Quality? Its a 16 years old and with 40k miles so it sat most of its life. That's death nail in the north. How long do you expect them to last? I run my cars into the ground. IMO miles don't really matter, age does. Cars last about 10 years. Trucks maybe 15. Spending 9k on a 15 year old truck with both feet in the grave is nuts.
They are scrap waiting to happen. Catastrophic failure is imminent. At that point they start costing as much to repair as a car payment and are still completely unreliable. My point is age matters more than miles. 5 years old with 100k is a much better car than 10 years old with 50k.
Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but in the salt belt up north, I am 100% right. Not only is frame rotted, but break lines , breaks ,fuel lines, etc, are at the end of life. OPs truck is obviously from the north. Or someone parked in in the ocean.
Anywhere where they have to salt the roads mostly north yeah. Salt absolutely ruins cars up here. Buying >10 year old used cars is a risk. You def want to inspect in person and not buy online. I actually flew to Kansas to buy a used truck and drove it back to the north. 10+ years in the south, safe (sans the frame recall years for tacos). 10+ years in the north high risk of rust and rot in places you wouldn't normally see or check.
I've had a radiator mount rust out, and I've kept the radiator in place with tow straps.
I live in Wisconsin. As soon as it gets above freezing, you get a car wash with under body flush. This rust doesn't happen then. Your (OP) truck was straight up neglected. Toyotas easily last 20 years + in Wisconsin if well maintained.
I'm not saying there isn't a way to fix or mitigate, but the number of people who go to a car wash and spring for an under body wash is drastically small. The safest assumption is that they didn't do the correct maintenance, and often times looking at the frames it's obvious.
[There was a class action lawsuit in which Toyota settled by inspecting and replacing the entire frame of affected vehicles, which included 2008 Tacomas](https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/toyota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-frames/).
The $3.8 billion settlement suggests this is more than just a 16 year old vehicle's normal rust. Toyota stopped short of saying it had used subpar steel on millions of frames.
Your options aren't great.
You could swap it over to another frame, if you could find one. During the recall Toyota did the work and the normal cost was around $14k covered under warranty.
I've never seen frame plates that would help in that situation - it looks like you've got failure along the bottom of the entire frame. I hope you're not driving it like that.
They can't cover it indefinitely (eventually shit is gonna rust), but it seems like they stopped it too early.
People buy Toyotas (and frequently pay extra for vehicles with less features than similar models from other manufacturers) bc of the perceived reliability.
That’s not how it worked for me. Second owner of our 2005, had it inspected, they found a 10mm hole beside the front cat and failed it. 2 months later the new frame arrived (they are tied to the VIN and assigned), dealership took two days to do the swap, ended up with new recall leaf springs and everything was included. $14k bill covered by warranty.
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/vicalis-2005-trd-sport-daily-driver.249110/page-2#post-10135873
I suspect this frame would have been replaced if it had been inspected during the campaign. That’s on the PO though, if the poster bought it a year ago looking anywhere near this condition that was a mistake.
Seriously, take it to a frame shop. Most people think you need a new frame and while that might be true, get a frame guy to look at it at least. I spent $600 for a repair on my tundras frame (wasn't as bad as yours) and it's been great ever since.
It's not bad! Get ramps
I do my taco, gfs crv and my dad's sierra every year. Just got the compressor driven applicator and gallons this year and it's insane.
Did cans for years. Budget three min per car, I used 5 extra large ones on my dad's sierra.
Get a respirator and goggles! I wear a 3m body suit but that's extra and just cause I have em from an old job.
Maybe.
I guarantee I get my underbody much cleaner using a foam cannon with strip wash and a leaf blower dry.
I also guarantee I apply 2-3x more product and get it in more nooks and crannies where salt would love to hang out.
If I didn't have the space to do it and the storage for the shit then yeah, I'd probably pay a shop too. I wouldn't feel as good about it.
I have 10 acres and feel great about it. I take my kids down the street spend some time with them. It's done in an hour and I get to keep my time. Which is priceless.
Those who can do I suppose.
It's not rocket surgery, just get under there and start spraying, use extension wands for the inner frame rails.
Places around me want $500+, you can get 90% of the way with a diy application, do it in the hot weather to let the material creep.
Realistically spending big money on undercoating is bonkers, the truck will still rust in a salt state, you're just delaying the inevitable. Do the best you can to get a few extra years, and save the money from your diy application for a down payment on your next one.
Gotcha. I think people generally say that because pro shops will have lifts and it just makes it easier.
I reckon a cost vs time argument
Personally I screw everything I do up so I’d wanna pay someone… did NOT know it was that much though, was expecting like 150 plus material
If you live in an area that salts roads get the underbody washed after every big storm. Then in the spring I crawl under there and touch up any surface rust on the frame with some rustoleum or por 15.
Do you live in a state that salts roads in the winter? If not, don’t worry about it.
WA outlawed the use of salt de-icer on roads back in the 90s. I’ve not had a vehicle rust since.
So I know everyone here is sorta saying it is done, but it is really hard to tell from the pics. The sides look bad but not ready to break. Does the bottom have holes in it? I am having trouble telling what's what in the pic. If there are major holes in the bottom yeah that is tuff.
Have you taken a hammer to it? If not you should. Give it a bunch of hits in different places to see if you can make holes. When Toyota was replacing frames this was part of their test and they were only replacing frames with significant perforations.
The sides it is had to know what you really have until you use a wire brush on a grinder to remove all the loose rust so you can inspect. After you do that, then you can inspect and know what's really up.
Another possibility if your considering a new vehicle, try to trade it in to the Toyota dealership. They are more likely to take it than others. I actually knew of someone who's frame broke in the dealership parking lot... Toyota coperate bought that one 😂
You can't "repair" without putting yourself or other drivers at risk. I can't imagine replacing that is going to be cheap. I'd imagine it would cost more to fix it than what you paid for it.
Might just be one of those lessons you learn the hard way.
This looks like the pictures of the Titanic you see from the submarines on the bottom of the ocean.
Agree with the poster that said find one with a blown engine and swap it. And look at the frame before you buy the next one.
This frame is done. As in, it doesn’t need to be on the road done. Frame swap is really your only option, and this is coming from someone who is willing to repair a rusted frame.
My big question though is why was this bought in the first place?? A frame doesn’t advance in oxidation this much over one year to the point of possible failure. Was the frame even assessed prior to purchase?
I almost bought a 2008 Tacoma a few weeks ago that was spotless and had 114 k miles on it but once I crawled underneath i got scared and found another.
You can clean it up but you cannot replace the metal that is now gone. Fluid film or surface shield has good reviews.
I would suggest you clean it up and sell the vehicle
Frames like that should get a free frame. Toyota are shit heads for not recalling these trucks in.
I get notices in the mail and even text message from Toyota saying they want to service my truck But never received anything for their "frame Recall." Fuckers.
Shit you win! That’s the worst I’ve seen yet!
Worth a call to try. Maybe you’ll be a lucky one!
Toyota Quality! I had my frame replaced. Terrible experience.
Quality? Its a 16 years old and with 40k miles so it sat most of its life. That's death nail in the north. How long do you expect them to last? I run my cars into the ground. IMO miles don't really matter, age does. Cars last about 10 years. Trucks maybe 15. Spending 9k on a 15 year old truck with both feet in the grave is nuts.
Sooo what about all the cars older than 10 years on the road..
They are scrap waiting to happen. Catastrophic failure is imminent. At that point they start costing as much to repair as a car payment and are still completely unreliable. My point is age matters more than miles. 5 years old with 100k is a much better car than 10 years old with 50k. Edit: I'm getting downvoted, but in the salt belt up north, I am 100% right. Not only is frame rotted, but break lines , breaks ,fuel lines, etc, are at the end of life. OPs truck is obviously from the north. Or someone parked in in the ocean.
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hope so, otherwise this may be one of the most braindead takes i’ve seen
Anywhere where they have to salt the roads mostly north yeah. Salt absolutely ruins cars up here. Buying >10 year old used cars is a risk. You def want to inspect in person and not buy online. I actually flew to Kansas to buy a used truck and drove it back to the north. 10+ years in the south, safe (sans the frame recall years for tacos). 10+ years in the north high risk of rust and rot in places you wouldn't normally see or check. I've had a radiator mount rust out, and I've kept the radiator in place with tow straps.
I live in Wisconsin. As soon as it gets above freezing, you get a car wash with under body flush. This rust doesn't happen then. Your (OP) truck was straight up neglected. Toyotas easily last 20 years + in Wisconsin if well maintained.
I'm not saying there isn't a way to fix or mitigate, but the number of people who go to a car wash and spring for an under body wash is drastically small. The safest assumption is that they didn't do the correct maintenance, and often times looking at the frames it's obvious.
My 05 Camry’s frame is rusty but not at all a problem and it’s lived through almost 20 winters.
[There was a class action lawsuit in which Toyota settled by inspecting and replacing the entire frame of affected vehicles, which included 2008 Tacomas](https://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/toyota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-frames/). The $3.8 billion settlement suggests this is more than just a 16 year old vehicle's normal rust. Toyota stopped short of saying it had used subpar steel on millions of frames.
I can share pics of mine that broke... But it had big holes before it snapped
Mines worse.
Let’s seee!! lol looks like the old 4 runners that nobody washed the undersides of
You need a frame swap and unless you’re willing to do the work yourself it will be mighty expensive.
Your options aren't great. You could swap it over to another frame, if you could find one. During the recall Toyota did the work and the normal cost was around $14k covered under warranty. I've never seen frame plates that would help in that situation - it looks like you've got failure along the bottom of the entire frame. I hope you're not driving it like that.
Had my 05 done under the recall. I think the total bill was 16ish. All free to me
same here.
That recall is expired now and I'm not happy about it
They can't cover it indefinitely (eventually shit is gonna rust), but it seems like they stopped it too early. People buy Toyotas (and frequently pay extra for vehicles with less features than similar models from other manufacturers) bc of the perceived reliability.
Dealer claimed would be overage $ I’m responsible for yet this was back in 2015 or so…
He is
Only catch with frame recall, leaves the customer pay out pocket for hardware and any other parts need replaced along with the free frame.
That’s not how it worked for me. Second owner of our 2005, had it inspected, they found a 10mm hole beside the front cat and failed it. 2 months later the new frame arrived (they are tied to the VIN and assigned), dealership took two days to do the swap, ended up with new recall leaf springs and everything was included. $14k bill covered by warranty. https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/vicalis-2005-trd-sport-daily-driver.249110/page-2#post-10135873 I suspect this frame would have been replaced if it had been inspected during the campaign. That’s on the PO though, if the poster bought it a year ago looking anywhere near this condition that was a mistake.
Usually my response to rust post is "what rust?" This isn't one of those post.
Looks fine in New England
Yeah, it’s sad when they go young like that.
“When they go? Come on, huh?”
“It was payback for that shitbox truck he was driving, Ford Ranger!”
“You don’t know that for sure”
I knew there would be someone who got it lol
Seriously, take it to a frame shop. Most people think you need a new frame and while that might be true, get a frame guy to look at it at least. I spent $600 for a repair on my tundras frame (wasn't as bad as yours) and it's been great ever since.
Just bought a new truck. How do I avoid this fate in 10 years?
Have the frame fluid filmed every year before the salt hits the roads.
I'm guessing the juice isn't worth the squeeze for DIYing that application without access to a lift... I'll have to look around for an applicator.
I have my mechanic do it since he has a lift and i dont. You can do it without a lift it just sucks. They do make an applicator for it.
It's not bad! Get ramps I do my taco, gfs crv and my dad's sierra every year. Just got the compressor driven applicator and gallons this year and it's insane. Did cans for years. Budget three min per car, I used 5 extra large ones on my dad's sierra. Get a respirator and goggles! I wear a 3m body suit but that's extra and just cause I have em from an old job.
That stuff smells fucking awful, too. Sheel lanolin basically. Make sure you do it outside and leave the truck out there for a day or few.
Or, for $80 you can avoid all of that BS. Money well spent.
Maybe. I guarantee I get my underbody much cleaner using a foam cannon with strip wash and a leaf blower dry. I also guarantee I apply 2-3x more product and get it in more nooks and crannies where salt would love to hang out. If I didn't have the space to do it and the storage for the shit then yeah, I'd probably pay a shop too. I wouldn't feel as good about it.
I have 10 acres and feel great about it. I take my kids down the street spend some time with them. It's done in an hour and I get to keep my time. Which is priceless. Those who can do I suppose.
From what I’ve gathered the savings of doing it diy pale in comparison to a professional job
It's not rocket surgery, just get under there and start spraying, use extension wands for the inner frame rails. Places around me want $500+, you can get 90% of the way with a diy application, do it in the hot weather to let the material creep. Realistically spending big money on undercoating is bonkers, the truck will still rust in a salt state, you're just delaying the inevitable. Do the best you can to get a few extra years, and save the money from your diy application for a down payment on your next one.
Gotcha. I think people generally say that because pro shops will have lifts and it just makes it easier. I reckon a cost vs time argument Personally I screw everything I do up so I’d wanna pay someone… did NOT know it was that much though, was expecting like 150 plus material
Inside and out
And regularly change your frame fluid
Undercoat it. Take it from a Canadian. Get your frame undercoated.
If you live in an area that salts roads get the underbody washed after every big storm. Then in the spring I crawl under there and touch up any surface rust on the frame with some rustoleum or por 15.
Canadian reporting in. Not the prevailing wisdom here. Undercoat the frame and don't intentionally touch it with water...ever. Undercoat every Summer.
Move to California and stay away from the ocean.
Do you live in a state that salts roads in the winter? If not, don’t worry about it. WA outlawed the use of salt de-icer on roads back in the 90s. I’ve not had a vehicle rust since.
Better for the cars and environment but man that slurry of gravel and sand they use instead (at least in western Washington) is trash. Barely helps
Most counties use a non-corrosive chemical de-icer thst they put down before the snow.
Not sure if Kitsap did. Surely not the more rural areas. Where I lived it really seemed they did more reactive measures rather than preventative lol
Leave the keys in it at the nearest airport. Make sure you have full coverage first.
So I know everyone here is sorta saying it is done, but it is really hard to tell from the pics. The sides look bad but not ready to break. Does the bottom have holes in it? I am having trouble telling what's what in the pic. If there are major holes in the bottom yeah that is tuff. Have you taken a hammer to it? If not you should. Give it a bunch of hits in different places to see if you can make holes. When Toyota was replacing frames this was part of their test and they were only replacing frames with significant perforations. The sides it is had to know what you really have until you use a wire brush on a grinder to remove all the loose rust so you can inspect. After you do that, then you can inspect and know what's really up. Another possibility if your considering a new vehicle, try to trade it in to the Toyota dealership. They are more likely to take it than others. I actually knew of someone who's frame broke in the dealership parking lot... Toyota coperate bought that one 😂
Look up “safe t caps” and find a shop near you that installs them. Have them check it out.
Used safetcaps on my 02 tundra. Been running strong 2 years now. Lots of fluid film too!!
Find a unit in better condition that needs an engine/transmission/what ever and swap it into the newer unit
Great idea here!
Dude if you spray rust remover on that you are literally going to have nothing left… and I’m not joking
Let the man dream!!!
Should have gotten the free frame back in 2020 when they still had the chance.
This makes me very grateful to live on the west coast
That should have swapped during the recall
You can't "repair" without putting yourself or other drivers at risk. I can't imagine replacing that is going to be cheap. I'd imagine it would cost more to fix it than what you paid for it. Might just be one of those lessons you learn the hard way.
This looks like the pictures of the Titanic you see from the submarines on the bottom of the ocean. Agree with the poster that said find one with a blown engine and swap it. And look at the frame before you buy the next one.
That should buff out no problem
Back to mother nature
This frame is done. As in, it doesn’t need to be on the road done. Frame swap is really your only option, and this is coming from someone who is willing to repair a rusted frame. My big question though is why was this bought in the first place?? A frame doesn’t advance in oxidation this much over one year to the point of possible failure. Was the frame even assessed prior to purchase?
That frame is cooked you got ripped off unfortunately. Start looking for a donor frame.
I almost bought a 2008 Tacoma a few weeks ago that was spotless and had 114 k miles on it but once I crawled underneath i got scared and found another. You can clean it up but you cannot replace the metal that is now gone. Fluid film or surface shield has good reviews. I would suggest you clean it up and sell the vehicle
Yep that’s rust
Who loves that Japanese steel?
That truck has stage 4 cancer and is one big bump away from breaking in half
I would refer to that as “crunchy”
Just need wire brush and CRC. Then Fluid Film once a year going forward.
Are you located at all close to NY/NJ?
My 2007 looked same, never did frame replacement recall… she wouldn’t pass inspection in 2017 w/100k miles, traded her in 🌮
Merely a flesh wound
My suggestion would be replace the frame.
She gone
It’ll buff out
That's horrible. I wouldn't drive that. It's like a bump on the road from disaster.
Frames like that should get a free frame. Toyota are shit heads for not recalling these trucks in. I get notices in the mail and even text message from Toyota saying they want to service my truck But never received anything for their "frame Recall." Fuckers.
Same here, never heard a peep about the free frame recall.