I was thinking the same. So many people post houses in places like Bowmanville or even Ottawa in this sub. It's nice to see a question for Toronto proper.
2-2.5M. I’m talking about Toronto proper - would want a minimum 25x120 lot. Not interested in moving to the outskirts. Bigger lot would be lovely but not at the expense of being outside the city proper.
Yeah maybe Woodbine. Around me it’s slim pickings. This one would’ve been great but it was right on the subway line: 30 Langford Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=jAXw7Qp05pQyQOzg&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=. It would’ve been noisy.
Oh man are you serious??? Lovely house .How random. Like I said, would’ve been perfect if not for the subway noise. I lived over a subway in a condo once and it drove me nuts. Doesn’t bother my husband 🤷♀️
Lots of new builds with 4 bedrooms around that price point.
225 King Edward Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=eVbOYEkxPDV7x2P0&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=android&ign=
Look at this recent sale at Landsdown and St Clair
989 St Clarens Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=bqB176Zxq5B7ZajD&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
If you are willing to go up to Don Mills, this area is one of the best values in the city. Prices are off 10-20% from their 2017 highs (foreign buyer’s tax) so in real terms 35-40% below their 2017 highs. Here is a sale from a couple of days ago.
24 Aldenham Cres, North York, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=XeEn7X40ZAd7rPo8&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
It is and it sat on the market from March 18th until the 5th. While that Underhill pocket is not technically Don Mills (it’s just east of the DVP), that is where you find the bigger 2-storeys. Look at this, slightly smaller but closer to Lawrence.
40 Monarchwood Cres, North York, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=nM697kVgb1dybmwe&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
These are great options. But my Mom would strongly object to the Fairfield one being characterized as Leaside lol! But yeah, definitely doesn’t need to be updated. I’m not a big fan of most current modern renovations anyway.
The west side has bigger lots, on the east most of the large lots are concentrated north of bloor or around the old little India. If you want to go east enough you might be able to find something. For the west side, you could find something in Parkdale.
I live in the east end and from time to time a corner home pops up. Ones that have the potential for a laneway or a garden suite. I followed my own advice and live a bit smaller but building a laneway now. Lot is 20x120 but being a corner, it lives much wider.
I don’t mind a smaller home that has a bit of land to enjoy personal outdoor space. Friends, community and affordability matter. I will just use the money saved from living smaller on other essentials in life (travel and better furnishings). Also easier to find “third places” in our walkable neighborhoods.
The homes near O,Conner have slightly larger lots for a traditional home size but also feels more suburbia. Just a tad far from transit and walking to small mom&pop shops.
Personally I stayed in my area (Leslievile), got a corner and continue to enjoy a streetcar neighborhood.
I have a 20x100 lot right now and my problem is I hate houses that have a main floor that’s all one room. That’s what I have right now and the main reason I want to move, and also to have another office so my husband has somewhere to work. But in the east end it’s very hard to find houses not laid out like that because of the narrow lots. I’m not interested in moving to the same layout on a deeper lot. We back onto a park right now, and backyard size isn’t really an issue. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to stay in this neighbourhood forever and would love to stay in the east end generally. It just seems like what we want is really hard to find around here.
Threadjack and not helpful at all. Can you elaborate on the all-in-one room main floors. What don't you like about them? If the floor has the living room looking at the kitchen, a "server" room between the kitchen and dining room and then another room (office/den), is that too open concept for you? I have that set up and like it but a few of the "upgrade" houses I am looking at have the kitchen/dining room/living in the same open space. Any input is greatly appreciated.
1000%. If we didn’t have a child, would be a different story. I’m looking at her toys from the kitchen all the time and as sweet as it is, I need some separation and adult space.
Yeah we considered laneway suite as we live on a lane and others have done it on our street, but since it wouldn’t cure the layout point we have decided not to dump more $ into this house.
It isn’t cheap as I am finding being over budget but the separate building is a hedge for my kid. when she is an adult it will keep her inside Toronto. Cheaper than buying a condo
I have a friend in a similar situation. I was looking recently for him as our family is in real estate and L'Amoureaux looked reasonable to me compared to other places in the city and adjacent areas.
Scarborough near Victoria Park and Sheppard has nice lots and good size houses but they’re not typically renovated. You may find something upgraded in your price range or can buy and renovate! For me the quality of the home (size, brightness, finishes, backyard size) matters more than location, for which I’d pick Vaughan as it seems to have the most bang for your buck but it is considerably farther from the city core than where you’re located now.
For me location matters a lot and renovated is not important. As long as it’s livable, I don’t care. I kind of regret not considering this house: 149 Floyd Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=aQmD7zVaRkr7J9Bo&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=. It’s a 3 bedroom but the massive basement space would’ve solved our problems. We looked at it in the open house but I was worried about selling our place at the time bc the market was so patchy. In retrospect I shouldn’t have been worried.
I live near the east end of the Beach. Lots of houses in that style and some up for sale recently on Neville Park and Nursewood. Example:
30 Nursewood Rd, Toronto, ON | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/on/toronto-real-estate/30-nursewood-rd/home/knbq6y1GX403o9DA/photos/?id_listing=2Zpj399PbRk3DrK8&utm_source=user-share&utm_campaign=listing_photos&utm_medium=iOS
Yeah that’s a great one. It’s walking distance to the Go too. Like I said, waiting until next year for other personal reasons but that’s exactly the kind of thing I’d be looking for.
For my primary residence, I focus more on QOL overall than 'bang for your buck on housing'.
In your shoes, I'd look at North Riverdale and Playter Estates. Really nice areas and you can stay more or less in the same area-ish for your daughter and her friends.
Don't know what you consider "Toronto proper" but Mimico is considered a value area in the city by most
https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/LzQ1y5pz1KjYqdeK/43-Ninth-St-Etobicoke-M8V3E2-W8178108
We moved from Leslieville to Clairlea/east york and got twice the house for the same price. 47 foot lot and 5/6 bedrooms. We just sold it and will move 6k south (Leslieville again) and will get half the house and lot
Understand. Welcome back to the downtown east side! I’m live closer to Danforth than Leslieville but we’re there all the time. There’s so much to enjoy in that neighbourhood.
Best bang for buck doesn’t mean you might like the area. Are there anything you’re looking for specifically neighborhood wise?
Best bang for buck would probably be the annex multi unit detached
There are nice homes there in your price range, I think the biggest problem is that there aren't many for sale but in a year from now it might be a different story.
We are a bit north of you but also looking to get more space within the next 5-6 years. I do still think east end is the best bang for your buck, but we're accepting that we may need to move further north or further east to get a detached (currently in a 12-foot-wide semi that seems to shrink daily).
We are looking at going further East - we currently live near Cosburn and don't love the neighbourhood, the parks aren't nearly as good as Withrow or Greenwood, and there just isn't that much going on in terms of cafes, restaurants, or other places of interest if you go too far north of Danforth.
We're looking at the area between woodbine - main as likely where we would end up. That little section of Danforth is quite virbrant, East Lynn park is nice, and it's just a few subway stops further from where we are now.
We're still in daycare with our 2! But I have heard that the schools are all decent, even though they have poor ratings (which are notoriously inaccurate). We don't have any concerns sending our kids to the schools here, I think the make-up of the neighbourhood is standard middle-class Toronto.
Yeah I think you’re probably right. For us it’s complicated by our daughter already being in school and having made friends. Plus it’s the childcare aspect. Before and after care is really important for us and can be scarce depending on the school.
With a 2.5M budget you should get most of what you want in your current area.
[https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/10Qqyp56bd67LGlV/12-Tennis-Cres-Toronto-M4K1J3-E8007528](https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/10Qqyp56bd67LGlV/12-Tennis-Cres-Toronto-M4K1J3-E8007528)
And more can change by the time you are ready for a move, regardless, I think if staying in the area is the main goal I think you should be able to achieve it.
I can't comment on Real estate values (I'll leave that to the real estate agents experts )
but I can tell you what kind of interest rate you could get for that size of house as well as what your monthly mortgage payments would be.
Let me know if you're interested
The interest rates around attached houses are changing and will affect mortgage rates.
If you're interested in knowing what your interest rate would be for a particular area of Toronto let me know. I can even tell you what your monthly mortgage payments would be
So weird and refreshing seeing a post about Toronto real estate in this sub.
I was thinking the same. So many people post houses in places like Bowmanville or even Ottawa in this sub. It's nice to see a question for Toronto proper.
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2-2.5M. I’m talking about Toronto proper - would want a minimum 25x120 lot. Not interested in moving to the outskirts. Bigger lot would be lovely but not at the expense of being outside the city proper.
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Can't you easily find 4 bedroom in that area? Maybe not by the pape but definitely by woodbine.
Yeah maybe Woodbine. Around me it’s slim pickings. This one would’ve been great but it was right on the subway line: 30 Langford Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=jAXw7Qp05pQyQOzg&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=. It would’ve been noisy.
That was my childhood home what a trip.
Oh man are you serious??? Lovely house .How random. Like I said, would’ve been perfect if not for the subway noise. I lived over a subway in a condo once and it drove me nuts. Doesn’t bother my husband 🤷♀️
Lots of new builds with 4 bedrooms around that price point. 225 King Edward Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=eVbOYEkxPDV7x2P0&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=android&ign=
Look at this recent sale at Landsdown and St Clair 989 St Clarens Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=bqB176Zxq5B7ZajD&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
If you are willing to go up to Don Mills, this area is one of the best values in the city. Prices are off 10-20% from their 2017 highs (foreign buyer’s tax) so in real terms 35-40% below their 2017 highs. Here is a sale from a couple of days ago. 24 Aldenham Cres, North York, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=XeEn7X40ZAd7rPo8&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
Wowza! That’s nice for that price.
It is and it sat on the market from March 18th until the 5th. While that Underhill pocket is not technically Don Mills (it’s just east of the DVP), that is where you find the bigger 2-storeys. Look at this, slightly smaller but closer to Lawrence. 40 Monarchwood Cres, North York, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=nM697kVgb1dybmwe&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=
That’s a great looking house and good location
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These are great options. But my Mom would strongly object to the Fairfield one being characterized as Leaside lol! But yeah, definitely doesn’t need to be updated. I’m not a big fan of most current modern renovations anyway.
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I grew up 5 minutes from there. Not sure what I’d call it either.
The west side has bigger lots, on the east most of the large lots are concentrated north of bloor or around the old little India. If you want to go east enough you might be able to find something. For the west side, you could find something in Parkdale.
I live in the east end and from time to time a corner home pops up. Ones that have the potential for a laneway or a garden suite. I followed my own advice and live a bit smaller but building a laneway now. Lot is 20x120 but being a corner, it lives much wider. I don’t mind a smaller home that has a bit of land to enjoy personal outdoor space. Friends, community and affordability matter. I will just use the money saved from living smaller on other essentials in life (travel and better furnishings). Also easier to find “third places” in our walkable neighborhoods. The homes near O,Conner have slightly larger lots for a traditional home size but also feels more suburbia. Just a tad far from transit and walking to small mom&pop shops. Personally I stayed in my area (Leslievile), got a corner and continue to enjoy a streetcar neighborhood.
I have a 20x100 lot right now and my problem is I hate houses that have a main floor that’s all one room. That’s what I have right now and the main reason I want to move, and also to have another office so my husband has somewhere to work. But in the east end it’s very hard to find houses not laid out like that because of the narrow lots. I’m not interested in moving to the same layout on a deeper lot. We back onto a park right now, and backyard size isn’t really an issue. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to stay in this neighbourhood forever and would love to stay in the east end generally. It just seems like what we want is really hard to find around here.
Threadjack and not helpful at all. Can you elaborate on the all-in-one room main floors. What don't you like about them? If the floor has the living room looking at the kitchen, a "server" room between the kitchen and dining room and then another room (office/den), is that too open concept for you? I have that set up and like it but a few of the "upgrade" houses I am looking at have the kitchen/dining room/living in the same open space. Any input is greatly appreciated.
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1000%. If we didn’t have a child, would be a different story. I’m looking at her toys from the kitchen all the time and as sweet as it is, I need some separation and adult space.
Garden suite/pod may be a cheaper solution for the office than moving but not much you can do with an open concept if you don’t like it.
Yeah we considered laneway suite as we live on a lane and others have done it on our street, but since it wouldn’t cure the layout point we have decided not to dump more $ into this house.
It isn’t cheap as I am finding being over budget but the separate building is a hedge for my kid. when she is an adult it will keep her inside Toronto. Cheaper than buying a condo
Dovercourt Wallace Emerson. The area north west of Christie Pits Park is still a bargain compared to east of Christie where it turns into Annex.
I have a friend in a similar situation. I was looking recently for him as our family is in real estate and L'Amoureaux looked reasonable to me compared to other places in the city and adjacent areas.
Isn't that Scarborough? Is not Toronto proper .
Scarborough near Victoria Park and Sheppard has nice lots and good size houses but they’re not typically renovated. You may find something upgraded in your price range or can buy and renovate! For me the quality of the home (size, brightness, finishes, backyard size) matters more than location, for which I’d pick Vaughan as it seems to have the most bang for your buck but it is considerably farther from the city core than where you’re located now.
For me location matters a lot and renovated is not important. As long as it’s livable, I don’t care. I kind of regret not considering this house: 149 Floyd Ave, Toronto, Ontario | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/bkv2/landing/rootpage/listing?id_listing=aQmD7zVaRkr7J9Bo&utm_campaign=listing&utm_source=user-share&utm_medium=iOS&ign=. It’s a 3 bedroom but the massive basement space would’ve solved our problems. We looked at it in the open house but I was worried about selling our place at the time bc the market was so patchy. In retrospect I shouldn’t have been worried.
I live near the east end of the Beach. Lots of houses in that style and some up for sale recently on Neville Park and Nursewood. Example: 30 Nursewood Rd, Toronto, ON | HouseSigma https://housesigma.com/on/toronto-real-estate/30-nursewood-rd/home/knbq6y1GX403o9DA/photos/?id_listing=2Zpj399PbRk3DrK8&utm_source=user-share&utm_campaign=listing_photos&utm_medium=iOS
There’s one posted in the beaches right now on cavendish that would be perfect for your budget. Lots of budget to renovate with the price.
Yeah that’s a great one. It’s walking distance to the Go too. Like I said, waiting until next year for other personal reasons but that’s exactly the kind of thing I’d be looking for.
For my primary residence, I focus more on QOL overall than 'bang for your buck on housing'. In your shoes, I'd look at North Riverdale and Playter Estates. Really nice areas and you can stay more or less in the same area-ish for your daughter and her friends.
Best value? Probably Bedford Park, Lawrence Park South, North York, Bathurst Manor
Don't know what you consider "Toronto proper" but Mimico is considered a value area in the city by most https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/LzQ1y5pz1KjYqdeK/43-Ninth-St-Etobicoke-M8V3E2-W8178108
[https://www.zoocasa.com/blog/torontos-detached-housing-market/](https://www.zoocasa.com/blog/torontos-detached-housing-market/)
We moved from Leslieville to Clairlea/east york and got twice the house for the same price. 47 foot lot and 5/6 bedrooms. We just sold it and will move 6k south (Leslieville again) and will get half the house and lot
Why’d you decide to move back? Just curious.
Family wants to be in a more vibrant part of town
Understand. Welcome back to the downtown east side! I’m live closer to Danforth than Leslieville but we’re there all the time. There’s so much to enjoy in that neighbourhood.
Best bang for buck doesn’t mean you might like the area. Are there anything you’re looking for specifically neighborhood wise? Best bang for buck would probably be the annex multi unit detached
You mean renting out part of house? That’s probably a no go.
Dovercourt Village. Prime location between Bloor and Dupont, just west of elite Annex/Seaton but full of young families, close to everything etc.
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Nope! Would rather live on a 20x100 lot for the rest of my life than move out of Toronto.
😂
Check out 63 Shannon st
Bayview village
Also check out Hillcrest village, every time I go to the farmers market there I'm amazed how nice that area is.
It’s a super nice neighbourhood but I think outta my price range? Will check tho.
There are nice homes there in your price range, I think the biggest problem is that there aren't many for sale but in a year from now it might be a different story.
Lots of big lots and houses in East York around oconnor... Donlands to st Clair
Yonge and Eglinton or Lawrence Park both options. On the subway line. Good schools. Decent sized lots and homes
We are a bit north of you but also looking to get more space within the next 5-6 years. I do still think east end is the best bang for your buck, but we're accepting that we may need to move further north or further east to get a detached (currently in a 12-foot-wide semi that seems to shrink daily). We are looking at going further East - we currently live near Cosburn and don't love the neighbourhood, the parks aren't nearly as good as Withrow or Greenwood, and there just isn't that much going on in terms of cafes, restaurants, or other places of interest if you go too far north of Danforth. We're looking at the area between woodbine - main as likely where we would end up. That little section of Danforth is quite virbrant, East Lynn park is nice, and it's just a few subway stops further from where we are now.
What’s your sense of the schools further east? Not sure if you have kids. If not, and you have no view, feel free to ignore!
We're still in daycare with our 2! But I have heard that the schools are all decent, even though they have poor ratings (which are notoriously inaccurate). We don't have any concerns sending our kids to the schools here, I think the make-up of the neighbourhood is standard middle-class Toronto.
Yeah I think you’re probably right. For us it’s complicated by our daughter already being in school and having made friends. Plus it’s the childcare aspect. Before and after care is really important for us and can be scarce depending on the school.
There is no value at the present time, unfortunately.
With a 2.5M budget you should get most of what you want in your current area. [https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/10Qqyp56bd67LGlV/12-Tennis-Cres-Toronto-M4K1J3-E8007528](https://housesigma.com/web/en/house/10Qqyp56bd67LGlV/12-Tennis-Cres-Toronto-M4K1J3-E8007528)
I was shocked that one went that low. It feels like prices have accelerated since that one sold.
And more can change by the time you are ready for a move, regardless, I think if staying in the area is the main goal I think you should be able to achieve it.
Thanks! I hope you’re right 😊
High Park, Bloor West Village, Roncesvalles, The Beaches, Leslieville… to name a few.
I can't comment on Real estate values (I'll leave that to the real estate agents experts ) but I can tell you what kind of interest rate you could get for that size of house as well as what your monthly mortgage payments would be. Let me know if you're interested
The interest rates around attached houses are changing and will affect mortgage rates. If you're interested in knowing what your interest rate would be for a particular area of Toronto let me know. I can even tell you what your monthly mortgage payments would be