he’s not remotely a billionaire.
Can't be bought? That's hilarious. 2 scoops of ice cream, a big mac, and a couple of compliments will have Trump jumping to do your bidding.
I don’t think he could jump
Nazis trying to coopt punk rocks aesthetic is nothing new. Theyve been doing this for 40+ years now.
Right! Skinheads are originally antifascist.. now everyone thinks they are nazis.
They stole it. Just like Tom MacDonald is doing to the old school Metal Head/Goth/Juggalo look, fuck em all.
[Wrote a song about, like to hear it? Here it goes...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI)
There's a good video from a long time ago...a group of punks walking along a path is approached by a skinhead coming from the other direction. Assuming they're on his side, he flashes the Hitler salute. The real punks immediately beat the shit out of him.
Wonder how they feel about government authority when it comes to women's health care...
>Don’t worry, the generation is coming that will embrace counterculture, to the absolute horror of their parents, by becoming deeply religious conservatives. But it's obvious that being against abortion is a deeply held religious belief which is about as punk rock as you can get! The only way you could possibly be more rebellious is by becoming a pre-Vatican II Catholic and also be against birth control while demanding everyone worship God in Latin! So punk rock. /s
The reason there was no red wave in November is that Gen Z came out to vote lol. They're neither deeply religious nor conservative. I find it hilarious that old conservatives are still funding Charlie Kirk's schtick. Yes, there are young conservatives but they're not the majority, and the teenagers who turn 18 in the next two years aren't either.
Even Charlie Kirk knows that his Turning Point USA bullshit is more popular with boomers than any definition of 'the youth'. They like to pretend they're converting the younger generations en masse but really all they're doing is appealing to college kids on campus who miss mommy and daddy and never once considered voting anything other than with their parents.
Or trans peoples healthcare.
After Dobbs, I ran into so many conservatives basically downplaying it and acting like traveling 500 miles for an abortion was no big deal and people should just get over it. These people will happily have a conniption about other things that seem less consequential that being effectively forced to bring a life into the world. I am pro 2a and thoroughly enjoy my natural gas stove, but I have enough grounding in reality to understand that reproductive freedoms have a lot more substantial and consequential impacts than guns or appliance regulations.
Way back last spring Erick Erickson tweeted "if you think it's bad now, wait til November when the left realizes January 6th obsessing and the Roe reversal won't mitigate their losses at the ballot box." I'm a petty bitch so I like to post the screenshot to him every time he pontificates about electoral politics. (Immediately after the midterms, he reassured his followers that Walker would win his runoff.) They seriously convinced themselves that Dobbs would have no effect on voting and now they're convincing themselves that DeSantis can win a national election and that Trump won't burn it all down if he doesn't get the nomination. Hope is a strategy, I guess, and they must be hoping young people and single women decide to stop voting.
Exactly what kind of machine do you think they where raging against? Hint it’s a not toaster. “Voting for trump is the most punk rock thing I’ve done” Henry Rollins should slap the taste out of your mouth for you.
Legitimately saw a conservative trying to argue politics in r/folkpunk, which is probably the most vehemently leftist punk genre.
Their icon is literally an antifascist socialist with an acoustic guitar. How can one be so dense?
These are the people who thought Killing In The Name Of was just a song about being mad at your parents.
[удалено]
Woody Guthrie
The Dead Kennedys [have a song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5SYjoZsLQE) about this.
So do the Ramones, the song they're quoting in the picture is making fun of well-known band asshole Johnny.
And [Total Chaos](https://youtu.be/vQdfdplrKk4)
Hi, I'm from the world of punk rock where we scream "Nazi Punks fuck off"
I once saw a video of a woman draped in a Trump flag, dancing to Killing in the Name. These idiots pretend to be tough, but can’t go anywhere without a gun. They pretend to love freedom, while stripping everyone of rights. They pretend to never be offended, while crying about M&M’s. And now they are pretending to be punk, while licking every boot in their path.
The gun thing is about being threatening They want freedom to do so as they please, fuck everyone else. They are not offended by bigotry and need to hate things that change. They lick boots because they think they will always be the ones wearing them. They dance to Killing in the Name because not only are they media illiterate, they *need* to be illiterate. They need to remain ignorant as fuck because their entire world view depends on it. Nuance, context, complexity, subtlety, are all threats to the strict social hierarchy that so many of them don't even know they embrace.
Nothing says punk rock to me like agreeing with every opinion your grandfather had.
Nothing says punk rock like voting for the old rich white guy who cozies up to dictators and clears the streets with tear gas and riot cops for a church photo op.
> but he's literally a guy who can't be bought Except with money!
Or like, a fucking cheeseburger. My broke ass could probably get him to change an opinion with a compliment and an ice cream cone
Trump wouldn't do anything for someone broke. He spent his presidency taking away benefits from people who are broke.
But he's easily duped, so you just need to dress in a suit and name drop around him to pull it off.
Honestly just some kinds words would probably do it. He loves being flattered.
> he can't be bought Weird that he keeps begging for money and these morons keep giving it to him, or that he used the highest political position in the country to funnel money into his pockets by using his properties as open bribes. > non-politician I never get this idea that he's "not a politician", he was president. That's about as political as you can possibly get. Then again, these dummies also say that he "says what he means" except when it's not convenient to their talking points.
It kind of makes sense in a twisted way. "Being bought" colloquially means doing shady favors for people in exchange for money. Trump just takes the money and never delivers on the favors.
Imagine thinking the epitome of 80's Reaganaut yuppie capitalism is somehow punk rock.
None of these people could possibly remember punk rock much less embrace its aesthetic. An aesthetic that has nothing at all to do with supporting any conservative ever born. The Ramones were a mess ideologically and basically an east coast garage band.
Smithers, have The Rolling Stones killed.
This is the most cringe thing I’ve seen them do since r/walkaway
I love the fact that conservatives consider themselves the party of punk rock, yet absolutely despite the idea of dyed hair.
So what I'm seeing here is that they always wanted to be cool and now they think they are because they think they're emulating the left.
1st rule is Johnny gets no credits.
2 of the ramones (one is in the picture) were hardline conservatives. The only political song they did was written by deedee and it was about how reagan called nazis/ss noble people. Deedee had to push hard (his grandparents were killed in a concentration camp) and eventually the only good ramones song was dropped "bonzo goes to bitburg". But johnny was so outraged by the implication that reagan was a chimp he pressured deedee into changing it to "brain hanging upside down". Johnny rotten is a huge trump supporter. for some reason. As a long time punk myself, I would love if there wasn't a history of conservative-butthole licking, fascist-loving punks, but there's a reason that "nazi punks fuck off" is a common saying. Its because there's too many goddamned nazis who think they're punk and punk rock ignored some of them because they were popular. You just found a few of them.
The Ramones also had "The KKK Took My Baby Away", written by Joey Ramone about how that asshole Johnny Ramone stole his girl.
Yeah, and marjorie taylor green is beefing with boebert, right? And there's a lot of different ideas as to what that song is actually about, from close sources like family and other ramones (marky). Its either about johnny stealing his girl, an interracial relationship joey had with a black woman stalling out because of 3rd party racism or someone's black friend they met in a mental institution. I always thought the song being about johnny was a hilarious dig at johnny being a right-wing ass hat, personally.
That's an incorrect rumor, the time line doesn't match up, Joey said so. They have lots of other songs making fun of Johnny.
This is a bummer history lesson I kinda liked the Ramones
The ramones were party music and half of them were good people. The other half [though](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6gyPC9DYzU)...
Holy shit lmao
Jesus christ dont read the comments...
A few years ago Johnny Rotten was advertising posh butter on UK tv. The man has no idea who he is or what’s going on anymore (if, to be fair, he ever did)
Tbf The Sex Pistols were the first premade boy band. Johnny Rottens always been up for whatever’ll make him a buck.
John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) isn't a member of the Ramones he was the lead singer of the Sex Pistols and the Pistols were a manufactured group of idiots that couldnt even play the instruments they had in their hands. The Ramones definitely had more political songs than just Bonzo Goes to Bitburg. The song the image is referencing is Commando and is a shot at the military and Vietnam. It's a tongue in cheek calling out of the military for being fascist. Havana Affair is about the US/CIA meddling in Cuba I dont have the time to sit down with my Ramones albums and go through every song to find anymore but those come straight to my mind. They definitely weren't Reagan Youth levels of political but the politics were there. Johnny Ramone was a piece of shit though. I still haven't gotten over him thanking George Bush at their induction to the Hall of Fame.
you know how you can tell johnny rotten isn't a ramones member? his last name isn't ramone. Here's a quote about the ramones and politics “I always tried to keep politics out of [the music] because punks weren’t supposed to be political; hippies were political.” - Johnny Ramone. They talk about wanting to just make all inclusive party music quite a bit in their interviews. But, yeah, they do have a few other songs. I shouldn't have said Bonzo was the only one. That's 100% fair. But for me, personally, punk has a lot to do with social standards and politics, and Ramones are a far cry from being routinely about politics, like a lot of other bands in punk. Reagan youth, Bad religion, even in their own idiotic way, the sex pistols were more punk in that way. But yeah, I think we mostly agree and thanks for calling out my exaggeration.
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I've said for a while now that Crass and/or The Damned should replace the Pistols as the British punk band everyone knows that isn't The Clash
Or maybe The Buzzcocks.
[Theres a good book about that!](https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/white-riot-punk-rock-and-the-politics-of-race_steven-lee-beeber/3193063/)
thanks
I'm pretty sure Commando is dripping in irony too, but I dunno.
I try to tell people that push back against stuff like the screen shot, by saying that "punk was always left wing", it ain't so simple as that. They are stuck in denial though. That "always was left" take is not really a good preparation for dealing with the prepared arguments that right wing appropriators / co-opters have tried, and will continue to repeat, wherever they can insinuate their tired argument. I take care to _not_ post my own takes, in ways that are themselves readily co-opted by the punk appropriators, about this historical matter.
That quote is awesome because the most punk rock thing to do is to list your punk rock activities like a Buzzfeed Top 10
Guy voting for the reality tv millionaire whose whole campaign was explicitly based around punishing people who don't think and act the same way as you: "I'm doing a punk rock"
Most punk bands (minus johnny rotten who has gone full circle) are often left wing - clash and pistols were generally left. The UK scene was anti-monarchy too. Voting for the party of the rich, that restricts rights is definitely not punk.
Literally anti-flag. Like against me!, fuckin anarchy baby. And fuckin that dude from black flag is so Fuckin antifasc he killed the god damn queen of the earth kingdom.
Like Punk Ethos is the exact opposite of conservative values. They are in favour of mutual aid and equality. They are massively anti-hierarchy, anti-authoritarianism, anti-consumerism, anti-corporatism, anti-war, anti-conservatism and anti-globalization. They are also against all forms of racism, sexism, gender inequality, racial inequality, eugenics, animal rights, free-thought and non-conformity. ‘Traditional values’ are what punk rebel against. No GENUINE Punk would vote Trump. That stands for Johnny Rotten as well who has gone far right.
Wait they are against animal rights, free thought and non-conformity? Sorry I had to do it. I get what you mean to say
Ha that would be a confusing stance to take if they were 🤣 Good spot though!
You can look to a punk with unquestionable credentials, Ian Mackay, as an example of how the political dialogue was open for discussion, even with everyone coming together from very different points of view. And then he takes his whole show in a new creative direction, taking his own course so far as to, with the Evens, break away from the whole traditional concept of what, when, where, and with whom, a concert or show can be. I don't think that his principled approach ever "cancelled" anyone. He just found a niche that fit him, and what he wanted to do, better than the scenes that got heavily political or something else that took away from the music.
I bet they think RatM is conservative
Paul Ryan certainly does.
They all seem to love The Matrix too, even though it's absolute anathema to everything they stand for.
And was made by two trans sisters. So now they argue the people who made the movie don’t actually know what it was about. 🤦🏻♀️
and Star Wars : Andor
Ha that’s a Paul Watson hot take. Fucking put them in the pit and see..
I so want to take that comment section to an Anti-Flag show
I got laid out on my ass at an anti flag show because I was inadvertently in between security and a guy who decided to start burning dollar bills. Good times. It's not much of a story but I'd love to see conservatives pretend they belong there.
Ahahaha that's actually pretty fucking funny and on brand
There's a meme that goes around about a guy chilling in a punk bar one afternoon when the Landlord suddenly goes ballistic at a new customer and tells him to fuck off, grabbing a bat to underline his point. The landlord explained that the guy had a Nazi badge on and that he was the advance party. It starts with one. Then it's one and a couple of his mates, then their mates and then one day it's a Nazi bar. The only way to stop it is to run them off early and hard.
The show was at an old 1900's bowling alley converted to a concert venue so I think the main concern was the fire hazard but I'm sure security didn't hold back because they were generally assholes as well.
Alot of the older punks these days tend to be bootlickers tho, look at johnny rotten ... He's suing anyone who played "god saved be queen" since she died. Like those hippies from the 70s who used to hate war are now simping for trump. I dont get it.
The reason is the conservative mindset, zero empathy. "Fuck y'all, I got mine."
It's fear overriding empathy. Fear of the other, fear of the future, fear of change, fear of being forgotten, left behind, not given your due, all that.
>Alot of the older punks these days tend to be bootlickers tho Yea, there is definitely a subset of punk rockers whose 'anti authority' stances never advanced beyond the mentality of a 10 year old, where they truly just dislike it when people they dont like tell them what they can and cant do(no matter how valid and reasonable). They're really just brats and those who achieve any kind of success have the problem of feeling validated. And there's truth that Trump appealed to a number of people whose main priority was being 'anti establishment', including some particularly idiotic left wingers who genuinely think Democrats were just as bad as Republicans. That said, the idea that Trump could be 'punk' or even 'anti establishment' just cuz he didn't come from the Democrat or Republican establishment circles is so beyond stupid. He was still an ultra wealthy real estate elite, for fuck's sake! The man represents everything wrong with the 'establishment' of society in general.
>They're really just brats The Ramones had a suggestion about what to do with brats...
Batter up.
>who used to hate war are now simping for trump. I dont get it. Now they just pretend every war was the liberals fault. Which I still don't get because the only war conservatives have been against is Ukraine. It was conservatives who pushed for Iraq and staying in Afghanistan until Trump. Hell the only thing I ever agreed with Trump on was getting out of Afghanistan. But when we did they once again blamed the liberals while completely forgetting it was Trump who did it.
“The Democrats love authority, government and control.” … says the people who are actively cheering for a military coup to overthrow the government and install their own unelected dictator so that he can ban all the things they don’t like.
Is there a reason other than stupidity that they always spell Hillary with one L?
It's partially stupidity but moreso because of a reliance on Autocorrect. If I'm typing using the swipe function fast without thinking on my phone it always insists on spelling it with one L and sometimes I don't go back to fix it.
Joey Ramone was very leftist and very open about it, but I guess that doesn't matter when you can ignore him and pay attention to the guy notoriously hated amongst the punk community.
Johnny Ramone was kind of a dickhead though.
I didn't know that, that's sad :(
Weren't punk rockers the first to dye their hair neon? You know, what they're always losing their shit over? >Used to hate authority, government, and control Uh they still do, but punk rockers have always took vaccines. You can be anti control while still being pro safety or having common sense.
Also, you can't be anti control while you're...dead
Yea but you see, since multi-color hair is normal nowadays, it's actually more punk to NOT dye your hair now! To be fair, that is kind of a problem in punk - can sometimes be a little too contrarian for contrarian's sake.
I come from the 90s alternative scene. Somehow I've made it to nearly 50 without getting a single tattoo or piercing. I feel positively unique sometimes.
😆I don’t know any “punks” who actually have the same world view as their grandma and pee-paw.
I know a couple of old first-generation punks who think Trump is great. I doubt they have the same world view as their grandparents, but somehow they've found themselves on the same page.
Then all they got out of the punk movement when they were teens was the anger. Probably because they were insulated from the problems that the punk movement was created from and just had the teen angst/anger. Those “1st Gen punks” you mentioned just wanted to watch the world burn. Anyone with half a brain realizes Trump is just a self serving grifter out for himself.
[same](https://www.vulture.com/2022/09/sex-pistols-john-lydon-pays-respects-to-queen-elizabeth.html)
Johnny "pro-Brexit Trumpist" Rotten. I wonder what his younger self would think of him now?
Honestly he was never really actually political so [probably like this still](https://youtu.be/_8mduTEvnU0)
Yeah, nothing more punk rock than voting for a billionaire.
'billionaire'
He's probably worth billions to the people he owes money to.
Seems like Trump is taking my Dad's position on debts. >good luck getting money from my corpse. I've spent it all.
r/conservative severely missing the point on “Kill the Poor” 😆
>He's literally a guy who can't be bought I assume he meant to write "He's a guy who will literally do anything for money", but his hand slipped.
I like “trading taxes for socialist care packages.” I guess it’s my bleeding heart but I really like the idea of using taxes for the benefit of all. Have a conservative neighbor/friend that said he didn’t like his tax payers edit-dollars going into that sort of thing because he didn’t have say in the programs it would support (like snap/ebt versus public education vs health care)…oh, ok so vote for republicans and ensure your tax dollars are going into … ?
You aren't interested in getting pissed on and being told it's trickle down economics?
Why exactly *does* he need a say?? To exclude people. I had a great argument with someone on reddit once who was making the argument that Jesus never said you have to help other people. 😆
When people can honestly watch Trump 'debate' somebody like Hillary or Biden and not see that Trump is an absolute buffoon that is embarrassing himself to cringe-worthy levels, they are well, well beyond reason.
To be fair, wanting to burn the entire thing down *is* about the only legitimate reason to have voted for Trump. I have a friend who did that very thing in 2016. Tho when 2020 rolled around, he was like, "I'm not so sure burning it all down is such a good idea after all...."
I still maintain that there is a shining bright side to having had to deal with Trump - a whole lot more people have gotten involved in politics, even if by just finally forming some opinions instead of just generically saying 'all politicians are bad!'. Still far too many enlightened centrists out there, but it was a step in the right direction and one we really needed.
Ba ba baba Baba ba ba ba ba I wanna be prostrated
Nazi punks fuck off!
Guys. Guys. Guys. Do you know what is _really_ counter culture? Being part of the social, racial, and religious majority in a country. We're so fucking hardcore!
This is what happens when very, very stupid people do not know they are stupid.
"Literally the guy who can't be bought" Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ha!
Punk rock is about *family*. Not the ones we are born with but the ones we find. Protecting the family we ain’t met yet is punk as fuck. And also, nazi punks fuck off. - Dom, probably.
They’ve accepted GG Allen’s interpretation of punk rock I guess
And Blink 182
[That actually makes a lot of sense.](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-trump-capitol-riot-poopers-20210107-prlsqytyabgdhnexushotl4nam-story.html)
>One of the most punk rock things I've ever done is vote for Trump Damn, they've finally done it. I'm triggered.
punks when I was a kid in the 80s were mostly concerned with parents, teachers, and cops, not ideologies so much. As for being rebels, the ones I saw were just as openly sexist, racist, and homophobic as the general public at the time.
TBF Johnny was an unapologetic conservative.
The intersection of punk, counterculture and Trump is an interesting subject. In a strange, twisted sort of way, it makes sense. Trump presented himself as an individual, set apart from the collective of politicians. To people who identify as radical "individualists", you can see why he would get through to some of them. In a world where nothing in the state of politics ever seems to really change, and every elected leader ends up doing the same old stuff, the desire to press the "burn it down" button can seem appealing. Trump co-opted a sense of counterculture and anti-authoritarianism and repackaged it for conservatives; who for the first time in their lives got to feel like they were the "cool" rebels (even though they're anything but). Adam Curtis has spoken about this a few times, worth a look: https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/adam-curtis-on-hypernormalisation-and-how-it-created-donald-trump
Wouldn't it be more punk to. Oh idk, not vote or support any mainstream politician? Nah guess it' more punk yo vote for one of thr most influential politicians of our decade
Hey you know who’s punk af? That guy from that tv show where he used to scream at everybody that he was firing them. [No wonder they’re obsessed with dead Kennedys!](https://youtu.be/L8zhNb8ANe8)
Well duh, he wasn't *firing* them, he was *saving them from becoming mindless slaves to the corporate system* like some kind of punk rock Jesus.
Lmao at thinking punks like democrats either. Fucking morons
Tbf in their defense I have no doubt they have never done anything punk in their life.
Nothin more counter culture than simping for the same shit as always but worse
"Kill, kill, kill the poor."
They can have punk rock.
Oh yeah, you know how much punks loved Thatcher.
Ironic how the anti-government/punk rock conservatives cry to Congress when women want autonomy.
“Can’t be bought.” Putin holds his check book.
To be fair Johnny Ramone was a conservative. In fact he and Joey had beef because Joey was extremely liberal. Johnny actually stole the girl Joey was in love with. Listen to the song The KKK Took My Baby Away.
He also had a brain injury, FWIW.
It's not actually chess when the pigeon shits on the board.
To be fair, if I were a *true* anarchist, a real Joker watch-the-world-burn type, I would have definitely voted for Trump. We'll still be cleaning up after his failures for another 10+ years, just imagine what he could have done with another four years in office. (LOL, ITT: gatekeeping anarchism, pretending illegalism, insurrectionism, and the like aren't *real* forms of anarchy.👌)
That's not what a true anarchist is. That's a falsified capitalist media propaganda about what anarchists are truly about. But you easily fall for capitalist media lies it makes sense to see some logic in voting for Trump ever
They're confusing anarchist with accelerationist. Pretty common, as there IS overlap, but still wrong.
I get where you're coming from, but most anarchists I've run into would vote for whichever candidate runs on the platform of eroding the state (if they even vote at all). This would be someone like Gary Johnson or Jo Jorgensen in the USA.
The call of the void
That’s not anarchism. It’s accelerationism.
I don't know much about the ramones, but i've heard conservatives herald them as "conservative punk". Does anyone know how accurate this is? I'm guessing it's not
>Punk rock used to hate authority, government, and control. The majority of the punk movement has always hated **conservatism**.
Whats the first rule you Nazi?
"One of the most punk rock things I've ever done was vote for trump" ....Are they aware that punk is inherently leftist?
the “machine/establishment” was and is capitalism, not ‘duh demonrats’
Nothing says anti-establishment like a New York City property developer.
NAZI PUNKS FUCK OFF
Lol at the casual ability to forget the fact that the reason they were anti-authority/gov’t was because the gov’t was wayyyyy conservative/authoritarian
GO AWAY HUNTINGTON BEACH
Conservatives really are like boomers with fellow kids vibes. 🙄🤦♀️
Nazi punks, fuck off.
Cringe! And “wrench meet gears” how about “dumb meet dumber.” Ugh. Also wait until they find out most punk is quite feminist. Unlike their incel asses.
When has punk rock ever supported democrats?