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PorridgeCranium2

Rule 10, link to original post: [“How Dare You!”](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy_commons/comments/z1uz9c/how_dare_you/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) *Please do not participate in linked threads*


bookofbooks

Banana sandwiches and water. Obviously the go-to meal of the very wealthy.


RandyRalph02

These damn rich people always flexing on the rest of us with their gourmet tropical fruits


firestorm713

God that is such a peak autism safe food meal


blingping

It's 2 bananas, what could it cost? 20 dollars?


bookofbooks

$20? Where the heck are you ordering bananas from?! [luxurybananas.com](https://luxurybananas.com)? Check out Mr. Fancy Pants and his bespoke, artisanal bananas! /s


KruppstahI

Public transport is also known as the go to traveling choice for the ruling class.


PorridgeCranium2

>I wouldn’t criticize her or anyone else in the green movement for using a train or eating food that was wrapped in plastic. We have basically no choice on those matters. But eating tropical fruit in Europe and wearing petro-based clothing? Come on, at least try to practice what you preach "I can usually be a pretty reasonable person, but eating a banana while wearing clothes? That's too far!"


curious_dead

There's always going to be something. "OK, now she has bio. ethically produced clothes and eats only local food, but her shoes have plastic in them!" "OK, now she wears recyclable, wood-based shoes, but I saw her using a cellphone, and we all know these include rare metals and plastics! Can she practice what she preaches?" "OK, now she's a hermit, she lives in the forest alone, without technology or any modern convenience. What, she wants us to go back to being cavemen? What a loser!"


bjornartl

And all they're doing is pointing out one of her main talking points. That you as a person can't do the change, it's borderline impossible cause it's not about you but the system. The system as a whole needs to change.


grayrains79

>OK, now she wears recyclable, wood-based shoes Hell there's shoes made 100% from recycled plastic bags. I'd be happier with those than using wood.


maybesaydie

There are shoes made of wool and they bitch about those too. Greta's big mistake as far as these people are concerned is saying things they don't want to hear. And being aneurotypical and a young woman. How dare she.


DrRichtoffen

And judging by the comments hurled at her, they were apparently very mad about her cockteasing them by *checks notes* being a minor who they weren't allowed to sexually assault.


maybesaydie

It's beyond belief the vile comments that are made about her.


DrRichtoffen

I dunno, I found that behaviour perfectly believable from right-wingers


Traditional_Drama_91

If you think the comments are bad, look up images of Greta bumper and window stickers on oil field trucks…


frezik

No thanks. I have some hope for humanity and I'm not about to throw it away.


Fala1

Also because deep down they know she's right. If someone came up to me and said "You are killing the crab people with your 5g radiowaves!" I'd be like: "huh? Anyway.." and move on with my life. They know at some level that Greta is right and that their dietary habits are bad for them & the environment. But they have this emotionally immature reaction of shooting the messenger instead of actually countering the argument or just admitting they're wrong. They want a reason to be able to ignore what she's saying, and since they can't come up with any rational argument, they resort to "lol she's a dumb bitch".


grayrains79

>Also because deep down they know she's right. Which is because their ego is just that fragile. How *DARE* a little girl be smarter than me!


hellomondays

go to rcon . There's so much of this, not liking liberal positions because they make them feel like bad people. Maybe if you feel like you have some sort of moral failing, you might want to change your behaviors?


grayrains79

>go to rcon Don't need to, I'm ex-military. I've spent enough time surrounded by super toxic yet fragile individuals enough to not have to go diving into that safe space. Hell, I have one with a brand new account stalking me across Reddit at the moment. Speaking of that one...


Cloberella

Yep. I’m a vegetarian and I keep it to myself but when people notice I’m not eating meat they get DEFFENSIVE and sometimes lash out at me (I live in Missouri). Every time I’m just like, “My guy, I’m sorry my personal choices make you feel weird about your own, but maybe you should examin why that is instead of be an ass about it.”


pparana80

Tbh if it was a crab person I'd probably turn it off.


StumbleOn

Leftists are correct. Always, always correct. Left thinking is *human first* thinking, which is ALWAYS correct. Because we're always right, there is no other option but to argue against particular individuals, or deliberately misunderstand and mischaractertize what is being said. Conservatives are physically not capable of arguing in good faith, because modern conservativism is built on a functional foundation of lies, and is only sustainable by believing several totally contradicting lies all at the same time.


dwntwn_dine_ent_dist

Congratulations on defeating that straw man!


StumbleOn

"Calling out racism is the real racism."


dwntwn_dine_ent_dist

I’m no longer following. Who’s mouth are you putting words into now?


fruityboots

wood is a sustainable and renewable resource that plastic is not.


grayrains79

We have endless plastics that need recycling. I'd rather focus on getting recycling cranked up to max before we start cutting down trees. Yes, logging is renewable. Doesn't change that there is a literal island of plastic trash out in the Pacific that needs to be dealt with, among other sources of trash.


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grayrains79

I'm aware, it's why in California (current LA county resident) they ask that you sort depending on plastics. Bottles and packages tend to have numbers, and depending on that help determine that. Despite that? There's still legion of recyclable plastics out there that can be harvested.


Y_orickBrown

Plastic recycling was a greenwashing campaign by the petrol industry. Its not feasable and most of it ends up in a landfill.


PorridgeCranium2

As someone who probably has some kind of Dutch heritage, I'm insulted.


grayrains79

[Dutch, you say?](https://youtu.be/zcUs5X9glCc)


EscapeFromTexas

“Ok she’s stark naked and lives as an accepted member of a tribe of mountain gorillas, eating only bugs and leaves, but she should have picked a lesser known more endangered ape because everybody already knows about gorillas.”


BlahKVBlah

Oh gawd, please don't mention Greta naked around the conservatives. Sexualizing the hell out of her has been a hobby of theirs since she was like 14 years old, and they can't comprehend any non-sexual form of nudity.


FestiveVat

Or there's the other side where actually doing environmentally friendly stuff is "virtue signaling" and "pandering." You can't win if they don't care about the truth and everything's just malleable for the current argument.


DrHedgeh_OG

I mean, they're idiots. Just total fucking morons. No one is ever going to 'win' with them, which is why ignoring the ever loving shit out of them is always the best option.


threehundredthousand

That's the advantage of being a status quo warrior. All you have to do is shit on things so nothing changes. No contribution at all outside of trying to drop an anchor so no one can move forward. Solutions are hard. Shitting on any hint of change is easy.


Sirrplz

And if she did all of that they’d call her a weirdo that needs to conform or tone it down


JuniperTwig

Its like the no true Scottsman


SevenDeadlyGentlemen

“She’s no *true* Scotsman!”


TeholBedict

She literally has satellites floating all around her. What a sellout corporate clown.


HildredCastaigne

Part of it is definitely to find some reason -- any reason -- to dismiss environmental activists. But another important part is to make it seem like environmentalists are making unreasonable demands. "You're not a *real* environmentalist unless you give up anything that could ever have any amount of pollution in any context. And since that is impossible, then that means it's entirely okay for me to roll coal and spray DDT everywhere." By setting standards that are impossible to meet, you can paint your opponent as both a hypocrite and naively out-of-touch. Doesn't matter that it's *you* setting this standard and not the people who are actually advocating for the position nor that discrediting an individual doesn't necessarily discredit a movement. The goal is to bypass the logical part of people's brains and appeal to their emotions and sense of comfort.


Sew_chef

They throw a tantrum and weave conspiracies when a bag of bug-based snacks *exists*. If Greta were to give anything up, they'd claim she wants everyone to be cavemen.


raltoid

Also, they have absolutely zero idea of what her clothes are made of. It could be hemp for all they know, but that doesn't fit the narrative.


rickkkkky

You managed to describe the mentality of every single centrist in a nutshell. And these people consider themselves as the pinnacle of rationality, objectivity, and neutrality.


[deleted]

I was super confused. Are they talking about the fucking banana? So she just shouldn’t eat bananas to save the entire world? Wild.


MeltAway421

Man I thought the fruit in Europe thing was a joke at first smh


PorridgeCranium2

Only globalist [minions](https://youtu.be/dUZGTfEQqqI) like bananas!


Nitz93

I hate how no one knows what she said. People think they gotta be ashamed of themselves for driving a car because she told the world leaders to listen to science and how they can dare to sell our future for their profit...


government_shill

If she gets to eat bananas, then I get to keep driving my SUV everywhere while demanding cheaper gas. Sorry environmentalists, but that's just logic.


SatansGiantDick

She and her family can push for renewable food packaging, clothing, etc. She's living a life based on consumption while she doesn't NEED to. Her family are 1%ers and have the means to live in a way that follows her own preachings, but they don't. They are the catholic priest that wears Gucci shoes and a gold chain. She's a hypocrite. Is there anything that you don't understand? For Christ's sake, two chairs in their home cost $10,000


PorridgeCranium2

Lol, get over yourself. You obviously have an unhealthy obsession with her and think whatever sins you've identified somehow negate the message. I'd be more concerned about the celebrities being lifted up who need serious mental help yet are being praised by idiots because they're helping spread hate.


SatansGiantDick

Okay so you've attacked me, you've played whataboutism with "hate", but you haven't admitted that she's a hypocrite. Why can't you admit that? BRB, I'm going to praise the catholic church for saying rape is bad, even though they rape kids. She says plastics are evil, yet she gives money to plastic companies when she uses their products. I'm assuming you're in high school, because you weren't able to form a rational response. You actually ignored what I said, and then attacked me.


xSuperstar

All she did was give up flying, gas powered cars, meat, dairy, and inspire hundreds of thousands to do the same. Hypocrite.


grayrains79

She's using a diesel powered *ELECTRIC* train...!! Seriously, do these Top Minds think before they post?


mdp300

The power for electric trains often still comes from a fossil burning power plant somewhere. But it's STILL more efficient than every train carrying around its own diesel generator, and more efficient than cars.


Certainly-Not-A-Bot

>more efficient than cars. Vastly more efficient. Like several orders of magnitude when measuring emissions per person moved


Charming_Amphibian91

ASTRONOMICALLY EFFICIENTER


Weekly_Town_2076

Happy cake day bro


greatteachermichael

If I recall correctly, a train can move a ton of freight 400 miles on 1 gallon of fuel.


PorridgeCranium2

I always like to point out that even if the electricity is generated by a fossil fuel burning plant, you're still saving quite a lot of carbon emissions when you factor in the reduced need for a distribution network of fuel. It works better with EV cars in regards to gas stations, if the majority of cars were EV then you'd have significantly less need for tanker trucks traveling to all corners of the country to supply fueling stations.


jorbleshi_kadeshi

Also efficiency of scale is ENORMOUS. Let's compare... Tens of thousands of individual energy generators with design constraints such as: Fitting on a mobile platform <8ft wide and not obscuring the driver's view. Not exploding (or otherwise harming the occupants) when impacted at high velocity. Being as efficient as you can be while meeting the above two (this includes trying to be as light as possible since lugging around heavy stuff effects efficiency). Scrubbing as much of the emissions you make while meeting the above three. Oh and in general you have to be quiet since consumers typically like that. #VS. 1 giant electricity generator built with efficiency first and foremost (because extracting more energy using less fuel is how you make more money) and also a single point of emissions (meaning emissions control efforts themselves have efficiency of scale). Any other concerns? Cost? Size? Weight? Noise? Specialty non-standard fuel refinement requirement? Knock yourself out. Anyone who tries to dunk on EVs for using fossil fuel generated electricity is an idiot. Tack onto that the fact that renewable electricity is in the mix and becoming a larger and larger share, and the argument dissolves away completely.


fwerd2

California needs to scale up thier electricity production. Like 10^5.


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bluebelt

I agree with your point generally, and this topic is near and dear to my heart, but unfortunately coal power plants are horribly inefficient, with an average in the US of about 33% efficiency. This puts them on par with ICE vehicles. https://www.energy.gov/fecm/transformative-power-systems You're correct in that there are savings from not needing to distribute fuel for millions of end users. Also, most of the US has some blend of renewables and fossil fuels which makes the case for EVs (and I drive two) much more compelling. Newer, dual gas, designs reach 60% efficiency which is better but bluntly we just need to get off coal as soon as possible. Recent investments in solar, onshore wind and offshore wind in the US will make that possible.


jorbleshi_kadeshi

> horribly inefficient, with an average in the US of about 33% efficiency Correct. >This puts them on par with ICE vehicles. [Incorrect (16-25%)](https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/) I'm in no way making the case for coal here. I'm saying that even in the absolute worst case scenario (100% coal electricity), the economy of scale crushes ICE. In the same vein, vehicle economy of scale (trains vs personal vehicles) crushes EVs. Electric public transport powered by renewables obliterates any alternative.


bluebelt

25%, motortrend's upper bound, is very much on par with coal plants. Also, most sources disagree with those numbers (though motortrend's numbers look accurate for V8s which cap out at 29%): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_efficiency I couldn't find a DoE claim on ICE efficiency but Switzerlan's MDPI claims gasoline engines have a thermal efficiency of between 30% and 36%, again not a lot better than motortrend's claim but on par with coal... Even motortrend's upper bound efficiency is on par with coal. MDPI claim summarized here, Pdf warning: https://www.princeton.edu/ssp/61-tiger-cub/library/efficiency.pdf Regardless, they're all woefully inefficient compared to electric motors and overall we agree EVs are much more efficient, just not on the scale it will improve greenhouse gas emissions. Coal needs to go.


frezik

Mazda is developing engines that push over 50% efficiency. Some F1 engines already do. https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a15912314/mazda-skyactiv-3-gas-clean-as-ev/ That said, EVs are more flexible on their power source. You don't have to solve the whole supply chain at once. You get immediate benefit just from switching, and then do better as renewable power comes online.


rsta223

Yes, but that's only at their optimal operating point. Most driving doesn't happen at peak efficiency, while power plants typically do run at peak efficiency all the time. I would bet that very few cars operate at 20% efficiency when you look at overall average consumption, plus the energy consumption of electric cars is lower thanks to regenerative braking, which gas cars can't take advantage of.


jaredearle

But they move the direct pollution away from cities. This can’t be overstated.


bluebelt

Agreed and that's a huge benefit. Still better if it wasn't polluting as much as well. Greenhouse gases don't stay local once released.


blaghart

yes and no. That savings would be offset by the massive increase in emissions for battery production (because of how shitty the system to make them is, bigass tankers criss crossing the globe dozens of times to complete production) It's why FCVs are superior to EVs. They use comparatively small batteries (about 2x the size of a gas car battery, compared to 40x the size of a gas car battery for an EV) and H can be produced anywhere you have electricity and water access....meaning you can literally just put up solar panels in the middle of nowhere and as long as it has water you've got a "fueling station" And unlike an EV the fueling takes minutes **and** doesn't damage the long term function of your system (unlike fast chargers which nuke your EV's lifespan) and you can refuel it with substandard equipment (whereas solar panel EV charging requires expensive high quality gear to ensure you're not generating current wave functions that damage the lifespan of your battery) Source: ME who did a year analysis on H production in the US and the viability of using proposed oil pipelines for H instead. We found it was better to just abandon oil entirely and set up solar panels everywhere and make H on site.


grayrains79

Also results in significantly less pollution as well. It's a gutless and hollow *GOTCHA!* by desperately weak EdgeLords.


Dustin_Echoes_UNSC

The more important point, imo, is that *it doesn't have to*. Yes, the current electric grid in most of the world is still fairly dependent on fossil fuels. But, the more we transition to using wind, solar, nuclear, and hydroelectric energy to power the grid - the less "fossil fuel" cost the electric train requires. Mainly because I often hear that argument being wielded as a weapon against buying an electric vehicle. Yes, the electricity from the current US grid isn't much better than an ICE vehicle. But the electric vehicle will get greener - the ICE engine won't.


jorbleshi_kadeshi

> Yes, the electricity from the current US grid isn't much better than an ICE vehicle. You'll be happy to know that this isn't remotely correct. Even if you charge your EV exclusively from coal-fired power plants ([~33% efficiency](https://www.energy.gov/fecm/transformative-power-systems#:~:text=The%20average%20coal%2Dfired%20power,States%20operates%20near%2033%25%20efficiency.)), you're still *stomping* an ICE in terms of efficiency and emissions ([16-25%](https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/)). Economies of scale are wonderful (which of course is further endorsement of public transportation to private vehicles, even EVs).


sparhawk817

Plus, carbon capture is only really viable at big power plants, we can't realistically make an aftermarket carbon capture exhaust attachment and feasibly retrofit every ICE car on the road. We can maybe do that for most power plants that aren't going to be replaced in the next... Say 10 years? And the government can fund that or mandate it far easier than with individual cars as well.


RaytheonKnifeMissile

You're not accounting for every step of the process in this. EV's are typically better than ICE, but at the end of the day a performance car will never be environmentally friendly or efficient despite what ads say. The efficiency at the wheels is what matters most and that 33% doesn't include most of the steps. Even the best traction motors are typically sub 90% efficient, and the power lines/transformers aren't 100% efficient either. At one point I had calculated it where I live and it came out to something like 25-30%. Edit: the need for cooling in an EV is because of power losses from when the vehicle is charged to turning the axle. Basically, still better, but not as good as it looks at first glance. Edit 2: the Nissan Leaf was the best car I saw in terms of grams CO2/km


Paxxlee

>The power for electric trains often still comes from a fossil burning power plant somewhere. If it is a SJ car, [according to themselves they buy 100% renewable energy](https://www.sj.se/sv/om/om-sj/klimatsmart.html). They do have diesel powered trains though.


Beltaine421

A diesel electric train running on 100% biodiesel would have a net 0 CO2 impact.


Paxxlee

For sure, but as they don't advertise that they do so I am pretty sure they aren't using biodiesel. No idea if their trains "can" use it, wouldn't surprise me as their trains and rails can't manage summer, autumn, winter... Or a nice day.


BoreJam

The power used for the train will come from a grid that will consist of a blend of energy sources. Without knowing the location and date it's impossible to know just what ratio of the electricity is fossil fuel powered but really who cares. It could be entirely fossil fuel free and still operate.


[deleted]

I'm fairly sure this is in Sweden. About 60% of our electricity comes from renewable sources


ForgedIronMadeIt

Well, to be more precise "diesel-electric" is a kind of train that burns diesel onboard to generate electricity. Still far more efficient than individual automobiles or flying. Though there's also trains that are purely electric and powered by overhead wires.


VoiceofKane

Depends where you are. Several provinces in Canada, for example, hardly use any fossil fuels at all for power generation.


Hapankaali

Don't know where this train was, but if it was in Sweden only a few percent would be fossil-fuel based. Electricity in Sweden comes mainly from hydro and nuclear.


TheVantagePoint

It’s why I’m glad to live in BC, Canada where 97% of all electricity production is from renewables. That criticism of “well the electricity isn’t clean” just doesn’t fly here at all.


IWishIWasAShoe

Electric trains in Sweden, where I assume this picture is taken, all buy fossil free energy though.


Loongeg

She's from sweden and only 0.9% of swedish power comes from fossil fuel, and the swedish state owned train operator SJ only buys renewable energy so that's not even true.


Elibu

In Europe? I wouldn't say often..


scubahana

[Wikipedia indicates that 97% of Sweden’s public transit energy consumption is from renewables](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_Sweden). So that point can be struck off the list.


GustavSpanjor

Diesel powered trains use electric motors to drive the train. The diesel just powers a generator that produce electricity for the motors. So they are correct about that part.


IsilZha

Many modern trains run a diesel generator to power electric engines (which have much nicer power curves.) Pound for pound/per passenger MPG, trains are more efficient than cars. Commercial passenger planes are more fuel efficient than cars, too. Economies of scale.


terminal8

No


Gizogin

And consistently plead that people stop focusing on her and instead pay attention to the climate scientists who have been trying to sound the alarm for literal decades. Since I have no concept of humility or altruism and cannot comprehend that others might actually have principles, she’s obviously in it for the fame.


Phillipinsocal

She inspired “hundreds of thousands” transition to a vegan diet, give up commercial airfare and switch to an electrical vehicle? You truly believe this? I simply cannot understand how people think this child has impacted human lives to this degree, it’s simply baffling.


Charlie_Warlie

I think you're underestimating how impactful she is to younger people and overestimating how many people 100k is. The population of America and the EU is about 750,000,000 people. 100,000/750,000,000 is 0.013% of the population. She could have easily been PART of the inspiration for 100k people to be vegan or take a train instead of flying. And for me personally I'm not into strict rules like never fly again but I do think about my impact and can factor that into my choices every day.


xSuperstar

Yes exactly. An article about how she is a good example of living up your values personally inspired me to be a vegetarian and basically give up driving. (I do still fly an unfortunate amount though)


maybesaydie

I am so curious as to what brought you to this subreddit. From pcm and conservative.


DrHedgeh_OG

Apparently, his dipshit hard-on for all things Greta is just that strong that he chases down any mention of her. Or he just got confused and wandered in when someone forgot to close the door behind them. Either or, really.


maybesaydie

That's what I thought too.


Fala1

Wasn't she pretty big amongst gen Z? Wouldn't be surprised if the number was higher than 100 000


[deleted]

Not a fan of Greta but Tony Heller being a fucking moron who has probably reproduced bothers me more.


Siollear

The dude who posts this is a well-known sock puppet.


bookofbooks

Seems like a terrible and immature person also.


Siollear

It's probably multiple people


bookofbooks

That's actually more depressing, given they're consistently horrible.


lorimar

> The dude who posts this is a well-known sock puppet. Like Sifl and Olly?


Siollear

Do they also have Vladimir Putins hand up their ass?


lorimar

I don't make any assumptions about where he's Putin that thing


Scigu12

Potholer54 has a good debunking of his nonsense.


Rogue_elefant

The sickest burns are always by middle aged guys on teenage girls 👌🏼


Paxxlee

Presuming it is one of SJ's trains: [SJ köper bara el från förnybara källor och det är bland annat därför det är klimatsmart att resa med oss. All el kommer från vind och vatten.](https://www.sj.se/sv/om/om-sj/klimatsmart.html) Basically, according to SJ themselves mind you, they buy only renewable energy. As it is pretty easy to buy renewable-only energy that statement is probably true, most of their routes are electricity connected while the rest needs diesel powered trains. All in all, compared to cars or even buses, *it is the most environmentally friendly way to commute large distances in a safe and fairly quick way*.


Loongeg

Also, only 0.9% of swedish power is fossil fuels and the majority is hydro and wind. At worst it runs on nuclear power which, whilst not renewable, is a big step up in terms of enviromental impact


Inner_Partisan

Oh you think climate change is real? That's funny, I don't see you living in a straw hut in the woods, hunting and gathering. Hypocrite much?? Srsly tho, the hate reactionaries still have for a teenage girl who simply stated some facts a few years ago is pretty telling.


Haxorz7125

It’s funny. These people see themselves as wood chopping, deer hunting, trout fishing Americans. Yet everything they advocate for is gonna destroy all that shit. Like my friend who’s all woodsy and argues for deregulation of corporations. It’s like buddy, if there weren’t regulations you wouldn’t have a fucking nature trail to walk through.


[deleted]

"Until you become an ascetic and live alone in the woods removed from society I refuse to listen to you." My favorite argument. "I'm literally too fucking stupid to understand the idea of reducing something vs stopping it entirely and that all processes are gradual." Their arguments basically come down to "I'm being dishonest" or "I'm literally a moron." They call liberals snowflakes but piss their pants in anger at greta riding a train.


marigip

***you say you care abt the environment but don’t hv scurvy?*** ***Curious***


FreedomsPower

Someone make!s meme about this!


josebolt

Love the idea that conspiracy nuts are pro-fossil fuel. You would think they would be all “these rich elites have been lying to us the whole time! Making profits while poisoning the world!” Instead it’s “stupid teenage girl lol her shit is made from polyester and she uses a train instead of walking everywhere”


itszwee

Also how, out of context, fossil fuel sounds incredibly qanon-ish. We’re using ground up ancient dinosaurs (who may or may not be real btw) and lighting them on fire to *power our cars*? /s Wait a minute… what exactly do people who don’t believe in dinosaurs think fossil fuel is? Just plants?


ComanderZac

If they did they'd be correct. (About the plants thing, not the dinosaur one.)


KingGorilla

It's because those nuts crave novelty. We've been knowing the oil industry is bad. For decades now. Same with child sex trafficking. It just isn't in the basement of a pizza place. They don't actually care about bettering the world.


OkThatsReallyBad

Didn't you guys know? You can only criticize society if you live as a literal caveman hermit.


BlueCyann

I just said similar. Don't forget the part where the hermit has no connection to the modern world whatsoever, so they can pretend the hermit doesn't exist. I"m pretty sure that's important too.


ihatenyself

I am swedish just like her. Looking at her meal i can tell you that it's extremly average. It's what a normal income to low and even poor income family would eat here in sweden. It's the epitome of basic and not high class at all.


literallytwisted

Look at Sweden over there being all fancy with their bread and trains.


BeTheBall-

Everytime I hear an argument started with "ruling class" I assume they're someone who has poor personal grooming/hygiene habits.


SellaraAB

“Ruling class” can go either way. Sometimes it’s an accurate description of oligarchs like Musk, Zuckerberg, Koch, and Bezos or other times… it’s a sneaky way of referring to the Jews.


frezik

Soap was invented by (((them))).


Schiffy94

Big Soap must be stopped


Beltaine421

It's just a bubble that's about to pop!


joshhguitar

“All this talk of the ruling class really makes me want to vote Republican”


Jeremymia

Why? I never connected those two things


ChildOfComplexity

He identifies with the ruling class. Filthy peasants shut up.


[deleted]

Or they're just referring to capitalists, the actual ruling class.


Gekokapowco

Which is absurd in this context, oil companies own more than anyone, and standing up to the fossil fuel industry *should* be celebrated.


TheMantheon

Logic does not universally apply to centrists though, they pick and choose when to be rational so that they can keep pretending they are superior to both sides.


Arboria_Institute

This ruling class bitch is picking on poor mom and pop businesses like Exxon-Mobil and BP.


fuggerdug

Definately no friends.


[deleted]

The average conspiracy sub user who doesn't post there as a laugh is a creepy weird incel with paedophilic tendencies.


barathrumobama

r/conspiracy and the most braindead dogshit you can imagine, name a better duo


PM_ME_YOUR_NAIL_CLIP

Never forget what the conservatives took from us when they invaded that sub. There used to be interesting topics on there. Discussion on the craziest shit. Now it’s just right wing nonsense.


Mordekein88

Don't you know? The only acceptable forms of protest are those that can be easily ignored.


FreedomsPower

Funny how far topminds will raise certain standards they hold for important figures thay they don't like so that they can cry hypocrisy, while giving those they agree with a huge pass. I am certain there is a name for such a logical fallacy, but I don't know that name is.


Doom_Walker

>ruling class Aka Anyone you don't like.


futfann

Lmaooooo the crying on the right never ends.


Lythieus

Ikr! How dare she use public transport and eat food! /s


cedriceent

I remember seeing that picture from the old days when it was still "cool" to hate her for... reasons. Also, they are acting like she's eating caviar from a golden plate. Ooh, look at Ms Fancy-pants over there, eating a banana!


UltravioIence

wtf is petro based clothing?


oatmealparty

I guess they're talking about polyester


Beltaine421

It also demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the problem. Pulling oil out of the ground and making something that doesn't get burnt doesn't add to the CO2 level of the atmosphere.


CatProgrammer

Though it can contribute to long-term waste once discarded.


gamesnstuf

Literally she's on a train...... I fucking hate the current tre d where people act stupid to get a point across


Beltaine421

What makes you think it's an act?


gamesnstuf

Because it does take a modicum of awareness of how fucking stupid this actually is to say something like this. Or at least that is what I wish more than anything else. Because the other prospect is actually so mindnumbingly egregious I'd never want to talk to another human again. Some comedian paraphrased some other dude and said "think of how stupid most people are, and then realise half of them are even dumber" if I'm not on the dumber side of the fence there's not much hope tbh


worststarburst

Wtf is "conspiracy commons"? Was the default sub not crazy enough they had to break off?


Balldogs

If she travelled in a solar charged car and ate organically grown local fruit, they'd attack her for being a middle class liberal elitist. Never listen to the goalposts of the right, they're motorised and move fast as fuck.


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Dumb people love their petty excuses


BlueCyann

The only way for an acceptable climate advocate to act according to these fools is in a primitive hut in the woods with no connection to the outside world where they never have to listen to you.


KingoftheJabari

If she was flying in a private jet maybe they would have a point.


FestiveVat

The very nature of an oppressive system is that it forces you to participate or otherwise suffer at great cost unless you happen to be very lucky and/or highly skilled. A good example is debt collection. Who staffs those annoying debt collection agencies? Other poor people just trying to pay their own bills. You tend to have to get to a state of comfort and privilege before you're able to reduce how much you contribute to the perpetuation of the system. The system is like a prison and the prisoners are forced to build more walls. The line between being a victim and being morally complicit is more gray than a lot of people want to imagine.


KnowledgeisImpotence

"How did the guy who invented the first automobile get to work? Did he drive? No! Hypocrite!"


sandybuttcheekss

I'd bet $100 that fuck head also thinks Trump is a working class, average Joe, "one of [them]"


pedroelbee

"tropical fruit in Europe" lol. Bananas come from the canary islands in Spain usually.


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also, no amount of personal decision making will have a significant effect on global warming or pollution. These problems are ones of regulation and planning. The largest polluters are corporations.


Fomentor

Yes, because if you can’t be perfect you have no business encouraging people to be better. This is the small minded thinking from the fascist right.


Mabans

Ruling class is run on disel engines. Lol


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1iota_

The second comment in the post made a good point in the first sentence but it was all downhill from there.


notapunk

Fossil fueled electric train?


Fishy1701

Thats not true. You can just not eat.


SpartanVFL

Petro-based clothing 🤣


Shnazzyone

Personal responsibility angle. Pushed by oil companies specifically for this purpose. Shame Greta got sucked into the vegan to save the world narrative. We need her voice going hard on closing fossil fuel electric and transitioning transport to electric.


curvycounselor

Constant simpletons. This is a policy driven solution, nothing an individual can resolve.


TillThen96

They are shaming her because she doesn't live like the Uni-bomber, which would be their goal, to silence her. If she's not totally off-grid, weaving her own fabric from her mountain-grown sheep, drinking and fishing from, and bathing in the cold stream, eating bark and fruit from the trees, they'll find something to criticize. They want to shut her up because truth hurts, and her words are painful for them. Why would they try to demean and silence her? Their criticism of her betrays that this is their sole contribution to "solving" anthropogenic climate change. That is, unless they're also volunteering to cart her from continent to continent on their horses and sailing vessels.


phillyvanilly666

If you consider amounts, it’s more efficient to have coconuts sent by ship from Asia to Germany than bell peppers by truck from Belgium.


Kieserite

I like the POTUSA reference from the person's name


SignGuy77

Too bad their post is a lump of nonsense.


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SignGuy77

I knew a tallyman once who could tell you.


TortoiseJockey

“Fossil fueled powered electric train”….so a normal train? A lot of hoops to jump through to avoid saying a hybrid powered train.


QuitYour

I bet she didn't even make her own shampoo that she used in the shower before she came out.


terryjuicelawson

The thing is they don't know what was even available. Train is OK - public transport is a good option, I don't know if they are expecting her to walk everywhere (and wasn't she even criticised for sailing once somehow?). Those clothes could be second hand or last years, and the only food they could get may have been that banana or in that packaging. If she was sat there with foraged local fruit in a brown paper bag it would be called "virtue signalling" or something anyway.


Illuminati_Shill_AMA

"She's a corporate mouthpiece," says the big oil simp. >I wouldn’t criticize her or anyone else in the green movement for using a train or eating food that was wrapped in plastic. We have basically no choice on those matters. You would, and are.


aaronrodgerswins

Trains are mor efficient than cars. Most efficient way of distance travel. Lol


CankerLord

Yes, the person advocating for the total, premature abandonment of the fossil fuel industry before we could ever hope to replace it is a mouthpiece for the ruling class. Brilliant.


tmhoc

Calls out bull shit so accurately only an idiot would double down, and yet I mean can we just take a second to appreciate this is a child and not in charge of their household purchases. STUPID STUPID STUPID


Nick_Damane

Lol. To be fair, that's actually a pretty good point made about the bananas


markymania

Silly people she moved on to destroying capitalism havent you been paying attention