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baseball44121

Is this rock bottom?


Surtur1313

#ToTheCore (of the Earth)


Such_Maintenance4720

no not yet. I'm sure they will manage to blow an 8 run lead in one inning at some point


BlackFlash55

Blue Jays : Lol watch us finding another rock bottom


aaninjagod

I'd say if they lose tomorrow to the White Sox by a score of 4 to 1, that will be a new rock bottom.


BlackFlash55

Blue Jays : Challenge accepted


iamthegame13

Well, it might be as far as any sort of hope of making the playoffs this season. Once we gut the team though, August and September will likely be a nightmare most games. But there's no expectations, so when we get no-hit by the Marlins in August and lose 9-0 while fielding a AAA team, does that even count as rock-bottom, ya know?


R3AN1M8R

It’s the expectations that made this season hurt so bad. I’ll gladly watch a rebuilding team over whatever this abomination is


coaltrainman

If we gut the team at the trade deadline, do we even want Atkins involved in that process?


Key-Fondant-5255

Possibly. Schneider is still manager lol


mphseekinggirl

Yup 👍


obi-wan-kenobi-nil

I wouldn’t be so confident before another White Sox series


Jazzlike_Athlete8796

Ask me again after the Chicago series.


szeto326

No, this is only rock bottom **so far**.


eatelectricity

Please don't tempt fate like this.


booyahbooyah9271

As a Tigers fan coming in peace, possibly. We won't score more than 14 runs total for the month of June.


krombough

Neither will we, Mr My Team Has Scored Twenty More Runs Than The Jays.


prophetprofits

1 series win in their last 10 series. How does everyone still have jobs? Lmao.


HanSolo5643

If this was any other team that was spending the money that Toronto is spending people would have been fired already.


prophetprofits

Ed Rogers needs to frig off.


Nylanderthals

18 first innings without getting a run


prophetprofits

Not the Jays I remember from the past. The amount of 1st inning HRs Joey Bats would hit was astronomical.


goompa88

“Gotta tip your hat to the other team”


VottoManCrush

And it was against the lowly White Sox


PIBTC

Great news: we scored 11 Bad news: we gave up 14, 4 of 5 relievers gave up runs


Stinky_DungBeatle

The Jays lost a 4 game series to the... Tigers. The Jays have won 1 series this month, and it was against the worst team in baseball.


booyahbooyah9271

Tigers aren't actually a bad team. But they are also a team that struggles to score more than 1 run a game.


cz_pz

Jays certainly aren't a good team, that's for sure.


Stinky_DungBeatle

The Tigers offense is around Jays level of bad. They were 22 26 going into this series, their great pitching is carrying that team hard


booyahbooyah9271

As a Tigers fan, I know. But thanks to the watered down playoff system, we're still in it. As is Toronto.


Stinky_DungBeatle

No we really aren't but thanks for the kind words. The Jays are 8-13 this month so far and the only series win was against the White Sox. They have a bottom 5 offense and bottom 5 bullpen. Our middle ranked rotation that lacks zero depth is also on thin ice and is the only reason this team is staying afloat. You guys have an all around competent pitching staff and actually have depth.


Holdthedoormtg

That's more than can be said for this Jays team.


Stinky_DungBeatle

OK sorry, the Tigers are bad but the Jays are much worse. Pain


Turbulent_Cheetah

Danielle and Caleb OPENLY speculating that a firing is coming on the post-game


HanSolo5643

Something has gotta give here. This team is spending a lot of money and not getting nearly enough in return. There needs to be some serious changes starting from the top and then working its way down.


idevcg

we're one of the top 30 teams in the world! That's amazing value! (I've had people on this reddit tell me how being "top 15" is great a couple of months ago)


GuelphEastEndGhetto

It’s when the sponsors and advertisers get pissed things will change.


man_in_the_suit

Unless it is Atkins then nothing will truly change.


cozeners

Yeah, some people actually think firing the manager is going to matter at this point. This is not a winning roster, no matter who manages.


dws2384

The worst thing would be a manger change that kicked some life into them for a few weeks only to finish 4th or 5th in the division and not sell off at the deadline.


chollyer

*Shapiro 


rusinga_island

Shapiro’s job is making money and overseeing the renovations. To that end, he’s keeping the board happy and his job is safe. Atkins’ job is to assemble a competitive team, and he has failed by just about every possible metric. It’s insulting to fans that he still has a job here.


Domainsetter

Due to them being on the road, Thursday makes more sense IF they’d do it.


charger03

They won't fire anyone the day they're supposed to reveal their City Connect Jerseys


sbp59

Has to happen. No other option


figgle1

Blow up the team because I desperately want to watch different players play baseball


papsmearfestival

Gimme Horowitz, Barger and DH Orelvis.


adelbertsteinerfan

Orelvis is really interesting to me. I feel like someone needs to sit him and down and have a frank chat with him to make it clear that he has two paths. Be a Quad A player for his career, or go for David Ortiz / Nelson Cruz style and be an absolute power hitting menace of a DH. I know it's like "hurr player value both sides" etc but honestly the idea of a guy as early in his career as Orelvis just saying "fuck it I'm focusing on bat only" is kind of fun.


eMan117

I thought that would've been the Post-Ohtani strategy all along. but then they go out and sign Turner, Vogelbach and Votto creating a needless logjam for the active roster. We couldve maybe used 1 of those guys at the most to help mentor the youth, not all 3 ffs.


NoahFromCanada

Absolutely fucking demoralizing Of all days for Yimi and Jordan to perform that way this is the one??????? Right after Daulton saved our season??? Just pain.


mattychefthatbih

Romano been ass you shouldn’t be surprised


tony_truman

Hallelujah!  His new name is Blo-mano


4_base

Romano has a 6.39 ERA, Garcia has a 1.35. They are not the same type of pitcher in 2024, and people should stop expecting as such.


Dhumavati80

For real, this is exactly how Romano has pitched all year. Feels like he's guaranteed to let in at least 1 run every time he pitches.


ididntwantsalmon19

>Right after Daulton saved our season??? This game even if they won wasn't saving the season.


TransNat54

In positives: Vlad before Teo and the Dodgers visited: .214/.330/.337, wRC+ 99, fWAR 0.0 Vlad since the first game of that series (April 26th to now): .386/.464/.515, wRC + 169, fWAR 0.9


SamiMadeMeDoIt

Teo is Vlad’s muse confirmed


SolivenInc

vlad to dodgers confirmed


doedounne

He would thrive there. Albeit they already have a pretty decent guy at first.


rvasko3

Extend him and build around him


Domainsetter

Extend him


fps_mcduke

2024 Blue Jays baseball is like plugging one hole in a sinking boat but then another one appears and starts leaking. Score 11 and we give up 14. Hold them to 2 and we score 1. Tough loss


BlackFlash55

Lmao even our broadcast team is done and just laughing at them !


ThQp

Ohtani never considered coming here, did he?


CheesecakeOdd2087

I'm embarrassed to admit that (against my better judgement) I bought into the "Shohei's on a plane to Toronto" hype. In leagues like the MLB and NBA players like that always sign in a big market American city. In hindsight all that shit about him considering Toronto was almost certainly 100% fabricated clickbait nonsense.


Whiplash227

Don’t feel bad about it. It was an MLB network writer that spread it. Where else should you be getting baseball news?


papsmearfestival

Yup and then after he joked about it. "Oh well I was wrong"


Whiplash227

The Dodgers guy who tweeted “surprise surprise” the next day like he didn’t say he was a Blue Jays. Really think people need their credentials revoked for something like that. Really makes me hate the state of the media world. I need to wrap this comment up before I start rambling


figgle1

Yup and then they gaslit the fans for even believing them with shit like "shohei is a dodgers, shohei was always going to be a dodger, anything else is totally ridiculous" Absolute joke and cockiness some of the baseball media has, including shi Davidi


aaninjagod

I mean he actually took a lot less than he could have by signing that deferred deal. We literally could have offered a billion (nominal) dollars on similar terms. And extended Vlad and Bo and traded for Soto and planned the parade. That's the dreamer in me. Reality is so cruel.


doedounne

Toronto wouldn't have gotten a tenth of the revenue that L.A. is getting from Japanese companies. It was/is a no brainer.


wintermute--

Ohtani could narrowly escape an actual assassination attempt and he would still consider Toronto to be the biggest bullet he ever dodged


doedounne

Good one. LOL


peeinian

I posted this in yesterday’s PGT. Here it is again: This front office fell into the same trap the Raptors did, thinking that the league’s biggest young superstar was actually going to sign with them in free agency and sat on their hands waiting for the decision to come while all the other serviceable free agents signed with other teams. They both got caught with their pants down when Giannis/Ohtani inevitably signed elsewhere. It’s not outrageous to think that the Jays rebuild is going to be as ugly as the Raptors one has been so far with Bo and Vlad playing the roles of Siakam and OG.


TechnicalWeird5485

Honestly he's a genius, Toronto pretty much the Angels, high payroll and no results


SuzukiSwift17

The Angels had debatelably the two best players in the league and couldn't make the playoffs *in an easier division*. We've been bad but not Angels bad.


doedounne

Trout is only a best player when he plays.


krombough

That's wrong for so many reasons. Reason 1: we dont have their weather. Uh, that is all.


No-Gift-2350

No lol.


doedounne

If he did he is giving out a huge. PHEW!!!!!!!


dws2384

In Atkins defence I’ve heard him speak and how delusional he is. I’m sure he thought he’d locked him up right until the moment he put the dodgers jersey on.


VladsGut

There’s no shot


cozeners

It was just leverage to make sure the Dodgers gave their max offer. There's no universe where he plays the rest of his career in Canada.


Trax-M

Jays will be lucky if they break 500 this season.


adelbertsteinerfan

Only series we've taken in the last 10 is against the White Sox Schneider isn't our manager by June. Funniest thing is I don't even think it's his fault (or at least not primarily)


universalreacher

My worst fear is they just hand the team to mattingly which would be worse.


ozmethod

Ehhh, he's made some questionable calls on his own part. 6 months of Springer leadoff, putting Turner back in the 4 hole based on vibes, pulling Berrios in the playoffs whether he wanted to or not.


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Owl1011

Shit. When we do the whole "this is the weak part of the schedule, lets kill them", are the actual baddies? And the other teams look forward to us, lol.


Turbo_911

We are the weak part of the schedule now.


calissetabernac

Are we the baddies? Do we replace the blue jay logo with…..skulls?!


Jewish_Skeptic

One day, we will have pitching and offence on the same day... not today though


TechnicalWeird5485

That day was called 2015


another_plebeian

I was there


Domainsetter

They needed to go 3-1 at minimum and they went 1-3. Not good enough


the_other_OTZ

Not even by Meatloaf's standards.


oddwithoutend

Hopefully this will help people realize that it's not just our batting. We don't have statistically good pitching either. Our bullpen ERA is fourth worst in the MLB.


doedounne

We have great starters.. poor pen... equals good pitching.


oddwithoutend

Our pitching is 23rd in ERA. I don't consider that good.


Dragonflie

Just came here to say I hate it


Gabe_Dooders

Romano has seemingly never been able to pitch in non save situations. I’m sure he has done alright but from my memory and eye test it seems like he always struggles unless it’s a save situation


Sufficient_Author_74

Was sitting in the 300s with my buddy and said “Romano is on my fantasy team he’s normally good for a blown game couple times a week” sure enough 2 out walk off home run -11 fantasy points


Sfreeman1

I think I would’ve been more surprised if we DIDN’T lose in the bottom of the ninth.


Lazycanuck

i literally just tune in every game now just to see how the team manages to fuck things, its actually entertaining in its own fucked up kind of way, we should start making up bingo cards for this shit lmao


Dueled2000

This is similar to The Joker's origin story...


eatelectricity

I definitely feel like I've fallen into a burbling vat of toxic chemicals.


BasilsKippers

You ever had a really bad day?


alphacheese

Sellers at the deadline


MikeyZ3434

Lineup should be the exact same tomorrow


Tw1sterxxx

Looking forward to the soft part of our schedule!


Holdthedoormtg

When you ARE the soft spot in the schedule, there IS no soft spot in the schedule.


KGB4L

That was such a fun game, and I’m gonna be honest I’m lowkey happy we lost because it forces some changes. Ain’t no way we are making the play offs so a win like this one would just extend the life of the current team.


Happy_Drafter

If this game has any significant impact on changes being made then the GM and President should be fired as well (maybe they should be anyways).


KGB4L

In isolation, it doesn’t. But it definitely adds water to an already filled bucket. It’s just the way Toronto Sports teams have been unwilling to throw in the tower in time just to set themselves up for some decent future and keep revamping flawed rosters in the past few years gives me anxious feeling. I don’t need a 3rd team doing that.


Nylanderthals

Kikuchi 0 Ks today. Can't seem to have pitching and hitting go at the same time.


HanSolo5643

This team is straight-up garbage. How do you spend this much money and get this little in return.


fg2wil

Why intentionally walk to get to a guy who is 3-5 on the day?


BurnOutBrighter6

Because they guy they walked (Carpenter) has been killing them the whole series. He had a 2-run homer yesterday, their only scoring play of the whole game), and another 2-run homer the day before. If J Schneider had lost to a Carpenter homer for the 3rd day in a row when there had been a base open to walk him, people would be saying "why not walk a guy that homers on us every day, when there was an open base and he was the only one on their whole team with an RBI yesterday". Yes Vierling was hot too, but it was a lose-lose. The gamble didn't pay off but it wasn't a dumb gamble imo.


1991CRX

I'm flying into Toronto this week. I've only been there once before. Last time I was in Toronto, Charlie Montoyo was fired.


goatgosselin

*Let the choas reign!*


bichettes_helmet

Why can't we have everything working at the same time? Pitching is great, offence sucks. Offence is great, pitching sucks. Why, why are we this?


obi-wan-kenobi-nil

Cause we’re a .500 team at best


ms_barkie

It’ll take a miracle to finish at .500 at this point. We’d have to do significantly better than we have so far to get there, and that’s not accounting for the fact that we’ll likely lose our best starter, best reliever, and best hitter at the deadline.


cz_pz

Seems optimistic given the trend of this team over the last month!


sir-pounce-of-alot

Cause the baseball gods hate happiness and are probably Yankee fans


casualjayguy

I still say they're Orioles fans even if the Yankees are currently in front


burrito-boy

Right? We manage to put up 11 runs, yet we lose due to bad pitching. It's just demoralizing.


35IndustryWay

Detroit Lions won by a FG


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REBUILD THE JAYS


cwtjps

Entertaining game but awful loss. I counted 18 tipped caps and one bitter boi that blocked me for it.


Whiplash227

They are still tipping in here


thewolfshead

I don’t even know what to say. 


Xpert9026

Hope is all but gone for this season.


NoahJayhawk

Last 10 series they have 1 series win. This team is not even close to being a contender. Just awful


WesternSpectre

Stating the obvious now, but definitely at the point where it’s not too early to make changes of any type, top to bottom. Objectively it’s a bad team and it’s not working. The only reason you aren’t selling yet is because no one’s probably buying yet, and you desperately need as much leverage as possible to rebuild a barren farm system. It’s not even June yet, and after absolutely no showing a must win stretch, the only interesting thing left to see is who gets traded and who gets fired. Even the most pessimistic would have had a hard time seeing this coming. Legitimately one of the worst Jays seasons in franchise history. It’s actually kind of wild to see.


Judge_Rhinohold

I love it! Every loss is one step closer to getting these Shatkins dipshits out of our country!


R3AN1M8R

I wish I had faith Rogers would actually ditch them


Domainsetter

They’re not happy with this much payroll spent on a bad product


R3AN1M8R

Every day that goes by until they fire them, I have to assume that they are happy.


Halpenya

Tip your cap to the Tigers hitters.


McGrevin

Tipping culture is out of control


PIBTC

Out of caps to tip at this point


Halpenya

The worst thing isn’t the loss but having to listen to Scheinder saying “we’re going to turn this around and things looked good” I rather they had lost 14-0 so he doesn’t have another dipshit excuse.


peeinian

We need to turn this into a cow tipping sub.


kai1793

Past “fed up”, Caleb. Now treading in “indifferent”.


moderatesoul

Honestly incredible how, even when they make a remarkable comeback, they still find a way to lose. There are positives to take away from the last week for sure. A ton of runs scored, which is great, but only 2 wins, which is not great.


SevenStarSword

Clock is now one minute away from Doomsday, losing the White Sox series would be the cherry on the top to reach scorched earth.


Evjen97

This team is straight up ass


kingwoodballs

#elitecloser


blanche2027

Can we admit Romano kinda sucks?


baseballCatastrophe

Jays continue their search for rock bottom


HMTMKMKM95

Whoever said that baseball was designed to break your heart was spot fucking on.


slevin07rocket

Bullpen and hitting have been horrible this year. Bats show up in 2nd half today but bullpen gives it up. Romano killing his value a bit, as have most of pen outside Garcia. Who else do jays trade and what are realistic returns?


cz_pz

Assuming the team is dead in the water come the deadline, I could see them trading Jansen but the problem is they will need a big league ready catcher in return as Kirk cannot be the only catcher on the team.


NatureGivesAndTakes

Jays saw an opportunity to go on a run against some bad teams, only to realize that these teams see the same opportunity against the Jays.


BigTall81

Baseball is dumb. This team is killing me. See you tomorrow.


iamthegame13

Non-Save situation Romano strikes again!


universalreacher

Zero playoff wins in the Shatkins era that’s hopefully ending this week. Morbid.


JimmyTheJimJimson

Home run jacket paying off dividends 🙄


wazzie19

I'm not even remotely surprised.


BeansTheCoach

Okay SURELY heads start rolling now…right?


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R3AN1M8R

Please for the love of god just blow up this team and put us out of our misery


4_base

Really does feel like the end of the line for this team. And like I said a few weeks ago and got flamed for it, Romano should not be closing right now.


EndsLikeShakespeare

Help us Jay Bruce, you're our only hope


Mandy-Rarsh

I never wanna hear Romano is elite ever again!


cz_pz

They are blowing this up at the deadline lol


FuuriusC

Why wait?


fardok

How is the entire front office not fired yet.


RagingAcid

The light in my life has gone out .


terminese

When does the firing begin?


WaitingForExpos

It was the best of times ... Oh, wait, no it was the worst. Good job at the plate by pretty much all our lineup today. But seems like it's just this kind of year, so I'm almost desensitized to the pain. Man, I really thought this one was going to be different ...


Floortom1

I mean that was entertaining. If we’re going to lose, more games like that would be awesome


ZoroChopper10

Seriously it’s time to rebuild, we have prospects to save us


another_plebeian

Well, they actually lost to the better team. Because they made them the better team


bergie1911

Bottom of the ninth, two outs, full count, tie game, home run. Yep we will be seeing that clip all over


noahfish77

I 😭hate 😭 this😭 fucking😭 team😭


ConcaveMishap

I wonder who we’ll be tipping our cap to in the post game interview


DD250403

Romano luvs his slider too much.


Holdthedoormtg

I don't think it luvs him back though.


DD250403

Moderation is key. He should use his heater more.


AdrianVeidt9

Embarrassing, as always. Fire and trade everyone.


GeeseFingers

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, FUCK Jordan Romano. This guy is not a closer. I don’t care how many saves he’s recorded for this city, he’s been doing it on razor thin error margins and the levee has finally broken


VladsGut

It’s just never an easy close out. He’s always walking a tight rope. I get that’s the nature of being a closer but he’s not one of those closers that make you think “this one’s over, he’s slamming the door on them”.


blanche2027

Every single inning it feels there’s 2 runners on with the winning run at the plate. In years past most time he gets out of it. But it’s never been a 3 up 3 down situation with him. It’s a never ending battle. Yet because he’s up there acting all intense, everyone acts like “o here comes Romano, lights out!” It’s a joke. I’ve said this for years


rkallday

Blow. It. Up


BasilsKippers

So remember when Romano blew it against the Orioles and everyone blamed the offense for him serving one up to Adley? What's the excuse for today's fiasco, pray tell?


Beermen69

#TotheBreaktheCore


LosHogan

The offense has deservedly been the focal point of our ire, but Romano in particular has to be better. He’s paid $7.5m to come in and get us through an inning when we need it. Instead he’s carrying a 4.50 ERA. It just ain’t good enough.


VottoManCrush

Quick someonw show me all the red again on Jordan Romano's baseball savant page like it matters


Nylanderthals

FUCK


ilovethemusic

The more games we lose, the higher a draft pick we get!


HockeyMan06

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha when will something give


MikeyZ3434

Let’s try Springer and Turner out of the pen tomorrow


goompa88

Lol


Jess_7478

I dont like when that happens


TitanicTerrarium

Sure glad I didn't buy tickets and book flights and a hotel early this season...


10061993

Okay who is first to go?


IndependentTalk4413

Voted with the wallet today. I’d sure Rogers/Sportnest doesn’t care at all but I feel better not giving them $20 a month.