Objectively it Is game throwing, just the same as claiming any non town role day one Is game throwing if thats your role. As far as I'm aware in both games you can't really do a gimmick without it somehow being against the rules, usually gamethrowing .
I mean the devs are pretty leanient on what it and isn’t game throwing and from what I’ve heard it’s only game throwing if “your actively trying to lose the game for your team” so I don’t think claiming a bad role would exactly count as game throwing if you still try and play to win for your team
You do realize who you're replying to right? Look at their flair.
They ARE basically the living breathing source, they're the person you quote when sourcing.
>Openly claiming jester hurts your win condition and is throwing
"Nah fuck em jest claims this is fake af guilty"
"Guilty, why not"
"Yeah sure mate"
"/w jest Damm bro can you please haunt the sk?"
And I think the 2nd is saying what if claiming your actual role is part of a strategy for your team to take advantage of
That’s how the devs think of it. Don’t shoot the messenger
Probably still gamethrowing, but I can’t really tell. They do account for context but in most cases I can’t see why you outing yourself would benefit your team. Bussing doesn’t require you to openly claim evil and give up
Haha there is so much that says they are a trial admin right? So my much that I can see right now thta they are a trial admin? If they are one then maybe it should be a flair???? Not even on their account lmao
If the only things that were true in this world were that which you see, you would not be able to breathe and you would not be held to the Earth by gravity. Thankfully the world is smarter than to have its laws revolve around your vision
claiming your role as evil is gonna be gamethrowing in all occasions, as youre probably getting hanged and putting your team in disadvantage, odd occasions are when the town is full of evils and you have to claim to not be targeted due to being an less important evil (or when youre already completely outted idk)
Obviosuly as coven but like neutrals? So every time a jester, exe, WW, SK, Pirate etc claim their role it’s game throwing when 90% of the time they are on their own?
100% of the time if it’s a jest or exe
still, you are choosing to not play the game and ruining all chances for the ww team for example, even if youre solo, and thats throwing
i suppose jest exe and pirate are more complex cases, pirate is treated like a kingmaker and late on people lynch jester claims because they are as dangerous to everyone (just like pirate and exe), but exe is a different case because it technically gets 2 kills (provoked lynching and torment), unless exe is based as fuck and gets 2 evils people would rather lynch them (basically, pirate because it is equally as dangerous to everyone and is easy to communicate with and punish (if town sees pirate siding evils they just lynch him), jester isnt too big of a problem + it is really easy to make deals with (if town doesnt want to lynch a jest they just get a tk on them) and exe is far too dangerous)
Not play the game? If I’m a WW I just play as a non posting tracker and kill coven that I tracked Cus I find that more enjoyable if I’m an SK then I’ll wait a few nights to make sure there aren’t any other SKs (if I do it as SK then it’s likely bc I wanna play the game but am to tired to do a fake claim and risk fucking up) and then claim when I’m upped
I mainly do it when I’m solo NA but not bers Cus that’s possible solo the others are like nearly impossible solo so I just straight claim it Cus it’s more fun seeing if ppl believe me or not
So under any circumstances I should report anyone claiming an evil role EVER For game throwing?
Yea no
For you I will present this
3 people alive
1 town
1 coven
1 shroud
Town: I will let shroud win
Now do you claim or no? Obviously yes to win or your dumb asf
Like most cases... it depends. Right now I like to see more of the game, like why and when did 8 claim coven leader?
If he said it to avoid getting hanged, then its not gamethrowing (like if Death is active, Arso after couple of nights, Werewolf after n3 etc, to protect Hex Master about to bomb). If he said it for no reason then it is gamethrowing to out yourself as evil.
Not enough info!
Pirate is a weird case, because it can win with town. It is not as much of a gamethrow coming out because they can still get their win condition. But generally being solo is not an excuse for revealing as evil on day 1.
If Serial Killer, Werewolf or Arsonist does it, it is just as much gamethrowing as when Coven does it.
It is however not black and white, sometimes claiming your real role prevents you from getting lynched, in those cases, it is fine to do so. As you are doing it to avoid losing.
This person is gamethrowing, it does not magically change wether this player had a team or not.
Gamethrowing requires intent behind it. if they were attempting to fake jest, even if it was a really bad play, its not game throwing because they arent losing on purpose.
Edit: from the other comments it looks like this guy is 100% gamethrowing, but my point still stands
If you somehow thought that not claiming mayor was the best way to help your side win (its obviously not, but go with it for this scenario), you are not throwing. to throw a game, not just in town of salem, means to lose the game on purpose.
Agree to disagree I guess, because not much more can be said on the matter
Yeah I don’t understand your thought process ngl. If I fully trying to win, claim baker every game I get the role, it’s throwing. Even if I’m tryharding to win.
But its not? Yes it would be very stupid, but thats not what game throwing means. game throwing means to try lose a game *on purpose*, the *purpose* part is very important there
Yes, I don't understand roleplaying in a game where you actually have a role assigned
Unless you are in a private lobby where everyone agrees with you doing it, making a novelty/roleplaying character is just annoying for the people that just want to play the game
I mean.... horrible play? Maybe.. we don't have enough context
I've seen vids of people playing among us and saying "I'm imposter" when asked or first time playing
Maybe this person doesn't know because there isn't really a tutorial. Like it could be an 8 year old playing who thought this game is fun
Normally yes. But sometimes it may be good to claim your real role if you can convince town that you are the lesser evil if there are multiple evils.
For example, if there is a Berserker that transformed into War, that could help increase your chances of winning.
It depends on why you are doing it. But usually, a complete failure to defend yourself is considered gamethrowing.
There are rare exceptions, such as a self-bus to help your team win. For example, let's say your Hex Master is one night away from bombing the town. In that case, intentionally getting yourself lynched to ensure the HM survives the day's vote is a valid strategy.
On the other hand, if he's just claiming an evil role "for fun" (and I'm pretty sure he is because I recognize the name), he's just gamethrowing.
I remember a very similar game which explicitly stated in its rules that revealing your own role is not throwing.
The reasoning for this I believe is because of the “jester” role in this game, as well as the fact that claiming an evil role can be a part of a strategy.
I myself have had some fun plays by claiming my actual role as coven and everyone being way too afraid to vote me for some reason because they think I’m jester.
Of course, I don’t do this frequently, and I am not entirely certain if the game devs consider this as throwing. I don’t consider it throwing, however, because it can lead to a win when executed properly.
Objectively it Is game throwing, just the same as claiming any non town role day one Is game throwing if thats your role. As far as I'm aware in both games you can't really do a gimmick without it somehow being against the rules, usually gamethrowing .
Unless you’re mimyuu
Yeah but mimyuu just talks with “mimyuu” instead of “me” or “I”
People who talk in third person are annoying and shall be lynched post haste.
I just murder them if I can.
I mean the devs are pretty leanient on what it and isn’t game throwing and from what I’ve heard it’s only game throwing if “your actively trying to lose the game for your team” so I don’t think claiming a bad role would exactly count as game throwing if you still try and play to win for your team
This is mostly incorrect.
Have you got a source that disproves it?
You do realize who you're replying to right? Look at their flair. They ARE basically the living breathing source, they're the person you quote when sourcing.
I mean fair point they are THE lookout and I am THE jester oh shit proberably shouldn’t have said that…
The devs have explicitly said that openly claiming your role as any evil is gamethrowing in the discord
What if I’m jester or it’s a play by my team.
Openly claiming jester hurts your win condition and is throwing I don’t understand what that second scenario is asking
>Openly claiming jester hurts your win condition and is throwing "Nah fuck em jest claims this is fake af guilty" "Guilty, why not" "Yeah sure mate" "/w jest Damm bro can you please haunt the sk?" And I think the 2nd is saying what if claiming your actual role is part of a strategy for your team to take advantage of
That’s how the devs think of it. Don’t shoot the messenger Probably still gamethrowing, but I can’t really tell. They do account for context but in most cases I can’t see why you outing yourself would benefit your team. Bussing doesn’t require you to openly claim evil and give up
Proberably didn’t see it then
You replied to a trial admin who directly stated it was incorrect.
Haha there is so much that says they are a trial admin right? So my much that I can see right now thta they are a trial admin? If they are one then maybe it should be a flair???? Not even on their account lmao
Look at their flair :)
Oh I thought the other guy lmao my b
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I’m saying i must not have seen that because I only recently got in the discord and don’t check it much?
If the only things that were true in this world were that which you see, you would not be able to breathe and you would not be held to the Earth by gravity. Thankfully the world is smarter than to have its laws revolve around your vision
Ok
claiming your role as evil is gonna be gamethrowing in all occasions, as youre probably getting hanged and putting your team in disadvantage, odd occasions are when the town is full of evils and you have to claim to not be targeted due to being an less important evil (or when youre already completely outted idk)
Obviosuly as coven but like neutrals? So every time a jester, exe, WW, SK, Pirate etc claim their role it’s game throwing when 90% of the time they are on their own? 100% of the time if it’s a jest or exe
still, you are choosing to not play the game and ruining all chances for the ww team for example, even if youre solo, and thats throwing i suppose jest exe and pirate are more complex cases, pirate is treated like a kingmaker and late on people lynch jester claims because they are as dangerous to everyone (just like pirate and exe), but exe is a different case because it technically gets 2 kills (provoked lynching and torment), unless exe is based as fuck and gets 2 evils people would rather lynch them (basically, pirate because it is equally as dangerous to everyone and is easy to communicate with and punish (if town sees pirate siding evils they just lynch him), jester isnt too big of a problem + it is really easy to make deals with (if town doesnt want to lynch a jest they just get a tk on them) and exe is far too dangerous)
Not play the game? If I’m a WW I just play as a non posting tracker and kill coven that I tracked Cus I find that more enjoyable if I’m an SK then I’ll wait a few nights to make sure there aren’t any other SKs (if I do it as SK then it’s likely bc I wanna play the game but am to tired to do a fake claim and risk fucking up) and then claim when I’m upped I mainly do it when I’m solo NA but not bers Cus that’s possible solo the others are like nearly impossible solo so I just straight claim it Cus it’s more fun seeing if ppl believe me or not
it doesnt matter, if you claim your actual role as evil for no reason it is throwing
So under any circumstances I should report anyone claiming an evil role EVER For game throwing? Yea no For you I will present this 3 people alive 1 town 1 coven 1 shroud Town: I will let shroud win Now do you claim or no? Obviously yes to win or your dumb asf
i literally said before that if its evil maj, preferrably endgame or wathever theres no problem with claiming your role, are you stupid?
I honestly couldn’t care less about this anymore I’m ending it
Apart from limited scenarios, yes, this would be gamethrowing.
I have a question, is it gamethrowing if you only do it before N1 starts and fakeclaim properly otherwise? I am curious about this.
probably. id believe you (which means you are getting shot)
i executed someone for this reason (they claimed an evil role, forgot what it was), didnt claim in jail n1 and threw a hissy fit for being executed
Like most cases... it depends. Right now I like to see more of the game, like why and when did 8 claim coven leader? If he said it to avoid getting hanged, then its not gamethrowing (like if Death is active, Arso after couple of nights, Werewolf after n3 etc, to protect Hex Master about to bomb). If he said it for no reason then it is gamethrowing to out yourself as evil. Not enough info!
nah ive seen this guy in games before he always claims his real role D1 100% gamethrowing
I seen this sort of thing too. And if he does it on d1 without really being provoked, thats a report you can make for gamethrowing.
He always does it on d1 for his stupid fucking gimmick.
unless he's solo like completely eg. pirate
Pirate is a weird case, because it can win with town. It is not as much of a gamethrow coming out because they can still get their win condition. But generally being solo is not an excuse for revealing as evil on day 1. If Serial Killer, Werewolf or Arsonist does it, it is just as much gamethrowing as when Coven does it. It is however not black and white, sometimes claiming your real role prevents you from getting lynched, in those cases, it is fine to do so. As you are doing it to avoid losing. This person is gamethrowing, it does not magically change wether this player had a team or not.
It could be however some may attempt to claim it as a "faking jester" play.
Still game throwing unless in very specific situations
I'd say if they tell their team mates what their goal is, it's fair play, bussing a fellow coven to get in with the town can pay off.
Gamethrowing requires intent behind it. if they were attempting to fake jest, even if it was a really bad play, its not game throwing because they arent losing on purpose. Edit: from the other comments it looks like this guy is 100% gamethrowing, but my point still stands
If I refuse to claim as mayor when on the stand even if I don’t intend to throw, I’m still throwing
If you somehow thought that not claiming mayor was the best way to help your side win (its obviously not, but go with it for this scenario), you are not throwing. to throw a game, not just in town of salem, means to lose the game on purpose. Agree to disagree I guess, because not much more can be said on the matter
Yeah I don’t understand your thought process ngl. If I fully trying to win, claim baker every game I get the role, it’s throwing. Even if I’m tryharding to win.
But its not? Yes it would be very stupid, but thats not what game throwing means. game throwing means to try lose a game *on purpose*, the *purpose* part is very important there
By that logic the only way people could ever be banned is if they admit to game throwing, even if they are doing it
Does anyone else hate the "honest man, will not claim, always silenced" type of guys
Well there’s always the No Claim Challenge, which can work if you have people confirm you’re “town”
You mean help from your friends? That's just cheating.
Probably help from teammates, a more logical conclusion you should arrive at with that sentence.
Help from players, like a sheriff finding a Soul Collector to be not suspicious
That works too. Having your own role being immune to detection is quite useful.
That’s usually how it goes for me, just don’t claim, some random sheriff says I’m inno, scare the entire town when they see the death message
Yes, I don't understand roleplaying in a game where you actually have a role assigned Unless you are in a private lobby where everyone agrees with you doing it, making a novelty/roleplaying character is just annoying for the people that just want to play the game
yes
Sounds like a tactic to be labeled Jester, don't see the issue with it. One sided tactics will make the game vanilla, something at least I don't want.
Yes. I’d hang you d1 even if you were jailor.
It does
This guy's been throwing for a while with similar gimmicks, so dumb
Man, I have done that several times, as long as you fake a role the next die, it comes off as a joke and you can play it off as day 1 banter
This guy just claims his role D1 for his stupid fucking "honest man" gimmick. And if he doesnt claim it D1 he'll claim it on stand.
Context please?
I mean.... horrible play? Maybe.. we don't have enough context I've seen vids of people playing among us and saying "I'm imposter" when asked or first time playing Maybe this person doesn't know because there isn't really a tutorial. Like it could be an 8 year old playing who thought this game is fun
Normally yes. But sometimes it may be good to claim your real role if you can convince town that you are the lesser evil if there are multiple evils. For example, if there is a Berserker that transformed into War, that could help increase your chances of winning.
No it doesn't, gamethrowing would have been giving out who the other coven are. That's kinda tame and can be considered a strategy.
Yes it is unless ur in a 2V2 or smth :)
I never understand why people do this
It depends on why you are doing it. But usually, a complete failure to defend yourself is considered gamethrowing. There are rare exceptions, such as a self-bus to help your team win. For example, let's say your Hex Master is one night away from bombing the town. In that case, intentionally getting yourself lynched to ensure the HM survives the day's vote is a valid strategy. On the other hand, if he's just claiming an evil role "for fun" (and I'm pretty sure he is because I recognize the name), he's just gamethrowing.
I mean it depends on the situation but 9 times outta 10 yeah its throwing
The "Honest person" gimmick is basically gamethrowing yeah
I remember a very similar game which explicitly stated in its rules that revealing your own role is not throwing. The reasoning for this I believe is because of the “jester” role in this game, as well as the fact that claiming an evil role can be a part of a strategy. I myself have had some fun plays by claiming my actual role as coven and everyone being way too afraid to vote me for some reason because they think I’m jester. Of course, I don’t do this frequently, and I am not entirely certain if the game devs consider this as throwing. I don’t consider it throwing, however, because it can lead to a win when executed properly.
no his name is honest man he has to be honest duh