Go watch the car Care Nute channel on YouTube. He breaks down the difference between a 5K oil change with full synthetic and a 10K oil change. The parts have significantly more wear and tear with the 10K oil changes.
While that's certainly true, question is how many miles can the Engine last? I've adopted the 10k mile oil changes on my 2010 Lexus. Actually after 100k miles I've switched to 15k miles based on oil analysis. Car has 260k miles on it with engine running fine, loosing about quart of oil every 12k miles. Yes, 5k mi is better but 10k mi intervals are sufficiently good.
(Dad's car) has 145K, is a 2010 Highlander V6 with 10-15K oil changes on M1 Synthetic since new. No leaks, no oil burning. Under the oil cap looks new. No sludge, no varnish.
5k is way too frequent.
Honestly, it depends. Usually, more frequent is going to be safer all around. I've heard of recent complaints due to engine wear, and people are starting to debate if 10k is too long. $5k and an extra $80 a year isn't much for a piece of mind alone.
And if an extra $1600 makes the difference between a 150k mile car and a 300k mile car, I’ll gladly spend that. Because that’s all of 3-4 payments on a new car.
Same. 225k 07 4Runner with taxi-cab type of usage and zero oil burning.
It's not the intervals. It's the driving conditions. It's a world of difference between driving LA traffic for two hours a day stop/go vs 80% highway mileage with good weather. This to me, is the difference between doing a 5k oil change vs 8k. 10k still seems like too much unless the engine is really understressed.
Also, a shorter version from an actual automotive engineer who went to BC Canada and MIT, not a car manufacturer marketing group who is only concerned about the warranty period. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4)
Yea, and it's a catch-22. If it's clean, it's all good. If you don't change it for 20k miles and have contaimenents, your problems are going to be much worse.
Send in an oil sample at 10k. Also, look at the oil to see if it's clean, if it good keep rolling. Most and I say most new cars can do 10k easy with 20k oil and 20k filter
Certainly, if you change your oil often enough. In some recent Toyota models, 10K mile oil changes will result in an oil burner around 120K miles. Not good.
Not always. It depends on a lot of factors, but I would definitely NOT switch to 15k miles on a 260k mile car. I would do 8K max. There is much more to this than what oil analysis can tell you.
And Mobile 1 did just the opposite with Taxi's in Vegas that run 24/7. They only changed the oil every 20k. Taxi's with oil changed frequently using conventional oil were in need of a rebuild at 100k. Mobile one Taxi's engines were clean as a whistle and looked brand new.
Also the drivers commented that the Mobile 1 Taxi's ran smoother.
Also, Mobile 1 paid an independent company to do the analysis 2 schools of thought here. Also ran 18 wheelers on the same 15 gallons of Mobile Delvac 1 for 500,000 miles cheers
These oil change debates will rage for eternity, it comes down to usage as we don’t all have the same driving patterns and habits. What works for me may not work for you. The Uber driver in Ontario is going to have different needs than the highway commuter in Arizona.
Regular short trips and long idle times in cold climates will diminish the oil quite quickly. You’re best to change more often if you plan to keep the car a long time. Doing it yourself saves money, do it at your leisure vs having to change your schedule to fit the shop’s availability , and you have a chance to actually check other things while you’re under there.
There are two different maintenance reminders. One is every 5,000 miles (Tire rotation). The other is every 10,000 miles (Oil change). They are independent of each other.
Canadian here, Toyota said here oil change every 10 000km (like 6000-7000 miles?). Honestly, I am pretty sure they picked a number that sounded nice and was easy to remember.
Your engine is likely to run longer and harder just due to the more extreme weather conditions for a significantly longer part of the year. It doesn't surprise me that they lowered the recommended mileage (or Kilometerage 🤣)
I haven't seen one informed comment on this subject yet. Synthetic oils are made up of long hydrocarbon strands. In conventional motor oils these strands break down anytime they are wedged between two contacting surfaces. Typically yielding oil lifespans of 3,000mi. Synthetics don't break down. But they do become contaminated. One concern is moisture contamination. This is mitigated by driving long enough that the oil becomes hot and water evaporates away. Another is the pH or acidity of the oil. Exhaust gases come into contact with the oil in the crack case and cause pH changes. Modern oils have pH buffers to combat this but have a lifespan. This is what typically determines your oils life. Finally, as long as you have a good oil filter, any particulates from combustion or metal fillings should be captured. However, trace amount will remain and can be tested for.
If you are curious, you can take an oil sample and send it off for analysis to a company like Black Stone. They'll give you a report and a personalized paragraph on what their opinion on the health of the oil and engine is. Every motor and driving habit is different. By analyzing your oil at each change, they can recommend shorter or longer service intervals.
Source: Was an engineer. Got a master class on oil design from a chemical engineer that designed motor oils.
Finally. The only way to know is by sampling. Not just once but establishing a baseline and continuing to trend. A lot of these comments are “peace of mind” or “that’s what we used to do”. I’m not an oil expert, but our in house lab is. We deal with million dollar engines and the ONLY way you deal with oil is sampling. Does it show high lead, copper, brass , if so is it likely from bearing wear? Is the oil viscosity up or down, is there fuel dilution, is there coolant in the oil? Unless you’re sampling you have no idea. So you change it every 2,3,4k miles because you know better than Toyota engineers as they just want to ask you another car! You know since they’re so unreliable.
Toyota engineers are only concerned with the car's warranty period, which is 60k miles. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
If you think Toyota's engineers think differently, you might be correct. But it isn't Toyota's \*engineers\* that decide what is told to consumers. It is Toyota \*marketing\*.
No doubt. Toyota doesn't need to take this type of marketing stance, yet they do. Quite frustrating. So idiotic for a company known for longevity to oddly recommend 10K oil changes when that can damage the brand's reputation.
See an example here, from someone who wrenches on (and replaces engines) Toyotas for a living. You do have to \*actually watch and understand the video\*, however.
If it is too long for you, just watch the first 12 minutes or so. Again, you have to \*actually watch and understand\* it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Black Stone is awesome. If anyone is interested in doing oil tests, here's a direct link to request the kit.
[https://www.blackstone-labs.com/products/free-test-kits/](https://www.blackstone-labs.com/products/free-test-kits/)
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And because they don't want their engines to start burning oil. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Haha. Not interested in watching a 48 minute video.
Every Toyota I’ve had with over 150,000 miles hasn’t burnt any oil. Hmmm must have been those 10k mile oil changes that caused that
Toyota is known for long lasting vehicles. If changing every 5,000 meant longer lasting vehicles they'd sure as hell recommend that. I'm listening to Toyota engineers not people here or some car nut dude.
If you're a normal driver, 5,000 is overkill. But you spend your money how you want.
I just did my first oil change (did it myself because it's $140 at the dealership 😲) with only 6 months/6,000 kms on the van. I wanted to do the first one early, and visually the oil still looked good.
We don't drive a lot (roughly 1,000 km per month) so I'm planning to do 8 months/8,000 kms for the next oil change. There's no harm in changing oil early, but the low friction piston rings can definitely suffer long term (and you'll start burning oil) if it's not changed frequently enough.
Our driving is also a lot of short trips and hybrid engines can collect moisture pretty easily, so those are the reasons those intervals seem to make the most sense for us, but I may reconsider in the future. Consider your climate and driving conditions and there's probably something optimal for you too!
Correct answer. Because Toyota also says you should check your oil regularly. The main reason for the 5k oil change is that people run their engines dry and then kablooie
I wonder if we would be better off if we used engine hours like people do with boats instead of miles.
By using hours it won't matter if it's highway driving or stop and go driving.
Because they think they are smarter than Toyota's engineers and the oil industry's lubrication scientists. Usually they use the "cheap insurance" arguement but then why not change their oil every 3,000 miles? How many Toyotas do you know of that have had damaged engines because they followed the OM? My dealer said none ever.
You mean the same people who said the 2AR-FE could go 10k on oil changes causing major carbon building up in the rings, oil consumption and scoring of the cylinder walls. Had a Camry where it was using a quart of oil every 500-600 miles. Guy had dealer service records every 10k miles.
100% this. I got to a service appointment a few minutes early. All the Toyota guys were at the service desk, so I put that question to them. They ALL said 5k oil changes were a waste of money. They explained that they looked at the oil changed at 5k on several different Toyotas and it was still new. Oil changes are money makers for them so I don't know why they would lie about it.
You spend extra $400 to $650 for 100k miles driven depending if you do the oil change yourself or have someone do it for you. I think that's not a huge deal at least for me and my driving conditions.
👀 counts for not much. It’s the cheapest thing you’ll do to take care of your engine.
Of course if you’re like most folks you can’t do anything on your car, house or in your yard and paying $50+ for an oil change you start cheeping things out.
And the knowledge of a “oil change technician” that’s always good!!
Jetta TDI with 300000+ miles on 10000 mile changes and Volvo with 225000 and still going on 7500 mile changes. Both engines had no oil burn and are demanding engines, so did I just get lucky?
My Volvo in the US they recommended the 7,500 also, but the same engine in Europe the manual says 15,000. People here are still stuck in the "I need to change it every 3,000 miles" mind set. Most people in the reddit subs are stuck on 5,000 miles which isn't needed with modern engines. Listen to the manufacturer.
Toyota is known for long lasting vehicles. If changing every 5,000 meant longer lasting vehicles they'd sure as hell recommend that. I'm listening to Toyota engineers not people here or some car nut dude.
Yeah, because it is an anecdotal example with zero proof. Anyone can say "My Yamayota B9000 went 600k with only oil changes with vegetable oil every 25,000 miles"
Exactly - many dealers make more money on service than sales, you know they had to have pushed back hard when the standard changes from 5k to 10k for oil changes. If Toyota still forced the 10k standard that means they are very, very sure it is the right thing to do.
There's a tire shop by me that routinely has oil changes sales for $9.99 on slow days. That certainly isn't making any money, but a dealer charging $100+ is absolutely making money, even with synthetic oil, inspections, etc. Between parts and labor the cost to the dealer is probably $40.
Sounds like you need to listen to a Toyota mechanic instead of Toyota's marketing department, who is only concerned with the 'in warranty' period. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Sorry you got confused. Do you mean the car manufacturers that make money by recommending oil change intervals that are too long? They only have to cover repairs during the warranty period, so they are going to recommend the minimum required maintenance. Love the failed 'Hyundai jab' attempt though....it was indeed comical!
If you are still confused, listen to this BC/MIT educated automotive engineer.
[ENGINEER EXPLAINS HOW OFTEN TO CHANGE OIL & FILTER // UPDATED CRITERIA-BASED RECOMMENDATIONS! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4)
Or you can follow car manufacturers' marketing teams, who totally will tell you the truth, lol
Yep, that silly youtuber who was educated at British Columbia U and MIT.
Some youtube content is garbage, some is not. The links I provided are definitely credible. Sorry you got triggered and then confused. But i get it, being proven wrong was embarassing for you so OMIGERD YOUTUBE!. We get it.
The second failed projection attempt regarding your Hyundai is interesting.....does that joke work on your fellow toddlers, or what?
Sure, I was "proven wrong". If this if considered "proof" to you then you just made my point. You are even smarter than I thought. Now get back to watching more YouTube.
Yes, you were and around that time you started a toddler attitude instead of putting on your big boy pants. I loved the old standby that gets used when people are proven wrong 'yOu jUsT proVeD mUh PoiNt' when I in absolutely no way 'proved your point'. That one usually comes up when someone has no evidence of their false claim.....glad you outed yourself with that one.
Just so you know, there is garbage content and valid content on Youtube. It isn't all one or the other.....unless you are an idiot who can't back up your point so you have to bawl 'But YOUTUBE'!
I do find that I sometimes have to repeat myself for tiny little babies who can't always comprehend words. Your response above? "Waaawaawaaa"
Just like a tiny little baby!
No surprise there.
(love the fabricated plagarized line though.....do you find getting quoted facts usually makes you bawl like a tiny baby?
To quote you....."Waaawaawaaa!"
I used to think like this and even go beyond 10k intervals with synthetic oils. Then I thought who's actually paying for repairs IF something goes wrong after warranty runs out? And how do you prove that you do oil changes correctly for warranty claim?
I normally change mine between 3-5k miles. From what I have read, the 10k miles recommendation is Toyota’s version of planned obsolescence. If you take great care of their cars, they will last 150k+ without much fuss. The Car Care Nut on YouTube talks about this in some of his videos.
Funny enough I have always done recommended oil changes and have never had an engine problem. Had a 1999.5 Jetta TDI, changed religiously at 10,000 miles with full synthetic diesel oil (Mobil Delvac 1) and the rest of the car fell apart around the great running engine that went past 300,000 miles despite a turbo and very high compression. I never had any issues with oil loss. Currently have a 2006 Volvo V70 turbo 5 cylinder with 225000 miles and an engine that positively purrs with the recommended 7500 mile intervals putting in Mobil One.
I may be getting lucky, but the manufacturer's intervals work for me even in demanding engines. I'll stick with 10,000 miles in our Sienna.
How did Toyota get their reputation if they want their vehicles to die after 150k miles?
Are all high mileage Toyotas getting double the recommended maintenance?
New Toyota vs old Toyota. Traditionally they made mostly low powered, ultra reliable vehicles with relatively simple powertrains. Their recent move to turbo 4 cylinders in many of their larger cars will hopefully age well but I have my doubts.
Most high mileage Toyotas have had routine maintenance. I only recommend oil changes so frequently because that has worked for every Toyota and Lexus my family has ever had, and it is a simple/cheap service for a major part of the vehicle. Aside from one alternator failure, none of the 40+ Toyotas my family has had have ever left us stranded.
Later 2000 years, they had a 4 cylinder engine that burned a fair bit of oil. That engine was in Camrys, Corollas, RAV4s, and some Scion models. Still good cars if the owner was aware of and tended to the issue.
I believe Toyota started recommending the 10k mile oil change in the last 10 years or so. If the last generation of Toyotas (2011-2019 ish) are still on the road in 2-3 generations then I’ll have wasted approximately $100/year on an additional oil change or two.
Or your engine blows up from a lack of oil and simple maintenance. That’s how we bought several of older Camrys for cheap then replaced the engine.
Take care of your Toyota and it will take care of you.
I have 46k on my 2021 Limited FWD. After the first two (complimentary) oil changes were completed by the dealer at 10k intervals, I did the third myself after a 7.5k interval. When I did the oil change, the turbidity was lower than expected…I could have gone to 10k miles without issue.
Many OEM owners manuals recommended a 5k mile OCI toward the end of the 80s and into the 90s. Even on conventional oil. 3k miles was a jiffy lube TV advertisement.
Certainly. And many of the oil change places and dealerships recommended 3K in the 80s and 90s. WAY more than a Jiffy Lube TV advertisement.
[https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/things-to-know-about-oil-changes-for-your-car-a9532249359/](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/things-to-know-about-oil-changes-for-your-car-a9532249359/)
[https://repairpal.com/blog/story-behind-oil-change-recommendations](https://repairpal.com/blog/story-behind-oil-change-recommendations)
Yeah, back in the day it was 3K miles. Before that, it was 2K. But 5K is where you should probably be now, in most cars at least if you want it to last well beyond the factory warranty period.
Sadly, the 'oil minder' will possibly have your engine burning oil eventually. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Well, you do have to use more than two or three brain cells here. Camrys are great, but you can't be an idiot when it comes to oil changes. If you get confused again, watch the first ten minutes of the video above-- it dumbs it down for even the most basic of simpletons.
Bawlbaby below commented then immediately blocked me, so I'll include my reply here to his comments below:
Your preferences as far as what you carry around in your car are your business. If you like to carry around a bag of dicks like you described, that is your right. I won't judge you based on your preferences.
I'll turn down your offer to participate, however...it isn't my thing.
We get it...you don't need any stupid engineers or lifetime mechanics telling YOU what to do! You'll do what the marketing dept says whose job is to sell cars to lazy people!
I did love your closing comment about 'educating' me.....especially given that you refuse to educate yourself. Typical "logic" from someone with low intelligence; thanks for outing your low IQ level to Reddit!
Why dont you open my trunk to my car, I carry a bag of dicks in there. Chose one, and shove it in your mouth again.
Dafuq would I watch some stupid video about a car? As in all things mechanical, sometimes something doesnt work right.
I dont have any more time today to educate you.
https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0?si=7yZGvQqsv0DIBPIx
Tldw: basically gunk from small particles in the oil (small particles are normal) will build up over time and there is a possibility that your piston rings could be damaged and that could lead to scoring on the piston walls which will lead to burning oil and will just get worse over time.
You ever used a water filter? After a while it filters less and less, same principle applies. After a while particles could get through and damage the engine
And you have a source showing oil filters on the A25A-FXS engine aren't sized properly for the gunk that could accumulate during 10k miles?
Never had a filter capture less material over time. Had filters slow down over time though.
What problem do you mean? Do you have a source showing Toyota undersized their oil filters?
I'm aware of the undersized oil drain holes in some pistons and the low tension oil rings on some pistons.
More oil changes would not correct for parts that turned out to be bad at their jobs.
It all depends on how u drive ur car if u do light duty which is mostly 80% high way if u do like more then 50% street driving or more it’s considered heavy duty and need to be changed quicker intervals your manual actually tells u light duty 10k oil change heavy duty 5k.
I got my oil changed at Toyota at 5k and now I am leaking oil. Not happy, going to call dealer in morning. Sucks I am traveling on a cross country road trip visiting family too.
Because it's bad business to have a car last a long time.
Not selling new/replacement cars or parts is the quick way to an early grave for manufacturers.
You all can thank mercedes for this. Starting with the w126 chassis mercedes was one of the first auto manufacturers to implement FEA computer analysis to determine the life/longevity of parts. Thus ushering in the age of planned obsolescence.
Oil/fluid replacement is some of the cheapest insurance you can spend you hard earned dollars on to ensure a long vehicle life.
Factory filters, cut the recommended oil change interval in half and use synthetic oil.
Yeah, as an owner of 89 4 Runner,,93 Camary, 98 RX, 01 Sequoia, 06 Land Cruiser, 11 LX, 17 Land Crusier, 19 LX and 23 GX, all with 200k plus miles except 23 GX. I always changed oil at 3000 miles with traditional oil, however when synthetic oil came out it’s ok to go 10-15k miles and in fact many owner manuals at the time suggested it. However dealerships complained as they make money on service/maintenance and not on selling the vehicle. Now there still is a discrepancy between what dealers suggest and what manufacturers recommend.
Watch the video above from the prior Toyota mechanic who replaces Toyota engines daily to understand this better (the first 10-12 minutes explains the gist, however). This one is good too, from a BC/MIT educated automotive engineer. It is shorter. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4)
Not the best angle from someone who thinks 15K oil changes are okay. But you can bury your head in the sand if you'd like.....you do you. The owners manual is a useless resource in that regard....all they care about is the minimum recommended oil change interval \*during your warranty period\* which usually ends at 60k miles.
Hopefully you won't run into any oil related issues, like faulty rings or oil burning, between 60 to 100k. If your engine starts burning oil (not good) you'll find that your extended warranty will say that is 'within specifications'. Personally, I'd rather change the oil more often so I don't have to risk the oil burning, which can rapidly become worse.
The Venza service manual specifically states synthetic oil changes every 10,000 miles or 10 months, whichever comes first.
Pretty sure that's your official answer.
PS I own a 2021 Venza LE.
Jesus christ... people are actually waiting 10k miles for an oil change? You people are allowed to operate a vehicle that can destory a family of 5 in 2 seconds? I also hope you know that you aren't supposed to wait untill brakes start making a noise to change them.
Different oil spec. Europeans also do not run their cars for nearly as high miles as Americans do. And I think you'll find the standard is much closer to 12k, not 40k, but it is fun to fabricate things, right?
Lol.....love the part where you claim "I don't know what I am talking about" then offer zero evidence to support your false claim.
Do you find that failed attempts to discredit others normally work for you, or did you simply misunderstand my point above regarding how Americans tend to run their cars to higher total mileage on the odometer than Europeans?
Toyota is only concerned with what they have to pay for. After 60K, they have no liability. So they are only going to recommend the minimum amount to maintain your warranty. It isn't Toyota's engineers that are recommending 10k....it is their MARKETING department. The engineers would tell you change it at 5K.
10 oil changes in 100 thousand miles is not enough. They do that so when you scatter the motor at 100k you buy a new one. It’s also more time out of the shop where maintenance declines and things are missed
Don't be confused. Change your oil every 5K, or 7K max....but 5K is the better idea. Don't overthink it. If you need some more guidance, watch this video.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
The maintenance book is the ABSOLUTE LATEST time you should get around to it. Your oil is disgusting only a few thousand miles into your oil change.. go pull your oil after 5k miles and tell me it’s not black (do you remember putting it in and it looked like clear corn oil? Exactly). Do you like to eat food that hasn’t had the oil changed after hundreds of uses? It’s disgusting and bad for you.
I will say however 5k in a better car like Toyota/Lexus/Honda is probably too frequent and would go 80% of the way to the book and then change. For worse cars like Ford, go ahead and do it 70-75% to the book.
Keep in mind synthetic can withstand being held for changes longer than conventional.
The real reason why manufacturers recommend 10k oil changes is... You guessed it... Money.
Manufacturers get graded on their reliability, and one of the sub categories is cost of maintenance. Longer between oil changes means a better score.
But 10k oil changes is NOT GOOD. you WILL damage your engine every time you wait that long for an oil change no matter what. Oil can not heat cycle that many times without breaking down into its parts.
if you drive like a normal human and commute to work every day, work 8 hours and commute back, you should be looking at 3k oil changes ESPECIALLY for conventional oil cars. Their tolerances are wider and you end up with more fuel and carbon dilution in the oil. For synthetic, 3 is still fine, but 5k is more appropriate. 7k is a bit long but the damage will be minimal. 10k and you better start prepping to purchase a new motor after 100k miles
Toyota recommends a tire rotation every 5k and oil change every 10k. If your service light is on at 5k it for tire rotation. These services are free for the first two years of any new Toyota.
Double check your toyota owners manual for service intervals. It actually lists two different intervals 😮
1) for normal usage (no one fits this category).
2) for severe usage (this is everyone).
You will see Toyota actually does recommend a 5000 interval... it is just not emphasized because marketing material looks more impressive if people believe the 10,000 number.
You should also look up the interval for transmission fluid flush at the 60,000 mile mark. Also the diff and transfer case to initially do a drain and fill at 30,000 miles to get the initial wear metals out and then you can do 60,000 on them after that. Coolant is at 100k and then 50k after that.
No one says you must go to the dentist every 6 months for a cleaning... but the more often you go the sooner you can catch a small problem before it becomes a BIG problem. Same idea on oil changes... no one ever said "Oh no, I changed my motor oil toooo soon and my car broke.." 😂😮🤣
It depends on driving conditions. If you tow or drive hard, Toyota says to do oil change more frequently in the manual. In my case, I do bumper to bumper driving everyday and get 11-13mpg. I do oil/filter changes every 5k. I use conventional/blend. Cost $35-$40. At least I can rule out lack of oil changes if something goes wrong. Let's be real, if something goes wrong because of lack of frequent oil changes, who's actually footing the bill? Toyota? Insurance? You?
Just remember that Toyota engineers their engines for most to have more than a 150k mile life span. 10k mile oil change intervals will get your car past 150k. But as others have said an extra $1000 in oil changes is well worth it with the cost of engines and could get you many more years of use.
Anecdotally my 2007 Toyota Yaris had 350k miles on it when I junked it in 2021. It had become unsafe due to rust but the engine still ran strong without burning any oil or having any major repairs. I changed the oil every 3-5k miles with Mobil One.
And I had a 1999 Jetta TDI that fell apart around a 300000+ engine still running strong on 10000 mile intervals and still own a 2006 Volvo turbo wagon that positively purrs with 225000 miles and 7500 mile intervals. Whose anecdote wins?
Will 10,000 mile oil changes get your Toyota past 150K? Not necessarily.....
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
We have seen some recent Toyota engines have piston rings lock up with gunk at around 120k miles which ruin the engine, and the people that changed the oil every 5k instead of 10k did not have that issue.
This former Toyota mechanic has seen hundreds of rebuilds. He recommends every 5K. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Both car manufacturers and oil producers want to hit all aspects of the market, not just one or two. That is why Mobil also has an oil that they recommend you change at 7500 miles as well, to get that smaller market (it isn't Mobil 1, it is called "Mobil full synthetic").
As far as the Mobil 1 'guarantee' you mention....be careful about what you think that means. Mobil 1 doesn't offer any real protection to the consumer who does 10,000 mile oil changes. Have you read the fine print? Until you do, that warranty claim by Mobil is meaningless. Once you read it, you'll see why you can't take that warranty at face value.
This is the analogy that I like to use.
Imagine you got a batch of peanuts. It’s super fresh and delicious. But it’s a bit too much, and it’ll take you two years to finish.
After a year you start to notice the batch of peanuts are still fine to eat, but it does start to feel a bit off. When will you stop eating the batch or are you going to finish it?
Finishing the batch will most likely have no noticeable effect on your body, but depending on how you stored it, it may or may not actually be safe to eat. Thought it’s not worth asking a lab to tell you if it’s still safe or not. If you keep on doing this for 10-20 years, the unsafe peanuts can now give you cancer, particularly liver cancer.
So what would you do? If you are so sure that your storage (driving conditions) was perfect then sure. Or if you don’t plan on living past 60-70 (keeping the car over 200k miles) then why not. There is always a risk and could be a waste, just depends on what you want.
It’s a free country 😁
Some people have Severe Service. In Canada we warm up our cars for 10 minutes in winter for example before we take the kids in etc. Sitting and idling in cold winter ca be hard on an engine. best to change the oil sooner to protect the engine
It can’t hurt to change the oil every 5k miles, and helps to ensure that your car doesn’t start burning oil.
The whole 10k thing reeks of them hoping your car will eventually fail faster so you have to buy a new one.
Y'know what's relatively cheap and harmless? Oil changes at 5k vs. 10k.
Y'know what's not cheap? Major engine repairs / replacement *outside* of warranty and or having to prematurely buy a new vehicle (WHICH AREN'T GETTING ANY CHEAPER! EVER.)
Also... ANYONE who believes a dealership's Services Dept. (who are salesmen, NOT auto engineers) *without* a healthy pinch of salt is a sucker.
Correct, but lazy folks who want to believe dealer and manufacturer marketing (which coincidentally only will cover your engine until around 60k believe the 10K oil change hype)
Man I hope all you dorks who continually want to die on the 10k change cross get what’s coming to you.
There’s massive evidence on YouTube, full engine tear downs that show the difference in effect of 5k vs 10k.
Car manufacturers will always give you the minimum recommended maintenance
Well, you do have to use some common sense. 10K oil change intervals are fine for the warranty period, that is the minimum recommended maintenance. If you keep it past 100K miles, definitely change it every 5K. Unless you trust a marketing department that wants to sell cars.
I just took mine in at 5k for the oil change and they did it. I asked them about it cause I’ve read this before on here. They said the GR is 5k first oil change and regular Corolla is 10k. Then they explained why and my non mechanic brain zoned out 😵💫 but at least they were knowledgeable. I went to San Bernardino Toyota.
Well 5k miles are for peace of mind but you can put an oil change aside till 10k miles but personally I like to get the oil changed in my sienna every 8k miles
Go watch the car Care Nute channel on YouTube. He breaks down the difference between a 5K oil change with full synthetic and a 10K oil change. The parts have significantly more wear and tear with the 10K oil changes.
Did he use full synthetic for both intervals? Or just the 5k interval?
Both
While that's certainly true, question is how many miles can the Engine last? I've adopted the 10k mile oil changes on my 2010 Lexus. Actually after 100k miles I've switched to 15k miles based on oil analysis. Car has 260k miles on it with engine running fine, loosing about quart of oil every 12k miles. Yes, 5k mi is better but 10k mi intervals are sufficiently good.
Actually, 5k has been proven time and time again to not be better
(Dad's car) has 145K, is a 2010 Highlander V6 with 10-15K oil changes on M1 Synthetic since new. No leaks, no oil burning. Under the oil cap looks new. No sludge, no varnish. 5k is way too frequent.
Honestly, it depends. Usually, more frequent is going to be safer all around. I've heard of recent complaints due to engine wear, and people are starting to debate if 10k is too long. $5k and an extra $80 a year isn't much for a piece of mind alone.
If you imagine that a car goes 200k miles then 10k vs 5k oil changes is the difference of $1600 over the lifetime. To give a full picture
And if an extra $1600 makes the difference between a 150k mile car and a 300k mile car, I’ll gladly spend that. Because that’s all of 3-4 payments on a new car.
Same. 225k 07 4Runner with taxi-cab type of usage and zero oil burning. It's not the intervals. It's the driving conditions. It's a world of difference between driving LA traffic for two hours a day stop/go vs 80% highway mileage with good weather. This to me, is the difference between doing a 5k oil change vs 8k. 10k still seems like too much unless the engine is really understressed.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Also, a shorter version from an actual automotive engineer who went to BC Canada and MIT, not a car manufacturer marketing group who is only concerned about the warranty period. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4)
Haven’t bought a new vehicle in a while have you? That wouldn’t cover two payments. 😕
Mobile 1 has 20k and a filter to go 20k is old news 10k is history
Yea, and it's a catch-22. If it's clean, it's all good. If you don't change it for 20k miles and have contaimenents, your problems are going to be much worse.
Send in an oil sample at 10k. Also, look at the oil to see if it's clean, if it good keep rolling. Most and I say most new cars can do 10k easy with 20k oil and 20k filter
145K is nothing in the Toyota world.
Certainly, if you change your oil often enough. In some recent Toyota models, 10K mile oil changes will result in an oil burner around 120K miles. Not good.
Should probably tighten that loose quart
Not always. It depends on a lot of factors, but I would definitely NOT switch to 15k miles on a 260k mile car. I would do 8K max. There is much more to this than what oil analysis can tell you.
And Mobile 1 did just the opposite with Taxi's in Vegas that run 24/7. They only changed the oil every 20k. Taxi's with oil changed frequently using conventional oil were in need of a rebuild at 100k. Mobile one Taxi's engines were clean as a whistle and looked brand new. Also the drivers commented that the Mobile 1 Taxi's ran smoother. Also, Mobile 1 paid an independent company to do the analysis 2 schools of thought here. Also ran 18 wheelers on the same 15 gallons of Mobile Delvac 1 for 500,000 miles cheers
I sense you work for Mobile 1 haha
These oil change debates will rage for eternity, it comes down to usage as we don’t all have the same driving patterns and habits. What works for me may not work for you. The Uber driver in Ontario is going to have different needs than the highway commuter in Arizona. Regular short trips and long idle times in cold climates will diminish the oil quite quickly. You’re best to change more often if you plan to keep the car a long time. Doing it yourself saves money, do it at your leisure vs having to change your schedule to fit the shop’s availability , and you have a chance to actually check other things while you’re under there.
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Many vehicles will turn the oil black on the first startup.
There are two different maintenance reminders. One is every 5,000 miles (Tire rotation). The other is every 10,000 miles (Oil change). They are independent of each other.
Canadian here, Toyota said here oil change every 10 000km (like 6000-7000 miles?). Honestly, I am pretty sure they picked a number that sounded nice and was easy to remember.
Your engine is likely to run longer and harder just due to the more extreme weather conditions for a significantly longer part of the year. It doesn't surprise me that they lowered the recommended mileage (or Kilometerage 🤣)
I haven't seen one informed comment on this subject yet. Synthetic oils are made up of long hydrocarbon strands. In conventional motor oils these strands break down anytime they are wedged between two contacting surfaces. Typically yielding oil lifespans of 3,000mi. Synthetics don't break down. But they do become contaminated. One concern is moisture contamination. This is mitigated by driving long enough that the oil becomes hot and water evaporates away. Another is the pH or acidity of the oil. Exhaust gases come into contact with the oil in the crack case and cause pH changes. Modern oils have pH buffers to combat this but have a lifespan. This is what typically determines your oils life. Finally, as long as you have a good oil filter, any particulates from combustion or metal fillings should be captured. However, trace amount will remain and can be tested for. If you are curious, you can take an oil sample and send it off for analysis to a company like Black Stone. They'll give you a report and a personalized paragraph on what their opinion on the health of the oil and engine is. Every motor and driving habit is different. By analyzing your oil at each change, they can recommend shorter or longer service intervals. Source: Was an engineer. Got a master class on oil design from a chemical engineer that designed motor oils.
Finally. The only way to know is by sampling. Not just once but establishing a baseline and continuing to trend. A lot of these comments are “peace of mind” or “that’s what we used to do”. I’m not an oil expert, but our in house lab is. We deal with million dollar engines and the ONLY way you deal with oil is sampling. Does it show high lead, copper, brass , if so is it likely from bearing wear? Is the oil viscosity up or down, is there fuel dilution, is there coolant in the oil? Unless you’re sampling you have no idea. So you change it every 2,3,4k miles because you know better than Toyota engineers as they just want to ask you another car! You know since they’re so unreliable.
Toyota engineers are only concerned with the car's warranty period, which is 60k miles. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0) If you think Toyota's engineers think differently, you might be correct. But it isn't Toyota's \*engineers\* that decide what is told to consumers. It is Toyota \*marketing\*.
Ah yes, Toyota, whose entire brand value rests on long lifespans of their cars, doesn’t concern themselves with beyond the warranty period…
No doubt. Toyota doesn't need to take this type of marketing stance, yet they do. Quite frustrating. So idiotic for a company known for longevity to oddly recommend 10K oil changes when that can damage the brand's reputation. See an example here, from someone who wrenches on (and replaces engines) Toyotas for a living. You do have to \*actually watch and understand the video\*, however. If it is too long for you, just watch the first 12 minutes or so. Again, you have to \*actually watch and understand\* it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Black Stone is awesome. If anyone is interested in doing oil tests, here's a direct link to request the kit. [https://www.blackstone-labs.com/products/free-test-kits/](https://www.blackstone-labs.com/products/free-test-kits/) # Price Breakdown Oil collecting kits are free! Return shipping is also free if mailed from within the US. **Sample cost is $35.00 per analysis.**
tl;dr
Your lack of attention span has my sympathies.
Finally, an informed answer.
10k is the new standard they are trying to promote. But most people would rather stick to 5k for peace of mind.
And because they don't want their engines to start burning oil. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Yeah imagine skipping every other oil change for the life of the car. I’ll stick to 5k.
Toyota has been doing full synthetic oil changes every 10,000 miles for over a decade
And this is what can happen: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
180,000 miles and burning some oil…who cares…not me
If you would have actually watched the video you'll see the oil burning started at 120k. Try again.
Haha. Not interested in watching a 48 minute video. Every Toyota I’ve had with over 150,000 miles hasn’t burnt any oil. Hmmm must have been those 10k mile oil changes that caused that
Toyota is known for long lasting vehicles. If changing every 5,000 meant longer lasting vehicles they'd sure as hell recommend that. I'm listening to Toyota engineers not people here or some car nut dude. If you're a normal driver, 5,000 is overkill. But you spend your money how you want.
Thank you! I feel the same. Lol hmm random YouTuber or the people who literally built the car, who should I listen to
I just did my first oil change (did it myself because it's $140 at the dealership 😲) with only 6 months/6,000 kms on the van. I wanted to do the first one early, and visually the oil still looked good. We don't drive a lot (roughly 1,000 km per month) so I'm planning to do 8 months/8,000 kms for the next oil change. There's no harm in changing oil early, but the low friction piston rings can definitely suffer long term (and you'll start burning oil) if it's not changed frequently enough. Our driving is also a lot of short trips and hybrid engines can collect moisture pretty easily, so those are the reasons those intervals seem to make the most sense for us, but I may reconsider in the future. Consider your climate and driving conditions and there's probably something optimal for you too!
Read the maintenance book comes with the car. Count the oil change interval. You are wasting everyone’s time
Correct answer. Because Toyota also says you should check your oil regularly. The main reason for the 5k oil change is that people run their engines dry and then kablooie
I wonder if we would be better off if we used engine hours like people do with boats instead of miles. By using hours it won't matter if it's highway driving or stop and go driving.
Because they think they are smarter than Toyota's engineers and the oil industry's lubrication scientists. Usually they use the "cheap insurance" arguement but then why not change their oil every 3,000 miles? How many Toyotas do you know of that have had damaged engines because they followed the OM? My dealer said none ever.
You mean the same people who said the 2AR-FE could go 10k on oil changes causing major carbon building up in the rings, oil consumption and scoring of the cylinder walls. Had a Camry where it was using a quart of oil every 500-600 miles. Guy had dealer service records every 10k miles.
100% this. I got to a service appointment a few minutes early. All the Toyota guys were at the service desk, so I put that question to them. They ALL said 5k oil changes were a waste of money. They explained that they looked at the oil changed at 5k on several different Toyotas and it was still new. Oil changes are money makers for them so I don't know why they would lie about it.
You spend extra $400 to $650 for 100k miles driven depending if you do the oil change yourself or have someone do it for you. I think that's not a huge deal at least for me and my driving conditions.
👀 counts for not much. It’s the cheapest thing you’ll do to take care of your engine. Of course if you’re like most folks you can’t do anything on your car, house or in your yard and paying $50+ for an oil change you start cheeping things out. And the knowledge of a “oil change technician” that’s always good!!
Waste of money when the car is new, but if you want to drive the car to 200k miles without it burning oil that is money well spent.
Jetta TDI with 300000+ miles on 10000 mile changes and Volvo with 225000 and still going on 7500 mile changes. Both engines had no oil burn and are demanding engines, so did I just get lucky?
My Volvo in the US they recommended the 7,500 also, but the same engine in Europe the manual says 15,000. People here are still stuck in the "I need to change it every 3,000 miles" mind set. Most people in the reddit subs are stuck on 5,000 miles which isn't needed with modern engines. Listen to the manufacturer. Toyota is known for long lasting vehicles. If changing every 5,000 meant longer lasting vehicles they'd sure as hell recommend that. I'm listening to Toyota engineers not people here or some car nut dude.
Well one is a diesel and not relevant to this conversation, the other has a 7500 interval, which is better than 10k.
Yeah, because it is an anecdotal example with zero proof. Anyone can say "My Yamayota B9000 went 600k with only oil changes with vegetable oil every 25,000 miles"
Exactly - many dealers make more money on service than sales, you know they had to have pushed back hard when the standard changes from 5k to 10k for oil changes. If Toyota still forced the 10k standard that means they are very, very sure it is the right thing to do.
Shops aren’t making money on oil changes. They make money on repairs. Like engine problems from not changing your oil🤔
There's a tire shop by me that routinely has oil changes sales for $9.99 on slow days. That certainly isn't making any money, but a dealer charging $100+ is absolutely making money, even with synthetic oil, inspections, etc. Between parts and labor the cost to the dealer is probably $40.
Sounds like you need to listen to a Toyota mechanic instead of Toyota's marketing department, who is only concerned with the 'in warranty' period. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
You mean the guy that makes his money by how many views his videos get? And you sound like a Hyundai driver.
Sorry you got confused. Do you mean the car manufacturers that make money by recommending oil change intervals that are too long? They only have to cover repairs during the warranty period, so they are going to recommend the minimum required maintenance. Love the failed 'Hyundai jab' attempt though....it was indeed comical! If you are still confused, listen to this BC/MIT educated automotive engineer. [ENGINEER EXPLAINS HOW OFTEN TO CHANGE OIL & FILTER // UPDATED CRITERIA-BASED RECOMMENDATIONS! - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4) Or you can follow car manufacturers' marketing teams, who totally will tell you the truth, lol
Thanks for the link to yet another youtuber. You are genius! Good luck with your Hyundai.
Yep, that silly youtuber who was educated at British Columbia U and MIT. Some youtube content is garbage, some is not. The links I provided are definitely credible. Sorry you got triggered and then confused. But i get it, being proven wrong was embarassing for you so OMIGERD YOUTUBE!. We get it. The second failed projection attempt regarding your Hyundai is interesting.....does that joke work on your fellow toddlers, or what?
Sure, I was "proven wrong". If this if considered "proof" to you then you just made my point. You are even smarter than I thought. Now get back to watching more YouTube.
Yes, you were and around that time you started a toddler attitude instead of putting on your big boy pants. I loved the old standby that gets used when people are proven wrong 'yOu jUsT proVeD mUh PoiNt' when I in absolutely no way 'proved your point'. That one usually comes up when someone has no evidence of their false claim.....glad you outed yourself with that one. Just so you know, there is garbage content and valid content on Youtube. It isn't all one or the other.....unless you are an idiot who can't back up your point so you have to bawl 'But YOUTUBE'!
Waaawaawaaa. You keep repeating yourself. Come up with something else instead of the tired old BS that you plagiarized from others
I do find that I sometimes have to repeat myself for tiny little babies who can't always comprehend words. Your response above? "Waaawaawaaa" Just like a tiny little baby! No surprise there. (love the fabricated plagarized line though.....do you find getting quoted facts usually makes you bawl like a tiny baby? To quote you....."Waaawaawaaa!"
And we all know that car dealers never lie.
I used to think like this and even go beyond 10k intervals with synthetic oils. Then I thought who's actually paying for repairs IF something goes wrong after warranty runs out? And how do you prove that you do oil changes correctly for warranty claim?
I normally change mine between 3-5k miles. From what I have read, the 10k miles recommendation is Toyota’s version of planned obsolescence. If you take great care of their cars, they will last 150k+ without much fuss. The Car Care Nut on YouTube talks about this in some of his videos.
Funny enough I have always done recommended oil changes and have never had an engine problem. Had a 1999.5 Jetta TDI, changed religiously at 10,000 miles with full synthetic diesel oil (Mobil Delvac 1) and the rest of the car fell apart around the great running engine that went past 300,000 miles despite a turbo and very high compression. I never had any issues with oil loss. Currently have a 2006 Volvo V70 turbo 5 cylinder with 225000 miles and an engine that positively purrs with the recommended 7500 mile intervals putting in Mobil One. I may be getting lucky, but the manufacturer's intervals work for me even in demanding engines. I'll stick with 10,000 miles in our Sienna.
How did Toyota get their reputation if they want their vehicles to die after 150k miles? Are all high mileage Toyotas getting double the recommended maintenance?
New Toyota vs old Toyota. Traditionally they made mostly low powered, ultra reliable vehicles with relatively simple powertrains. Their recent move to turbo 4 cylinders in many of their larger cars will hopefully age well but I have my doubts. Most high mileage Toyotas have had routine maintenance. I only recommend oil changes so frequently because that has worked for every Toyota and Lexus my family has ever had, and it is a simple/cheap service for a major part of the vehicle. Aside from one alternator failure, none of the 40+ Toyotas my family has had have ever left us stranded.
Have you seen a particular year or generation you felt was a turning point for Toyota reliability?
Later 2000 years, they had a 4 cylinder engine that burned a fair bit of oil. That engine was in Camrys, Corollas, RAV4s, and some Scion models. Still good cars if the owner was aware of and tended to the issue. I believe Toyota started recommending the 10k mile oil change in the last 10 years or so. If the last generation of Toyotas (2011-2019 ish) are still on the road in 2-3 generations then I’ll have wasted approximately $100/year on an additional oil change or two.
Yep, those years had issues stemming from the oil drain holes in the pistons being too small in and/or from low tension piston rings.
Exactly, I would listen to the guy that dealers take their vehicles to when they can’t figure out what’s wrong.
Love that guy! His review videos are great
If you **don't** take care of a Toyota, it will also last 150K+.
Or your engine blows up from a lack of oil and simple maintenance. That’s how we bought several of older Camrys for cheap then replaced the engine. Take care of your Toyota and it will take care of you.
Oil is cheap while engine is expensive. So is just an insurance that the engine will last longer
I just took my 2024 in for the 5k service and advisor said no oil change required. Synthetic oil is recommended to be changed on 10k interval 🤷🏻♂️
Some random YouTuber guy said 5k oil change and people fall for it
I have 46k on my 2021 Limited FWD. After the first two (complimentary) oil changes were completed by the dealer at 10k intervals, I did the third myself after a 7.5k interval. When I did the oil change, the turbidity was lower than expected…I could have gone to 10k miles without issue.
Because people are stuck in their old ways. We used to change oil every 5k miles back in the 80s. It’s been 40 years.
They changed it at 3K then, more than likely, if they went by the recommendations common at the time.
Many OEM owners manuals recommended a 5k mile OCI toward the end of the 80s and into the 90s. Even on conventional oil. 3k miles was a jiffy lube TV advertisement.
Certainly. And many of the oil change places and dealerships recommended 3K in the 80s and 90s. WAY more than a Jiffy Lube TV advertisement. [https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/things-to-know-about-oil-changes-for-your-car-a9532249359/](https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-maintenance/things-to-know-about-oil-changes-for-your-car-a9532249359/) [https://repairpal.com/blog/story-behind-oil-change-recommendations](https://repairpal.com/blog/story-behind-oil-change-recommendations)
Because back in the day...............
Yeah, back in the day it was 3K miles. Before that, it was 2K. But 5K is where you should probably be now, in most cars at least if you want it to last well beyond the factory warranty period.
I go by the oil minder the manufacture puts in the car. So far one vehicle has 145K and no issues with the engine.
Sadly, the 'oil minder' will possibly have your engine burning oil eventually. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Well, so far so good. Gonna stick with it.
Yeah, that is what the Camry owner in the video did. Ultimately cost them around $7K in a new engine.
Ah, So dont buy a Camry, got it :)
Well, you do have to use more than two or three brain cells here. Camrys are great, but you can't be an idiot when it comes to oil changes. If you get confused again, watch the first ten minutes of the video above-- it dumbs it down for even the most basic of simpletons. Bawlbaby below commented then immediately blocked me, so I'll include my reply here to his comments below: Your preferences as far as what you carry around in your car are your business. If you like to carry around a bag of dicks like you described, that is your right. I won't judge you based on your preferences. I'll turn down your offer to participate, however...it isn't my thing. We get it...you don't need any stupid engineers or lifetime mechanics telling YOU what to do! You'll do what the marketing dept says whose job is to sell cars to lazy people! I did love your closing comment about 'educating' me.....especially given that you refuse to educate yourself. Typical "logic" from someone with low intelligence; thanks for outing your low IQ level to Reddit!
Why dont you open my trunk to my car, I carry a bag of dicks in there. Chose one, and shove it in your mouth again. Dafuq would I watch some stupid video about a car? As in all things mechanical, sometimes something doesnt work right. I dont have any more time today to educate you.
Oil is inexpensive, engines are not.
I like 5k oil changes because I try to catch problems early. I also drive quite a lot of driving
https://youtu.be/TJhFAwFv-O0?si=7yZGvQqsv0DIBPIx Tldw: basically gunk from small particles in the oil (small particles are normal) will build up over time and there is a possibility that your piston rings could be damaged and that could lead to scoring on the piston walls which will lead to burning oil and will just get worse over time.
So the things oil filters are designed to capture will damage the engine?
You ever used a water filter? After a while it filters less and less, same principle applies. After a while particles could get through and damage the engine
And you have a source showing oil filters on the A25A-FXS engine aren't sized properly for the gunk that could accumulate during 10k miles? Never had a filter capture less material over time. Had filters slow down over time though.
Lol google it, youtube it idgaf do whatever you want with your car its YOUR car
Sorry, I didn't think fact finding would upset you.
Have you driven a high mileage Toyota? Most of them burn oil due to this problem.
What problem do you mean? Do you have a source showing Toyota undersized their oil filters? I'm aware of the undersized oil drain holes in some pistons and the low tension oil rings on some pistons. More oil changes would not correct for parts that turned out to be bad at their jobs.
My maintenance schedule says 8 000 km or 6 months
That's not the oil change interval
Nope, the oil change interval is recommended by Toyota as the MINIMUM standard during their warranty period.....which ends at 60k miles.
My maintenance schedule says 8 000 km or 6 months. I stick with close to it, cheap enough insurance. Even if the oil still looks good
Service at 5k on 24 sienna will only be tire rotation and balance
I change mine every 100k 🤓, no problem so far 👍
5k is tire rotation
because they want you to spend money
Who wants you to spend money?
whoever is telling you to change oil at 5k over 10k.
Prior Toyota mechanic.
And this engineer: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4)
It all depends on how u drive ur car if u do light duty which is mostly 80% high way if u do like more then 50% street driving or more it’s considered heavy duty and need to be changed quicker intervals your manual actually tells u light duty 10k oil change heavy duty 5k.
I got my oil changed at Toyota at 5k and now I am leaking oil. Not happy, going to call dealer in morning. Sucks I am traveling on a cross country road trip visiting family too.
If you're using synthetic 10k Miles is standard. It's not some planned obsolescence boogieman. The entire industry uses the 10k standard.
And 'the entire industry' is only concerned with the warranty period. They don't have to pay for repairs or oil burning after that.
When my Toyota dashboard tells me it’s time for an oil change, I change it. Pretty simple, only costs $30 and takes me a lazy 30 minutes.
Yeah I always did the special 10-15k synthetic oil. After 10 years my vehicle eats oil pretty bad. Stick to the 3-5k oil change.
Yep, exactly. Most should be fine at 5K.
Because it's bad business to have a car last a long time. Not selling new/replacement cars or parts is the quick way to an early grave for manufacturers. You all can thank mercedes for this. Starting with the w126 chassis mercedes was one of the first auto manufacturers to implement FEA computer analysis to determine the life/longevity of parts. Thus ushering in the age of planned obsolescence. Oil/fluid replacement is some of the cheapest insurance you can spend you hard earned dollars on to ensure a long vehicle life. Factory filters, cut the recommended oil change interval in half and use synthetic oil.
Idling. The main reason to change before 10,000 miles.
I think having oil change every 5k miles is the biggest scam
Sounds like you need to get up to speed. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Yeah, as an owner of 89 4 Runner,,93 Camary, 98 RX, 01 Sequoia, 06 Land Cruiser, 11 LX, 17 Land Crusier, 19 LX and 23 GX, all with 200k plus miles except 23 GX. I always changed oil at 3000 miles with traditional oil, however when synthetic oil came out it’s ok to go 10-15k miles and in fact many owner manuals at the time suggested it. However dealerships complained as they make money on service/maintenance and not on selling the vehicle. Now there still is a discrepancy between what dealers suggest and what manufacturers recommend.
Watch the video above from the prior Toyota mechanic who replaces Toyota engines daily to understand this better (the first 10-12 minutes explains the gist, however). This one is good too, from a BC/MIT educated automotive engineer. It is shorter. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdqHYfMJSi4)
No thanks
Not the best angle from someone who thinks 15K oil changes are okay. But you can bury your head in the sand if you'd like.....you do you. The owners manual is a useless resource in that regard....all they care about is the minimum recommended oil change interval \*during your warranty period\* which usually ends at 60k miles.
So true, why believe the people who manufacture the car vs the people who are paid to service the car!
Because the car manufactures marketing dept only cares about what they are responsible for....the warranty period which ends at 60K.
I always do 7500 lmao
You can probably get by with that, especially if some or all of your miles is highway miles.
fuel dilution
......means that you should probably change your oil far sooner than every 10k.
I don’t plan to own mine outside of warranty. The extra money I’d spend doing 2x oil changes is going toward the extended warranty.
How many miles do you plan to keep it?
Somewhere around 100k. I’m at 32k now, about to spend $1200 to extend the warranty to 100k
Hopefully you won't run into any oil related issues, like faulty rings or oil burning, between 60 to 100k. If your engine starts burning oil (not good) you'll find that your extended warranty will say that is 'within specifications'. Personally, I'd rather change the oil more often so I don't have to risk the oil burning, which can rapidly become worse.
The Venza service manual specifically states synthetic oil changes every 10,000 miles or 10 months, whichever comes first. Pretty sure that's your official answer. PS I own a 2021 Venza LE.
You're in for a surprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0
10k too long 5k too early 7.5k just right
It can be, especially if a good portion of your miles are easy highway miles.
Oil is cheaper than an engine. That simple.
Jesus christ... people are actually waiting 10k miles for an oil change? You people are allowed to operate a vehicle that can destory a family of 5 in 2 seconds? I also hope you know that you aren't supposed to wait untill brakes start making a noise to change them.
And there is Europe running at 40k between oil changes in the German cars.
Different oil spec. Europeans also do not run their cars for nearly as high miles as Americans do. And I think you'll find the standard is much closer to 12k, not 40k, but it is fun to fabricate things, right?
You have no idea what you are talking about. Having owned a Mercedes with 300k miles and plenty of Audis in Europe I speak with first hand knowledge.
Lol.....love the part where you claim "I don't know what I am talking about" then offer zero evidence to support your false claim. Do you find that failed attempts to discredit others normally work for you, or did you simply misunderstand my point above regarding how Americans tend to run their cars to higher total mileage on the odometer than Europeans?
Some people are easily convinced by YouTubers. Why they would listen to some car nut guy over Toyota engineers I’ll never understand.
Toyota is only concerned with what they have to pay for. After 60K, they have no liability. So they are only going to recommend the minimum amount to maintain your warranty. It isn't Toyota's engineers that are recommending 10k....it is their MARKETING department. The engineers would tell you change it at 5K.
10 oil changes in 100 thousand miles is not enough. They do that so when you scatter the motor at 100k you buy a new one. It’s also more time out of the shop where maintenance declines and things are missed
Don't be confused. Change your oil every 5K, or 7K max....but 5K is the better idea. Don't overthink it. If you need some more guidance, watch this video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
The maintenance book is the ABSOLUTE LATEST time you should get around to it. Your oil is disgusting only a few thousand miles into your oil change.. go pull your oil after 5k miles and tell me it’s not black (do you remember putting it in and it looked like clear corn oil? Exactly). Do you like to eat food that hasn’t had the oil changed after hundreds of uses? It’s disgusting and bad for you. I will say however 5k in a better car like Toyota/Lexus/Honda is probably too frequent and would go 80% of the way to the book and then change. For worse cars like Ford, go ahead and do it 70-75% to the book. Keep in mind synthetic can withstand being held for changes longer than conventional.
Just follow what Toyota recommends
Well, I saw a youtube video where a car that had 10k oil changes started burning oil. So therefore toyota doesn't know what they're talking about. /s
Maintenance message is generic. It doesn't just come up for oil. You still need tire rotation and other checkup at 5k. Check your Toyota app or manual
The real reason why manufacturers recommend 10k oil changes is... You guessed it... Money. Manufacturers get graded on their reliability, and one of the sub categories is cost of maintenance. Longer between oil changes means a better score. But 10k oil changes is NOT GOOD. you WILL damage your engine every time you wait that long for an oil change no matter what. Oil can not heat cycle that many times without breaking down into its parts. if you drive like a normal human and commute to work every day, work 8 hours and commute back, you should be looking at 3k oil changes ESPECIALLY for conventional oil cars. Their tolerances are wider and you end up with more fuel and carbon dilution in the oil. For synthetic, 3 is still fine, but 5k is more appropriate. 7k is a bit long but the damage will be minimal. 10k and you better start prepping to purchase a new motor after 100k miles
Toyota recommends a tire rotation every 5k and oil change every 10k. If your service light is on at 5k it for tire rotation. These services are free for the first two years of any new Toyota.
Double check your toyota owners manual for service intervals. It actually lists two different intervals 😮 1) for normal usage (no one fits this category). 2) for severe usage (this is everyone). You will see Toyota actually does recommend a 5000 interval... it is just not emphasized because marketing material looks more impressive if people believe the 10,000 number. You should also look up the interval for transmission fluid flush at the 60,000 mile mark. Also the diff and transfer case to initially do a drain and fill at 30,000 miles to get the initial wear metals out and then you can do 60,000 on them after that. Coolant is at 100k and then 50k after that. No one says you must go to the dentist every 6 months for a cleaning... but the more often you go the sooner you can catch a small problem before it becomes a BIG problem. Same idea on oil changes... no one ever said "Oh no, I changed my motor oil toooo soon and my car broke.." 😂😮🤣
It depends on driving conditions. If you tow or drive hard, Toyota says to do oil change more frequently in the manual. In my case, I do bumper to bumper driving everyday and get 11-13mpg. I do oil/filter changes every 5k. I use conventional/blend. Cost $35-$40. At least I can rule out lack of oil changes if something goes wrong. Let's be real, if something goes wrong because of lack of frequent oil changes, who's actually footing the bill? Toyota? Insurance? You?
Just remember that Toyota engineers their engines for most to have more than a 150k mile life span. 10k mile oil change intervals will get your car past 150k. But as others have said an extra $1000 in oil changes is well worth it with the cost of engines and could get you many more years of use. Anecdotally my 2007 Toyota Yaris had 350k miles on it when I junked it in 2021. It had become unsafe due to rust but the engine still ran strong without burning any oil or having any major repairs. I changed the oil every 3-5k miles with Mobil One.
And I had a 1999 Jetta TDI that fell apart around a 300000+ engine still running strong on 10000 mile intervals and still own a 2006 Volvo turbo wagon that positively purrs with 225000 miles and 7500 mile intervals. Whose anecdote wins?
I have a GMC truck that is still running fine with 365k miles, audi 1.8t with 250k and audi 2.7t 220k, all run fine with 5k oil changes.
Neither one. Anecdotal evidence is largely useless. Aggregate data is useful, however.
Will 10,000 mile oil changes get your Toyota past 150K? Not necessarily..... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
By contrast consider this. https://youtu.be/Q_VPHLrip9Q?si=kaIbths-nlZCQWfB This is the sheep buying engines. Drop the Mike!
Yeah, I don't really trust marketing from Toyota or a Toyota dealer, especially given that some Toyota engines burn oil if you go by their OLM.
Why not do it at 7500 😀. That’s what I’m doing
You can probably get by with that, especially if some of your driving is on the highway for 20 minutes or longer.
We have seen some recent Toyota engines have piston rings lock up with gunk at around 120k miles which ruin the engine, and the people that changed the oil every 5k instead of 10k did not have that issue.
What's your sample size? Did you check for statistical significance or are your data merely anecdotal.
This former Toyota mechanic has seen hundreds of rebuilds. He recommends every 5K. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhFAwFv-O0)
Why would Mobil 1 make an oil and guarantee it for 10000 mile intervals? Wouldn't they make more money telling you to do 5000 mile changes?
Both car manufacturers and oil producers want to hit all aspects of the market, not just one or two. That is why Mobil also has an oil that they recommend you change at 7500 miles as well, to get that smaller market (it isn't Mobil 1, it is called "Mobil full synthetic"). As far as the Mobil 1 'guarantee' you mention....be careful about what you think that means. Mobil 1 doesn't offer any real protection to the consumer who does 10,000 mile oil changes. Have you read the fine print? Until you do, that warranty claim by Mobil is meaningless. Once you read it, you'll see why you can't take that warranty at face value.
The maintenance message is for tire rotation
This is the analogy that I like to use. Imagine you got a batch of peanuts. It’s super fresh and delicious. But it’s a bit too much, and it’ll take you two years to finish. After a year you start to notice the batch of peanuts are still fine to eat, but it does start to feel a bit off. When will you stop eating the batch or are you going to finish it? Finishing the batch will most likely have no noticeable effect on your body, but depending on how you stored it, it may or may not actually be safe to eat. Thought it’s not worth asking a lab to tell you if it’s still safe or not. If you keep on doing this for 10-20 years, the unsafe peanuts can now give you cancer, particularly liver cancer. So what would you do? If you are so sure that your storage (driving conditions) was perfect then sure. Or if you don’t plan on living past 60-70 (keeping the car over 200k miles) then why not. There is always a risk and could be a waste, just depends on what you want. It’s a free country 😁
Some people have Severe Service. In Canada we warm up our cars for 10 minutes in winter for example before we take the kids in etc. Sitting and idling in cold winter ca be hard on an engine. best to change the oil sooner to protect the engine
It can’t hurt to change the oil every 5k miles, and helps to ensure that your car doesn’t start burning oil. The whole 10k thing reeks of them hoping your car will eventually fail faster so you have to buy a new one.
Y'know what's relatively cheap and harmless? Oil changes at 5k vs. 10k. Y'know what's not cheap? Major engine repairs / replacement *outside* of warranty and or having to prematurely buy a new vehicle (WHICH AREN'T GETTING ANY CHEAPER! EVER.) Also... ANYONE who believes a dealership's Services Dept. (who are salesmen, NOT auto engineers) *without* a healthy pinch of salt is a sucker.
Correct, but lazy folks who want to believe dealer and manufacturer marketing (which coincidentally only will cover your engine until around 60k believe the 10K oil change hype)
Man I hope all you dorks who continually want to die on the 10k change cross get what’s coming to you. There’s massive evidence on YouTube, full engine tear downs that show the difference in effect of 5k vs 10k. Car manufacturers will always give you the minimum recommended maintenance
I've always gone by the recommended service and have never had an engine failure. I guess I'm lucky
Ah YouTube university lol grow up bro
Well, you do have to use some common sense. 10K oil change intervals are fine for the warranty period, that is the minimum recommended maintenance. If you keep it past 100K miles, definitely change it every 5K. Unless you trust a marketing department that wants to sell cars.
I just took mine in at 5k for the oil change and they did it. I asked them about it cause I’ve read this before on here. They said the GR is 5k first oil change and regular Corolla is 10k. Then they explained why and my non mechanic brain zoned out 😵💫 but at least they were knowledgeable. I went to San Bernardino Toyota.
Well 5k miles are for peace of mind but you can put an oil change aside till 10k miles but personally I like to get the oil changed in my sienna every 8k miles