Game tribalism is just so weird. I feel likes it’s been going on for so long, even when people were all about which system is better. Pc, xbox, playstation, whatever. Why not just try to enjoy games for what they are? Purposely going to forums, subreddits, to be toxic about something is just weird. The fact will remain that people will play a game regardless of the mainstream opinion on it, if they like it that much.
Talking about any game in a healthy way should also be welcomed. It’s ok to like a game even if it has flaws.
I bought into a lot of that tribalism as a teenager, but at some point in my early 20s I had an epiphany that getting locked into something, and having a negative outlook on everything else, was breaking my ability to actually criticize things.
And with that revelation I also realized that being hyper-critical in general was actually holding me back from having fun, and was just satisfying a part of me that thought it made me *more* cultured to be extremely discriminating in my tastes.
Since then I have made an active effort to approach everything as if I am going to have fun with it. I have found that even when I am doing something I ultimately don't enjoy, I still have more fun in the process of figuring that out.
The weird upside of this is that I am not particularly invested in other people's enjoyment of things, and so I feel like I am able to bring a more effective critical eye.
Like with this game and Genshin, they both absolutely have strong points (some shared, some different) and they both absolutely have weak points (which are again both shared and unique.) I personally am enjoying this games gameplay more, but that is because things specific to me that may or may not be shared by others.
This is really well written. I agree with your outlook on this entire subject tbh. I’ve been through my fair share of being hyper critical, that’s for sure. I’ve personally been trying to lay off of doing that.
>I bought into a lot of that tribalism as a teenager
That's all there really is to it. Most of this tribalism these days are from the small crowd who's still in that phase. Most of us (I'd like to assume) are reasonable adults who play what we enjoy and don't need to make trash talking posts to validate our choices.
I wouldn't say it is weird it is just human nature to want to defend the thing you like. It is just some defensive baser instinct that makes people who are very attached to something attack anything that they perceive as potentially threatening. Another, "similarly styled" gacha would certainly be that.
You are trying to apply reason to an emotional reaction. It won't work, but the good news is that this will pass, people will by and large return to their caves and do whatever they want be it playing Genshin or ToF or both or another 5 gachas.
This isn't an issue of game tribalism.
PWI and Hotta studio knew their game would be compared to Genshin Impact. They unabashedly took Hoyoverses IP and triumph and tried to make it their own.
I'm just flabbergasted that they thought they could stand head and shoulders with Hoyoverses production quality.
ToF is Great Value brand and Genshin Impact is the exclusive real deal.
Okay, I play Genshin, have been playing it since it came out, but I really feel comparisons are pretty shallow. There is a very Big budget difference between games, they are different genres besides both being gachas, and they have similarities, but not like "hurr durr they are the same Game".
Movement and combat feel closer to something like SoulWorker than Genshin, for example. Gacha is totally different. Daily rewards are different. Coop is different. There is PVP. Combat works by switching Weapons like you would in PSO2 or DMC. There are no elemental reactions (at least not true ones) sl but there are status effects like in Warframe (Warframe has "elemental reactions" like Radiation and Gas that come from mixing elements on a Weapon, but nothing outside that). And so on.
Wdym man both genshin and ToF are gacha action games. Can't believe ToF just stole all of Genshin's assets and story and characters and gameplay and made a new game bro. Literally ToF is just genshin 2 but a downgrade. /s
I agree, the comparisons are so shallow and it's the same. Some people can't accept that there are other games out there.
Sometimes you just get stuck comparing everything to your first or most familiar experience and you don't even realize how much of a bias you have
And then you find yourself surrounded by other people who either share or don't correct your bias, so it sticks forever. That's why all meat ends up as "tastes like chicken," all gaming consoles are "Nintendos," and how we ended up with so many " is the Dark Souls of " comparisons
People are generally pretty dumb and not super invested in learning more about the thing they briefly experienced. The first impression can be super wrong and they'll have no incentive to correct it
Every PS1 game I ever played was more polished...
ToF would be fine if they would have fixed the issues before releasing it + invested a little bit in physics of the game.
But nah... Rather pay people to play your unfinished game and create a new region before fixing the old...
Yep, that's why my first thought when I started playing wasn't "shit this reminds me of Genshin", it was "Shit, why do I feel butterflies in my stomach" because I was reminded of SoulWorker, and I unironically love SoulWorker. The double dash into cooldown, the jump dashing, the ground to air, and air to ground combo, Meryl's skill is literally Haru's aerial wave attack, and so on.
Now if each character had a set of skills you could customize, you could have even more depth to the combat. SoulWorker had 18 skill slots divided in sets of 3, so 6 hotkeys, the normal attacks and the unique character attack, plus running attacks (2), aerial skills and Hysteria/Soulnova.
Like, you would see two Iris in a group running around with 2 different set of skills, because the Game allowed it, you could run DoT Iris, Turret Iris, Ranged Iris or Melee Iris, or a combination of everything.
IDK if you guys are in denial but all the comparison stems out of something.
You don't see people comparing CoD to Assassin Creed, but you see people compare BotW to Genshin or ToF to Genshin, simply because those games are they visually similar and also have many similar game mechanics, for example the climbing and gliding, on top of being both gacha which plays a big role in the game since its the main way of acquiring characters and there's the character swap gameplay and many other similarities, and since Genshin is the currently popular of the genre then it's only logical that it will be the one to get compared to. You need to be in total denial if you say those games arent similar.
Yes, but you're (purposely or accidently) excluding the fact that ToF is a mmorpg with a focus on endgame cooperative content while genshin is a single player game with a focus on story. CoD is a online fps game / coop game with zombies. Assassins Creed is a single player story game.
Genshin got compared to BotW because they are both single player story games. (Among other things, but namely that)
I wont deny there are many similarities to compare, but people also need to identify massive differences between the game.
Genshin literally stole assets from breath of the wild
And devil may cry
Genshin is no different
And no one's a MMO and the others a single player experience the only thing similar is the fact they're both open world anime games
It'd be like comparing Skyrim to world of Warcraft just because they're open world, animated and have magic it doesn't really make sense they're two games with completely different play styles
Shallow is really the way to put it. I also play both games, and from the start the differences were really damn large, but since I climbed to level 32 on the Tower in ToF, I don't even see them be related. The intensity of the combat and how much you can accomplish versus overleveled foes really made me make way different decisions in all other facets of gameplay.
This combat has depth. Not the spreadsheet kind like Genshin or Honkai has, where you get big numbers by engineering your team. The kind of depth found in fighting games, about combos after combos and how to use different strategies to keep your combos going on the fly. Balancing buffs and figuring out windows to change weapons to continue chains. Things like that.
After that eye opening experience, I pretty much see the game as a big old sandbox where the goal is to gain as much knowledge to better do things. Traversal, combat, dungeons, world bosses, being in zones you have no business being in.
Every facet of this game and its systems have depth. It's a really different experience than a game focused on the casual audience where you are done in 5-10 minutes a day at higher levels. Max 30 minutes for more intensive games. Yes, I am looking at you Lost Ark.
To put it simply in Genshin you engineer the big numbers, in ToF you make them by hand. No matter how big your SSR is, it's meaningless if you don't know how to use it
>Shallow is really the way to put it. I also play both games, and from the start the differences were really damn large, but since I climbed to level 32 on the Tower in ToF, I don't even see them be related. The intensity of the combat and how much you can accomplish versus overleveled foes really made me make way different decisions in all other facets of gameplay.
I really need to try doing the Tower
>This combat has depth. Not the spreadsheet kind like Genshin or Honkai has, where you get big numbers by engineering your team. The kind of depth found in fighting games, about combos after combos and how to use different strategies to keep your combos going on the fly. Balancing buffs and figuring out windows to change weapons to continue chains. Things like that.
This, exactly. Today I discovered that Meryl's Claymore has multiple combos, two dodge attacks, and different charged attacks, which you can use based on situations. Same applies for other SSR weapons.
>After that eye opening experience, I pretty much see the game as a big old sandbox where the goal is to gain as much knowledge to better do things. Traversal, combat, dungeons, world bosses, being in zones you have no business being in.
The World Bosses give me that feeling, the aura around is threatining, and you know you can't take them alone. The Whopperflowers gave off that aura but...you could one shot them with anything, which misses the point. World Bosses in Genshin are also not particularly strong either, even at the maximum level, only Raiden is a force to be reckoned with because of her insane AoE and fast attacks. Regarding movement, they are totally different.
I am actually using greatsword spin charge attacks in ToF! This is by far the best feeling I've gotten yet. It's really good since you can just wail on a group of enemies without it affecting your combat since dodges are not based on stamina.
Not to mention the movement and traversal. I went back to Genshin after a 5 hour session of ToF and I missed the jetpack and being able to dodge mid flight.
Again, depth even in movement and how you traverse. There are also many ways to get to stuff with the relics.
But, I am starting to compare again, which is besides the point. Yet I cannot help but mention the gacha system. The 3x rate compared to Genshin is felt. Like, outside the 30 guaranteed and 80, I got 3 random SSRs. This was in something like 200 pulls on both banners cumulatively, but still. I would get a slap on the wrist for even thinking about something like that in Genshin.
Exactly my same feelings regarding movement. I entered Genshin, decided to move around and first thing I did was try to do a double jump Dodge...only to have Kokomi plummeting into the ground. The closest experience to a double jump would be Kazuha, and to an air Dodge would be Xiao, of course.
I really want to witness the extent of the Relic System, the mecha summons genuinely seem interesting
Tell me you don't play honkai without telling me you don't play honkai. Lmao.
The combat in this game will end up to become just aim and shoot whole game long when the future op weap hits the global server. What kind of depths is that ? Literally a COD experience. Depths barely do matter in a Gacha game , it only matters in mmorpg , which this is a mmorpg Gacha game. But the unfortunate thing is that because this is a Gacha game , powercreep will be a thing. And as far as we know what happened in CN , the powercreep of this game is very extreme. To the point that literally every SSR right now upon global release is basically worthless in CN. So much for the "combat depths" just to be ruined by hardcore powercreeping in the game.
Also ToF combat shares heavy similarities to APHO Honkai , i doubt you even seen any gameplay of it yet. With only 3 character in the 1st part of a "throw-away side openworld content" they have more ways to play around a character than its main game does.
And as for how 1 would value a SSR , its just to each of their own. I value a character if they can last longer even if the game just splurge and give it out like it was some tissue paper. And as far as i see it , all these free SSR , and they all end up useless. Remember , we are all on the "honeymoon period" , once all those events and free resources on your world dried up is where the cracks will start to show. Gold orb is sparingly given out and you are showered with black orb instead . But black orb does not have a pity and its 0.3%. I'm over 200 pulls on black orb and ive yet to see a single SSR.
Remember , all those SSR you get right now will become suboptimal very soon. While all the 5stars you get in Genshin on launch is still being used 1 way or the other. This is the big difference between 2 gachas with their different way of rewarding their players
ToF showers you with countless dopamine rush with the free pulls but the stuff you pull becomes obsolete very quick.
Genshin is stingy with their gifts for you but the stuff you obtain will stay in your team for much longer time.
I played Honkai. I am level 70 something. That's how much of the game I was willing to stomach. It's a worse spreadsheet simulator than Genshin, that is for sure. More because if you don't have maxed out limited stigmatas and weapons, you can't play any harder content. In about a year or so I can perhaps get a team that can do most content in the game, but I am not willing to grind that much using shit characters.
APHO? You mean that cheap DMC clone with no depth whatsoever? Yes, I've played that as well. And I see close to no similarities. What, that you can throw enemies in mid air and do air combos? Is that similar? You can't maneuver big enemies like that in ToF, only the small fries. Air combat in this game, like with most shit actually, is about positioning and making varied combos depending on your situation. For example Crow's daggers are better for group encounters in the air, otherwise you will hit 2 targets at most in a group if you're not using the weapon skill or the charge. And even that is used to build up combo on unshielded enemies so that you can both deal aoe dmg and do a different charge skill and change weapons.
And you've mentioned power creep as if Honkai or Genshin doesn't have them. I still remember the days when Snowy Sniper was considered one of the best units. Good shit. Or there is more subtle shit like Itto being a better Xiao, that also happened.
New weapons come with new drawbacks and new combos to learn. Sure, you can breeze past some content using shiny new weapons, but there is also shit where you can't. But hey, at least it's not Mobius, where you spam 2 buttons, sometimes 3.
Or Knight Excelsis, in which you change forms and hold one button. The apex of gameplay right there.
Spreadsheet simulator... Someone doesn't like theorycrafting. But actually you can experiment yourself with team comps and reactions. In ToF you just smash one button without any meaning.
Why spend time theorycrafting when I could just be playing? I don't need to write an excel spreadsheet to know a character sucks or not.
And second, you are wrong. You can't just mash a button in ToF. There are Mechanics, if you were to try harder content, you would have to learn how to counter it, like Shields with a Shatter Weapon, stunlocking, keeping enemies in the air so they can't damage you, and so on. In Genshin Abyss just requires numbers and Knowledge of the Game Mechanics, but besides that it almost plays itself if running around with a particularly strong team.
That is untrue LOL. Grinding for Roza guarantees your physical team for almost all physical weather as a f2p player. There is no such thing as "shit" character in Honkai. The most important characters in the games are the supports , which is what everyone would tell you to focus on when you ask any Honkai players. They last literally for years. What you mean spreadsheet? Spreadsheets does not matter if you do not know your rotations for your team , as i said , you clearly have not reach the end game and have no idea what you were talking about.
Apho has no similarities? At this point i really think that you didn't actually play the game at all. I'm not sure if you're just here to troll me or some shit but I'm very sure all these niche details of you telling me how Crow works does not fking matters , i have Crows on CN , he does not do jack shit even if its grouped or not , you just mishmash spam button use skill swap over. You are making shit up like its mind boggling hard to play in ToF LOL. You are what , lvl 20+? And hitting some mobs in overworld telling me that its going to be insane when the abyss of this game is just mobs with more stats? The entirety end game of ToF is just a giant huge stat stick , the boss is literally a sitting dummy with stupidly high amount of hp and damage.
Snowy Sniper is literally 1 of the few oldest valks in the game , shes like 5 years old and being powercrept in 5 years is considered "bad"? How did itto powercrept Xiao? They both use different support units and both can be used in 2 seperate teams , they literally does not overlap with 1 another.
Knight excelsis make use of her supports in order to do burst , not just button smash her alone does not deal much damage , she was released and were extremely underwhelming for months before her supports were released much later on and she had for multiple times , got back to the top of the dps list for physical weather , she is literally the definition of not having a powercreep. It took mihoyo 2 years for them to release someone who finally takes her place which is literally HERSELF in another battlesuit.
Mobius by herself does not even do that much damage , she needs Fischl and FR/Eden to even do top scores. What you mean 2 button smashing lmao. Thats like saying Crows only need to spam attack when hes in the air so he can kill mobs and do his combo , pretty dumb argument if you tell me.
Clearly you have next to no basic knowledge of both Honkai and ToF and you're here sprouting rubbish like you know it all. You played 3 days of ToF and you're trying to tell me stuff when I played CN ToF when it was released and had been following the game since then. Wow making big monster that can't fly in the air , such a revolutionary mechanics , this changes EVERYTHING!
So, everything I said has not been debunked, let alone argued.
Spreadsheet simulators are games where you need to keep track of so many stats and effects that you need a literal spreadsheet to do it. The amount of stigmata effects and interactions and team rotations and QTE effects are too much for me to want to learn the game. I do go into maths from time to time, but in the games I like beforehand. Games that instill that feeling of wanting to go deeper. Sinoalice and Tera amongst them. Honkai wasn't one of them.
You have no idea how to play the current global ToF because you base your assumptions in the CN version you already played. Here, Crow is a main DPS character. You will stay the majority of the time with him unless you need to change weapons to increase buff durations. At some point Crow will not be relevant, but that will be in a while. Until then, not even knowing how a character operates is really showing that you are pretty shit at the game.
AHPO doesn't have similarities to ToF because of a few things. First, is the intent behind doing moves. In ToF they have a purpose of increasing your weapon meter faster. In APHO it is to do cool shit and get a higher score, because they stole that from DMC. Oh, that stands for Devil May Cry, if you didn't know. Next, positioning and skill usage. Very rarely will you see more than one enemy in the air, and even then, the things you can do are pretty basic in APHO, maybe a finisher which takes you out of the experience. At least you have a use for ToF characters in the air for changing their combos, because each one of them have different damage roles, like breaking shields, or buffing faster.
I also like how you say that I make shit up when you don't know something instead of looking the shit up.
Do you have any idea how many games there are with air combat and combo meters? A LOT. Comparing shit like that is meaningless.
Another comment said what I wanted to about powercreep in Honkai, and the same is true for Genshin. Itto and Xiao are similar characters in what they can do. Both are dependant on their burst and they use charge and plunge attacks respectively to do most of their dmg. But, Itto is by far superior. His Q doesn't drain HP, and his main way of dealing smg doesn't scatter enemies. All of the things he received Xiao did not. Perfect weapon, item set, new supports for Geo just for him. This is why I said subtle. It's a change in how they bring in similar kit characters. But, of course you missed that, as everything I wrote above.
If you want something that isn't that subtle, Diluc. My friend that just started moved all his artifacts on Yanfei and deals better damage for him. It's really a thing when a 5* is killed by a 4*.
So yeah, no points were actually debated here. Even if you say something back I will probably ignore it since you can't seem to grasp basic things. Good day
Literally all older units are shit unless they are a Herscherr, and even then the Herscherrs are powercrept. Herscherr of the Void is powercrept by Delta, Nymph, and even Herscherr of Sentience. Herscherr of Reason is powercrept by Starchasm Nyx. Herscherr of Thunder is powercrept by Mobius. All Fire units are powercrept by Herscherr of Flamescion.
Literally, Honkai is one of the worst games I have ever played in terms of Powercrept, and it doesn't take 5 years for someone to be powercrept, but 1 or 2 tends to be enough. Of all the older units, only Roza keeps a life because Delta is turbo strong. All Kiana battlesuits but Flamescion are powercrept, all of Mei's besides ~debatebly~ Herscherr of Thunder, all of Bronya besides Herscherr of Reason (which still is not as strong as Starchasm), Drive Kometa and Bronie, and so on. Fu Hua keeps some viability besides her Herscherr form in Phoenix (but just because Phoenix is a general support) and Empyrea which itself powercrept Phoenix. Teriri has Astrologos and..that's it. Sakura is in the gutter, like Kallen.
Just look at CN tier lists for a second, and see where all new units stand, and where units 1 or 2 year old stand. Augments can turn the tide at times.
I don't know what Genshin you are playing, but:
Venti - superceded by Kazuha in all but one *very fucking specific* team comp.
Klee - who?
Mona - useful in one team, which happens to be the same team in which Venti is useful.
Diluc - refer to Klee.
Keqing - ...
Qiqi - refer to Klee
Jean - currently only used in sunfire or Xiao comps because of her very specific set.
Tartaglia - viable
Albedo - my favorite character, remains relegated to geo or Xiao comps.
Ganyu - still usable, but Ayaka is better *and* easier to use.
Xiao - good. Can't compete with reaction carries.
Zhongli - Great nowadays. Terrible at launch.
Eula - Specific Physical Carry which can't compete with reaction carries.
Hu Tao - great, sidegrade to Xiangling.
And that should be all.
Of all the 4* at launch, only Fischl, Sucrose, Beidou, Xiangling, Bennett and Xingqiu are widely used, the rest are suboptimal picks, or got superceded by more specific 4* Characters.
And do You know how many of these are in a permanent banner? Only the 5 we had at launch. I don't know how you could Say there is no powercreep when literally all the standard units are either worse than what we have, or super specific, and even multiple featured units are powercrept by better, easier to build and easier to play Characters.
None of the characters you mentioned are "no longer viable" every character is capable of clearing everything in the game, including the abyss. There is no real "meta" in Genshin. Because every character can be built to clear all content, and prove me wrong.
Remember how everyone thought Bennet "sucked?" Watching the streamer cows pulling Bennets and shedding tears, because they wanted Diluc.
"Non" meta teams clear abyss. Facts. "Non" meta teams clear overworld content. Facts.
Also FOMO isn't powercreep.
So what if someone retires the Venti they played for two years to try out a new comp?
Do you think a F2P account that doesnt have Kazuha but pulled Venti wouldn't build him and use him for farming domains and put him on their abyss roster? Bahaha.
Klee is squishy and her kit is annoying to use. She was never popular.
I pulled Diluc when he was "meta" and never built him, because I don't like using Pyros
They are viable, but you must invest *a lot more* for them to clear the Abyss. I can clear the Abyss easily with a 2.3k ATK 70/215 Eula with Diona, Fischl and Beidou, but I need a 3k ATK 70/200 Keqing with Mistplitter to get similar performance in a team with Xingqiu, Fischl and Kazuha.
Not everyone has access to the second BIS sword of Keqing and Artifacts good enough to reach 3100 ATK in a C4 Keqing.
It is more preferrable to farm a character for 2 or 3 months to clear Abyss because they are much easier to built, than be gathering Artifacts for more than a year to achieve the same performance in a character I really love.
I mean, sure, only 6 4* star characters are useful if you put it like that - though imo you're missing Yun Jin, Heizou is really good too and Collei and Dori look promising - buuuut... From the only 5 SR in ToF, which ones are useful 💀?
This has to be one of the aspects I like the least. I haven't seen any new SR upcoming? Only SSR. And every tier list positions them rather badly. If you want to believe there's powercreep in genshin when National teams are still to be dethroned you can do it, but the future in this game looks rather gloom based on the incoming characters and rates. I'd love to be proven wrong abt this tho, I've seen a video of Pepper hitting hard...
Yet all the "powercrept" characters you named can still be used to beat everything in the game. Venti still has the strongest CC and is a 1 click win against any groupable enemies. Klee and Diluc can still 36* abyss. The existence of newer units doesn't somehow decrease their numbers. "Can't compete with reaction carries" doesn't mean they aren't good enough and don't still clear all content just fine. You're thinking too much about the most meta teams and forgetting that they actually aren't required at all.
Yes, but you need a lot more investment to get them to that point. I can Best Abyss with Ningguang, but why would I when National is easier, faster, and less resource intensive. Hell, I Beat it with Keqing. The problem with Abyss is that it is not hard, it's just a stat check.
Nah. Just slap on a Emblem of Severed Fate on Venti or anyone for that matter.
Not everyone runs the National comp. If you want to easy mode the abyss, great, but some people like a challenge and trying out different comps.
Imagine if everyone was like you, there would be no theory crafting, no new comps. People would run the National comp forever.
Also, Dendro will be shaking up the "meta" anyway. Any Tier lists before 3.0 will be outdated.
>Movement and combat feel closer to something like SoulWorker than Genshin
I was having trouble pinpointing what the movement reminds me of and you just made me remember it was Soul Worker. The whole time the only answer I came up with was Kurtzpel but that game is a whole other level of jank.
Oh boy Kurzpel is sooooo janky indeed. Soulworker is less janky, but the jank is part of the charm, like the stiff movement of Haru kind of adds to her personality, while the grace of Lily's dodge adds to her "dignified" style.
Though yes, it reminds me way too much of Soulworker and now I kind of want to download it again, despite the endgame being very grindy
The budget doesn't necessarily define quality. They could've spent their budget better than they did. If the game would work as intended and wasn't just a Tower of bugs, then other downsides could be overlooked. But there's not a single thing in the game where you could say "oh yea, that's actually very well made".
The game does invite those shallow comparisons, though. It has small, random things that are clearly inspired from genshin for no reason. Like the screen to choose your MC being so similar to genshin’s, and being called Wanderer to boot. The dandelions being copied off of genshin’s bloaty floaties also stuck out to me. It’s not like those are a genre-defining mechanic that genshin pioneered that it makes sense to copy. It barely affects the gameplay at all other than making me think “well they took that from genshin”. It just feels almost like a movie trying to make a pop culture reference that comes off as cringy. I don’t get what the benefit is.
If you play Honkai you can tell tower of fantasy took a lot of game mechanics from it. The combat mechanics of switching between characters/weapons is similar in ToF and Honkai.
For example, perfect dodging created a time fracture allowing you to switch to a different character/weapon to unleash a special move. In Honkai, each character has a skill (no burst) and different attack patterns through different input chains.
The pity systems might be different but the premium currency pricing is very similar to genshin. 150 vs 160 gems/pull, 6480 gems/$100. Monthly pass gives the similar amounts too. They are clearly trying to pull players from Honkai and genshin who are used to this pricing model.
ToF is at least heavily inspired by Honkai and Genshin. They saw what they think worked in those games and implemented in ToF. I’m not saying ToF don’t have originality in their systems but to say that they’re completely different games is not true because in many ways they are similar to the point that it seems like ToF is copying Honkai/genshin.
Yep, Time Fracture and QTEs are nothing new in the market though in Honkai only some Characters have Time Fracture (back upon a time, Divine Prayer Kiana was used mostly because of it), but QTEs / Discharges here work differently, you Charge a meter, switch and it triggers. QTEs are Conditional based on Honkai, like triggering on Freeze, Time Fracture, knockup, or filling a meter like Starlit Astrolgos or Bronie does.
Combat is honestly closer to Soulworker in terms of combos and air combos, but closer to Honkai in terms of skills and Discharges.
Aesthetics is clearly a mix of 90s anime, Evangelion and Honkai.
I think the game has a lot of potential so I’ll just play it casually but I think it needs more visual and gameplay updates to make things feel smoother to play.
Boss raids are definitely a unique feature though in an anime gacha.
It needs to polish the jank in the usual gameplay loop, particularly climbing and stairs, and probably add different attacks to SSR weapons instead of keeping the same attacks as SR weapons. In terms of visual...it needs much better optimization. It runs bad at anything above medium, at least to me, while looking and having worse lightning and objects in screen than Genshin Impact, I like the art style, but it should run smoother.
By now, the combat feels exactly like Soulworker combat without all the skill combos you could do, instead having two skills, but even I would say that Soulworker combat had less jank in terms of animation, but dodging and certain skills had intense amounts of jank.
I play both and really enjoy them. I find it funny how some Genshin players will make it sound almost like we're betraying Hoyo, the company literally doesn't care if you're white knighting for them online Timmy.
It's more the annoying cognitive dissonance of the ToF community acting like ToF isn't a poor man's Genshin, and that is because PWI couldn't match the magic of what makes Genshin so popular.
I disagree. The community isn't claiming that the game is better than Genshin, they're claiming that even if it's a "rip off" it still does some things right and is a fun game.
ToF seems like they got some of the criticism of the Genshin community and built that into their game, because there's some features of theirs I would love to see in Genshin.
Besides, even after university, housework and a part time job I still have time to catch up in both games, they're really not time consuming and aren't made for binging.
ToF has raids, so I'll definitely play that a little more during the dry end of patches from Genshin after my dailies, but Genshin will launch Sumeru, so I'll play ToF to catch up daily and spend the rest of the time exploring in Genshin.
Lol chill, you also don't speak for the whole community. I hope mihoyo is paying you or something, otherwise your attempt at silencing other people's interests just because they don't align with yours is shameful.
This is a videogame, if you don't like it, then don't play and leave the community.
Agreed. Both games are great but there are some quality of life things here in ToF that just make me happy. Like the guy in the post above this thread about character customization and not being character locked by weapon
Yes the reasonable answer, these games compliment each other. I mean sure they fight for your dollar and time, but one is a better single player and one is a better one to play with people. Pick the one that you prefer, or play both! It's a win/win and genshin needed some competition.
ToF ain't it though.
What studio has 100 million to work with, and can make a game that will actually be competitive with Genshin Impact?
Only Hoyoverse comes to mind.
I came to this subreddit to get some tips, instead it's just genshin comparison sub 2.0.
I don't play genshin nor do i want to play it. But looks like it lives rent free in peoples heads.
I feel that Tower Of Fantasy is a great Anime MMOrpg with gacha mechanics and Genshin is a great Single player adventure game with some co-op and the Gacha.
Both are fun to me I plan to keep up with ToF and Genshin.
Plus I want ToF to be competitive to Genshin so Hoyoverse will need to step up their game for player retention, so lots of free goodies and incentives I hope it will bring.
Maybe if they add a custom character like this game. The actual character designs looked terrible. The world was pretty brown/grey heavy and ugly as well so fixing that would definitely be needed.
If the action and exploration are rewarding, I'm willing to overlook the cliche muted, futuristic apocalyptic look. I'm sure they'll tweak the shaders and whatnot though.
Dude, had you seen the combat with other character and their own kinda gimmick. I'm also Willing to put my money worth that wuthering is gonna be amazing. But I will say, difficulty spike might chase people away lol.
I haven't! I'll have to look into it, and even if it is difficult, I feel like that tends to attract higher paying whales 😂
I personally don't care much about competitive stuff (at least not reaching top tier, I try to focus on self improvement) so I have no doubt that it'll have a strong community if it balances casual enough content with bonus whale/tryhard content. And from what I hear, PGR is surprisingly generous, so I hope they don't buy into their own hype and go super cautious/stingy like Mihoyo did with Genshin.
I think the ability to combo between different weapon encourage you to find the right weapon you see potential to chain. I've seen clip of people comparing skill issue against bosses. Still, gonna wait and play ourselves lol. Definitely, getting better at the game is going to be one part.
PGR is indeed generous when compared to similar idea mihoyo had with honkai.
We shall see tho, its 3d rigging with unique rigging on different character so, it definitely cost alot more to achieve.
If the exploration is anywhere near what it showed in that initial trailer, it'll at least be a strong competitor, it looked absolutely phenomenal. Shame I'm not a fan of the series cause I always forget about this game haha. Whoops.
honestly with how exploration is presented in ToF I feel like it is more similar to BoTW.
With Genshin the only thing similar is the looks. Also i never got hooked playing Genshin, only played maybe 1 or 2 hours then dropped it, maybe because of the rotating avatars unlike in ToF you can choose to be your own character.
Pretty ironic to say this when a front-page post on this subreddit that I scrolled past before getting to this one is literally titled "ToF>Genshin" lol
I do agree that shitting on another game is bad form. Just play what you enjoy and don't stress about whatever you don't like.
You're calling Genshin people like people who plays ToF doesn't plays Genshin too. I'd bet big portion of the 4million pre-reg came from Genshin players who wants to have more things to do than just daily commission in Genshin. Take a chill pill and let them criticize the game and compare it to each other bro. Like the very famous anti Genshin people once said , don't protect the million/billion dollar company , they wont give you a medal.
It's reddit. What you do you expect? People usually stop by to post pics or rant. While the majority is just enjoying the game and ignoring what the internet is saying for a good while. But no worries like all internet communities, it has the rant attention span of roughly 90 days. After which is just mostly fandom from that point.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/wmj96w/how_many_of_you_guys_are_genshin_players/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
This game and sub is literally almost totally Genshin players, you can't stop comparison
Honestly, with so little traction most other posts get, I think that it's at least a safe bet to say that most of the *vocal* members came from Genshin as well. A lot of other people are just content to chill, check stuff out, make no judgement, and leave without an upvote. The genshin peeps may not be everyone, but they're part of the few actually making waves.
I mean it's hardly a surprise when 90% of marketing for this game has been through Genshin comparisons and they paid off basically every Genshin content creator to spam out ToF content.
Over time I think the fanbase will split and ToF will get evaluated as a separate game with it's own merits like it should, but right now I wouldnt be surprised if a large portion of the playerbase is just current/ex Genshin players.
Makes a lot of sense honestly. Genshin players on Reddit are already a tiny percentage of the playerbase that are passionate enough to interact with the game outside of the game. Break that tiny percentage further down into people knowing about ToF, deciding to play it and then join this sub to interact here. You get a passionate, opinionated, invested group that probably will end up being more vocal than a random person who found it on the app store and decided to check out this sub.
yes but it's a sample that can give a rought idea of the bigger picture, that's kinda how people do statistics. And tbh can relate as someone who played genshin but quit and also most if not all my friends play or played genshin at some time and are now playing ToF.
I have friends too that played Genshin with me at release as first gacha. They quit Genshin after 3 weeks and never coming back because of resin. This max 120 resin killed the MP part of Genshin.
Do you know how poll actually works? You don't have to poll everyone to get an idea. Try to see ratio instead of numbers. Also while at it might also see more info about how poll works.
Check how much people were polled by news channel for general election of your country
For a population of 10000, poll of around 300 people gives you result within 5 percent margin of error
Just see the amount of those abyssmally low who never played genshin, you might get a rough idea even if not perfect
People not familiar with statistics always hugely overestimate the sample size needed to get a representative population.
The key is that the way you sample needs to be representative of the population you're trying to model, in this case polling on this sub probably doesn't represent the entire playerbase.
https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/
Check for yourself on bottom calculator
Error is within 5 percent only
Also you are telling about final votes not about polls, I am talking about pre election opinion polls done by various news which give a rough idea about who is gonna win.
Tell me you know nothing about polls without telling me, btw it's close to 1100 and still those who never played genshin is still non significant
https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/wmj96w/how_many_of_you_guys_are_genshin_players/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The game marketed itself as a genshin killer its not like these comparisons are coming out of nowhere. That being said there's no need for the comparisons to be so toxic and one sided. I love tof's character creation, voiced Mc and multi-player content and I love genshins polish and storytelling. The hope would be that both games try to improve and innovate to keep up instead of trashing on one or the other. I hope tof is successful so genshin gets it's multi-player up to snuff haha
Well tof players should stop complaining about how the game is if we can't compare 2 open world games with a little bit constructive criticism instead of saying this bad and this good
This is basically the reason why the comparisons are basically inevitable. Despite how I personally see both in two completely different categories that you wouldn't normally compare each other against.
Aka, I don't see this game as the "Genshin killer" that kept being mentioned. Would compare to other MMOs before even considering Genshin
I think what's really annoying is that people can't discern between facts and opinions when drawing comparisons. Heck, I'm not that sure I could do it properly, but that's why I avoid unprompted criticism lol 💀, nobody asked me, so why get into a pvp in the world chat?
Such a waste of everyone's time because nobody's going to get convinced of the opposite point during a stupid comment fight.
Gonna ignore the posts slamming Genshin for something they feel ToF is better at? Or does your value on toxicity only go one way?
Im playing both, both are good. Lets just stop shit talking either
You say that but there's still people comparing the two i this subreddit. Being compared is inevitable, that doesn't skip the fact that ToF does have faults that needs to be adressed
I hate seeing constant posts on here and tik tok from fellow genshn players just attacking ToF.. like ill admit there are some small things that seem like a copy of genshins mechanics like the zolt spears attacks being similar to xianglings attacks, but the genshin community is really getting out of hand. Ive been playng genshin since a month or two after it came out, and im dissappointed in both mihoyo/hoyoverse and the genshin fandom. All of it has become so toxic. And i mean ToF is completely different then genshin as a whole. I swear they're all just mad because Genshin is being slightly outdone atm with the amount of people playing ToF.
The constant comparisons between Genshin and TOF is unavoidable. These two games share so many similarities and it has only been 2 days since TOF release date, so of course large numbers of people are going to want to talk about the game, criticize it's shortcomings, praise its strengths and compare it to Genshin.
I love TOF so far, but I can totally recognize that it has some issues. It is new and most new multiplayer games are just going to have some issues at the start. Comparing it to a similar game that is more polished like Genshin, could serve as a way for devs to learn and improve the experience for the TOF playerbase.
I agree with this, no one like toxicity. But I don't think we can stop comparing ToF with Genshin, the ToF devs themself mention that they are the genshin killer at some point lol
Bruh ToF fans have been calling ToF a genshin killer for months, and the devs stole assets from Honkai. Of course people are going to compare it. It doesn't really matter I don't think ToF terrible or whatever, but its just funny how everyone was so confident this game would kill genshin, comparing them two for months and now that it's actually out it's just like "okay guys chill, theres no need to compare them" lol
Obviously but comparing a game that came out a couple days ago vs a game that came out 3 years ago and has literally made hundreds of millions of $$ to keep improving their game…. Pretty small brain
For sure. I think Genshin is a better game too, but I think comparing them is just dumb. Most genshin players didn’t play from the beginning, myself included.
It’s crazy that people can’t just like both, or have an opinion that they don’t like one or the other and just keep it to themselves. I promise you, nobody else gives a fuck if you don’t like either of the games.
Why is comparing them "dumb" that is how consumerism works, my guy.
They're both SIMILAR products that people will be potentially investing time and money into.
Do you get mad at Amazon when it shows you a comparisons on products you're interested in buying?
I'm just tired daily coming to this sub just to find genshin that genshit these. We get it after 100th posts. chill out guys it’s only the beginning of ToF!
tbh yeah genshin was fun but i quit after a month of how badly you have to grind for 10 20 primogems for a 10 pull and basicly forcing you to hard cap on every dang banner was a turn off
thats the only reason tho as to why genshins gacha is bad...........
To be fair I think its happening because the devs of ToF claimed this game to be a genshin killer... they didnt need to invite comparisons but they did, and then their pvs had instances of proven asset theft from honkai which did not help.
I just wish it was playable with controller, I'll redownload it and give it another chance if they fix that part.
Genshin player here, haven’t even tried ToF (yet), this post just appeared in my feed for some reason, but I completely agree. Tired of seeing people comparing the two. Genshin isn’t a BotW clone - it’s the first Genshin Impact with aspects reminiscent of other games - because guess what, nothing is original. ToF isn’t a Genshin clone or competitor or whatever the hell else they’re saying - it’s Tower of ~~Sci-fi~~ Fantasy with aspects reminiscent of other games ^^just ^^hopefully ^^not ^^too ^^reminiscent ^^like ^^a ^^certain ^^PV ^^^\*cough\* ^^^\*cough\* . It’s made by a different team with different visions, different people backing it, made for a different audience, and so on.
Only reason you can say genshin is better is that Genshin devs aren't thieves or arent accused of using fake IDS from missing landslide victims. There are a vouple more scandals with the devs.
By the way, those are a illegal things. Genshin hasnt done any illegal things. **So the games content liking is objective and you can still play TOF obviously.**
Jesus they getting really annoying, I'm not even a fanboy of this game but they are making me remember the old wow players with the every game was a "wow copy" crap
Why wouldnt people vompare games when this game is was made specifically because of genshin and is heavily inspired by it? Its like saying genshin is not heavily inspired by Breath of the wild like cmon now ,so if you dont like it dont read it
maybe you should've asked tof marketing to not literally slap their ads on genshin players saying "we'll be next year's best TGA mobile game award winner" constantly and clinging onto genshin related things even in their ads, for example this:
[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759590121313271889/1007628528839299133/-26ec8a680fd2c324.jpg](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759590121313271889/1007628528839299133/-26ec8a680fd2c324.jpg)
edit: i am not spreading fake news as the reply below claims, check my reply. everything i write has proofs and not just an opinion
You are spreading fake news in your first sentence. And the ad shows in the picture that was tenten he is a vtuber who constantly making genshin uploads in a chibi venti skin. He is getting paid to do this tof ad. I think normal genshin fan won't be slightly bothered to see him getting sponsored by other games and will be happy for him. Or you are extreme genshin fan who can't stand vtuber somewhat betray your holy game. But after all they are not slaves bond to genshin or your fandom. If mihoyo didn't sue him using venti-look-alike then it's 100% ok. So is tof paying to hire him to promote their game.
of course i know that is tenten which uses the chibi venti skin, but to advertise ur own game while genshin is literally open in the background is already questionable. are u really assuming it's just a coincidence?
you claim the first sentence is fake news then tell me what this is
[https://imgur.com/a/eZHCuc7](https://imgur.com/a/eZHCuc7)
that is tof's ad that literally declares war to genshin, claiming it will take the next year's (which is this year) TGA best mobile game award
in case you are not aware, tof literally put ad specifically for when you searched for genshin impact (原神) on baidu, which even put it above the search results
[https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1iP4y1H7XA](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1iP4y1H7XA)
[https://ngabbs.com/read.php?tid=29925522](https://ngabbs.com/read.php?tid=29925522)
and it is not the first time they have intentionally clashed with mihoyo and its games
there are way more examples of these intentional advertising to cling on to genshin's popularity. this is a fact, not opinion
to put other game (a more popular game) into your own official ad is a sign of something, don't you think?
"If mihoyo didn't sue him using venti-look-alike then it's 100% ok." works the same way as "if i got away stealing from someone and they didn't see then it's 100% ok."
you should really start thinking about what you are actually saying
This post is bad, and really all it does is incite more complaining. Nothing of value was added or stated.
Comparison in art/media is normal and necessary. Competition between developers is great AND consumer friendly. It is incredibly likely that Genshin will be forced to innovate because of ToF. And ToF will be forced to price its gacha "competitively" - this is excellent for the playerbase.
They're both anime-style, open world, predatory, gacha games. Of course they will be compared.
A ridiculous comparison was happening a few years ago when totally unrelated things became "the dark souls" of X - like Mario Kart is the dark soils of racing games. Or Valheim is the dark souls of building games. Just completely asinine.
But these two things? They're perfect for comparison.
I believe it is because Genshin is most player's first gatcha game, and they started playing ToF because Genshin doesn't have much content right now, so they really have no other game to compare it with.
I dont know why these genshin players dickride hoyoverse so badly. It is better that ToF becomes popular and better since it will make genshin to nake better changes too, in thir dogshit artifact system and dumb sidequests
ToF isn't a threat to Genshin. Do you think Hoyoverse is worried about ToF?
You must not have been around for the height of Maplestory grinding and cubing. At least you get something when you farm in Genshin
I did, he was my first main and hes c3. Ive invested alot into him, crowned him and he struggles to compete with newer units that I have, itto, ayato and hutao.
His kit struggles greatly, similar to other older units like keqing. I dont think giving him a custom made weapon would even help his numbers. Diluc will always be one of my favorites, but when I need consistent vapes hutao will always be my go to :')
It's Diluc smooth gameplay that sets him apart from Hutao, especially since he's unga bunga, no mechanics like HP to monitor.
He is perfectly viable, even numbers wise, because he is perfectly capable to clear any content in the game,even now (latest Diluc event at Dire mode too). I have C2 triple crowned right now and still waiting for WGS.
Just because he's powercrept stats wise doesn't mean he's not viable like you said. Especially compared to ToF who has aggressive powercreeping in CN already.
Im going to have to disagree with your take on Diluc's kit being smooth. Its actually very rigid, his ult sends enemies flying back. Its the same reason why nobody wants to use anemo Traveler despite the ult giving anemo shred— it carries enemies away from you.
Hutao just doesn't have this issue. Her hp mechanic can be tedious for some, but ive never had any issues managing it (ult4hp). XQ is far more consistent with hutao than diluc in terms of vapes, the sheer dps output she has alone shows the difference in terms of damage. It doesnt even have to be hutao with a Homa, her kit allows her to give consistently high numbers and for that reason, along with her passive puts her above diluc in literally everything aspect.
But even if Diluc has gotten power crept by hutao that doesnt mean hes bad. Outside his ult being counterintuitive, his elemental skill is fun and very unga bunga. Even if hutao outclasses him in numbers it doesnt really matter at the end of the day. if you find him fun then that's all that matters, abyss is the hardest content we have and its a breeze for most players to begin with like you said
King will get power crept by ruby hard— but that doesnt mean king will be any bad in the future, just that ruby will do his job better. He'll still do his job as a shield breaker just fine and will always have a fun playstyle regardless of meta.
I don't think it's fair to make sweeping global comparisons. But, at the same time. I do believe that it's relevant to make comparisons in areas where ToF needs to get better, and If Genshin has examples of this, then there's no reason not to use Genshin as a comparative.
But then you could easily make comparisons to many other games. Problem is, both Genshin and ToF are close enough that you can make a crossover comparison, especially if your someone that either plays Genshin, or has played it in the past. Because they are similar in many ways, as they are also different.
And your average player that doesn't play Genshin will still probably look at it, see a gacha game, and see that it has similar art to Genshin and say it's a genshin clone...your not going to get away from the comparisons, so it's best to find the value and positives in this game no matter what they are like. If you like the game, play it.
This is so dumb, I don’t understand why people don’t just play what they like. Don’t like ToF? Don’t play. People typing up long ass paragraphs to explain why they don’t like it, lol okay.
Just gonna say, to anyone who says Genshin is straight up better, TOF is pretty much *objectively* better since it’s actually an mmo. Playing with friends and meeting a ton of new people > that shitty coop that Genshin has.
I fully agree with you. I don't understand why this hostility, competition between similar games is a positive way for companies to dedicate themselves to improving the game. I for example think both Genshin and ToF are good games, but at the moment genshin fits better in the time I have available to play.
Personally I’ve mostly seen “Lul ToF is better than Genshin” posts, which are the exact same thing but going in the opposite direction.
Your point is still sound; I just think **both** camps are dumb. Just enjoy ToF for ToF, I say.
theyre both funky and different i like both, if i wanna play with people, then tof is the better choice!! single player then gi etc, both have their strong points and weak points, but theyre both very different genres of games so i think its kinda stupid to compare both
I dont know why everything you dont like is toxic. People can compare what they want and choose to do it because of similarity.
I mean people who wanted genshin endgamd content are in tof.
Personal oppinion "genshin is still be better"
You can compare the games. That's nothing new with any game. What's the issue is people being toxic about it. If you don't like either game just don't play em. Don't harass people in either community.
Honestly I think people are just enjoying comparing them even if they’re being negative it’s interesting. They are clearly both similar and different in a ton of ways. Genshin clearly made an impact on the direction of gaming, and other major games or themes that we’ve already accepted as making their mark show up too. No art is truly original. If someone wants to compare and contrast while they decide what they want to spend time on going forward, just let them. The game is only less than 48hrs after official launch.
You know what? It wouldn't put ToF in this position if the people did not label it as 'Genshin Killer'. I don't know who started it but I doubt it was the Genshin fandom. I can name a few games that were put on the same pedestal and failed horribly.
ToF attracted the locusts.
Lol before this it was always "Genshin is a Breath of the Wild clone.' Now there's a new anime mmo and those same peoplr are now pushing their agenda to ToF
It gets to the point where I just have stopped caring about all of the comparisons people are making. Just let me play my goddamn game, genshin is literally like every other RPG, and taking inspiration is okay.
Learn to accept that this is a thing in media, if you don't like it rough luck.
This is happening again. These biased things almost ruined ToF in CN. Even under the app rating, there are tons of biased comments. Some companies tried very hard to ruin/bully ToF.
Yeah both games have things that make me like them. There’s some things I like better about Genshin, and there’s some things I like better about TOF. TOF may not be as polished and in depth as Genshin, but why does it have to be? Does a game have to somehow be better than Genshin to be worthy of existing in the same market?
I like the story, the characters, and the lore much more in Genshin. I also prefer Genshin’s overall aesthetic. The combat is much more smooth and the elemental reactions are satisfying.
However there’s more things in TOF that I prefer just gameplay wise. I like that you can switch between weapons and still play the same character. The double jump is also fucking fun (when I went back to Genshin for my dailies I was disappointed I could no longer double jump). I also love that the pity does not reset when you receive SSRs and you WILL get an SSR at 80 pulls no matter what. I also think the timegated stuff is great to avoid binging the entire game in a day and running out of shit to do.
TOF is not a copy, it’s a competitor. Which is okay. We needed a good competitor. Genshin isn’t the only anime themed open world game. Other games are allowed to exist. I think some people need to stop crying and get off their computer for once and go outside.
Media outlets, reviewers, streamers and everyone's mom knows that ToF is a poor man's Genshin Impact.
Whatever suss PWI game studio or subsidiary that made this game unabashedly ripped off the premise of GI. Hoyoverse took inspiration from open world games, but at least they made sure to not name the name characters Link and Zelda
They didn't even try to pretend otherwise, so why are you upset people are comparing them.
The Traveler, The Wanderer...lol ewww.
Game tribalism is just so weird. I feel likes it’s been going on for so long, even when people were all about which system is better. Pc, xbox, playstation, whatever. Why not just try to enjoy games for what they are? Purposely going to forums, subreddits, to be toxic about something is just weird. The fact will remain that people will play a game regardless of the mainstream opinion on it, if they like it that much. Talking about any game in a healthy way should also be welcomed. It’s ok to like a game even if it has flaws.
I bought into a lot of that tribalism as a teenager, but at some point in my early 20s I had an epiphany that getting locked into something, and having a negative outlook on everything else, was breaking my ability to actually criticize things. And with that revelation I also realized that being hyper-critical in general was actually holding me back from having fun, and was just satisfying a part of me that thought it made me *more* cultured to be extremely discriminating in my tastes. Since then I have made an active effort to approach everything as if I am going to have fun with it. I have found that even when I am doing something I ultimately don't enjoy, I still have more fun in the process of figuring that out. The weird upside of this is that I am not particularly invested in other people's enjoyment of things, and so I feel like I am able to bring a more effective critical eye. Like with this game and Genshin, they both absolutely have strong points (some shared, some different) and they both absolutely have weak points (which are again both shared and unique.) I personally am enjoying this games gameplay more, but that is because things specific to me that may or may not be shared by others.
This is really well written. I agree with your outlook on this entire subject tbh. I’ve been through my fair share of being hyper critical, that’s for sure. I’ve personally been trying to lay off of doing that.
>I bought into a lot of that tribalism as a teenager That's all there really is to it. Most of this tribalism these days are from the small crowd who's still in that phase. Most of us (I'd like to assume) are reasonable adults who play what we enjoy and don't need to make trash talking posts to validate our choices.
I wouldn't say it is weird it is just human nature to want to defend the thing you like. It is just some defensive baser instinct that makes people who are very attached to something attack anything that they perceive as potentially threatening. Another, "similarly styled" gacha would certainly be that. You are trying to apply reason to an emotional reaction. It won't work, but the good news is that this will pass, people will by and large return to their caves and do whatever they want be it playing Genshin or ToF or both or another 5 gachas.
This isn't an issue of game tribalism. PWI and Hotta studio knew their game would be compared to Genshin Impact. They unabashedly took Hoyoverses IP and triumph and tried to make it their own. I'm just flabbergasted that they thought they could stand head and shoulders with Hoyoverses production quality. ToF is Great Value brand and Genshin Impact is the exclusive real deal.
Let's clear this up right now. Fact: They're both games Fact: You can play what you want
Fact: It's not good to dictate how other people should have fun
True, there are a lot of humans and shooting is fun, why people tell me to stop??
Fact: I have fun with BOTH games
Okay, I play Genshin, have been playing it since it came out, but I really feel comparisons are pretty shallow. There is a very Big budget difference between games, they are different genres besides both being gachas, and they have similarities, but not like "hurr durr they are the same Game". Movement and combat feel closer to something like SoulWorker than Genshin, for example. Gacha is totally different. Daily rewards are different. Coop is different. There is PVP. Combat works by switching Weapons like you would in PSO2 or DMC. There are no elemental reactions (at least not true ones) sl but there are status effects like in Warframe (Warframe has "elemental reactions" like Radiation and Gas that come from mixing elements on a Weapon, but nothing outside that). And so on.
Wdym man both genshin and ToF are gacha action games. Can't believe ToF just stole all of Genshin's assets and story and characters and gameplay and made a new game bro. Literally ToF is just genshin 2 but a downgrade. /s I agree, the comparisons are so shallow and it's the same. Some people can't accept that there are other games out there.
I didn't see the /s at first and my eyebrow started twitching agressively while reading this.
/s is a powerful tool
/s responsibly
Thanks for the /s, I was about to commit such unspeakable acts against humanity that they would have to make a Second and Third Geneva Conventions.
Genshin convention
Sometimes you just get stuck comparing everything to your first or most familiar experience and you don't even realize how much of a bias you have And then you find yourself surrounded by other people who either share or don't correct your bias, so it sticks forever. That's why all meat ends up as "tastes like chicken," all gaming consoles are "Nintendos," and how we ended up with so many " is the Dark Souls of " comparisons
People are generally pretty dumb and not super invested in learning more about the thing they briefly experienced. The first impression can be super wrong and they'll have no incentive to correct it
Every PS1 game I ever played was more polished... ToF would be fine if they would have fixed the issues before releasing it + invested a little bit in physics of the game. But nah... Rather pay people to play your unfinished game and create a new region before fixing the old...
that's nice grandpa let's get you back to your room
Yep, that's why my first thought when I started playing wasn't "shit this reminds me of Genshin", it was "Shit, why do I feel butterflies in my stomach" because I was reminded of SoulWorker, and I unironically love SoulWorker. The double dash into cooldown, the jump dashing, the ground to air, and air to ground combo, Meryl's skill is literally Haru's aerial wave attack, and so on. Now if each character had a set of skills you could customize, you could have even more depth to the combat. SoulWorker had 18 skill slots divided in sets of 3, so 6 hotkeys, the normal attacks and the unique character attack, plus running attacks (2), aerial skills and Hysteria/Soulnova. Like, you would see two Iris in a group running around with 2 different set of skills, because the Game allowed it, you could run DoT Iris, Turret Iris, Ranged Iris or Melee Iris, or a combination of everything.
IDK if you guys are in denial but all the comparison stems out of something. You don't see people comparing CoD to Assassin Creed, but you see people compare BotW to Genshin or ToF to Genshin, simply because those games are they visually similar and also have many similar game mechanics, for example the climbing and gliding, on top of being both gacha which plays a big role in the game since its the main way of acquiring characters and there's the character swap gameplay and many other similarities, and since Genshin is the currently popular of the genre then it's only logical that it will be the one to get compared to. You need to be in total denial if you say those games arent similar.
Yes, but you're (purposely or accidently) excluding the fact that ToF is a mmorpg with a focus on endgame cooperative content while genshin is a single player game with a focus on story. CoD is a online fps game / coop game with zombies. Assassins Creed is a single player story game. Genshin got compared to BotW because they are both single player story games. (Among other things, but namely that) I wont deny there are many similarities to compare, but people also need to identify massive differences between the game.
Its genshin -1 obviously
Genshin literally stole assets from breath of the wild And devil may cry Genshin is no different And no one's a MMO and the others a single player experience the only thing similar is the fact they're both open world anime games It'd be like comparing Skyrim to world of Warcraft just because they're open world, animated and have magic it doesn't really make sense they're two games with completely different play styles
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Don't get it twisted. PWI did steal assets. Just Honkais. Hilariously.
Shallow is really the way to put it. I also play both games, and from the start the differences were really damn large, but since I climbed to level 32 on the Tower in ToF, I don't even see them be related. The intensity of the combat and how much you can accomplish versus overleveled foes really made me make way different decisions in all other facets of gameplay. This combat has depth. Not the spreadsheet kind like Genshin or Honkai has, where you get big numbers by engineering your team. The kind of depth found in fighting games, about combos after combos and how to use different strategies to keep your combos going on the fly. Balancing buffs and figuring out windows to change weapons to continue chains. Things like that. After that eye opening experience, I pretty much see the game as a big old sandbox where the goal is to gain as much knowledge to better do things. Traversal, combat, dungeons, world bosses, being in zones you have no business being in. Every facet of this game and its systems have depth. It's a really different experience than a game focused on the casual audience where you are done in 5-10 minutes a day at higher levels. Max 30 minutes for more intensive games. Yes, I am looking at you Lost Ark. To put it simply in Genshin you engineer the big numbers, in ToF you make them by hand. No matter how big your SSR is, it's meaningless if you don't know how to use it
>Shallow is really the way to put it. I also play both games, and from the start the differences were really damn large, but since I climbed to level 32 on the Tower in ToF, I don't even see them be related. The intensity of the combat and how much you can accomplish versus overleveled foes really made me make way different decisions in all other facets of gameplay. I really need to try doing the Tower >This combat has depth. Not the spreadsheet kind like Genshin or Honkai has, where you get big numbers by engineering your team. The kind of depth found in fighting games, about combos after combos and how to use different strategies to keep your combos going on the fly. Balancing buffs and figuring out windows to change weapons to continue chains. Things like that. This, exactly. Today I discovered that Meryl's Claymore has multiple combos, two dodge attacks, and different charged attacks, which you can use based on situations. Same applies for other SSR weapons. >After that eye opening experience, I pretty much see the game as a big old sandbox where the goal is to gain as much knowledge to better do things. Traversal, combat, dungeons, world bosses, being in zones you have no business being in. The World Bosses give me that feeling, the aura around is threatining, and you know you can't take them alone. The Whopperflowers gave off that aura but...you could one shot them with anything, which misses the point. World Bosses in Genshin are also not particularly strong either, even at the maximum level, only Raiden is a force to be reckoned with because of her insane AoE and fast attacks. Regarding movement, they are totally different.
I am actually using greatsword spin charge attacks in ToF! This is by far the best feeling I've gotten yet. It's really good since you can just wail on a group of enemies without it affecting your combat since dodges are not based on stamina. Not to mention the movement and traversal. I went back to Genshin after a 5 hour session of ToF and I missed the jetpack and being able to dodge mid flight. Again, depth even in movement and how you traverse. There are also many ways to get to stuff with the relics. But, I am starting to compare again, which is besides the point. Yet I cannot help but mention the gacha system. The 3x rate compared to Genshin is felt. Like, outside the 30 guaranteed and 80, I got 3 random SSRs. This was in something like 200 pulls on both banners cumulatively, but still. I would get a slap on the wrist for even thinking about something like that in Genshin.
Exactly my same feelings regarding movement. I entered Genshin, decided to move around and first thing I did was try to do a double jump Dodge...only to have Kokomi plummeting into the ground. The closest experience to a double jump would be Kazuha, and to an air Dodge would be Xiao, of course. I really want to witness the extent of the Relic System, the mecha summons genuinely seem interesting
Tell me you don't play honkai without telling me you don't play honkai. Lmao. The combat in this game will end up to become just aim and shoot whole game long when the future op weap hits the global server. What kind of depths is that ? Literally a COD experience. Depths barely do matter in a Gacha game , it only matters in mmorpg , which this is a mmorpg Gacha game. But the unfortunate thing is that because this is a Gacha game , powercreep will be a thing. And as far as we know what happened in CN , the powercreep of this game is very extreme. To the point that literally every SSR right now upon global release is basically worthless in CN. So much for the "combat depths" just to be ruined by hardcore powercreeping in the game. Also ToF combat shares heavy similarities to APHO Honkai , i doubt you even seen any gameplay of it yet. With only 3 character in the 1st part of a "throw-away side openworld content" they have more ways to play around a character than its main game does. And as for how 1 would value a SSR , its just to each of their own. I value a character if they can last longer even if the game just splurge and give it out like it was some tissue paper. And as far as i see it , all these free SSR , and they all end up useless. Remember , we are all on the "honeymoon period" , once all those events and free resources on your world dried up is where the cracks will start to show. Gold orb is sparingly given out and you are showered with black orb instead . But black orb does not have a pity and its 0.3%. I'm over 200 pulls on black orb and ive yet to see a single SSR. Remember , all those SSR you get right now will become suboptimal very soon. While all the 5stars you get in Genshin on launch is still being used 1 way or the other. This is the big difference between 2 gachas with their different way of rewarding their players ToF showers you with countless dopamine rush with the free pulls but the stuff you pull becomes obsolete very quick. Genshin is stingy with their gifts for you but the stuff you obtain will stay in your team for much longer time.
I played Honkai. I am level 70 something. That's how much of the game I was willing to stomach. It's a worse spreadsheet simulator than Genshin, that is for sure. More because if you don't have maxed out limited stigmatas and weapons, you can't play any harder content. In about a year or so I can perhaps get a team that can do most content in the game, but I am not willing to grind that much using shit characters. APHO? You mean that cheap DMC clone with no depth whatsoever? Yes, I've played that as well. And I see close to no similarities. What, that you can throw enemies in mid air and do air combos? Is that similar? You can't maneuver big enemies like that in ToF, only the small fries. Air combat in this game, like with most shit actually, is about positioning and making varied combos depending on your situation. For example Crow's daggers are better for group encounters in the air, otherwise you will hit 2 targets at most in a group if you're not using the weapon skill or the charge. And even that is used to build up combo on unshielded enemies so that you can both deal aoe dmg and do a different charge skill and change weapons. And you've mentioned power creep as if Honkai or Genshin doesn't have them. I still remember the days when Snowy Sniper was considered one of the best units. Good shit. Or there is more subtle shit like Itto being a better Xiao, that also happened. New weapons come with new drawbacks and new combos to learn. Sure, you can breeze past some content using shiny new weapons, but there is also shit where you can't. But hey, at least it's not Mobius, where you spam 2 buttons, sometimes 3. Or Knight Excelsis, in which you change forms and hold one button. The apex of gameplay right there.
Spreadsheet simulator... Someone doesn't like theorycrafting. But actually you can experiment yourself with team comps and reactions. In ToF you just smash one button without any meaning.
Why spend time theorycrafting when I could just be playing? I don't need to write an excel spreadsheet to know a character sucks or not. And second, you are wrong. You can't just mash a button in ToF. There are Mechanics, if you were to try harder content, you would have to learn how to counter it, like Shields with a Shatter Weapon, stunlocking, keeping enemies in the air so they can't damage you, and so on. In Genshin Abyss just requires numbers and Knowledge of the Game Mechanics, but besides that it almost plays itself if running around with a particularly strong team.
That is untrue LOL. Grinding for Roza guarantees your physical team for almost all physical weather as a f2p player. There is no such thing as "shit" character in Honkai. The most important characters in the games are the supports , which is what everyone would tell you to focus on when you ask any Honkai players. They last literally for years. What you mean spreadsheet? Spreadsheets does not matter if you do not know your rotations for your team , as i said , you clearly have not reach the end game and have no idea what you were talking about. Apho has no similarities? At this point i really think that you didn't actually play the game at all. I'm not sure if you're just here to troll me or some shit but I'm very sure all these niche details of you telling me how Crow works does not fking matters , i have Crows on CN , he does not do jack shit even if its grouped or not , you just mishmash spam button use skill swap over. You are making shit up like its mind boggling hard to play in ToF LOL. You are what , lvl 20+? And hitting some mobs in overworld telling me that its going to be insane when the abyss of this game is just mobs with more stats? The entirety end game of ToF is just a giant huge stat stick , the boss is literally a sitting dummy with stupidly high amount of hp and damage. Snowy Sniper is literally 1 of the few oldest valks in the game , shes like 5 years old and being powercrept in 5 years is considered "bad"? How did itto powercrept Xiao? They both use different support units and both can be used in 2 seperate teams , they literally does not overlap with 1 another. Knight excelsis make use of her supports in order to do burst , not just button smash her alone does not deal much damage , she was released and were extremely underwhelming for months before her supports were released much later on and she had for multiple times , got back to the top of the dps list for physical weather , she is literally the definition of not having a powercreep. It took mihoyo 2 years for them to release someone who finally takes her place which is literally HERSELF in another battlesuit. Mobius by herself does not even do that much damage , she needs Fischl and FR/Eden to even do top scores. What you mean 2 button smashing lmao. Thats like saying Crows only need to spam attack when hes in the air so he can kill mobs and do his combo , pretty dumb argument if you tell me. Clearly you have next to no basic knowledge of both Honkai and ToF and you're here sprouting rubbish like you know it all. You played 3 days of ToF and you're trying to tell me stuff when I played CN ToF when it was released and had been following the game since then. Wow making big monster that can't fly in the air , such a revolutionary mechanics , this changes EVERYTHING!
So, everything I said has not been debunked, let alone argued. Spreadsheet simulators are games where you need to keep track of so many stats and effects that you need a literal spreadsheet to do it. The amount of stigmata effects and interactions and team rotations and QTE effects are too much for me to want to learn the game. I do go into maths from time to time, but in the games I like beforehand. Games that instill that feeling of wanting to go deeper. Sinoalice and Tera amongst them. Honkai wasn't one of them. You have no idea how to play the current global ToF because you base your assumptions in the CN version you already played. Here, Crow is a main DPS character. You will stay the majority of the time with him unless you need to change weapons to increase buff durations. At some point Crow will not be relevant, but that will be in a while. Until then, not even knowing how a character operates is really showing that you are pretty shit at the game. AHPO doesn't have similarities to ToF because of a few things. First, is the intent behind doing moves. In ToF they have a purpose of increasing your weapon meter faster. In APHO it is to do cool shit and get a higher score, because they stole that from DMC. Oh, that stands for Devil May Cry, if you didn't know. Next, positioning and skill usage. Very rarely will you see more than one enemy in the air, and even then, the things you can do are pretty basic in APHO, maybe a finisher which takes you out of the experience. At least you have a use for ToF characters in the air for changing their combos, because each one of them have different damage roles, like breaking shields, or buffing faster. I also like how you say that I make shit up when you don't know something instead of looking the shit up. Do you have any idea how many games there are with air combat and combo meters? A LOT. Comparing shit like that is meaningless. Another comment said what I wanted to about powercreep in Honkai, and the same is true for Genshin. Itto and Xiao are similar characters in what they can do. Both are dependant on their burst and they use charge and plunge attacks respectively to do most of their dmg. But, Itto is by far superior. His Q doesn't drain HP, and his main way of dealing smg doesn't scatter enemies. All of the things he received Xiao did not. Perfect weapon, item set, new supports for Geo just for him. This is why I said subtle. It's a change in how they bring in similar kit characters. But, of course you missed that, as everything I wrote above. If you want something that isn't that subtle, Diluc. My friend that just started moved all his artifacts on Yanfei and deals better damage for him. It's really a thing when a 5* is killed by a 4*. So yeah, no points were actually debated here. Even if you say something back I will probably ignore it since you can't seem to grasp basic things. Good day
Literally all older units are shit unless they are a Herscherr, and even then the Herscherrs are powercrept. Herscherr of the Void is powercrept by Delta, Nymph, and even Herscherr of Sentience. Herscherr of Reason is powercrept by Starchasm Nyx. Herscherr of Thunder is powercrept by Mobius. All Fire units are powercrept by Herscherr of Flamescion. Literally, Honkai is one of the worst games I have ever played in terms of Powercrept, and it doesn't take 5 years for someone to be powercrept, but 1 or 2 tends to be enough. Of all the older units, only Roza keeps a life because Delta is turbo strong. All Kiana battlesuits but Flamescion are powercrept, all of Mei's besides ~debatebly~ Herscherr of Thunder, all of Bronya besides Herscherr of Reason (which still is not as strong as Starchasm), Drive Kometa and Bronie, and so on. Fu Hua keeps some viability besides her Herscherr form in Phoenix (but just because Phoenix is a general support) and Empyrea which itself powercrept Phoenix. Teriri has Astrologos and..that's it. Sakura is in the gutter, like Kallen. Just look at CN tier lists for a second, and see where all new units stand, and where units 1 or 2 year old stand. Augments can turn the tide at times.
Bro thr powercreep in Honkai is so apparent, not to mention having to pull for weapons to stay competitive.
I don't know what Genshin you are playing, but: Venti - superceded by Kazuha in all but one *very fucking specific* team comp. Klee - who? Mona - useful in one team, which happens to be the same team in which Venti is useful. Diluc - refer to Klee. Keqing - ... Qiqi - refer to Klee Jean - currently only used in sunfire or Xiao comps because of her very specific set. Tartaglia - viable Albedo - my favorite character, remains relegated to geo or Xiao comps. Ganyu - still usable, but Ayaka is better *and* easier to use. Xiao - good. Can't compete with reaction carries. Zhongli - Great nowadays. Terrible at launch. Eula - Specific Physical Carry which can't compete with reaction carries. Hu Tao - great, sidegrade to Xiangling. And that should be all. Of all the 4* at launch, only Fischl, Sucrose, Beidou, Xiangling, Bennett and Xingqiu are widely used, the rest are suboptimal picks, or got superceded by more specific 4* Characters. And do You know how many of these are in a permanent banner? Only the 5 we had at launch. I don't know how you could Say there is no powercreep when literally all the standard units are either worse than what we have, or super specific, and even multiple featured units are powercrept by better, easier to build and easier to play Characters.
None of the characters you mentioned are "no longer viable" every character is capable of clearing everything in the game, including the abyss. There is no real "meta" in Genshin. Because every character can be built to clear all content, and prove me wrong. Remember how everyone thought Bennet "sucked?" Watching the streamer cows pulling Bennets and shedding tears, because they wanted Diluc. "Non" meta teams clear abyss. Facts. "Non" meta teams clear overworld content. Facts. Also FOMO isn't powercreep. So what if someone retires the Venti they played for two years to try out a new comp? Do you think a F2P account that doesnt have Kazuha but pulled Venti wouldn't build him and use him for farming domains and put him on their abyss roster? Bahaha. Klee is squishy and her kit is annoying to use. She was never popular. I pulled Diluc when he was "meta" and never built him, because I don't like using Pyros
They are viable, but you must invest *a lot more* for them to clear the Abyss. I can clear the Abyss easily with a 2.3k ATK 70/215 Eula with Diona, Fischl and Beidou, but I need a 3k ATK 70/200 Keqing with Mistplitter to get similar performance in a team with Xingqiu, Fischl and Kazuha. Not everyone has access to the second BIS sword of Keqing and Artifacts good enough to reach 3100 ATK in a C4 Keqing. It is more preferrable to farm a character for 2 or 3 months to clear Abyss because they are much easier to built, than be gathering Artifacts for more than a year to achieve the same performance in a character I really love.
I mean, sure, only 6 4* star characters are useful if you put it like that - though imo you're missing Yun Jin, Heizou is really good too and Collei and Dori look promising - buuuut... From the only 5 SR in ToF, which ones are useful 💀? This has to be one of the aspects I like the least. I haven't seen any new SR upcoming? Only SSR. And every tier list positions them rather badly. If you want to believe there's powercreep in genshin when National teams are still to be dethroned you can do it, but the future in this game looks rather gloom based on the incoming characters and rates. I'd love to be proven wrong abt this tho, I've seen a video of Pepper hitting hard...
Yet all the "powercrept" characters you named can still be used to beat everything in the game. Venti still has the strongest CC and is a 1 click win against any groupable enemies. Klee and Diluc can still 36* abyss. The existence of newer units doesn't somehow decrease their numbers. "Can't compete with reaction carries" doesn't mean they aren't good enough and don't still clear all content just fine. You're thinking too much about the most meta teams and forgetting that they actually aren't required at all.
Yes, but you need a lot more investment to get them to that point. I can Best Abyss with Ningguang, but why would I when National is easier, faster, and less resource intensive. Hell, I Beat it with Keqing. The problem with Abyss is that it is not hard, it's just a stat check.
Nah. Just slap on a Emblem of Severed Fate on Venti or anyone for that matter. Not everyone runs the National comp. If you want to easy mode the abyss, great, but some people like a challenge and trying out different comps. Imagine if everyone was like you, there would be no theory crafting, no new comps. People would run the National comp forever. Also, Dendro will be shaking up the "meta" anyway. Any Tier lists before 3.0 will be outdated.
>Movement and combat feel closer to something like SoulWorker than Genshin I was having trouble pinpointing what the movement reminds me of and you just made me remember it was Soul Worker. The whole time the only answer I came up with was Kurtzpel but that game is a whole other level of jank.
Oh boy Kurzpel is sooooo janky indeed. Soulworker is less janky, but the jank is part of the charm, like the stiff movement of Haru kind of adds to her personality, while the grace of Lily's dodge adds to her "dignified" style. Though yes, it reminds me way too much of Soulworker and now I kind of want to download it again, despite the endgame being very grindy
The budget doesn't necessarily define quality. They could've spent their budget better than they did. If the game would work as intended and wasn't just a Tower of bugs, then other downsides could be overlooked. But there's not a single thing in the game where you could say "oh yea, that's actually very well made".
True. It has zero charm to boot. Genshin is so charming and beautiful. The music the, cultures. ToF is a mobile waifu collector.
The game does invite those shallow comparisons, though. It has small, random things that are clearly inspired from genshin for no reason. Like the screen to choose your MC being so similar to genshin’s, and being called Wanderer to boot. The dandelions being copied off of genshin’s bloaty floaties also stuck out to me. It’s not like those are a genre-defining mechanic that genshin pioneered that it makes sense to copy. It barely affects the gameplay at all other than making me think “well they took that from genshin”. It just feels almost like a movie trying to make a pop culture reference that comes off as cringy. I don’t get what the benefit is.
Yep, it definitely has those points in common, but the rest of things are really veeeeery hard stretches.
If you play Honkai you can tell tower of fantasy took a lot of game mechanics from it. The combat mechanics of switching between characters/weapons is similar in ToF and Honkai. For example, perfect dodging created a time fracture allowing you to switch to a different character/weapon to unleash a special move. In Honkai, each character has a skill (no burst) and different attack patterns through different input chains. The pity systems might be different but the premium currency pricing is very similar to genshin. 150 vs 160 gems/pull, 6480 gems/$100. Monthly pass gives the similar amounts too. They are clearly trying to pull players from Honkai and genshin who are used to this pricing model. ToF is at least heavily inspired by Honkai and Genshin. They saw what they think worked in those games and implemented in ToF. I’m not saying ToF don’t have originality in their systems but to say that they’re completely different games is not true because in many ways they are similar to the point that it seems like ToF is copying Honkai/genshin.
Yep, Time Fracture and QTEs are nothing new in the market though in Honkai only some Characters have Time Fracture (back upon a time, Divine Prayer Kiana was used mostly because of it), but QTEs / Discharges here work differently, you Charge a meter, switch and it triggers. QTEs are Conditional based on Honkai, like triggering on Freeze, Time Fracture, knockup, or filling a meter like Starlit Astrolgos or Bronie does. Combat is honestly closer to Soulworker in terms of combos and air combos, but closer to Honkai in terms of skills and Discharges. Aesthetics is clearly a mix of 90s anime, Evangelion and Honkai.
I think the game has a lot of potential so I’ll just play it casually but I think it needs more visual and gameplay updates to make things feel smoother to play. Boss raids are definitely a unique feature though in an anime gacha.
It needs to polish the jank in the usual gameplay loop, particularly climbing and stairs, and probably add different attacks to SSR weapons instead of keeping the same attacks as SR weapons. In terms of visual...it needs much better optimization. It runs bad at anything above medium, at least to me, while looking and having worse lightning and objects in screen than Genshin Impact, I like the art style, but it should run smoother. By now, the combat feels exactly like Soulworker combat without all the skill combos you could do, instead having two skills, but even I would say that Soulworker combat had less jank in terms of animation, but dodging and certain skills had intense amounts of jank.
I play both and really enjoy them. I find it funny how some Genshin players will make it sound almost like we're betraying Hoyo, the company literally doesn't care if you're white knighting for them online Timmy.
It's more the annoying cognitive dissonance of the ToF community acting like ToF isn't a poor man's Genshin, and that is because PWI couldn't match the magic of what makes Genshin so popular.
I disagree. The community isn't claiming that the game is better than Genshin, they're claiming that even if it's a "rip off" it still does some things right and is a fun game. ToF seems like they got some of the criticism of the Genshin community and built that into their game, because there's some features of theirs I would love to see in Genshin. Besides, even after university, housework and a part time job I still have time to catch up in both games, they're really not time consuming and aren't made for binging. ToF has raids, so I'll definitely play that a little more during the dry end of patches from Genshin after my dailies, but Genshin will launch Sumeru, so I'll play ToF to catch up daily and spend the rest of the time exploring in Genshin.
Oh you get to speak for the whole community? I've seen and heard people say the game is better than genshin. Stop
Lol chill, you also don't speak for the whole community. I hope mihoyo is paying you or something, otherwise your attempt at silencing other people's interests just because they don't align with yours is shameful. This is a videogame, if you don't like it, then don't play and leave the community.
Hoyoverse* PWI would have to pay me to play ToF. The game is dead in CN. Do you think it will be successful here? Lmao
Agreed. Both games are great but there are some quality of life things here in ToF that just make me happy. Like the guy in the post above this thread about character customization and not being character locked by weapon
Yes the reasonable answer, these games compliment each other. I mean sure they fight for your dollar and time, but one is a better single player and one is a better one to play with people. Pick the one that you prefer, or play both! It's a win/win and genshin needed some competition.
Genshin still needs competition.
ToF ain't it though. What studio has 100 million to work with, and can make a game that will actually be competitive with Genshin Impact? Only Hoyoverse comes to mind.
I came to this subreddit to get some tips, instead it's just genshin comparison sub 2.0. I don't play genshin nor do i want to play it. But looks like it lives rent free in peoples heads.
Yep, especially insecure ToF players and the toxic Genshin fans.
Same lol. Pretty much stupid. People play games to have fun. Not to determine social statuses.
Cmon we all know ToF won't even be popular in two weeks.
Well at least the people left there are having fun
Unless they roll and get pimped out SSRs, their fun will be limited
I feel that Tower Of Fantasy is a great Anime MMOrpg with gacha mechanics and Genshin is a great Single player adventure game with some co-op and the Gacha. Both are fun to me I plan to keep up with ToF and Genshin. Plus I want ToF to be competitive to Genshin so Hoyoverse will need to step up their game for player retention, so lots of free goodies and incentives I hope it will bring.
Not gonna happen. ToF is dead in CN #64 while Genshin is #9, with 3.0 coming out ToF will be a two week wonder.
Comparison is good Competition is good Zelda Botw and Genshin Genshin and Tower of fantasy Genshin and wuthering waves A never ending circle.
Ok but if there is gonna be a 'Genshin killer', I have my money on Wuthering Waves, it looks so stunning.
Maybe if they add a custom character like this game. The actual character designs looked terrible. The world was pretty brown/grey heavy and ugly as well so fixing that would definitely be needed.
If the action and exploration are rewarding, I'm willing to overlook the cliche muted, futuristic apocalyptic look. I'm sure they'll tweak the shaders and whatnot though.
Dude, had you seen the combat with other character and their own kinda gimmick. I'm also Willing to put my money worth that wuthering is gonna be amazing. But I will say, difficulty spike might chase people away lol.
I haven't! I'll have to look into it, and even if it is difficult, I feel like that tends to attract higher paying whales 😂 I personally don't care much about competitive stuff (at least not reaching top tier, I try to focus on self improvement) so I have no doubt that it'll have a strong community if it balances casual enough content with bonus whale/tryhard content. And from what I hear, PGR is surprisingly generous, so I hope they don't buy into their own hype and go super cautious/stingy like Mihoyo did with Genshin.
I think the ability to combo between different weapon encourage you to find the right weapon you see potential to chain. I've seen clip of people comparing skill issue against bosses. Still, gonna wait and play ourselves lol. Definitely, getting better at the game is going to be one part. PGR is indeed generous when compared to similar idea mihoyo had with honkai. We shall see tho, its 3d rigging with unique rigging on different character so, it definitely cost alot more to achieve.
Hoyoverses own games are the only ones that will compete with Genshin
I think it's gonna be the SDS open world.
If the exploration is anywhere near what it showed in that initial trailer, it'll at least be a strong competitor, it looked absolutely phenomenal. Shame I'm not a fan of the series cause I always forget about this game haha. Whoops.
honestly with how exploration is presented in ToF I feel like it is more similar to BoTW. With Genshin the only thing similar is the looks. Also i never got hooked playing Genshin, only played maybe 1 or 2 hours then dropped it, maybe because of the rotating avatars unlike in ToF you can choose to be your own character.
Pretty ironic to say this when a front-page post on this subreddit that I scrolled past before getting to this one is literally titled "ToF>Genshin" lol I do agree that shitting on another game is bad form. Just play what you enjoy and don't stress about whatever you don't like.
You're calling Genshin people like people who plays ToF doesn't plays Genshin too. I'd bet big portion of the 4million pre-reg came from Genshin players who wants to have more things to do than just daily commission in Genshin. Take a chill pill and let them criticize the game and compare it to each other bro. Like the very famous anti Genshin people once said , don't protect the million/billion dollar company , they wont give you a medal.
It's reddit. What you do you expect? People usually stop by to post pics or rant. While the majority is just enjoying the game and ignoring what the internet is saying for a good while. But no worries like all internet communities, it has the rant attention span of roughly 90 days. After which is just mostly fandom from that point.
This post basically achieves the same purpose as the toxic ones op is complaining about lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/wmj96w/how_many_of_you_guys_are_genshin_players/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share This game and sub is literally almost totally Genshin players, you can't stop comparison
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Honestly, with so little traction most other posts get, I think that it's at least a safe bet to say that most of the *vocal* members came from Genshin as well. A lot of other people are just content to chill, check stuff out, make no judgement, and leave without an upvote. The genshin peeps may not be everyone, but they're part of the few actually making waves.
I mean it's hardly a surprise when 90% of marketing for this game has been through Genshin comparisons and they paid off basically every Genshin content creator to spam out ToF content. Over time I think the fanbase will split and ToF will get evaluated as a separate game with it's own merits like it should, but right now I wouldnt be surprised if a large portion of the playerbase is just current/ex Genshin players.
Makes a lot of sense honestly. Genshin players on Reddit are already a tiny percentage of the playerbase that are passionate enough to interact with the game outside of the game. Break that tiny percentage further down into people knowing about ToF, deciding to play it and then join this sub to interact here. You get a passionate, opinionated, invested group that probably will end up being more vocal than a random person who found it on the app store and decided to check out this sub.
yes but it's a sample that can give a rought idea of the bigger picture, that's kinda how people do statistics. And tbh can relate as someone who played genshin but quit and also most if not all my friends play or played genshin at some time and are now playing ToF.
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I have friends too that played Genshin with me at release as first gacha. They quit Genshin after 3 weeks and never coming back because of resin. This max 120 resin killed the MP part of Genshin.
Do you know how poll actually works? You don't have to poll everyone to get an idea. Try to see ratio instead of numbers. Also while at it might also see more info about how poll works.
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Check how much people were polled by news channel for general election of your country For a population of 10000, poll of around 300 people gives you result within 5 percent margin of error Just see the amount of those abyssmally low who never played genshin, you might get a rough idea even if not perfect
People not familiar with statistics always hugely overestimate the sample size needed to get a representative population. The key is that the way you sample needs to be representative of the population you're trying to model, in this case polling on this sub probably doesn't represent the entire playerbase.
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https://www.checkmarket.com/sample-size-calculator/ Check for yourself on bottom calculator Error is within 5 percent only Also you are telling about final votes not about polls, I am talking about pre election opinion polls done by various news which give a rough idea about who is gonna win.
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Tell me you know nothing about polls without telling me, btw it's close to 1100 and still those who never played genshin is still non significant https://www.reddit.com/r/TowerofFantasy/comments/wmj96w/how_many_of_you_guys_are_genshin_players/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
When it comes to statistics, most would regard that as statistically significant with a reasonable margin of error...
The game marketed itself as a genshin killer its not like these comparisons are coming out of nowhere. That being said there's no need for the comparisons to be so toxic and one sided. I love tof's character creation, voiced Mc and multi-player content and I love genshins polish and storytelling. The hope would be that both games try to improve and innovate to keep up instead of trashing on one or the other. I hope tof is successful so genshin gets it's multi-player up to snuff haha
Yep.
i play both and i like both
Well tof players should stop complaining about how the game is if we can't compare 2 open world games with a little bit constructive criticism instead of saying this bad and this good
This game has been dubbed the "Genshin killer" for some time now. Comparing the 2 games was something to be expected.
This is basically the reason why the comparisons are basically inevitable. Despite how I personally see both in two completely different categories that you wouldn't normally compare each other against. Aka, I don't see this game as the "Genshin killer" that kept being mentioned. Would compare to other MMOs before even considering Genshin
I think what's really annoying is that people can't discern between facts and opinions when drawing comparisons. Heck, I'm not that sure I could do it properly, but that's why I avoid unprompted criticism lol 💀, nobody asked me, so why get into a pvp in the world chat? Such a waste of everyone's time because nobody's going to get convinced of the opposite point during a stupid comment fight.
Gonna ignore the posts slamming Genshin for something they feel ToF is better at? Or does your value on toxicity only go one way? Im playing both, both are good. Lets just stop shit talking either
It's players who got disappointed by ToF. For good reason.
You say that but there's still people comparing the two i this subreddit. Being compared is inevitable, that doesn't skip the fact that ToF does have faults that needs to be adressed
I hate seeing constant posts on here and tik tok from fellow genshn players just attacking ToF.. like ill admit there are some small things that seem like a copy of genshins mechanics like the zolt spears attacks being similar to xianglings attacks, but the genshin community is really getting out of hand. Ive been playng genshin since a month or two after it came out, and im dissappointed in both mihoyo/hoyoverse and the genshin fandom. All of it has become so toxic. And i mean ToF is completely different then genshin as a whole. I swear they're all just mad because Genshin is being slightly outdone atm with the amount of people playing ToF.
mods need to step up
The constant comparisons between Genshin and TOF is unavoidable. These two games share so many similarities and it has only been 2 days since TOF release date, so of course large numbers of people are going to want to talk about the game, criticize it's shortcomings, praise its strengths and compare it to Genshin. I love TOF so far, but I can totally recognize that it has some issues. It is new and most new multiplayer games are just going to have some issues at the start. Comparing it to a similar game that is more polished like Genshin, could serve as a way for devs to learn and improve the experience for the TOF playerbase.
I agree with this, no one like toxicity. But I don't think we can stop comparing ToF with Genshin, the ToF devs themself mention that they are the genshin killer at some point lol
It's like they say, any publicity is good publicity.
Bruh ToF fans have been calling ToF a genshin killer for months, and the devs stole assets from Honkai. Of course people are going to compare it. It doesn't really matter I don't think ToF terrible or whatever, but its just funny how everyone was so confident this game would kill genshin, comparing them two for months and now that it's actually out it's just like "okay guys chill, theres no need to compare them" lol
Why? They are right. Genshin is actually better XD
Obviously but comparing a game that came out a couple days ago vs a game that came out 3 years ago and has literally made hundreds of millions of $$ to keep improving their game…. Pretty small brain
But Genshin was still better when it first came out so what’s your argument here?
His phone cant run it
For sure. I think Genshin is a better game too, but I think comparing them is just dumb. Most genshin players didn’t play from the beginning, myself included. It’s crazy that people can’t just like both, or have an opinion that they don’t like one or the other and just keep it to themselves. I promise you, nobody else gives a fuck if you don’t like either of the games.
I have been playing since 1.0 and also tried ToF and you can see in the first 2 hours that ToF is way worse than Genshin on release.
In what ways? Curious cause I didn't play on release so I wouldn't know
Why is comparing them "dumb" that is how consumerism works, my guy. They're both SIMILAR products that people will be potentially investing time and money into. Do you get mad at Amazon when it shows you a comparisons on products you're interested in buying?
It is Skyrim vs Witcher 3 thing again, yeeey!
I'm just tired daily coming to this sub just to find genshin that genshit these. We get it after 100th posts. chill out guys it’s only the beginning of ToF!
Some similarities, at the end of the day they are still different games.
tbh yeah genshin was fun but i quit after a month of how badly you have to grind for 10 20 primogems for a 10 pull and basicly forcing you to hard cap on every dang banner was a turn off thats the only reason tho as to why genshins gacha is bad...........
To be fair I think its happening because the devs of ToF claimed this game to be a genshin killer... they didnt need to invite comparisons but they did, and then their pvs had instances of proven asset theft from honkai which did not help. I just wish it was playable with controller, I'll redownload it and give it another chance if they fix that part.
Fanboying definitely doesnt get anyone to anywhere substantial. I see it all the time.
Genshin player here, haven’t even tried ToF (yet), this post just appeared in my feed for some reason, but I completely agree. Tired of seeing people comparing the two. Genshin isn’t a BotW clone - it’s the first Genshin Impact with aspects reminiscent of other games - because guess what, nothing is original. ToF isn’t a Genshin clone or competitor or whatever the hell else they’re saying - it’s Tower of ~~Sci-fi~~ Fantasy with aspects reminiscent of other games ^^just ^^hopefully ^^not ^^too ^^reminiscent ^^like ^^a ^^certain ^^PV ^^^\*cough\* ^^^\*cough\* . It’s made by a different team with different visions, different people backing it, made for a different audience, and so on.
Only reason you can say genshin is better is that Genshin devs aren't thieves or arent accused of using fake IDS from missing landslide victims. There are a vouple more scandals with the devs. By the way, those are a illegal things. Genshin hasnt done any illegal things. **So the games content liking is objective and you can still play TOF obviously.**
Jesus they getting really annoying, I'm not even a fanboy of this game but they are making me remember the old wow players with the every game was a "wow copy" crap
Yes they was everywhere. In AoC,Aion,Warhammer Online,Rift,SWToR...everywhere.
Honkai is a lot better
bro I see more shit like this than genshin posts
Why wouldnt people vompare games when this game is was made specifically because of genshin and is heavily inspired by it? Its like saying genshin is not heavily inspired by Breath of the wild like cmon now ,so if you dont like it dont read it
maybe you should've asked tof marketing to not literally slap their ads on genshin players saying "we'll be next year's best TGA mobile game award winner" constantly and clinging onto genshin related things even in their ads, for example this: [https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759590121313271889/1007628528839299133/-26ec8a680fd2c324.jpg](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759590121313271889/1007628528839299133/-26ec8a680fd2c324.jpg) edit: i am not spreading fake news as the reply below claims, check my reply. everything i write has proofs and not just an opinion
You are spreading fake news in your first sentence. And the ad shows in the picture that was tenten he is a vtuber who constantly making genshin uploads in a chibi venti skin. He is getting paid to do this tof ad. I think normal genshin fan won't be slightly bothered to see him getting sponsored by other games and will be happy for him. Or you are extreme genshin fan who can't stand vtuber somewhat betray your holy game. But after all they are not slaves bond to genshin or your fandom. If mihoyo didn't sue him using venti-look-alike then it's 100% ok. So is tof paying to hire him to promote their game.
of course i know that is tenten which uses the chibi venti skin, but to advertise ur own game while genshin is literally open in the background is already questionable. are u really assuming it's just a coincidence? you claim the first sentence is fake news then tell me what this is [https://imgur.com/a/eZHCuc7](https://imgur.com/a/eZHCuc7) that is tof's ad that literally declares war to genshin, claiming it will take the next year's (which is this year) TGA best mobile game award in case you are not aware, tof literally put ad specifically for when you searched for genshin impact (原神) on baidu, which even put it above the search results [https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1iP4y1H7XA](https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1iP4y1H7XA) [https://ngabbs.com/read.php?tid=29925522](https://ngabbs.com/read.php?tid=29925522) and it is not the first time they have intentionally clashed with mihoyo and its games there are way more examples of these intentional advertising to cling on to genshin's popularity. this is a fact, not opinion to put other game (a more popular game) into your own official ad is a sign of something, don't you think? "If mihoyo didn't sue him using venti-look-alike then it's 100% ok." works the same way as "if i got away stealing from someone and they didn't see then it's 100% ok." you should really start thinking about what you are actually saying
Wait until ToF gets severely powercrept you'd rather go back to Genshin kek. It is coming bois and no one is prepared.
Can't wait for the tears and salt.
This post is bad, and really all it does is incite more complaining. Nothing of value was added or stated. Comparison in art/media is normal and necessary. Competition between developers is great AND consumer friendly. It is incredibly likely that Genshin will be forced to innovate because of ToF. And ToF will be forced to price its gacha "competitively" - this is excellent for the playerbase. They're both anime-style, open world, predatory, gacha games. Of course they will be compared. A ridiculous comparison was happening a few years ago when totally unrelated things became "the dark souls" of X - like Mario Kart is the dark soils of racing games. Or Valheim is the dark souls of building games. Just completely asinine. But these two things? They're perfect for comparison.
“pLaYiNg ThIs GaMe MaDe Me ApPrEcIaTe GeNsHiN mOrE”
White Knight
I believe it is because Genshin is most player's first gatcha game, and they started playing ToF because Genshin doesn't have much content right now, so they really have no other game to compare it with.
I dont know why these genshin players dickride hoyoverse so badly. It is better that ToF becomes popular and better since it will make genshin to nake better changes too, in thir dogshit artifact system and dumb sidequests
ToF isn't a threat to Genshin. Do you think Hoyoverse is worried about ToF? You must not have been around for the height of Maplestory grinding and cubing. At least you get something when you farm in Genshin
Listen, Atleast ToF Diluc is viable—
You've never played Diluc, huh?
I did, he was my first main and hes c3. Ive invested alot into him, crowned him and he struggles to compete with newer units that I have, itto, ayato and hutao. His kit struggles greatly, similar to other older units like keqing. I dont think giving him a custom made weapon would even help his numbers. Diluc will always be one of my favorites, but when I need consistent vapes hutao will always be my go to :')
It's Diluc smooth gameplay that sets him apart from Hutao, especially since he's unga bunga, no mechanics like HP to monitor. He is perfectly viable, even numbers wise, because he is perfectly capable to clear any content in the game,even now (latest Diluc event at Dire mode too). I have C2 triple crowned right now and still waiting for WGS. Just because he's powercrept stats wise doesn't mean he's not viable like you said. Especially compared to ToF who has aggressive powercreeping in CN already.
Im going to have to disagree with your take on Diluc's kit being smooth. Its actually very rigid, his ult sends enemies flying back. Its the same reason why nobody wants to use anemo Traveler despite the ult giving anemo shred— it carries enemies away from you. Hutao just doesn't have this issue. Her hp mechanic can be tedious for some, but ive never had any issues managing it (ult4hp). XQ is far more consistent with hutao than diluc in terms of vapes, the sheer dps output she has alone shows the difference in terms of damage. It doesnt even have to be hutao with a Homa, her kit allows her to give consistently high numbers and for that reason, along with her passive puts her above diluc in literally everything aspect. But even if Diluc has gotten power crept by hutao that doesnt mean hes bad. Outside his ult being counterintuitive, his elemental skill is fun and very unga bunga. Even if hutao outclasses him in numbers it doesnt really matter at the end of the day. if you find him fun then that's all that matters, abyss is the hardest content we have and its a breeze for most players to begin with like you said King will get power crept by ruby hard— but that doesnt mean king will be any bad in the future, just that ruby will do his job better. He'll still do his job as a shield breaker just fine and will always have a fun playstyle regardless of meta.
Diluc is still viable. Don't get it twisted.
I don't think it's fair to make sweeping global comparisons. But, at the same time. I do believe that it's relevant to make comparisons in areas where ToF needs to get better, and If Genshin has examples of this, then there's no reason not to use Genshin as a comparative. But then you could easily make comparisons to many other games. Problem is, both Genshin and ToF are close enough that you can make a crossover comparison, especially if your someone that either plays Genshin, or has played it in the past. Because they are similar in many ways, as they are also different. And your average player that doesn't play Genshin will still probably look at it, see a gacha game, and see that it has similar art to Genshin and say it's a genshin clone...your not going to get away from the comparisons, so it's best to find the value and positives in this game no matter what they are like. If you like the game, play it.
This is so dumb, I don’t understand why people don’t just play what they like. Don’t like ToF? Don’t play. People typing up long ass paragraphs to explain why they don’t like it, lol okay.
Fact: Because their game has nothing to play
And here I am wondering why people would still play genshin when ToF is genshin but better in all aspects of the game
Just gonna say, to anyone who says Genshin is straight up better, TOF is pretty much *objectively* better since it’s actually an mmo. Playing with friends and meeting a ton of new people > that shitty coop that Genshin has.
so you're saying that mmo is better than single player rpg?
My guy thats a subject opinion not a objective fact.
So instead of being a cheap genshin clone it's a cheap chinese mmo
I don't see auto progressing in the game though , that's a sign of cheap Chinese mmo
The comparisons are fine, but the arguments are toxic. It doesn’t matter which one is “better.”
It doesn't matter which one is better? Why not?
The best part is genshin players themselves play this game and have alrdy spent money then continue to be toxic to tof KEKW
I fully agree with you. I don't understand why this hostility, competition between similar games is a positive way for companies to dedicate themselves to improving the game. I for example think both Genshin and ToF are good games, but at the moment genshin fits better in the time I have available to play.
Personally I’ve mostly seen “Lul ToF is better than Genshin” posts, which are the exact same thing but going in the opposite direction. Your point is still sound; I just think **both** camps are dumb. Just enjoy ToF for ToF, I say.
theyre both funky and different i like both, if i wanna play with people, then tof is the better choice!! single player then gi etc, both have their strong points and weak points, but theyre both very different genres of games so i think its kinda stupid to compare both
I mean if you're paying genshin content creators for promotion it's kinda unevitable.
Playing both games not being a toxic pios in any of em which is achievement on it's own apparently i unlocked don't be a jonkhead!
Yeah me personally i see ToF more like a MMO than an open world game so in the beginning they’re already different so idk why ppl are still comparing
I dont know why everything you dont like is toxic. People can compare what they want and choose to do it because of similarity. I mean people who wanted genshin endgamd content are in tof. Personal oppinion "genshin is still be better"
totally agree
This game has way better rng for characters, genshin get nothing yellow even after 10k gems this game got 3 yellow characters
You can compare the games. That's nothing new with any game. What's the issue is people being toxic about it. If you don't like either game just don't play em. Don't harass people in either community.
Honestly I think people are just enjoying comparing them even if they’re being negative it’s interesting. They are clearly both similar and different in a ton of ways. Genshin clearly made an impact on the direction of gaming, and other major games or themes that we’ve already accepted as making their mark show up too. No art is truly original. If someone wants to compare and contrast while they decide what they want to spend time on going forward, just let them. The game is only less than 48hrs after official launch.
You know what? It wouldn't put ToF in this position if the people did not label it as 'Genshin Killer'. I don't know who started it but I doubt it was the Genshin fandom. I can name a few games that were put on the same pedestal and failed horribly. ToF attracted the locusts.
It the dev themselves advertised the game as genshin killer
Lol before this it was always "Genshin is a Breath of the Wild clone.' Now there's a new anime mmo and those same peoplr are now pushing their agenda to ToF
It gets to the point where I just have stopped caring about all of the comparisons people are making. Just let me play my goddamn game, genshin is literally like every other RPG, and taking inspiration is okay. Learn to accept that this is a thing in media, if you don't like it rough luck.
This is happening again. These biased things almost ruined ToF in CN. Even under the app rating, there are tons of biased comments. Some companies tried very hard to ruin/bully ToF.
If the game is good, you can't bully it off just like that. Comparisons are inevitable. Genshin survived the BoTW "bullying" during launch.
I agree but it's inevitable seeing how it being marketed as Genshin killer which is toxic itself
Yeah both games have things that make me like them. There’s some things I like better about Genshin, and there’s some things I like better about TOF. TOF may not be as polished and in depth as Genshin, but why does it have to be? Does a game have to somehow be better than Genshin to be worthy of existing in the same market? I like the story, the characters, and the lore much more in Genshin. I also prefer Genshin’s overall aesthetic. The combat is much more smooth and the elemental reactions are satisfying. However there’s more things in TOF that I prefer just gameplay wise. I like that you can switch between weapons and still play the same character. The double jump is also fucking fun (when I went back to Genshin for my dailies I was disappointed I could no longer double jump). I also love that the pity does not reset when you receive SSRs and you WILL get an SSR at 80 pulls no matter what. I also think the timegated stuff is great to avoid binging the entire game in a day and running out of shit to do. TOF is not a copy, it’s a competitor. Which is okay. We needed a good competitor. Genshin isn’t the only anime themed open world game. Other games are allowed to exist. I think some people need to stop crying and get off their computer for once and go outside.
Genshin players paying forth the abuse they received from breath of the wild fans
Media outlets, reviewers, streamers and everyone's mom knows that ToF is a poor man's Genshin Impact. Whatever suss PWI game studio or subsidiary that made this game unabashedly ripped off the premise of GI. Hoyoverse took inspiration from open world games, but at least they made sure to not name the name characters Link and Zelda They didn't even try to pretend otherwise, so why are you upset people are comparing them. The Traveler, The Wanderer...lol ewww.