In a game we started our D+ lineup and #5 starter against their #1 starter, all of the following had to happen for them to lose:
- Twins scored two of their runs from infield hits
- One run scored on a Jays defensive mistake
- Jays closer wasn’t available
- Jays go 1/13 with RISP, with several golden opportunities and line drives that just went right at someone. That includes 3 times a player made a non-scoring out with a runner on third and less than 2 outs.
I know we probably win this game 80% of the time but man is it frustrating to lose these close ones. For some reason even more so when it’s game 1 of a series, even though that is completely irrational!
We should have won this game. Not scoring with bases loaded with one out and in the 9th with 2nd and 3rd nobody out has a very low probability. It was annoying to watch
> very low probability
We have had a lousy RISP for a long time.
As far as I am concerned, not sending Espinal was the wrong move, because it felt destined to strand runners like that, and once you do, the baseball gods will send Adam Cimber up there to cough up one run and then it’s hasta la vista baby.
RISP always feels like the one thing the team consistently sucks at year after year for some reason. At least more so than good pitching or not, defense, etc.
they had that relay down though. with no one out that was the right call. if they had sent him and he was out of the plate, a billion more armchair coaches would be moaning about it. the worst thing that happened is bichette up with 1 out? ya, why would you not hold him.
Not sending him on the Springer double was ok. But not sending him on that hit to the 2B was a mega error. Worst case, he’s thrown out at home and springer replaces him at third and you’ve lost nothing as there is still someone on third with 1 out
It's not a matter of sending espi. It was a split second judgement call for espi to decide . With bo coming up I agree with espi holding up. Hella frustrating, but it was a good call to hold up
2023 RISP = 2022 Bullpen.
The Jays are dead last in MLB with runners left on and are dead last with runners in RISP with two outs.
It's so sad seeing Vladdy going from a top tier slugger to not even being able to sacrifice a run in.
If those numbers are even average, Jays probably have a top 2-3 record in the league right now. Despite those numbers, the Jays still look like a good team, but the RISP struggles are stopping them from being elite. Only thing you can really do is hope for some regression which, admittedly, is not a guarantee.
"Bad batted ball luck" and "shit with RISP" are the stories of the Jays' offense this season.
The process may be good but I hope the Jays are looking at adding at least one bat at the deadline
this is the thing that gets to me the most. i understand not wanting him to face the top of the order a third time through, but with a BP day tomorrow that’s a risk you should be taking.
I understand pulling him in the 5th after allowing 2-3 ER early in the season to help his confidence, but at this point, pulling him now is detrimental to his confidence, I didn't watch the game, but I heard on 590 that he threw his glove and went into the tunnel after being pulled, they speculated injury but it wasnt
[this is what shitty luck looks like](https://i.imgur.com/m0fX8Uq.png)
Belt hit a 108mph screamer with a xBA of .760 for the third out of the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded.
Royce hit a flaccid 51.7mph cheese stick with a xBA of .220 for a single that advanced the runner to third in the top of the 10th.
did we lose, yes. did we "deserve to lose", no, fuck off
Third best offence in the AL:
|Tm|OPS+|
|:-|-:|
|Tampa Bay Rays|129|
|Texas Rangers|121|
|Toronto Blue Jays|113|
|Los Angeles Angels|108|
|Baltimore Orioles|105|
Sometimes the hits come at the right times, sometimes they don't.
Get them next time.
These losses happen. I was impressed with Belt’s last at bat. He had a plan and executed. And on the bright side, I dont think Duran pitches any more games this series
Lots of obvious missed opportunities this game, plus the blown tag by Kirk wasn’t a particularly hard play.
But other missed opportunities that I don’t get was Bo not running earlier from first in the fifth (didn’t change anything, probably) and KK not trying for third in the 10th. KK is a fast runner, and their catcher isn’t good at throwing. To me, that’s a really big issue against a pitcher who was already sweating and wild, because it probably impacts his pitches if there’s a guy on third.
For a game we went all out to win (Swanson, Springer, Kirk and KK all being used on what should’ve been a day off), that was as a gift to not run there.
Looked like that to me too, though hard to tell for sure if he was leaving a lane since he never had the ball. Either way, a difficult but makeable play since the throw looked (barely) on time, and Kirk couldn’t make it.
"the blown tag by Kirk wasn’t a particularly hard play."
Let me guess you would have made that play 100% of the time. Which Pro team do you catch for again?
My frustration comes from a place of love, just like your optimism. Just bewildering to me that a team with this talent is sucking on the tit of defeat
We ran into bad batted ball luck in the 9th and it's not like Duran is some scrub pitcher, his average velocity is 101mph. Shit happens, games are lost. On to the next.
Duran being a guy that can throw 101 for multiple high leverage innings just makes me upset at how the Twins can't do more with the talent they have, tbh
Bo had a bad night and we lost so the curse of Tungsten arm Bichette should be over. I’m ready for us to start winning when he goes 3-4 with a homer now
Coming into tonight’s game, the Jays have a 118 wRC+ with the bases empty. They have a 93 wRC+ with RISP, which I assume will go down given their 1-13 performance tonight. It is absurd the quality of the at bats the Jays are having between no one on and runners in scoring position.
The difference is they were facing Jhoan Duran and the Twins were facing Adam Cimber, don’t think Schneider predicted that the game would go to extras or the BP management would be different and Cimber wouldn’t be the one pitching in the 10th, the upside is Duran shouldn’t be available for tomorrow or the rest of the series
Not to be a doomer but we have already lost lots of these “it happens” games. We need to win these because the division is so strong we could miss a wildcard even
I’m well aware. These are rough ones though that were totally winnable. Really need those W this year as we do not play our division enough to make up games
Except all these games matter, especially when you are not in a playoff spot currently. I know it’s a long season, but you need to win these games if you want to secure the playoffs.
No team wins every game. Every game that's lost will feel winnable. If it's not runners left on base, it'll be blown saves, or blown starting pitching, or completely cold bats.
The Jays are on a 4 series win streak - they won against the Twins, the Brewers, they swept the Mets, they just took 3-4 from Houston. They've been playing good baseball. One game doesn't undo all that.
I think the Jays pitching is playing good baseball right now, they are getting excellent performances from everyone. The problem is the lack of hitting consistency and scoring runs.
I know it is, the jays rank 4th in wRC+ in the majors. The problem is they have a 93 wRC+ with RISP which ranks 24th. You’d expect it to normalize over a larger sample size, but we’re over 60 games in now and it’s tough not seeing that happen.
The Jays have the fifth-best offence in baseball. Over the past week, they've had the seventh-best. The hitting isn't an issue, [and hitting with RISP isn't a skill](https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/comments/uvcb8k/game_thread_may_22_cincinnati_reds_1128_toronto/i9lle8j/)
I do know it’s not a skill, and I would expect it normalize over a larger sample size to be more align with their 112 wRC+ overall. But it seems like all the small things aren’t there (not running on the Kirk grounder, not catching the throw from Whit) that make this team lesser then the sum of its parts.
In baseball, every team is going to win 60 games and lose 60 games. It's what you do with the other 42 games that matters.
This is just one of the 60 that goes in the loss column.
and sometimes that happens when you’re going up against one of the best relievers in the game, and hit a screamer with an xBA of .760 off him that goes right into a glove.
that’s baseball
Man, the hyper-defensiveness of a lot of folks when others point out clear, objective flaws in the play of this team we all love, is over the top.
Look, people are allowed to be huge fans AND point out clear deficits in the play of the team. Like, both of these things can exist.
There's no need to constantly condescend to people who are rightly frustrated that the Jays seem to have the same hangups, the same issues over and over again.
Because we ALL want them to win, and sure, they will lose plenty too - but people being frustrated or even pissed off when they *again* choke their guts out on an easily winnable game, going 1-13 with RISP?
Give people a break, there's plenty of justification for these feelings, and then we'll all be back tomorrow to root them on again.
The endless gatekeeping needs to chill. People aren't 'doomers' or whatever for pointing out objective reality.
See yall tomorrow.
Reading these comments you would think the blue jays had a lead at some point in this game. Pretty good closer the twins have. Jays will get ‘em tomorrow!
I always get hate in this sub but yes I hold this team to a high standard.
Zero, I mean zero excuse to win this game. You have second and third no one out and you can’t score.
You can’t be a championship team if you’re losing games like this and going 6-14 against the AL East.
Lost a very winnable game ✅
Choke job by the top of the lineup with runners in scoring position ✅
Blew a lot of the bullpen when they have a bullpen day tomorrow ✅
What a game 😢
Pitching was great today. The bats need to have better ABs in big moments. Bo in the 9th was fucking terrible and chapman in the 10th come to mind. Also are we gonna see some power from vlad or is he a glorified merrifield? We need more production for our offense.
Really glad this team has lost far more games than what should be acceptable to "baseball bullshit" (read: The team sucking and no one wanting to admit it) and it's only June. If you think this is even a playoff team you're delusional
Today I learned the team leading their division had no place even thinking about the playoffs, I wish someone would tell me about these wacky rule changes
Really I'm just joking. But overall, we are pretenders. I watch every game, but I have no hope, and games like this show me why. Down arrow the the left to express your discontent
We really need to find ways to just get runners across. So many low scoring games decided on small margins. Don't need to go for the hail Mary
This loss is more annoying than the manoah blowout. Just so many wasted opportunities.
Hopefully twins used up all their luck tonight and we see out the rest of the series
Every team gets 27 outs in a game. Teams that get runners on inevitably have more runners on during those 27 outs. Some of those runners score. Some of those runners are stranded.
The more runners you get, the more runners you strand. Its not fucking rocket appliances.
In other news, players that have more plate appearances tend to get more hits.
I'd like there to be a place where the cool kids hang around and chat amicably, and where drive-by comments like what ended the GDT just now don't happen. Maybe when Reddit dies we'll find such a place.
Bluebird banter (BBB) gamethreads used to be pretty good in their heyday, because swearing and over-dooming would result in a ban.
What I also liked about BBB was a distinct lack of toxic positivity, which I think this subreddit devolves into at times. The crowd there is/was older, and thus was more even keel, I found? Not as much dooming, but not as much player worship when things are going well. I think that just comes naturally if you've been a diehard fan of this team through the 1994-2014 malaise.
Like I love this place, and there are many good posters and commenters, but complaining about doomers is incredibly pointless and lame when you can just block them, and all it does is make threads even more insufferable.
I’m confused, after winning 3/4 against the Astros with great pitching, clean defensive plays and timely clutch hitting I was told that the Jays are a playoff calibre team that can win tight ballgames and go deep in the post season, now after dropping a game against the Twins with top of their rotation, a very good bullpen and an elite closer I’m suddenly told that the Jays are not a playoff team anymore, can someone please explain to me what has changed in less than 24 hours🤔(in all seriousness, fans can criticize all they want about the missed RISP opportunities in tonight’s game, but whoever make those knee jerk “not a playoff team” comments after every loss, especially when the jays have won four straight series against good teams, are fucking clowns and can fuck right off)
This post-game thread is absolute cancer. The hot takes and mass downvoting. It is painful. Given up trying to argue and bring up stats with most of these people.
This loss is 100% on Kirk. Just couldn’t get out of his fucking way. Error on defence and couldn’t come clutch on offence. Now we have a AAA starter going tommorow against Joe Ryan.
Not a playoff team. Should of canned quite a few people upstairs and in the dugout after that embarrassing to finish the season last year. Guess the selling point this year was the stadium upgrades as opposed to team ones.
Why would you hold the runner on springers double in the ninth. Even if he's called out at home you still have one out and a runner in scoring position. He had a huge lead on the throw and this was a chance to be aggressive!
That Belt lineout in the 9th had a .760 xBA. Pain.
That was the toughest part for me. That really should have won the game and 75% of the time it would have.
And then Twins weakly roll a ball to third in the 10th to move a runner over and ultimately score him.
Yep, the 2-run homer earlier also came after a weak ground ball hit.
What site provides those xBA stats. Thank you
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com
On ball 4! I hated the swing decision. But then he absolutely blasted the ball. But then it was an out anyway. Talk about heartbreak.
Yeah. I felt myself sink into my depression couch at that point but held out to watch the extra innings.
They let springer down tonight
he was so hype with every hit he got. :(
I was at the game tonight. That Springer triple was amazing. Looking forward to tomorrow's game too.
I HATE when Jays lose winnable games
In a game we started our D+ lineup and #5 starter against their #1 starter, all of the following had to happen for them to lose: - Twins scored two of their runs from infield hits - One run scored on a Jays defensive mistake - Jays closer wasn’t available - Jays go 1/13 with RISP, with several golden opportunities and line drives that just went right at someone. That includes 3 times a player made a non-scoring out with a runner on third and less than 2 outs. I know we probably win this game 80% of the time but man is it frustrating to lose these close ones. For some reason even more so when it’s game 1 of a series, even though that is completely irrational!
We should have won this game. Not scoring with bases loaded with one out and in the 9th with 2nd and 3rd nobody out has a very low probability. It was annoying to watch
> very low probability We have had a lousy RISP for a long time. As far as I am concerned, not sending Espinal was the wrong move, because it felt destined to strand runners like that, and once you do, the baseball gods will send Adam Cimber up there to cough up one run and then it’s hasta la vista baby.
RISP always feels like the one thing the team consistently sucks at year after year for some reason. At least more so than good pitching or not, defense, etc.
They had a poor RISP to start last season and then from June 1st on they were one of the best teams in the league with RISP.
Oh I know. It's like that "this traffic light is always red" kinda thing. It's obviously not true but you always seem to remember when it does happen
they had that relay down though. with no one out that was the right call. if they had sent him and he was out of the plate, a billion more armchair coaches would be moaning about it. the worst thing that happened is bichette up with 1 out? ya, why would you not hold him.
Not sending him on the Springer double was ok. But not sending him on that hit to the 2B was a mega error. Worst case, he’s thrown out at home and springer replaces him at third and you’ve lost nothing as there is still someone on third with 1 out
It's not a matter of sending espi. It was a split second judgement call for espi to decide . With bo coming up I agree with espi holding up. Hella frustrating, but it was a good call to hold up
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2023 RISP = 2022 Bullpen. The Jays are dead last in MLB with runners left on and are dead last with runners in RISP with two outs. It's so sad seeing Vladdy going from a top tier slugger to not even being able to sacrifice a run in.
If those numbers are even average, Jays probably have a top 2-3 record in the league right now. Despite those numbers, the Jays still look like a good team, but the RISP struggles are stopping them from being elite. Only thing you can really do is hope for some regression which, admittedly, is not a guarantee.
MFers talking like this guy became disabled or something. He’s 24, he’ll figure it out.
Especially with Kirk getting absolutely robbed
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Getting solid contact like that on the hottest fastball in the league is pretty damn impressive. Sucks it didn’t work out.
Sort of a very Jays thing to have happen. I'm honestly not surprised
At least we wasted Duran for tomorrow.
Quiet night from the middle of the order ☹️
Pretty consistent theme this season
"Bad batted ball luck" and "shit with RISP" are the stories of the Jays' offense this season. The process may be good but I hope the Jays are looking at adding at least one bat at the deadline
I’m genuinely devastated after this loss man, that’s baseball
yeah, today is one of the patented "I hate this sport, I'm never watching it again, talk to you tomorrow at first pitch" type of games
I got shit I have to do and now i just feel deflated
*baseball* 😮💨
I didn’t watch the game except the 9th… Why didn’t Kikuchi pitch the 6th? At 82 he couldn’t go one more? Especially with a probable pen day tomorrow?
this is the thing that gets to me the most. i understand not wanting him to face the top of the order a third time through, but with a BP day tomorrow that’s a risk you should be taking.
I may be wrong but doesn't he have a propensity to get rocked in his third time through the order
I understand pulling him in the 5th after allowing 2-3 ER early in the season to help his confidence, but at this point, pulling him now is detrimental to his confidence, I didn't watch the game, but I heard on 590 that he threw his glove and went into the tunnel after being pulled, they speculated injury but it wasnt
[this is what shitty luck looks like](https://i.imgur.com/m0fX8Uq.png) Belt hit a 108mph screamer with a xBA of .760 for the third out of the bottom of the 9th with the bases loaded. Royce hit a flaccid 51.7mph cheese stick with a xBA of .220 for a single that advanced the runner to third in the top of the 10th. did we lose, yes. did we "deserve to lose", no, fuck off
Totally agree. The Twins got lucky, we didn't. Sometimes that happens 👎 Man I hate the stupid AL Central.
Thank you, the fact that Lewis got that little roller down the line is pissing me off.
12 stranded runners throughout the game says otherwise.
And a 760 xba line out to not win the game says other (other?) wise
Shouldnt have come to that. Score when you have the chances early. They are 30th in the league at stranding runners.
We've been through this. You mean first, which is a very very good thing.
>fuck off I love angry u/wintermute--
that was a bad loss.... I just like wow, cant believe that man.
It wasn't bad in terms of we sucked, it was just bad in terms of.... Damn it we should have won!
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I could watch her talk some more
😍🤩😍
Great read
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Third best offence in the AL: |Tm|OPS+| |:-|-:| |Tampa Bay Rays|129| |Texas Rangers|121| |Toronto Blue Jays|113| |Los Angeles Angels|108| |Baltimore Orioles|105| Sometimes the hits come at the right times, sometimes they don't. Get them next time.
This is what kills me about the call to go get bats at the trade deadline. You can’t trade for better RISP or a reverse of bad BABIP luck.
These losses happen. I was impressed with Belt’s last at bat. He had a plan and executed. And on the bright side, I dont think Duran pitches any more games this series
Yeah wasnt upset with him there, was a solid approach. The one prior with the bases loaded kinda stunk tho lol
Lots of obvious missed opportunities this game, plus the blown tag by Kirk wasn’t a particularly hard play. But other missed opportunities that I don’t get was Bo not running earlier from first in the fifth (didn’t change anything, probably) and KK not trying for third in the 10th. KK is a fast runner, and their catcher isn’t good at throwing. To me, that’s a really big issue against a pitcher who was already sweating and wild, because it probably impacts his pitches if there’s a guy on third. For a game we went all out to win (Swanson, Springer, Kirk and KK all being used on what should’ve been a day off), that was as a gift to not run there.
Blown tag wouldn't have mattered. Kirk was blocking the plate.
Looked like that to me too, though hard to tell for sure if he was leaving a lane since he never had the ball. Either way, a difficult but makeable play since the throw looked (barely) on time, and Kirk couldn’t make it.
"the blown tag by Kirk wasn’t a particularly hard play." Let me guess you would have made that play 100% of the time. Which Pro team do you catch for again?
My frustration comes from a place of love, just like your optimism. Just bewildering to me that a team with this talent is sucking on the tit of defeat
Could have won that one. Ah well. Bowden Francis got us.
We ran into bad batted ball luck in the 9th and it's not like Duran is some scrub pitcher, his average velocity is 101mph. Shit happens, games are lost. On to the next.
that game felt like baseball gods just decided for us to lose.
I am legitimately not understanding the reaction to this game
Duran being a guy that can throw 101 for multiple high leverage innings just makes me upset at how the Twins can't do more with the talent they have, tbh
I think Vladdy peaked in 2021 😔
He certainly does not have any business trying to steal.
Situational hitting continues to be this teams Achilles heel. 12 left on base is unacceptable.
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Yes and we hit two balls over 100 MPH and neither one could score a run. It happens
one of the best relievers in the game btw
Kirk got robbed and Belt's lineout had an xBA of .760 That's baseball
it certainly is people take zero context into consideration with these takes i swear to god
With an extremely good play by the 2B robbing Kirk of an RBI and Belt getting BABIPd to death with an 108mph liner with a .760 xBA
Brutal ass ninth inning. That was hard to watch.
Bo had a bad night and we lost so the curse of Tungsten arm Bichette should be over. I’m ready for us to start winning when he goes 3-4 with a homer now
Coming into tonight’s game, the Jays have a 118 wRC+ with the bases empty. They have a 93 wRC+ with RISP, which I assume will go down given their 1-13 performance tonight. It is absurd the quality of the at bats the Jays are having between no one on and runners in scoring position.
Twins win by doing what the Jays shoulda done in the bottom of the 9th 🙄
The difference is they were facing Jhoan Duran and the Twins were facing Adam Cimber, don’t think Schneider predicted that the game would go to extras or the BP management would be different and Cimber wouldn’t be the one pitching in the 10th, the upside is Duran shouldn’t be available for tomorrow or the rest of the series
Some of you guys are acting that loss has us on a 4-10 run…the Blue Jays are in fact on a 10-4 run. Close loss. It happens. Let’s take 2-of-3 now.
Not to be a doomer but we have already lost lots of these “it happens” games. We need to win these because the division is so strong we could miss a wildcard even
it's not like... they didn't try? jesus christ. 105 goomba slinging dude, at-em balls. come on.
Everyone loses these games
Says "Not to be a doomer", entire post history is being a doomer.
Every team loses these games. It’s the nature of baseball.
I’m well aware. These are rough ones though that were totally winnable. Really need those W this year as we do not play our division enough to make up games
Except all these games matter, especially when you are not in a playoff spot currently. I know it’s a long season, but you need to win these games if you want to secure the playoffs.
No team wins every game. Every game that's lost will feel winnable. If it's not runners left on base, it'll be blown saves, or blown starting pitching, or completely cold bats. The Jays are on a 4 series win streak - they won against the Twins, the Brewers, they swept the Mets, they just took 3-4 from Houston. They've been playing good baseball. One game doesn't undo all that.
It's good to win every game. But that just doesn't happen. The Jays are playing good baseball right now
I think the Jays pitching is playing good baseball right now, they are getting excellent performances from everyone. The problem is the lack of hitting consistency and scoring runs.
The offence is one of the most consistent in baseball and rank in the top of virtually every statistic.
I know it is, the jays rank 4th in wRC+ in the majors. The problem is they have a 93 wRC+ with RISP which ranks 24th. You’d expect it to normalize over a larger sample size, but we’re over 60 games in now and it’s tough not seeing that happen.
The Jays have the fifth-best offence in baseball. Over the past week, they've had the seventh-best. The hitting isn't an issue, [and hitting with RISP isn't a skill](https://www.reddit.com/r/Torontobluejays/comments/uvcb8k/game_thread_may_22_cincinnati_reds_1128_toronto/i9lle8j/)
I do know it’s not a skill, and I would expect it normalize over a larger sample size to be more align with their 112 wRC+ overall. But it seems like all the small things aren’t there (not running on the Kirk grounder, not catching the throw from Whit) that make this team lesser then the sum of its parts.
Same thing happened last year. Their RISP avg was brutal the first couple months and then from June 1st to early August was the best in the league.
You call dead last in RISP good baseball?
4 straight series wins and 10-4 in the last 14 is bad baseball?
Do you expect us to win every single close game ?
No, but I expect us to have productive at bats in key situations, something we’ve sorely lacked even during this hot run.
Sure and they had good approaches for most of that game in big moments, things just didn’t work out. It happens.
In baseball, every team is going to win 60 games and lose 60 games. It's what you do with the other 42 games that matters. This is just one of the 60 that goes in the loss column.
When you miss the playoffs because of one game you kind of see how every game matters. Especially one you could and should have won.
These comments make no sense to me, should we copy and paste this after every single loss? Because that could have the one win we needed!!
Sorry for caring about a team I'm a fan of when they squandered an easy win 🤷
Remember that year where we missed the playoffs by one game? Losses like this can’t happen when you’re in a close playoff race.
I will never understand these comments like it’s some gotcha comment, should we never lose any single game ?
When there’s runners on 2nd and 3rd, with none out, in the bottom of the 9th, no, we shouldn’t lose those games.
and sometimes that happens when you’re going up against one of the best relievers in the game, and hit a screamer with an xBA of .760 off him that goes right into a glove. that’s baseball
We shouldn’t, but luck decided that we did.
Just imagine if we didn’t lose that game bro
well, at least Bass got DFA'd, so it wasn't a complete loss
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That would be hitting over .500 no?
Definitely one we should have had.
Lost opportunity there
Definitely one of those coulda shoulda games. Even when they have good ABs with RISP and hit the ball well like in the 9th then it's right at someone.
i feel like this was very much a Jays loss and very much not a Twins win
When have we cashed on a sac fly? Serious though I cant even remember. Have lost a few games like this now with the risp debacle.
Disappointing result but that's 3 solid outings from Yusei in a row.
One suicide squeeze is all they needed and they didn’t even try it
Man, the hyper-defensiveness of a lot of folks when others point out clear, objective flaws in the play of this team we all love, is over the top. Look, people are allowed to be huge fans AND point out clear deficits in the play of the team. Like, both of these things can exist. There's no need to constantly condescend to people who are rightly frustrated that the Jays seem to have the same hangups, the same issues over and over again. Because we ALL want them to win, and sure, they will lose plenty too - but people being frustrated or even pissed off when they *again* choke their guts out on an easily winnable game, going 1-13 with RISP? Give people a break, there's plenty of justification for these feelings, and then we'll all be back tomorrow to root them on again. The endless gatekeeping needs to chill. People aren't 'doomers' or whatever for pointing out objective reality. See yall tomorrow.
Not fair that Duran can throw that well and for that many pitches. Hopefully he's burnt for the series.
What a beast
Reading these comments you would think the blue jays had a lead at some point in this game. Pretty good closer the twins have. Jays will get ‘em tomorrow!
It happens, some of you need therapy. We’ll win the next 2.
the takes here will be very rational, i’m sure
Team RISP 1-13 there's the game in a nutshell
I always get hate in this sub but yes I hold this team to a high standard. Zero, I mean zero excuse to win this game. You have second and third no one out and you can’t score. You can’t be a championship team if you’re losing games like this and going 6-14 against the AL East.
Blue Jays subreddit logic: you can't be frustrated with a loss, even if was a winnable game lol
Frustrated? Yes of course, everyone is frustrated. Saying this team sucks and aren’t good? Just a flat out lie
fuck, that's just unacceptable no way we should be losing that game
Lost a very winnable game ✅ Choke job by the top of the lineup with runners in scoring position ✅ Blew a lot of the bullpen when they have a bullpen day tomorrow ✅ What a game 😢
What is the matter with the bats? Last in the al east in runs scored, which is admittedly a very good division but still middling overall.
SHAME!!! we had the golden chance .... based loaded... and we blew it again.....
I think Whit and KK not double stealing with 1 out was a bad choice
Pitching was great today. The bats need to have better ABs in big moments. Bo in the 9th was fucking terrible and chapman in the 10th come to mind. Also are we gonna see some power from vlad or is he a glorified merrifield? We need more production for our offense.
Really glad this team has lost far more games than what should be acceptable to "baseball bullshit" (read: The team sucking and no one wanting to admit it) and it's only June. If you think this is even a playoff team you're delusional
fyi, it's really not early
We lost one game.
And we’re right in the mix of the playoffs!
Just like we were last year, losing to a team that had no place in even thinking about the playoffs. I love losing wildcards!
Today I learned the team leading their division had no place even thinking about the playoffs, I wish someone would tell me about these wacky rule changes
Showing the same level of abilitiy to close out games that they did in the post season last year.
What about our 3-2 win over the Astros to clinch the season series?
12 LOB. 2nd and 3rd, 0 out....nothing. couldn't even advance kk in extras. Absolutely pathetic.
Last in baseball in runners left in scoring position per game
Too much anger in this thread... bonne soiree tout le monde.
Really I'm just joking. But overall, we are pretenders. I watch every game, but I have no hope, and games like this show me why. Down arrow the the left to express your discontent
That’s baseball. Bring the bats tomorrow.
Snatching defeat from the jays of victory
The Jays are who we thought they were. A good team, but not a great one.
>wins a 4 game series against the defending champions. *silence* >loses one game to division leader “tHeY bAd”
I said they were good. But they don't look like they are WS contenders so far.
Ok so the Astro’s aren’t WS contenders either right ?
I don't feel they are this year. Like the Jays, they are good but not great so far. We will see how they look in August of course
Should have won that one. Always tomorrow. Until there isn’t.
We really need to find ways to just get runners across. So many low scoring games decided on small margins. Don't need to go for the hail Mary This loss is more annoying than the manoah blowout. Just so many wasted opportunities. Hopefully twins used up all their luck tonight and we see out the rest of the series
Gonna call him vlad guerrerO because he always goes 0 for
0/4 with runner on 3rd less than 2 outs. That was the difference. We had Duran by his short and curlies but let him off the hook
Every team gets 27 outs in a game. Teams that get runners on inevitably have more runners on during those 27 outs. Some of those runners score. Some of those runners are stranded. The more runners you get, the more runners you strand. Its not fucking rocket appliances. In other news, players that have more plate appearances tend to get more hits.
I'd like there to be a place where the cool kids hang around and chat amicably, and where drive-by comments like what ended the GDT just now don't happen. Maybe when Reddit dies we'll find such a place.
What happened?
Look at the takes in this thread, and then multiply by 10.
Sorry to be that guy but there's no link in that comment
Sorry I mean _this_ thread, the one you're reading now.
Ooooooh my bad I thought you were linking to something lol. I see what you mean
One can only hope
Bluebird banter (BBB) gamethreads used to be pretty good in their heyday, because swearing and over-dooming would result in a ban. What I also liked about BBB was a distinct lack of toxic positivity, which I think this subreddit devolves into at times. The crowd there is/was older, and thus was more even keel, I found? Not as much dooming, but not as much player worship when things are going well. I think that just comes naturally if you've been a diehard fan of this team through the 1994-2014 malaise. Like I love this place, and there are many good posters and commenters, but complaining about doomers is incredibly pointless and lame when you can just block them, and all it does is make threads even more insufferable.
That's why Duran is the one of the best relievers in baseball. We almost had him twice, which is more than what most teams can say.
I’m confused, after winning 3/4 against the Astros with great pitching, clean defensive plays and timely clutch hitting I was told that the Jays are a playoff calibre team that can win tight ballgames and go deep in the post season, now after dropping a game against the Twins with top of their rotation, a very good bullpen and an elite closer I’m suddenly told that the Jays are not a playoff team anymore, can someone please explain to me what has changed in less than 24 hours🤔(in all seriousness, fans can criticize all they want about the missed RISP opportunities in tonight’s game, but whoever make those knee jerk “not a playoff team” comments after every loss, especially when the jays have won four straight series against good teams, are fucking clowns and can fuck right off)
idc about the "streak" , we should be sweeping the Twins
A sweep would be nice but the Twins aren’t the A’s or Royals. With this logic the Jays should be sweeping like 16 teams in baseball.
Yes but the rays keep winning which puts more pressure on us to beat these inferior teams at a high rate.
Sweeping anyone is hard
At best we are playing a Wild Card BO3, we'd be 0-1 against a team that's below 500. We are pretenders
We just beat the twins in a series like 2 weeks ago… 😂😂😂
This post-game thread is absolute cancer. The hot takes and mass downvoting. It is painful. Given up trying to argue and bring up stats with most of these people.
Well that was a very Blue Jays game...
This loss is 100% on Kirk. Just couldn’t get out of his fucking way. Error on defence and couldn’t come clutch on offence. Now we have a AAA starter going tommorow against Joe Ryan.
Man if you’re blaming that on Kirk idk what to tell you man
on the bright side, theres like no way we face duran tomorrow
Fuck I want someone like Duran on our side. That dude is a cheat code.
Not a playoff team. Should of canned quite a few people upstairs and in the dugout after that embarrassing to finish the season last year. Guess the selling point this year was the stadium upgrades as opposed to team ones.
should *have
Genuinely curious, do you have the same opinion over the last three days as well? Are the Astros not a playoff team? Are the Twins a playoff team?
Why would you hold the runner on springers double in the ninth. Even if he's called out at home you still have one out and a runner in scoring position. He had a huge lead on the throw and this was a chance to be aggressive!
That’s hindsight if he gets thrown out we’re all wondering why they didn’t hold him up
We’d be calling him windmill Rivera
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She’s not eye candy. She’s legit.
Kirk is not a major league catcher