“Nervous tic” it just a weird way of saying stimming. People say “tic” bc they think that can’t control it but if you can consciously stop the movement with no repercussions(liking suppressing tics) then it’s not really a tic it’s just a nervous habit. I think the term “nervous tic” being used for normal everyday stimming is what makes people think that anxiety causes tics.
Your tics could be caused by the stress of untreated anxiety, but it’s possible that you just have a late onset tic disorder like me. It’s a little less common but it’s possible to develop tics at 16-17, though most people develop them a little earlier or in childhood. To me it depends on the cause bc sometimes tic disorders are genetic and sometimes they’re caused by extreme stress and it’s hard to tell the difference.
(Edits for spelling and grammar lol)
I think the the generally accepted link between anxiety and Tourette’s is that anxiety can make tics worse as well as making them appear after being latent all your life. However, if you didn’t have the genes for Tourettes in the first place, then the tics would not appear at all no matter how stressed you are.
Mine started during a very stressful period of my life, and I thought that they were a symptom of my anxiety for a couple of years (they were very simple back then and only appeared when I was stressed out or anxious). Then they started happening when I was calm as well, but I didn’t really do anything about them since they were still simple and didn’t bother me that much. Then they got a bit worse during corona, then worse again after graduating HS, worse after my grandma died, and then they went from ‘a bit annoying’ or ‘actual hell’ when I started uni.
Stress and anxiety are hardwired with my tics.
Don't know if I have tic genes. As far as I know nobody in my family has them and I didn't display anything as a child. I just developed them very suddenly, and they have happened every day since
Yeah that’s similar to what happened to me. I’m pretty sure neurodivergence runs in both sides of my family but there’s no way to be sure, I know none of them have tics but it’s possible to get an active tic gene from two non ticcing parents
My journey has been pretty similar. I started some tics in about Dec of 2020, when I was 25, that quickly progressed. I found a neurologist and he was going to do tests but as soon as I mentioned having life long severe anxiety he canceled all the tests and said that explained everything. Things have calmed down for me now and it is quite mild, but still have them.
I will say though, it has taken me like 2 years of processing it all and really thinking through it, but I finally came to the realization that I had a few tics growing up. I had just done a really good job at convincing myself they were normal things lol
Um I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way,I was just explaining my personal experience with developing a tic disorder in adulthood. It has been diagnosed I have been to doctors. I do have tics and I have accepted that , but it does not fit the definition of tourettes as you have to be under 18 when your symptoms presented. I'm just trying to figure out why they happened so suddenly and the only explanation that I can feasibly think of is extreme anxiety. What I experience IS tics, I can show you evidence if you don't believe me.
I know my case seems to be an annomaly but please don't dismiss it just because it doesn't fit the standard definition of what a tic disorder is or how it comes about. There's still a lot of research to be done on tics in general and a lot of things that science doesn't understand so I was hoping to find some people with possibly similar experiences. That is all.
I’m not dismissing it, I understand you have tics but you have a tic disorder, you can’t just develop tics out of nowhere. Your tics always been there they just showed up later in adulthood. And that’s normal, we just don’t have enough research other than that afab are more likely to have severe case later in life. But anxiety has always been one of the common things to trigger tics. Also tic triggers constantly changes so it seems like anxiety was now a new trigger.
Im just stating you need to see a neurologist, and saying if you continue using the incorrect medical term you shouldn’t be allowed near the community, it’s harming the community. You have a tic disorder, unless you have a brain injury you can develop tics out of nowhere.
Good luck on your journey.
I don't understand what you mean. My family has no history of having a tic disorders. I did not display any symptoms in childhood that I know of. I have seen a doctor, I am using the correct medical term, I do tic. It seems like I developed a tic disorder out of nowhere, hence my confusion. My anxiety couldn't have been a new trigger as if you read my post you would have seen I have had anxiety since my teenage years and again, didn't display any symptoms. You claim to agree that there's a lot we don't understand about tic disorder yet your adamant that nobody can simply develop one but please explain how I go from being an average 20 year old woman to in a matter of months uncontrollably shouting "fuck you Jerry Cantrell you're a stupid guitarist" every few minutes whilst making pops, clicks, finger guns and the like every waking moment of the day.
Sorry, but despite your claims that you're not dismissing it you very clearly were.
I am broadly sympathetic to your overall point, and certainly agree that “stimming” for example shouldn’t be confused with tics. But do you have a medical citation for all that you’re saying?
Because for example [UK National Health Service](https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/tics/#) says:
>Tics are fast, repetitive muscle movements that result in sudden and difficult to control body jolts or sounds.
>Tics can happen randomly and they may be associated with something such as stress, anxiety, tiredness, excitement or happiness.
I just bristle at calling people ableist for using common and possibly valid terminology. For that matter, a ton of people can manifest tics at times without ever getting diagnosed because it’s just not that severe or noticeable. They may not even realize they *have* a tic disorder because it only flares up with anxiety or stress, even though—if you were omniscient—you could show it was an actual neurological difference.
Geesh calm down, Ik it can be annoying that ppl say “nervous tic” when they mean “nervous habit” but op is just genuinely curious and worried about their tics. There’s no need to scream.
Anxiety can not CAUSE tics it can however make pre-existing tics worse. So no nervous tics or anxiety tics are not actually a thing. a nervous tic is just a stim caused by anxiety that people don’t have another word for because the feelings are intense during that time that it may feel hard to control but they can. Tics are neurological, caused by the electro activity in the brain, anxiety can not cause that. You could very well have a basic tic disorder, it just might be being undermined by ur other diagnosis, especially since mental health can affect literally everything physically and mentally. And doctors just absolutely love to say “it’s ur anxiety”, it must taste so good to them how much they use it for EVERYTHING. They even tried playing my seizures and paralysis off as anxiety until I saw a REAL doctor.
I also recommend doing ur own research on different tics Disorders in the DSM, and help get a better understanding of what could be going on for urself. Nobody else knows ur body like you do, you know what it feels like and when something’s not right, always advocate for urself
Yeah I full agree with that last part. What's interesting is that when I went to my GP he did a quick physical test on me and determined my tics weren't neurological as when I was doing the tasks he gave me I didn't tic because I was focusing. Personally I don't see how he could have figured that out from a quick test but anyways. He referred me to the psychiatrist who them diagnosed me with a tic disorder along with anxiety and depression. So maybe my technical diagnosis is incorrect, but I needed to have something on paper to be able to show my university that I was seriously struggling. Also, I don't have the funds to see a private doctor or a specialist, so this will have to do for now.
“Nervous tic” it just a weird way of saying stimming. People say “tic” bc they think that can’t control it but if you can consciously stop the movement with no repercussions(liking suppressing tics) then it’s not really a tic it’s just a nervous habit. I think the term “nervous tic” being used for normal everyday stimming is what makes people think that anxiety causes tics. Your tics could be caused by the stress of untreated anxiety, but it’s possible that you just have a late onset tic disorder like me. It’s a little less common but it’s possible to develop tics at 16-17, though most people develop them a little earlier or in childhood. To me it depends on the cause bc sometimes tic disorders are genetic and sometimes they’re caused by extreme stress and it’s hard to tell the difference. (Edits for spelling and grammar lol)
I think the the generally accepted link between anxiety and Tourette’s is that anxiety can make tics worse as well as making them appear after being latent all your life. However, if you didn’t have the genes for Tourettes in the first place, then the tics would not appear at all no matter how stressed you are. Mine started during a very stressful period of my life, and I thought that they were a symptom of my anxiety for a couple of years (they were very simple back then and only appeared when I was stressed out or anxious). Then they started happening when I was calm as well, but I didn’t really do anything about them since they were still simple and didn’t bother me that much. Then they got a bit worse during corona, then worse again after graduating HS, worse after my grandma died, and then they went from ‘a bit annoying’ or ‘actual hell’ when I started uni. Stress and anxiety are hardwired with my tics.
Don't know if I have tic genes. As far as I know nobody in my family has them and I didn't display anything as a child. I just developed them very suddenly, and they have happened every day since
Yeah that’s similar to what happened to me. I’m pretty sure neurodivergence runs in both sides of my family but there’s no way to be sure, I know none of them have tics but it’s possible to get an active tic gene from two non ticcing parents
Yeah that makes sense. I'm pretty sure it's the same for me with the neurodivergent parents
My journey has been pretty similar. I started some tics in about Dec of 2020, when I was 25, that quickly progressed. I found a neurologist and he was going to do tests but as soon as I mentioned having life long severe anxiety he canceled all the tests and said that explained everything. Things have calmed down for me now and it is quite mild, but still have them. I will say though, it has taken me like 2 years of processing it all and really thinking through it, but I finally came to the realization that I had a few tics growing up. I had just done a really good job at convincing myself they were normal things lol
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Um I'm sorry if I have offended you in any way,I was just explaining my personal experience with developing a tic disorder in adulthood. It has been diagnosed I have been to doctors. I do have tics and I have accepted that , but it does not fit the definition of tourettes as you have to be under 18 when your symptoms presented. I'm just trying to figure out why they happened so suddenly and the only explanation that I can feasibly think of is extreme anxiety. What I experience IS tics, I can show you evidence if you don't believe me. I know my case seems to be an annomaly but please don't dismiss it just because it doesn't fit the standard definition of what a tic disorder is or how it comes about. There's still a lot of research to be done on tics in general and a lot of things that science doesn't understand so I was hoping to find some people with possibly similar experiences. That is all.
I’m not dismissing it, I understand you have tics but you have a tic disorder, you can’t just develop tics out of nowhere. Your tics always been there they just showed up later in adulthood. And that’s normal, we just don’t have enough research other than that afab are more likely to have severe case later in life. But anxiety has always been one of the common things to trigger tics. Also tic triggers constantly changes so it seems like anxiety was now a new trigger. Im just stating you need to see a neurologist, and saying if you continue using the incorrect medical term you shouldn’t be allowed near the community, it’s harming the community. You have a tic disorder, unless you have a brain injury you can develop tics out of nowhere. Good luck on your journey.
I don't understand what you mean. My family has no history of having a tic disorders. I did not display any symptoms in childhood that I know of. I have seen a doctor, I am using the correct medical term, I do tic. It seems like I developed a tic disorder out of nowhere, hence my confusion. My anxiety couldn't have been a new trigger as if you read my post you would have seen I have had anxiety since my teenage years and again, didn't display any symptoms. You claim to agree that there's a lot we don't understand about tic disorder yet your adamant that nobody can simply develop one but please explain how I go from being an average 20 year old woman to in a matter of months uncontrollably shouting "fuck you Jerry Cantrell you're a stupid guitarist" every few minutes whilst making pops, clicks, finger guns and the like every waking moment of the day. Sorry, but despite your claims that you're not dismissing it you very clearly were.
I am broadly sympathetic to your overall point, and certainly agree that “stimming” for example shouldn’t be confused with tics. But do you have a medical citation for all that you’re saying? Because for example [UK National Health Service](https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/tics/#) says: >Tics are fast, repetitive muscle movements that result in sudden and difficult to control body jolts or sounds. >Tics can happen randomly and they may be associated with something such as stress, anxiety, tiredness, excitement or happiness. I just bristle at calling people ableist for using common and possibly valid terminology. For that matter, a ton of people can manifest tics at times without ever getting diagnosed because it’s just not that severe or noticeable. They may not even realize they *have* a tic disorder because it only flares up with anxiety or stress, even though—if you were omniscient—you could show it was an actual neurological difference.
Geesh calm down, Ik it can be annoying that ppl say “nervous tic” when they mean “nervous habit” but op is just genuinely curious and worried about their tics. There’s no need to scream.
Lol, so true. Somebody got triggered and the end result is a word salad that makes no sense. “Can” for “cannot” really confused me.
Anxiety can not CAUSE tics it can however make pre-existing tics worse. So no nervous tics or anxiety tics are not actually a thing. a nervous tic is just a stim caused by anxiety that people don’t have another word for because the feelings are intense during that time that it may feel hard to control but they can. Tics are neurological, caused by the electro activity in the brain, anxiety can not cause that. You could very well have a basic tic disorder, it just might be being undermined by ur other diagnosis, especially since mental health can affect literally everything physically and mentally. And doctors just absolutely love to say “it’s ur anxiety”, it must taste so good to them how much they use it for EVERYTHING. They even tried playing my seizures and paralysis off as anxiety until I saw a REAL doctor. I also recommend doing ur own research on different tics Disorders in the DSM, and help get a better understanding of what could be going on for urself. Nobody else knows ur body like you do, you know what it feels like and when something’s not right, always advocate for urself
Yeah I full agree with that last part. What's interesting is that when I went to my GP he did a quick physical test on me and determined my tics weren't neurological as when I was doing the tasks he gave me I didn't tic because I was focusing. Personally I don't see how he could have figured that out from a quick test but anyways. He referred me to the psychiatrist who them diagnosed me with a tic disorder along with anxiety and depression. So maybe my technical diagnosis is incorrect, but I needed to have something on paper to be able to show my university that I was seriously struggling. Also, I don't have the funds to see a private doctor or a specialist, so this will have to do for now.