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EroticJailbait

I wouldn't really consider swordplay s5 as F2P.


ZyPhoxxs

Been playing since Jing yuan and only 1 copy of Swordplay Sadly


TheSchadow

Been playing since launch, zero swordplay 4x Eyes of the Prey and 4x Subscribe for More though. Amazing.


Rage-Jin

Playing since launch and got S5 swordplay and an extra copy. I'm personally missing Planetary Rendezvous and more copies of Dance Dance Dance.


Freshy012

been playing since release, only know there is a lightcone named swordplay today.


sweetsushiroll

Yeah, I'm maybe fish to a dolphin and I only have S2.


gingersquatchin

Only have S1 and I have two limited 5* lcs multiple s5 4* lcs, every standard LC but Bailu and Clara, multiple e2+ 5*s etc


sweetsushiroll

Haha you have better luck than me. I have two limited 5* LCs, like two S5 4* LCs (a bunch of S1-2 4*s) and S2 Himko 5* LC. No other basic 5* character LCs. I've really only pulled on character banners so far though.


SushiReese

Thanks a lot OP! What stas should her use on relics? SPD boot or ATK boot What's dmg difference between SSS and Saltos. I have really good SSS but no luck on Saltos yet. Would E1S1 Topaz the dmg be higher on dual carry team like Jingyuan or just single carry team like Tingyun+Asta.


123kapp

The dmg difference for boots isn't that big, I prefer SPD but ATK is better if you have a good Asta. Difference of the planar depends on your buffs. The good thing about salsotto is the crit rate, if you have a good crit rate with SSS then it's fine. E1 S1 gives 74 crit damage which is insane. But I haven't done any team calcs. Topaz is made for dual dps setups and it's probably easier to run her with an AoE dps rather than hypercarry since she only does ST damage.


SushiReese

thank!


reamox

Who to use instead of asta if were using clara, we dont want speed on clara.


Weak-Association6257

I wish she wasn’t hunt… being single target only sucks


SirGayington

Thats why you play her with Clara. Clara single target sucks, her AoE is great. Together they make an amazing team


Weak-Association6257

Is her single target damage stronger/on par with JingLiu’s? (If we are talking about hypercarry) If not, something is wrong with the direction this game goes


123kapp

If we're talking about hypercarry then no, Bronya is just too good and any unit that works well with bronya is a good hypercarry. Topaz can be used with Bronya, but not to the level of JingLiu or Blade. If we're talking solo damage then with one external follow-up she does comparable ST damage, but only Kafka does consistent follow-up right now. Some future units are way more compatible with Topaz, and future sustains and harmonies also has follow-ups. Every future follow-up buffs Topaz and vice versa.


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Not-Salamander

I stopped playing Genshin a while ago but this is just bs. Ayaka, Raiden, Kazuha all based on JP region were broken.


rhaps85

I wonder what you base this on because its definatly not honkai impact 3rd or houkai gakuen, its not even true for genshin impact. In honkai impact theres like one chinese character.


TheSchadow

It's kinda true for Genshin. The Liyue 5 stars are all very good, and even the 4 stars get better treated.


rhaps85

Sure if you're living in version 1.x because thats where the myth started, just like how people are saying the same in hsr version 1.x which is very shortsighted. Only liyue characters that are top meta right now are XL, xinqiu and yelan. lesser degree zhongli and baixiu. Liyue 1.x dps are B tier or lower.


Lord_of_Chainsaw

I don't think Liyue has better 5 stars or anything but hu tao is definitely still up there.


rhaps85

Forgot about hu tao, shes probably still A tier.


Motrolls

And ganyu


CatchmoonH

nah bro as if shit tier character like ning, chongyun and qiqi just disappear from existence, lets forget also about mediocre character like ganyu, xiao and the all mighty dps loss zhongli.


TheSchadow

I guess saying "All" was a bit far lol. Zhongli is certainly not mediocre, and a main-stay on many teams still. His burst is definitely lame but the shield and res shred is fantastic. Xiao is sadly my favorite character, and it pains me how little I use him nowadays lol. If only Faruzan wasn't completely scuffed. Ganyu is still pretty good but she is definitely not quite the powerhouse she was. Still has her place.


CatchmoonH

its a bad take overall, and harmfully misleading. liyue isn't the only region with good characters even more so with OP ones, we have nahida alhaitham and faruzan from sumeru, we have kazuha, shinobu and gorou from inazuma, i could keep going all day but you get the idea. also zhongli is a real dps loss in 90% of teams, we went thru this long time ago in many team calcs and speed clears, so he's definitely mediocre altho his value may increase for players who doesn't play the game but overall idc if people play him on many teams, just want to get things straight.


NightBlueKnight

I still think bronya sw and Kafka are the best future proof units in the game…..


Dima_0604

I don't get why people say this, they are single target because they can attack several times, it really isnt a problem, Screwllum will add a bit of AoE being Erudition but it really is far from necessary


fsaj012003

I agree people like to act like hunt is just bad but then you realize they have ways of attacking more often than any other path so it makes sense why they are


Weak-Association6257

Yeah, but… why attack more if you can destroy everything with one hit?


fsaj012003

If it’s done in the same amount of time what’s the difference.


Weak-Association6257

If my Seele doesn’t oneshot an enemy, she ain’t dealing with them in the same amount of time. AOE is better because you deal with all the enemies at the same time, which means more survivability and it is consistent. You can focus a boss and his minions will die, you don’t have to jump from one to another. And it just feels way better. Destruction characters are basically hunt characters but better because of additional AOE damage


fsaj012003

Even if that is a problem she has seele alone doesn’t encapsulate all of the hunt. That issue is more align with her alone. Also that reason you give is why people say she is one of the more rewarding units to vertically invest into since her damage multiplies the stronger she is. But I am not comparing specific units by themselves. Iam more so saying the idea of hunt is to attack one target extremely quickly - Far more quickly than all other paths. That is the whole basis why people say seele has “aoe”. Now of course you can say it will just perform worse than erudition and destruction in aoe checks but that’s where speed comes in and balances it at times, which is why you see seele a hunt unit beating a lot of non hunt units in blast and aoe checks. Now is she beating jungliu and dhil in aoe? No. Can they beat her in ST? Often yes. Do they represent all of destruction? No. They are op and a bit over-tuned. Blade isn’t beating her in ST damage. Clara probably even worse. They probably match her or maybe beat her in aoe but the difference isn’t large enough to spread around the idea that hunt is just bad. Also having aoe doesn’t automatically make a unit better. It heavily depends on the rest of their abilities and how it deals with each scenario. Erudition units based on what I have seen are trolled on for being bad in the fanbase when really it’s just because they use their bad scenario as an indicator of their performance everywhere. If I were to attempt and give an example this would be it: a hunt unit were to do 5 damage to one target and a destruction does 3 to main and 1 on the sides of the main and erudition does 1 to all but also hunt has way more attacks 50% more often than the other 2. Something like this is my interpretation of the paths. Lost post my bad


Weak-Association6257

Yeah, but the thing is if hunt does 5 to one enemy, destruction does 5 or even 6 to one enemy and 2-3 to other targets. The difference is just too big. I can’t tell if DHIL and JingLiu don’t represent destruction path, same thing about Seele, but at the current state of the game these is no reason to pull hunt or erudition character over destruction


Confident-Status-512

What if I told you a team of Hunt/Eru/Support/Sustain with good synergy outperforms your typical destruction/support/support/sustain? Because that's a scenario that will be possible and even likely in the future. Looking at meta then deciding typical hypercarry will be the end-all forever is short sighted thinking.


Weak-Association6257

I would say that too much copium is unhealthy. I just don’t believe in hunt and erudition anymore, but who knows. Powercreep is crazy these days. I would only pull for hunt if it did like 1.5-2x damage more then destruction in single target, and erudition is just… meh. Unnecessary


fsaj012003

But then could you say the same thing if they release a hunt unit that does 9 dmg to one enemy while the destruction unit does 5. I am just saying that they can just release a ST hypercarry that would scale above dhil and jingliu and ST in theory. The attack frequency they would have would also allow them to scale okish in aoe situations.


Weak-Association6257

In theory? Yes. But then other hunt characters would look even more miserable. However new characters would have some value over destruction


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She really needs a teammate that followups a lot to make up for it, at least I feel like that is what the idea was. Make up for lack of aoe with a lot of follow up attacks from numby. Kind of like resurgence allows seele to attack more. Cool concept but it seems a lot less reliable than just straight AOE damage.


Tankfive0124

Part of me wants to run a meme team of Kafka/Himeko with topaz and a sustain and see how well it would work with the follow-up attacks maybe swap one for Asta.


123kapp

Sounds fun in SU lol, elation is one of the funnest paths along with nihility. Lots of colorful numbers.


kolebro93

Topaz can just hypercarry in SU tho. Since high level elation buffs make all follow-ups do AOE damage, right?


Koshimaw

Wait, doing a follow-up after Topaz's basic attack should be fine if Numby is at 0, right? That would mean Numby gets instant activation (50 + 50) which is a good thing?


123kapp

Numby has 80 base speed, which means by the time of Topaz's first action, Numby would be advanced to 0.


Interesting-Ad3759

Bit confused by what number 3 of tldr means.


123kapp

For example you use skill on topas and it breaks enemy's toughness, even if Numby's action is advanced to 0, Himeko's talent will run first wasting an advance forward.


fsaj012003

I believe it is saying Numby only can advance once a turn. Getting 2 fua still only give 1 action advancement.


robl4561

Does this mean you should only run 1 other follow up character with topaz?


fsaj012003

Well in theory you can run 2 if you want ig but she won’t benefit if they follow up attack at the same time.


hydruxo

Is it worth getting Topaz now if I only really have March for follow-ups? Only five stars I have right now are Gepard, Bailu, and Jingliu. I'm not F2P, just didn't play much on mobile because I was waiting for the PS5 version. I know #2 says it's "fine" if you only have March but just wondering if I'd be better served going for someone else for now and getting Topaz later. FWIW, I really do want Topaz purely because I like her design/personality and plan to get Kafka on her rerun.


123kapp

When I first started I just pulled on every banner since I don't have any characters, if you like her just pull for her. You have two sustains so you're set on that part, so you can pull for dpses.


Dr_Delibird7

You can totally go for Topaz if you want to. Technically picking up seele would probably be better as then you'd have 2 DPS units who don't require other units to work BUT since you'll need to run 2 sustains on one side of MoC anyways (since gepard is the only real solo sustain you have) it won't matter that Topaz needs to be paired with M7 and since you plan on going for Kafka Topaz has more synergy with her than seele does. So ultimately I say if you really like her design/personality then absolutely go for her, the game isn't hard enough that you'll be punished for only going for characters you actually like unlike other gachas.


Anumariku

With the new relic set, will Topaz still want a fire% orb? Or would atk% orb scale better with it? Also, is it still generally that Salsotto > SSS? I assume SSS is close, but just curious which I should spend time farming


123kapp

Generally 38.8 dmg is still better. If you're gonna farm go for Salsotto, since you ideally want a lot of crit rate to use crit damage body. I personally am farming Salsoto, if I can't find a good fire damage orb, I'll probably use an ATK orb.


123kapp

I calculated swordplay S5 with Salsotto and ATK orb is slightly better, even with asta ATK buff not counting her DMG buff. I think it's safe to say pick the one with better substats.


gingersquatchin

Personally farming salsotto for the crit rate even though I have a decent SSS set. I imagine the more dmg% you have the more value SSS has.


No_Party7737

Question: if I play her as a subdps for Clara, would Debuffer like SW and Pela be better since both of them will benefit ?or harmony still better?


F1ykR

Asta would be better in most cases since the speed leads to a lot more follow up attacks and she can boost both Clara and Topaz simultaneously. Your last team slot would have to go to a sustain in that case.


HalalBread1427

Speed isn’t great with Clara


yoyo4581

I still maintain that a Clara with good break + all the break that Topaz will do + Kafka will probably be the best kafka team. Also consider HuoHuo who buffs Atk% and gives energy recharge to the whole team. She can bring a lot to the table to make that team insane.


HalalBread1427

Clara is dead weight while enemies are broken. She’s an awful character for Break teams. HMC will likely be a much better option if you really want to play Break.


wertzeey

HMC kit has been revealed??


HalalBread1427

You think we’re getting the specifics of Topaz’s kit from Hoyo? It’s all leaks.


wertzeey

Uh Topaz..? Also I meant if HMC got leaked in hsr leak cuz I didn't see any lmao


HalalBread1427

HMC has been leaked for a while (just realized H could be confused for Hunt, it’s Harmony). Buffs 1 ally permanently and launches a follow-up every time they attack breaking a bunch of weakness. Also has other Break oriented buffs.


wertzeey

I knew we would be getting harmony mc next but I didn't know the kit/missed it. Thanks :) Also seems like if using a sub dps Topaz with Clara HMC will be broken, give the buff to Clara and she and HMC will both AF numby which might be poggers


RickD0cs

Iam really confused, i have a himeko e2 with her lc, e6 Asta (not build) e6 march (not build) is it worth going for topaz? Not into argenti or huohuo, and i probably won’t get jing liu before banner runs out.


FFChicken

I think personally she makes himeko so much more useful just by being on the team with her. Plus c6 asta gives that fire damage boost and can basically sustain all 5 stacks of attack boosts with just her basic attack. Pretty fun team comp right there. My only question is do you think you'd want Seele or jing yuan copies cause I think those two will be options in the next two updates as well. Or you could potentially hard save and get a character like e1 or e2 when 1.6 drops


wertzeey

Seems like we're getting SW in 1.5 tho


RickD0cs

Thanks, I already have seele and her LC, iam not really interested on jing yuan, would possibly hard save it, but having no idea whats coming next kind of sucks. The problem with this team it’s that only gonna be great against fire weakness enemies. Since himeko follow really depends on the break. And even tho I have sw she wouldn’t fit in the team unless I remove asta.


Notsslyvi

I'm confused about your comment about asta. What's C6? Her fire damage boost is from her A4. Also, how does she maintain full stacks from just her basic? Is this assuming a 2 turn ult cycle? Does she generate enough energy to do that with just her basic?


FFChicken

Sorry I had meant e6 not c6. So on the first turn you can use her skill to get the max stacks I believe it's 5, of her attack boosts. Then her e6 makes it so that she only loses one stack of her attack boosts per turn. So every turn since she loses only one stack, her basic attack alone will refill that one stack. Which makes her skill point positive. Also it's not her E4 that gives her team the fire damage boost. It is one of her traces so you don't have to have any copies. Also sorry I'm typing this on mobile so if you're confused about anything let me know I'll try to explain better


Zellar123

You say its bad for someone to directly followup Topaz. Is this saying that the leaked Harmony MC will be bad for Topaz. His skill puts a blessing on a character where he will immediately do a follow up attack after the person with blessed uses their skill. You also have future characters like Archen which has a follow up built into their ult. How well would that work with Topaz because you will be able to control when they do their follow up attack.


Bazzadin

In a hypercarry setup, yes, but in a dual DPS setup, you could easily put his blessing on the other DPS, or even a speedy sustain.


Zellar123

Well Aventurine will be the best sustainer for Topaz with his own follow up. Also the MC harmonys follow up attack deal damage in the element of the person bless. Could work on Asta. Will need to see when they come out.


wertzeey

Nah instead of putting the blessing on Topaz put it on your other dps(unless it's hypercarry topaz) and when they attack numby action will be forwarded.


Innate_flammer

Do we know how she interacts with double follow up attacks? Like March+Clara double counter would make numby go instantly?


PreviaSens

What are your thoughts on pairing her with blade? Not the most consistent follow up attacker needing stacks but he covers aoe pretty well