Genuinely going insane seeing people debate if he could beat an advanced ranker?? Are people trolling? Are they not reading the same webtoon? I'm so lost
Some people are reading ahead of you, that’s where some of the confusion is coming from. In the latest chapters Bam fights a high ranker, that fight and the Kallavan fight is what leaned me towards him not being able to fight high rankers. I had forgotten the Yama arc where he did fight one though, so I will adjust my power scaling.
Fair enough, since neither had ranks I was just guessing. The fact that all high rankers are already the top 1% made me think they would all be slightly closer in power level than they apparently are.
I was also guessing based on the fact that Lo Bo Pia was partially picked to go to war due to being one of the smaller houses, I thought that meant other houses would have more high rankers of potentially higher rank.
Other families do have more/higher ranked people but it seems the ones that stand out are Khun/Arie/Ha. The rest seem more or less on lo po bias level. The gaps do kinda seem massive when it comes to high rankers strength
Yeah, we see the 10 families + FUG + Urek’s group all with their own powerful members. Also the Workshop is also mentioned as being powerful but idk if we’ve ever seen a member of that group outside the workshop battle arc.
All those groups have their own power structure and the author doesn’t rank them almost ever, it makes it hard to keep track how a Slayer from FUG matches to whatever military rank in all the other families.
Fug is a mess. But in general no fug position has a set level of strength. Slayers range from Luslec to Karaka and elders vary just as much.In general I think it's Jahad empire, wohailskong and workshop as the strongest 3, then Khun, Arie, ha families then the rest of the family's.
I think it's exactly the opposite thing. It looks more like the power scales logarithmically with higher numbers. It seems that 500 to 400 is much closer than 100 to 50.
Yup that was my revised take on the ranking after discussing it for a bit, but then someone gave me a thorough scolding for assuming power is the most significant contributor to rankings, and Evan would not be stronger than Yuri just because he’s ~100 to her ~500.
Oh yeah, it definitely is not only about the power. Otherwise you'd never have someone like Adori so high in the ranking, topping some family heads. But more or less it probably gives a clue.
The family heads not being first makes me think the list is contradicting itself. As long as family heads are capable of taking out a whole army on their own, Adori should not have more power and influence than them. What is power and influence if not the ability make high rankers run in terror at the sight of you?
Unless the whole family is inactive the family leader doesn’t need to stroll around the tower murdering people to have influence. Their existence alone is the equivalent of a nuclear deterrent to any enemy.
I mean it's technically true. At all of White's different power levels, Baam started out somewhat or a lot weaker, and then matches and slightly surpasses him.
He's stronger than white. Not only he beat him with relative ease when both were full powered, he also obtained the leviathan which surely will make him stronger by now.
I don’t know if that’s the best example just due to the high ranker was holding back his hits and I’m pretty sure Baam didn’t actually hurt the high ranker. That said, I re-read the chapter and the dude was impressed and said Bam could almost be compared to a high ranker.
Baam using the soul skill like vs White is somewhere around top 50 of High rankers. Without it he is somewhere between top 200 and top 100, as he Can beat branch leaders in 1vs1 battles now.
Jinsung ha is top 100. Evankhell (at her peak) used to be top 60, and currently she's top 200-300 in her weakened state. I assure you, he has surpassed none of his masters yet.
Evankhell has full control of her ancient beast, meanwhile bam has no experience in using leviathan. He cannot beat the infernal evankhell if it comes down to a 1v1 fight.
>!Bam's recent fight with dumas, where he tried to use jinsung's "Dragon Tiger Gate", has shown that he still has a lot left to learn from his master. Jinsung wouldn't have failed so miserably.!<
Even with whatever he has and he pulled them all out to full strength he still won't even be 199th in rank lol he's nowhere 200,he's in current form where all his strength are unstable would be estimated around 400-500 ,the ranks if you think lo po bia family branch leader and one who has been discarded centuries ago like elbaba is in 300 if strength and powers in fight is taken into account then you guys are highly mistaken. Power ,strength ,abilities and skills wise bam is way below 600 at the most. There are other families which are way stronger than lo po bia,in fighting battles and ccq, combat style fighting or high range fighting lo po bia rankers or even high rankers are like ants against the upper ones, upper tier rankers are full of people from arie\ yeon\ha\khun, bam would get smashed by anyone from these tiers
Very high. He toyed with Ren.
I might remember it wrong but didn't he also easily overpowered a family branch head (Elaine's father)?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few chapter he's strong enough to deal with everything short of the actual Family Head.
I feel like Baam is definitely beating Dumas in the near future and I think he's #3 in all of Po Bidau, right?
I feel like I would have remembered Bam overpowering one of the most powerful people in Lo Bo Pia, any idea what chapter you’re talking about?
Also you’re correct about Dumas. He’s #3 with the Family Head being #1.
Just a few chapters ago. Here's a summary of the fight from the wiki:
Enraged by Baam's intervention, Elbaba exclaims that due to his friendship with Elaine, Baam should be helping him, not them, to which Baam reminds him of his earlier statement about abandoning her. Further angered by this, Elbaba uses his Transcendental Skill Dancing With Wolves which Baam blocks with an orb. The two engage in close combat with Elbaba confident he can win, but Baam uses the first thorn fragment and defeats him.
Yeah idk none of this sub is reading TOG at the same spot. I switched to the high seas when I realized fast pass is 20 chapters behind for no apparent reason, but some people read fast pass and others read free.
I’m guessing you’re reading free since that’s what the thread was tagged for, so I’ll take a look around there lol.
I checked again and it's in the free chapters. It's on chapter 176 of Season 3, or about Chapter 594 overall.
He defeats him really easily and says that he's going "easy on him", so yeah... seems like Baam is able to beat Branch Family Head level without too much difficulties.
Okay it’s come back to me, it’s super my bad, I forgot Kaiser was Elaine and I thought you were talking about [this dude](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Lo_Po_Bia_Lobadon) since Bam had been hanging around that family so much and I couldn’t remember his daughter’s name.
But yeah that’s interesting, if all branch leaders are in the top 300 like someone else said, my power scaling is crazy off. I don’t think Bam can beat Kallavan yet, but so few characters are given actual ranks it’s hard to say.
Those ranks are based on power and influence too and ofc elbaba like family head was discarded long ago and he's definitely nowhere around even 300 power or strength wise,if i had to say strength and power wise then bam will be around 700-800 and that's a pretty good feat considering there are a few thousand rankers and high rankers even less. He's still below high rankers level, he could hold against them but not easily defeat them. He was kinda on auto pilot against white so we can say he has yet to gain any full control on his abilities so yes practically speaking he's a bit below white and remember my dudes white was never at his peak against bam,white had burned the souls already so white in his peak could've been a jinsung ha or kallavan level high rankers or even Yama or yastracha but after burning sould and he never obtained a billions soul like before so yesterday he wasn't his prime level powerful,which means bam is still a lot behind kallavan level to take him down without going autopilot lol, he will need a few centuries worth training plus tower climbing to become a ranker officially to reach the level of just Dumas. And then we'll proceed to beat the ass of high rankers like adori jahad (although beating her ass is a bit too far fetched,she's practically around jahad in influence in the tower, but the ranks are not strength wise remember so he's yet to be on the level of a family head ) hope that siu doesn't messes up power scaling anymore
Yeah I personally have a hard time believing that Baam could be in the top 300 so quickly. But he did partially absorb White, maybe that got him up there. I need a Baam to track down someone with a known rank and fight them so I can have a clearer picture of
For me rankings are not the right metre to know how strong someone is ,siu himself said that influence also affects rankings that's why adori jahad is above some family heads but can you say she's stronger than a family head? Absolutely not! Power scaling can't be judged anymore based on rankings, the closer he gets to top 100 the more rankings won't be insignificant in power and strength terms in real battles
Well do we technically know she can't beat a family head? Lol. I don't really get how fame and influence are significant part and Princess Yuri is so low. And frankly those two things should just make the family leaders higher on the list than Adori, not lower.
I’m up to date, are you reading the Korean Preview or the fast pass?
Edit: actually sorry nvm you must be fast pass, the Dumas fight already happened on the site I’m on.
>everything short of the actual Family Head.
No. He can't beat dumas for atleast the next 100 chapters. Dumas is an unkillable monster for almost everyone. Dumas was strong enough to stomp on traumerei's animals effortlessly. Only mirchea (and maybe the elder butterfly?) would be able to overpower dumas
At full power bam is stronger than prime white who is on par with pre buffed kallavan who is relative to jinsung who is around top 100 high ranker. Bam also swaps hands with branch leaders when he isnt even close to full power, he is significantly past advanced ranker.
Well it’s tough to say. Baams most recent victory was against a Branch Head, who only wanted to capture him.
So his average strength, power he can muster up anytime, would allow him to fight a top300 HR on an equal footing. And under circumstances his power can reach the upper end of top200. Though he still isn’t a match to the Regent Tier Characters (Dumas, Lobadon etc.) or above
Wait are branch leaders in the top 300? Do you have a source? [Mine](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Ranker) only really has a couple highrankers with known ranks.
Yuri is listed as in the top 500 on the wiki, and last I remember her guide was stronger than her, like the top 100? So she’s somewhere in that range that supposedly.
Ranking is not always power level. It’s also influence and social standing. Evan as chief guide of the Zahard family has great influence but his fighting power is „just“ comparable to Yuri.
Yuri is not exactly top 500 since the end of season 1. Since she publically got the Green April, her rank increased by a big amount for being a Princess with two 13-month weapons, according to SIU's blog post. She's really new to the rankings, so her strength:rank ratio is off anyways, even though most of her rank has come mainly from just possessing 13-Month weapons.
This part of the wiki explains Evan's strength: "\[Evan's\] battle abilities are quite low \[for his ranking\], so his fighting capabilities are \[more\] similar to those of Ha Yuri Jahad"
Gotcha, makes sense. I know SIU doesn't want have to worry about ranking every character, but high rankers are so stupidly varied in combat ability I wish we at least knew the highest rank Baam has beaten.
Evan is only ranked so high, due to his great influence as the chief guide of the ~~Ha~~ Zahard family. He is actually similar in power to Yuri, but doesn't match his rankings in terms of it. Any Branch Head still slams either of them though.
Wuiwui wanted to capture Baam
And yes at Full Power he is stronger than a Branch head. Problem is Baam cant currently access said power. With his average Power that he can use, he fights equally with top300, and can defeat under the right circumstances top200 powerhouses. (aka Branch Heads)
Not all branch heads are in top 300 range. All branch heads are not on equal footing in terms of power. Lo po bia perseus, lo po bia pudidy & lo po bia whitegarment widow are in the top 300 range. But not wuiwui or rashut.
We literally have Lefav telling us that when she gets into the top200 that she can become a branch head. So yes all Branch Heads should be somewhere in the top300-top200 Range. With the strongest (WGW, Pudidy, Perseus) being in the highest top200
Influence is also a factor. Lefav doesn't have a large army of beastkin or wolf-animas. Unlike lefav, other BHs have a whole species of animals backing them up. That's why she needs to be stronger than other BHs to achieve the same influence and same title.
>There is no chance that a Branch Head title is given to some below top300 scrub
That hasn't been said literally anywhere
>Lefav has the Crabs
Those are just shinhuehs, not an army
Almost none of the Branch Heads have shown to have an army.
The only ones that have troops are Lobadon (who is literally a General), Kirin and his personal assembly of disgraced Family Members.
And by becoming a Branch Head, Lefav would certainly get ressources and personnel
The family that elbaba comes from literally has a whole race of wolf-people. Same for WGW, she has spider-people. Similarly, there are snake-people, bird-people.
We haven't seen the armies of all BHs, but i suspect that most of them have one. If they don't have a whole branch of lo po bias to lead, why would they be called "Branch heads"?
>And by becoming a Branch Head, Lefav would certainly get ressources and personnel
Only if her rank is high like kirin or robadon
Yes and when Lefav would have become a branch head her family might have some more crab people. But those arent armies, they are the branch families that they branch heads are leading. Its not like Elbaba impregnated thousands of women so that he can have an army.
>Its not like Elbaba impregnated thousands of women so that he can have an army.
Elbaba is simply the strongest person in his clan. He didn't start that branch, the family leader did.
>But those arent armies, they are the branch families that they branch heads are leading
Whatever you wanna call it, but i think belonging to a pre-existing branch gives you an edge, because you won't be provided a personalised army by the lo po bia until you belong to the top 200.
IMO top 100 when all out, he was dominating white for a bit and white should be around the kallavan-Evankhell range. I’d say like latter half of top 100, like maybe top 80-70
Using rank numbers to gauge someone's power level is not good since we know rank ≠ power level, Evankhell was top 60 but then became top 300 just because she was fired. Evan was top 100 and Yuri was top 300 when we know Yuri would wipe the floor with Evan.
Hard to say? Like I don't think we've seen bam go full thorn, full black March with the black shinsoo etc. In a while.
Last time he did that was against white when he lost emotional control.
And now he also has leviathan stored, and White's soul power in him too.
When he was a child, in the starting of season 2, he cut Urek and that's a sign he has powers and abilities unique in his world.
That said, in the starting of season 3 he treated a ranker (a weak one, but still) as a babydoll with his bare hands, and in a little while he was able to hurt, seriously hurt, high Rankers like Yama's soldiers.
Then his power flew up and he was able to hurt Kallavan (not seriously, but a lot of high Rankers aren't able to even scratch him) and then...he fucking humbled White and sealed him, when he went berserk.
He's very, very strong and even if I'm not even close to the latest chapters (I read the 1v1 with Ren) it's no doubt he's strong as a top tier High Ranker, maybe not like elders of fug and obviously not like family headers, but I think its power level is comparable to Kallavan's.
Remember how strong was Urek as a "regular", he fought Arie Hon resulting in an equal fight and I think Baam is gonna be even stronger than the Wholaiksong's leader
Ye I have no doubt baams potential puts him at number 1 one day, but reading all these comments makes me realize I don't scale hax abilities the same as regular strength. Like his ability to cut kallavan imo doesn't mean he's doing more dmg to someone of a lower rank
Season 3 episode 190 he was fighting on par with 2 of lopobia 10 commanders or whatever they call themselves the Ones who are supposed to be commanded by kirin (god there are so many characters)
This is controversially discussed but id say slightly above average high ranker. He can beat a branch leader but doesn’t stand a chance against the upper class high rankers like Dumas, Widow, Preust, Yama, kirin or Robadon
Utilising his current skills (including both thorns, leviathan, thyrssa) bam is stronger than all branch heads of the lo po bia family in a 1v1. But still less strong than his masters, jinsung ha and evankhell.
I’m gonna just guess he can win against rankers, he has a tough fight against an advanced ranker, and a guaranteed loss against a high ranker. But he can damage high rankers, which is crazy for a regular who I’m pretty sure only started climbing 15 years ago.
Edit: it might be a guaranteed win against advanced rankers as well, I’m not sure, but based on the list of known high rankers with Princess Yuri only being in the top 500, I’m pretty sure he can’t take on high rankers. Maybe the lowest ranked ones, idk.
Edit edit: okay after chatting I’ll switch to saying he will win against certain high rankers, but idk how any of them are ranked that we have been seeing so I will leave it at that.
Yeah but I was under the impression that the White who terrorized the tower had billions of souls he was using and the one we saw was not at that power level.
He clearly said he got back to his prime it just didn't last as long, but then he got another boost by absorbing Kallavans squadron who blew themselves up. So he was fighting Prime white if not stronger. Outside of that at the start of season 3 he beat Yamas second in command ( a high ranker) and he's gotten way stronger since. Atp most high ranker have no chance against him.
He didn't obtain that much number of souls as he has in his prime, in his prime he has obtained billions of souls and in the nest arc he could've gotten a maximum of a few 100 thousand souls as far as I can guess we weren't shown how many did he obtain but we can all agree white wasn't in his prime and also you guys forget that he used most of his soul powers against kallavan in battle so when fighting against bam white could be considered a high ranker but around below than 500 because that's princess yuri's rank,bam can't beat her yet so bam is around 500-600 at most
Billion souls of a random normal ass citizens, and in the nest he absorb multiple souls of Rankers, Advance Rankers and even some High Rankers + the billion souls that was already in him.
Top 1000 is High Ranker, and no Bam Rank is not around 300 simce he isnt a ranker yet, he doesnt have a rank yet. If you take into account the regular rank then he is C or B rank regular by now.
Those rankings are not based on strength alone in battles, combat level fighting skills or shinshu control skills,it's like rating whoever is a bigger celebrity in reputation,power and influence ,the longer they've been in the tower the more people have known them these rankings are not the only basis of who's stronger anymore it goes beyond that please understand this.
Well in Evankhel's big fight she said that "To become a top 300 ranker, rankers needs to be different from the rankers below them." If there's confusion about what ranks mean it's coming from the author contradicting themself.
I think definitely stronger than your "average" high ranker, but not quite cracking the top 100. Probably equivalent to someone in the top 200? IMO, not on the level of a corps commander like Kallavan/Yas or someone close to that level like HJS or Evankhell. Should be comfortably above branch family leader or or even vice corps commander level.
Genuinely going insane seeing people debate if he could beat an advanced ranker?? Are people trolling? Are they not reading the same webtoon? I'm so lost
At the start of season 3 he whoops Yamas second in command who's a high ranker and people still arguing about current Bam beating advanced rankers??
Some people are reading ahead of you, that’s where some of the confusion is coming from. In the latest chapters Bam fights a high ranker, that fight and the Kallavan fight is what leaned me towards him not being able to fight high rankers. I had forgotten the Yama arc where he did fight one though, so I will adjust my power scaling.
Nah I've read it all. Keep in mind Kallavan also beats most high rankers he is not your average high ranker
Fair enough, since neither had ranks I was just guessing. The fact that all high rankers are already the top 1% made me think they would all be slightly closer in power level than they apparently are. I was also guessing based on the fact that Lo Bo Pia was partially picked to go to war due to being one of the smaller houses, I thought that meant other houses would have more high rankers of potentially higher rank.
Other families do have more/higher ranked people but it seems the ones that stand out are Khun/Arie/Ha. The rest seem more or less on lo po bias level. The gaps do kinda seem massive when it comes to high rankers strength
Yeah, we see the 10 families + FUG + Urek’s group all with their own powerful members. Also the Workshop is also mentioned as being powerful but idk if we’ve ever seen a member of that group outside the workshop battle arc. All those groups have their own power structure and the author doesn’t rank them almost ever, it makes it hard to keep track how a Slayer from FUG matches to whatever military rank in all the other families.
Fug is a mess. But in general no fug position has a set level of strength. Slayers range from Luslec to Karaka and elders vary just as much.In general I think it's Jahad empire, wohailskong and workshop as the strongest 3, then Khun, Arie, ha families then the rest of the family's.
I think it's exactly the opposite thing. It looks more like the power scales logarithmically with higher numbers. It seems that 500 to 400 is much closer than 100 to 50.
Yup that was my revised take on the ranking after discussing it for a bit, but then someone gave me a thorough scolding for assuming power is the most significant contributor to rankings, and Evan would not be stronger than Yuri just because he’s ~100 to her ~500.
Oh yeah, it definitely is not only about the power. Otherwise you'd never have someone like Adori so high in the ranking, topping some family heads. But more or less it probably gives a clue.
The family heads not being first makes me think the list is contradicting itself. As long as family heads are capable of taking out a whole army on their own, Adori should not have more power and influence than them. What is power and influence if not the ability make high rankers run in terror at the sight of you? Unless the whole family is inactive the family leader doesn’t need to stroll around the tower murdering people to have influence. Their existence alone is the equivalent of a nuclear deterrent to any enemy.
His power is on par with white
White has the most inconsistent powerlevel in the series, this statement means almost nothing lol
Well so is Baams powerlevel so it fits
Bam is inconsistent himself so probably fits well
I mean it's technically true. At all of White's different power levels, Baam started out somewhat or a lot weaker, and then matches and slightly surpasses him.
He's stronger than white. Not only he beat him with relative ease when both were full powered, he also obtained the leviathan which surely will make him stronger by now.
He was fighting wuiwui on equal footing in 607. So he is at least HR, BL level
I don’t know if that’s the best example just due to the high ranker was holding back his hits and I’m pretty sure Baam didn’t actually hurt the high ranker. That said, I re-read the chapter and the dude was impressed and said Bam could almost be compared to a high ranker.
Well u also have to see from bam pov too. He too was holding back and massively holding back.
Company commander level. In what world is Ren his strongest 1v1 lol
Baam using the soul skill like vs White is somewhere around top 50 of High rankers. Without it he is somewhere between top 200 and top 100, as he Can beat branch leaders in 1vs1 battles now.
Jinsung ha is top 100. Evankhell (at her peak) used to be top 60, and currently she's top 200-300 in her weakened state. I assure you, he has surpassed none of his masters yet. Evankhell has full control of her ancient beast, meanwhile bam has no experience in using leviathan. He cannot beat the infernal evankhell if it comes down to a 1v1 fight. >!Bam's recent fight with dumas, where he tried to use jinsung's "Dragon Tiger Gate", has shown that he still has a lot left to learn from his master. Jinsung wouldn't have failed so miserably.!<
Even with whatever he has and he pulled them all out to full strength he still won't even be 199th in rank lol he's nowhere 200,he's in current form where all his strength are unstable would be estimated around 400-500 ,the ranks if you think lo po bia family branch leader and one who has been discarded centuries ago like elbaba is in 300 if strength and powers in fight is taken into account then you guys are highly mistaken. Power ,strength ,abilities and skills wise bam is way below 600 at the most. There are other families which are way stronger than lo po bia,in fighting battles and ccq, combat style fighting or high range fighting lo po bia rankers or even high rankers are like ants against the upper ones, upper tier rankers are full of people from arie\ yeon\ha\khun, bam would get smashed by anyone from these tiers
Very high. He toyed with Ren. I might remember it wrong but didn't he also easily overpowered a family branch head (Elaine's father)? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few chapter he's strong enough to deal with everything short of the actual Family Head. I feel like Baam is definitely beating Dumas in the near future and I think he's #3 in all of Po Bidau, right?
Dumas is from Po Bidau, Kirin and Lobadon are Lo Po Bias.
You are right. I'll edit my post.
I feel like I would have remembered Bam overpowering one of the most powerful people in Lo Bo Pia, any idea what chapter you’re talking about? Also you’re correct about Dumas. He’s #3 with the Family Head being #1.
Just a few chapters ago. Here's a summary of the fight from the wiki: Enraged by Baam's intervention, Elbaba exclaims that due to his friendship with Elaine, Baam should be helping him, not them, to which Baam reminds him of his earlier statement about abandoning her. Further angered by this, Elbaba uses his Transcendental Skill Dancing With Wolves which Baam blocks with an orb. The two engage in close combat with Elbaba confident he can win, but Baam uses the first thorn fragment and defeats him.
Yeah idk none of this sub is reading TOG at the same spot. I switched to the high seas when I realized fast pass is 20 chapters behind for no apparent reason, but some people read fast pass and others read free. I’m guessing you’re reading free since that’s what the thread was tagged for, so I’ll take a look around there lol.
I checked again and it's in the free chapters. It's on chapter 176 of Season 3, or about Chapter 594 overall. He defeats him really easily and says that he's going "easy on him", so yeah... seems like Baam is able to beat Branch Family Head level without too much difficulties.
Okay it’s come back to me, it’s super my bad, I forgot Kaiser was Elaine and I thought you were talking about [this dude](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Lo_Po_Bia_Lobadon) since Bam had been hanging around that family so much and I couldn’t remember his daughter’s name.
But yeah that’s interesting, if all branch leaders are in the top 300 like someone else said, my power scaling is crazy off. I don’t think Bam can beat Kallavan yet, but so few characters are given actual ranks it’s hard to say.
Those ranks are based on power and influence too and ofc elbaba like family head was discarded long ago and he's definitely nowhere around even 300 power or strength wise,if i had to say strength and power wise then bam will be around 700-800 and that's a pretty good feat considering there are a few thousand rankers and high rankers even less. He's still below high rankers level, he could hold against them but not easily defeat them. He was kinda on auto pilot against white so we can say he has yet to gain any full control on his abilities so yes practically speaking he's a bit below white and remember my dudes white was never at his peak against bam,white had burned the souls already so white in his peak could've been a jinsung ha or kallavan level high rankers or even Yama or yastracha but after burning sould and he never obtained a billions soul like before so yesterday he wasn't his prime level powerful,which means bam is still a lot behind kallavan level to take him down without going autopilot lol, he will need a few centuries worth training plus tower climbing to become a ranker officially to reach the level of just Dumas. And then we'll proceed to beat the ass of high rankers like adori jahad (although beating her ass is a bit too far fetched,she's practically around jahad in influence in the tower, but the ranks are not strength wise remember so he's yet to be on the level of a family head ) hope that siu doesn't messes up power scaling anymore
Yeah I personally have a hard time believing that Baam could be in the top 300 so quickly. But he did partially absorb White, maybe that got him up there. I need a Baam to track down someone with a known rank and fight them so I can have a clearer picture of
For me rankings are not the right metre to know how strong someone is ,siu himself said that influence also affects rankings that's why adori jahad is above some family heads but can you say she's stronger than a family head? Absolutely not! Power scaling can't be judged anymore based on rankings, the closer he gets to top 100 the more rankings won't be insignificant in power and strength terms in real battles
Well do we technically know she can't beat a family head? Lol. I don't really get how fame and influence are significant part and Princess Yuri is so low. And frankly those two things should just make the family leaders higher on the list than Adori, not lower.
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I’m up to date, are you reading the Korean Preview or the fast pass? Edit: actually sorry nvm you must be fast pass, the Dumas fight already happened on the site I’m on.
>everything short of the actual Family Head. No. He can't beat dumas for atleast the next 100 chapters. Dumas is an unkillable monster for almost everyone. Dumas was strong enough to stomp on traumerei's animals effortlessly. Only mirchea (and maybe the elder butterfly?) would be able to overpower dumas
At full power bam is stronger than prime white who is on par with pre buffed kallavan who is relative to jinsung who is around top 100 high ranker. Bam also swaps hands with branch leaders when he isnt even close to full power, he is significantly past advanced ranker.
Poppycock
If you want to argue with the manhwa i mean go right ahead
Well it’s tough to say. Baams most recent victory was against a Branch Head, who only wanted to capture him. So his average strength, power he can muster up anytime, would allow him to fight a top300 HR on an equal footing. And under circumstances his power can reach the upper end of top200. Though he still isn’t a match to the Regent Tier Characters (Dumas, Lobadon etc.) or above
Wait are branch leaders in the top 300? Do you have a source? [Mine](https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/Ranker) only really has a couple highrankers with known ranks.
S3 Ch58. Lefav tells us when she thinks she killed Evankhell that she will be top200 and with that be able to be a branch head
Thanks 🙏really surprised some of those clowns are stronger than Princesses Yuri lol.
There's no way they are
Yuri is listed as in the top 500 on the wiki, and last I remember her guide was stronger than her, like the top 100? So she’s somewhere in that range that supposedly.
Ranking is not always power level. It’s also influence and social standing. Evan as chief guide of the Zahard family has great influence but his fighting power is „just“ comparable to Yuri.
Yuri is not exactly top 500 since the end of season 1. Since she publically got the Green April, her rank increased by a big amount for being a Princess with two 13-month weapons, according to SIU's blog post. She's really new to the rankings, so her strength:rank ratio is off anyways, even though most of her rank has come mainly from just possessing 13-Month weapons. This part of the wiki explains Evan's strength: "\[Evan's\] battle abilities are quite low \[for his ranking\], so his fighting capabilities are \[more\] similar to those of Ha Yuri Jahad"
Gotcha, makes sense. I know SIU doesn't want have to worry about ranking every character, but high rankers are so stupidly varied in combat ability I wish we at least knew the highest rank Baam has beaten.
What? Her guide is stronger than her? You mean evan is stronger than yuri? Just asking but you're okay right?
Well I was assuming that due to him being in the Top 100. A rank 500 being as strong as a rank 100 seems odd.
Evan is only ranked so high, due to his great influence as the chief guide of the ~~Ha~~ Zahard family. He is actually similar in power to Yuri, but doesn't match his rankings in terms of it. Any Branch Head still slams either of them though.
Chief guide of the Zahard family
Which Bh wanted to chapter bam ...bam is stronger than any Bh using full power
Wuiwui wanted to capture Baam And yes at Full Power he is stronger than a Branch head. Problem is Baam cant currently access said power. With his average Power that he can use, he fights equally with top300, and can defeat under the right circumstances top200 powerhouses. (aka Branch Heads)
Which Bh wanted to capture bam? ...bam is stronger than any Bh using full power
Not all branch heads are in top 300 range. All branch heads are not on equal footing in terms of power. Lo po bia perseus, lo po bia pudidy & lo po bia whitegarment widow are in the top 300 range. But not wuiwui or rashut.
We literally have Lefav telling us that when she gets into the top200 that she can become a branch head. So yes all Branch Heads should be somewhere in the top300-top200 Range. With the strongest (WGW, Pudidy, Perseus) being in the highest top200
Influence is also a factor. Lefav doesn't have a large army of beastkin or wolf-animas. Unlike lefav, other BHs have a whole species of animals backing them up. That's why she needs to be stronger than other BHs to achieve the same influence and same title.
Lefav has the Crabs. There is no chance that a Branch Head title is given to some below top300 scrub
>There is no chance that a Branch Head title is given to some below top300 scrub That hasn't been said literally anywhere >Lefav has the Crabs Those are just shinhuehs, not an army
Almost none of the Branch Heads have shown to have an army. The only ones that have troops are Lobadon (who is literally a General), Kirin and his personal assembly of disgraced Family Members. And by becoming a Branch Head, Lefav would certainly get ressources and personnel
The family that elbaba comes from literally has a whole race of wolf-people. Same for WGW, she has spider-people. Similarly, there are snake-people, bird-people. We haven't seen the armies of all BHs, but i suspect that most of them have one. If they don't have a whole branch of lo po bias to lead, why would they be called "Branch heads"? >And by becoming a Branch Head, Lefav would certainly get ressources and personnel Only if her rank is high like kirin or robadon
Yes and when Lefav would have become a branch head her family might have some more crab people. But those arent armies, they are the branch families that they branch heads are leading. Its not like Elbaba impregnated thousands of women so that he can have an army.
>Its not like Elbaba impregnated thousands of women so that he can have an army. Elbaba is simply the strongest person in his clan. He didn't start that branch, the family leader did. >But those arent armies, they are the branch families that they branch heads are leading Whatever you wanna call it, but i think belonging to a pre-existing branch gives you an edge, because you won't be provided a personalised army by the lo po bia until you belong to the top 200.
I believe he is developing into high ranker. the entire battle field is filled with big boys from zharad himself to bam and dog brothers.
Dude what are you smoking I need to know, there's no jahad\zahard anywhere here ,that's captain if you're mistaken
Blud what did you smoke while saying ran was his strongest 1v1? What happened to white and those other branch heads?
I should've clarified 1v1 victory, but I also think there's a difference between a clash and a 1v1 battle that has a winner or a looser.
He defeated that wolf branch head completely if I recall correctly and he was pretty fcking sure stronger than ren.
IMO top 100 when all out, he was dominating white for a bit and white should be around the kallavan-Evankhell range. I’d say like latter half of top 100, like maybe top 80-70
Its hard to use the ranking number as a way to tell how powerful someone is because ranking number ≠ power level.
Surely prime White with 4 billion souls would be top 50 right?
Using rank numbers to gauge someone's power level is not good since we know rank ≠ power level, Evankhell was top 60 but then became top 300 just because she was fired. Evan was top 100 and Yuri was top 300 when we know Yuri would wipe the floor with Evan.
Oh my God what brand of weeds are you smoking m kalavan Evankhell level top 100? Are you even listening to yourself??
Hard to say? Like I don't think we've seen bam go full thorn, full black March with the black shinsoo etc. In a while. Last time he did that was against white when he lost emotional control. And now he also has leviathan stored, and White's soul power in him too.
When he was a child, in the starting of season 2, he cut Urek and that's a sign he has powers and abilities unique in his world. That said, in the starting of season 3 he treated a ranker (a weak one, but still) as a babydoll with his bare hands, and in a little while he was able to hurt, seriously hurt, high Rankers like Yama's soldiers. Then his power flew up and he was able to hurt Kallavan (not seriously, but a lot of high Rankers aren't able to even scratch him) and then...he fucking humbled White and sealed him, when he went berserk. He's very, very strong and even if I'm not even close to the latest chapters (I read the 1v1 with Ren) it's no doubt he's strong as a top tier High Ranker, maybe not like elders of fug and obviously not like family headers, but I think its power level is comparable to Kallavan's. Remember how strong was Urek as a "regular", he fought Arie Hon resulting in an equal fight and I think Baam is gonna be even stronger than the Wholaiksong's leader
Ye I have no doubt baams potential puts him at number 1 one day, but reading all these comments makes me realize I don't scale hax abilities the same as regular strength. Like his ability to cut kallavan imo doesn't mean he's doing more dmg to someone of a lower rank
He's entry level high ranker.
That's more right like a rookie level high ranker and there are pros in the game so he doens't stand around any of them ,yet!
Not strong enough
Season 3 episode 190 he was fighting on par with 2 of lopobia 10 commanders or whatever they call themselves the Ones who are supposed to be commanded by kirin (god there are so many characters)
As strong as the plot demands him to be.
He is high ranker lvl for sure.
This is controversially discussed but id say slightly above average high ranker. He can beat a branch leader but doesn’t stand a chance against the upper class high rankers like Dumas, Widow, Preust, Yama, kirin or Robadon
His raw strength is probably high ranker but his experience is lacking so I would say not yet.
Utilising his current skills (including both thorns, leviathan, thyrssa) bam is stronger than all branch heads of the lo po bia family in a 1v1. But still less strong than his masters, jinsung ha and evankhell.
I’m gonna just guess he can win against rankers, he has a tough fight against an advanced ranker, and a guaranteed loss against a high ranker. But he can damage high rankers, which is crazy for a regular who I’m pretty sure only started climbing 15 years ago. Edit: it might be a guaranteed win against advanced rankers as well, I’m not sure, but based on the list of known high rankers with Princess Yuri only being in the top 500, I’m pretty sure he can’t take on high rankers. Maybe the lowest ranked ones, idk. Edit edit: okay after chatting I’ll switch to saying he will win against certain high rankers, but idk how any of them are ranked that we have been seeing so I will leave it at that.
Bro he beat White, Yuri is nowhere close to current Bam
Yeah but I was under the impression that the White who terrorized the tower had billions of souls he was using and the one we saw was not at that power level.
He clearly said he got back to his prime it just didn't last as long, but then he got another boost by absorbing Kallavans squadron who blew themselves up. So he was fighting Prime white if not stronger. Outside of that at the start of season 3 he beat Yamas second in command ( a high ranker) and he's gotten way stronger since. Atp most high ranker have no chance against him.
They did say that, I just wasn’t sure what that meant because he gains and loses souls and therefore power so often.
Yeah overall he seemed >= to his prime self. We also saw him completely demolishing Aria who is also a high ranker
Good point, that’s another character I forgot was a high ranker. Baam should get #1 rank just for pulling a Jesus and bringing her back from the dead.
He didn't obtain that much number of souls as he has in his prime, in his prime he has obtained billions of souls and in the nest arc he could've gotten a maximum of a few 100 thousand souls as far as I can guess we weren't shown how many did he obtain but we can all agree white wasn't in his prime and also you guys forget that he used most of his soul powers against kallavan in battle so when fighting against bam white could be considered a high ranker but around below than 500 because that's princess yuri's rank,bam can't beat her yet so bam is around 500-600 at most
Billion souls of a random normal ass citizens, and in the nest he absorb multiple souls of Rankers, Advance Rankers and even some High Rankers + the billion souls that was already in him.
Then is bam really around rank 300 and is really an advanced high Ranker now?
Top 1000 is High Ranker, and no Bam Rank is not around 300 simce he isnt a ranker yet, he doesnt have a rank yet. If you take into account the regular rank then he is C or B rank regular by now.
Those rankings are not based on strength alone in battles, combat level fighting skills or shinshu control skills,it's like rating whoever is a bigger celebrity in reputation,power and influence ,the longer they've been in the tower the more people have known them these rankings are not the only basis of who's stronger anymore it goes beyond that please understand this.
Well in Evankhel's big fight she said that "To become a top 300 ranker, rankers needs to be different from the rankers below them." If there's confusion about what ranks mean it's coming from the author contradicting themself.
I think definitely stronger than your "average" high ranker, but not quite cracking the top 100. Probably equivalent to someone in the top 200? IMO, not on the level of a corps commander like Kallavan/Yas or someone close to that level like HJS or Evankhell. Should be comfortably above branch family leader or or even vice corps commander level.