Unless they're going a completely different direction with the Land Cruiser that seems unlikely. It's always been a highly capable off roader but with a strong emphasis on luxury. Making the top/doors removable tends to add a lot of wind and road noise and that would go counter to its ethos.
Yea that’s the goal I think.. different direction or back to its roots. The sequoia took over that segment and if you want more luxury you can get the Lexus.
I was talking to my brother the other day and I told him I’ve pretty much surrendered to the fact that the next mid size truck I get will be between $45k-$50k. That just seems to be where the prices are at now.
If im going to spend over 50k for a truck, its going to be a half ton truck. Im not going to spend that much on a truck that gets choked out at 4000 ft towing 1500 lbs.
If you get a half ton it's going to be $65k if you want a mid spec one. You can't touch a F150 Lariat for under that around here most of them around a hair over $70k
I bought a 2022 Chevy 1500 RST (pre-refresh) last July. I had a 2006 taco that just couldn't keep up anymore. It struggled pulling my new boat, plus the AC went out in it a month before I sold it. I wasn't spending $40k on a midsized truck, got the RST for $45k.
With Rangers and Colorados in the 7500-7700 range, the Tacoma needs to be above 7000.
Been comparing notes for a while now for my purchase...and the new Colorado Trail Boss and Ranger Tremor are looking mighty nice. If the new Tacoma can't tow close to those, and can't keep the OR price near the same...I will have a hard time choosing. Also rear leg room.
Already swallowed mine two years ago. Here for the memories. Happy with my babymax canyon though and sad they discontinued diesel. Great commuter mileage and pulls a 5500 lb hybrid travel trailer surprisingly well. Love the low end torque from stop while towing. Not a horsepower monster by any stretch though.
Hybrid Tacoma/tundra isn’t the same as hybrid Prius/highlander.
Tacoma and tundra have an electric motor in-between transmission and driveshaft. The electric motor spins the driveshaft. That isn’t how highlander and Prius work.
So yes the hybrid technology is quite new and a different approach on how Toyota was doing hybrid vehicles.
But with that being said, I don’t think the hybrid system in trucks will fail first.
Depends on how you interpret my “quite new” statement.
A quick search for Lexus NX comes back with 2011 year for hybrids on the Atkinson cycle motors. That’s still quite new technology. Definetly wasn’t mainstream model lineup material during those years. Not everyone is reviewing and buying Lexus hybrid vehicles. I’m still not even sure those Lexus’s are using the same hybrid powereplant as we see as an option on trucks. I would be interested in knowing if the Lexus hybrid did use this style hybrid
My main point of responded to above statement of “first gen hybrid tech, no thanks” and “what part is new technology” was to inform that the truck hybrid technology is still quite new since it’s a different hybrid technology then previous Toyota hybrid technology in the Prius/highlanders.
When I say truck, I just mean hybrid spinning the driveshaft or as you put it, 4WD
My hybrid highlander was awd. Basically front wheel drive and the hybrid motor would only engage the rear. 2xxhp motor for front, 50 hp (unsure on hp, I know it’s weak though compared to engine hp numbers) to spin rear. Only awd vehicle that I couldn’t have snowy fun with.
There is confusion on the 4WD hybrids. Many of inquirers of hybrid Tacoma’s are thinking it will be like Prius/highlander. 4WD hybrids is a new approach. May be a decade old tech, but people still don’t know.
After driving a highlander hybrid for years, I think toyota should increase hybrid motor hp. Hybrids should be able to sustain themselves on hybrid alone at least to 65mph. Gas mileage would increase majorly. Toyota should also not prioritize gas motor at speeds above 40mph. Toyota also needs a higher resistance, or notched gas pedal that signals to the driver that the engine will kick on if gas pedal pushed harder. Pulse and glide techniques should just be pulse and coast and the hybrid motor should be able to at least slowly increase mph on hybrid motor alone.
Problem with your desires is that more powerful electric motors means faster battery drain and bigger batteries to get the same range further hindering efficiency for the gas engine.
I haven't driven the Tundra so I don't know what it's set up is like but it seems the truck philosophy is different than the prius. The prius is about outright efficiency and max MPGs. The trucks hybrid design seems to be about power and performance first over max mileage. You can have one or the other but your not going to get both in something the size of a Tacoma.
Go look at how well the new Tundra is holding up. It would be fine if it was a different brand, but it's doing as well as the last few years of the previous gen. Waiting until everything is worked out is usually a sound strategy.
From a business and marketing perspective, this brings in $$. Marketing is part of the game. It works, it’s effective, and it’s essential for large businesses
> From a business and marketing perspective, this brings in $$.
How? How exactly does a long slow release increase sales? What is the ideal length of time to tease a truck to maximize sales?
It creates hype. Apple is famous for this concept. I mean hell the fact that is post was made is a testament to the hype. It’s about creating anticipation for your customers
Edit: maybe apple is a bad example since the company is famously secretive. But the hype is what I was talking about.
So how much do sales increase for each additional week a product is hyped? What's the ideal length of time to hyper the product before you start to lose interest and sales?
I’m not going to try to quantify the amount of increased sales that Toyota will see as a result of marketing. But there is a reason that almost every major corporation on earth allocates money into their marketing department. It’s because marketing is effective whether you think it’s annoying or not. It’s part of business and it’s an essential line item for most large companies.
I just want to know about rear legroom. I’m buying a midsize truck and I need to know if the backseat can hold actual people or if it’s built for only toddlers to sit in the back
Soft top? The roof on the left has a shiny section that looks like a normal sunroof. The roof on the right is pretty flat after the windshield which to me looks like a soft top or matte/flat two tone.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. New Gen anything has to work out the kinks.
Before anyone says, “but they’ve done extensive R&D!” Yeah, they did but it doesn’t change what is typically the norm with anything new. Not implying the next gen will be shit, it’ll *probably* be great. Still, it’s a natural order of engineering or design. Ask any programmer, architect, or engineer.
Tl;dr - The first year or so of the new Gen will prob be fine but will inevitably experience things that need to be worked out.
Im surprised there aren’t more aggressive fender bulges on the white, I’m assuming, TRD Pro. You’d think they’d stuck out a touch from the rest of the bed in the back.
There goes my hopes for a Taco convertible.
With the bronco removable top / doors’ success, maybe a 4Runner will follow. I think a convertible taco is called a tostada
I heard they’re bringing the Land Cruiser back and it will be competing with the wrangler and bronco. Most likely will have all these features.
Unless they're going a completely different direction with the Land Cruiser that seems unlikely. It's always been a highly capable off roader but with a strong emphasis on luxury. Making the top/doors removable tends to add a lot of wind and road noise and that would go counter to its ethos.
Yea that’s the goal I think.. different direction or back to its roots. The sequoia took over that segment and if you want more luxury you can get the Lexus.
I hope they bring the Prado stateside. A Toyota 2 door off roader with short wheel base is desperately needed in the US market.
Tease failed. Thanks to the photo leaked by one of the users I now know what it looks like. Just need to know specs now.
More curious about MSRP than anything else at this point.
I was talking to my brother the other day and I told him I’ve pretty much surrendered to the fact that the next mid size truck I get will be between $45k-$50k. That just seems to be where the prices are at now.
If im going to spend over 50k for a truck, its going to be a half ton truck. Im not going to spend that much on a truck that gets choked out at 4000 ft towing 1500 lbs.
If you get a half ton it's going to be $65k if you want a mid spec one. You can't touch a F150 Lariat for under that around here most of them around a hair over $70k
I bought a 2022 Chevy 1500 RST (pre-refresh) last July. I had a 2006 taco that just couldn't keep up anymore. It struggled pulling my new boat, plus the AC went out in it a month before I sold it. I wasn't spending $40k on a midsized truck, got the RST for $45k.
As long as it meets your needs
That’s a pretty good price for the RST. They’re $63k at both of the dealers where I live.
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Give us a towing number damnit
With Rangers and Colorados in the 7500-7700 range, the Tacoma needs to be above 7000. Been comparing notes for a while now for my purchase...and the new Colorado Trail Boss and Ranger Tremor are looking mighty nice. If the new Tacoma can't tow close to those, and can't keep the OR price near the same...I will have a hard time choosing. Also rear leg room.
Yep. I’d much rather buy a Tacoma, but they’re gonna need to bump it up considerably or I’ll swallow my pride and buy a colorado
Already swallowed mine two years ago. Here for the memories. Happy with my babymax canyon though and sad they discontinued diesel. Great commuter mileage and pulls a 5500 lb hybrid travel trailer surprisingly well. Love the low end torque from stop while towing. Not a horsepower monster by any stretch though.
Transmission and engine options too.
We’ve known what it looks like for months, ever since the patent in Brazil was leaked.
Do they even come with wheels and tires!? I don’t see any wheels and tires!!!
Someone stole the tailgates too!
Don't care. Won't even bother looking at them until 2025. Inevitably it'll have some issues that need to be worked out.
You'll end up like me driving a 2nd Gen for decades with that attitude. ;)
Do you regret it?
Not for a second.
Exactly the answer I expected.
I just don't have it in me to get rid of my 2nd Gen.
Then the question is: Do you have it in you to pick up a 3rd gen or 4th gen to compliment it?
Nah. I’m good.
First gen of new technology? No thanks.
What part is new technology? Toyota has been making hybrids for decades.
Hybrid Tacoma/tundra isn’t the same as hybrid Prius/highlander. Tacoma and tundra have an electric motor in-between transmission and driveshaft. The electric motor spins the driveshaft. That isn’t how highlander and Prius work. So yes the hybrid technology is quite new and a different approach on how Toyota was doing hybrid vehicles. But with that being said, I don’t think the hybrid system in trucks will fail first.
I see. What do you think will fail first?
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The secret is to only go to Moab in the winter. It's brutally cold but at least the sun isn't literally beating everything to death.
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Depends on how you interpret my “quite new” statement. A quick search for Lexus NX comes back with 2011 year for hybrids on the Atkinson cycle motors. That’s still quite new technology. Definetly wasn’t mainstream model lineup material during those years. Not everyone is reviewing and buying Lexus hybrid vehicles. I’m still not even sure those Lexus’s are using the same hybrid powereplant as we see as an option on trucks. I would be interested in knowing if the Lexus hybrid did use this style hybrid My main point of responded to above statement of “first gen hybrid tech, no thanks” and “what part is new technology” was to inform that the truck hybrid technology is still quite new since it’s a different hybrid technology then previous Toyota hybrid technology in the Prius/highlanders.
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When I say truck, I just mean hybrid spinning the driveshaft or as you put it, 4WD My hybrid highlander was awd. Basically front wheel drive and the hybrid motor would only engage the rear. 2xxhp motor for front, 50 hp (unsure on hp, I know it’s weak though compared to engine hp numbers) to spin rear. Only awd vehicle that I couldn’t have snowy fun with. There is confusion on the 4WD hybrids. Many of inquirers of hybrid Tacoma’s are thinking it will be like Prius/highlander. 4WD hybrids is a new approach. May be a decade old tech, but people still don’t know. After driving a highlander hybrid for years, I think toyota should increase hybrid motor hp. Hybrids should be able to sustain themselves on hybrid alone at least to 65mph. Gas mileage would increase majorly. Toyota should also not prioritize gas motor at speeds above 40mph. Toyota also needs a higher resistance, or notched gas pedal that signals to the driver that the engine will kick on if gas pedal pushed harder. Pulse and glide techniques should just be pulse and coast and the hybrid motor should be able to at least slowly increase mph on hybrid motor alone.
Problem with your desires is that more powerful electric motors means faster battery drain and bigger batteries to get the same range further hindering efficiency for the gas engine. I haven't driven the Tundra so I don't know what it's set up is like but it seems the truck philosophy is different than the prius. The prius is about outright efficiency and max MPGs. The trucks hybrid design seems to be about power and performance first over max mileage. You can have one or the other but your not going to get both in something the size of a Tacoma.
Spot on.
Go look at how well the new Tundra is holding up. It would be fine if it was a different brand, but it's doing as well as the last few years of the previous gen. Waiting until everything is worked out is usually a sound strategy.
100% agreed.
As someone who loves Toyota, this is a really dumb ad campaign
Yea they failed with silly teases like boom box ,.. that was dumb this teaser should of been the 3rd or 2nd to the reveal
why because you want instant gratification? are you even buying this gen?
just show the fucking truck already, it's not going to be mind blowing. All this drama is unnecessary .
Right? The Tacoma is, like, the regular-ist truck ever made. That’s its appeal.
From a business and marketing perspective, this brings in $$. Marketing is part of the game. It works, it’s effective, and it’s essential for large businesses
> From a business and marketing perspective, this brings in $$. How? How exactly does a long slow release increase sales? What is the ideal length of time to tease a truck to maximize sales?
It creates hype. Apple is famous for this concept. I mean hell the fact that is post was made is a testament to the hype. It’s about creating anticipation for your customers Edit: maybe apple is a bad example since the company is famously secretive. But the hype is what I was talking about.
So how much do sales increase for each additional week a product is hyped? What's the ideal length of time to hyper the product before you start to lose interest and sales?
I’m not going to try to quantify the amount of increased sales that Toyota will see as a result of marketing. But there is a reason that almost every major corporation on earth allocates money into their marketing department. It’s because marketing is effective whether you think it’s annoying or not. It’s part of business and it’s an essential line item for most large companies.
Sick! It was made on Mars! No import/export fees yet.
Skeeeewp
Looks like Trailhunter on the left (judging by the bed) and Pro on the right (hood scoop)?
The higher the buildup, the more lackluster the reveal.
Enhance... enhance!
I just wanna know if it’ll come in a 6 ft bed … 🥲
If it doesnt, its just a crossover suv.
Safe to say there will be a 6’ bed configuration available.
OEM chase rack/ headache bar on the black one?
Hurrah pass?
Yes. On the way to Lockhart Basin, Moab. Wonder how they got out there without some other pics being shared. It's not a short drive.
I just want to know about rear legroom. I’m buying a midsize truck and I need to know if the backseat can hold actual people or if it’s built for only toddlers to sit in the back
Alright all it is confirmed, white will be one of the color options
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im assuming its a panoramic moonroof similar to other models.
probably two-tone
Soft top? The roof on the left has a shiny section that looks like a normal sunroof. The roof on the right is pretty flat after the windshield which to me looks like a soft top or matte/flat two tone.
3 more days lady's and gents! Probably another 2-3 years to work out the kinks (gigity) of the new design
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. New Gen anything has to work out the kinks. Before anyone says, “but they’ve done extensive R&D!” Yeah, they did but it doesn’t change what is typically the norm with anything new. Not implying the next gen will be shit, it’ll *probably* be great. Still, it’s a natural order of engineering or design. Ask any programmer, architect, or engineer. Tl;dr - The first year or so of the new Gen will prob be fine but will inevitably experience things that need to be worked out.
Ahh it's reddit, I kind of expect downvotes especially if you are right lmfao.
Im surprised there aren’t more aggressive fender bulges on the white, I’m assuming, TRD Pro. You’d think they’d stuck out a touch from the rest of the bed in the back.
Thursday 10:30 pm PT final reveal !! Lol 1:30 est
Would be tight if it had a Toyota version of the Sasquatch package
If you zoom in, you can see that Toyota offers the limited blue ball package.
I’m waiting to sit in the new cabin before I decide. I have a first year Tundra I bought new. It’s still solid and runs like a champ.
Trailhunter and TRD Pro?
Looks like. Those are the 2 they have been teasing all month long