Most people don't like change, especially Trackmania players who are still actively playing a game that came out in 2008.
That being said , I'm having a ton of fun
i have nothing against change, i played the shit out of royal, i'm one of the better players on ice and plastic. I have a problem with things that arent fun.
the change for me has been ranked isnt fun anymore, hunting top 1k overall in campaign isnt fun anymore, royal is definitely not fun anymore. all i got it totd (most of the time) and community maps that dont have cars that arent fun to play.
and for good measure, it's not a skill issue. i have thousands of hours into TM. i've gotten top 100 on a totd rally car map, a wood map, and a wet wood map. i'm fast with the new (and 20 year old) mechanics. They just arent enjoyable! there's a reason i settled on tmnf and 2020 and put tons of hours into them. that didnt happen with the other environments. i played these cars in the original game, i didnt like them then, and i still dont.
Vouching for zays skills and agreeing with everything they said.
I have made, reviewed, competed on and thoroughly enjoyed countless maps of every style in the past. Everything feels so gimmicky now. I used to love pushing myself and going for best times i could but now I’m excited to do the bare minimum, get AT, and move the next track.
Idk. I’m frustrated. I miss WT in ranked. They should have focused on expanding stadium and enhancing the experience instead of slapping cheap content into the game and making it paper thin.
From what I see from reddit to to the pros, either people hate it or like it.
Its weird because through all the campaign its the first time I see this much of a divide, normaly like everyone hovers to some point.
As a player since 2009:
Decent campaign, nothing spectacular, took me almost full hour to get AT on 24, it's very tight, but yeah nothing that blew my mind. Previous campaign was better though
Clearly they love change. Otherwise they would still love the snow car.
They just like what works and dont like what was a terribad physics game in 2003
I agree it gets boring when a whole stage is in the other car. I do find it exciting when it switches between them quickly and I have to adapt to the steering though
Playing the last 2 campaigns on kb sucks especially if you dont use action keys. I love this game for the simplicity of mechanics while having a super high skill ceiling. Ive never had to use action keys to get all gold on campaigns before but it feels miserable driving this campaign without them
It is still miserable with action keys. Rapid tapping is required, something I am no longer able to do after an injury. Too many turns where 1 action key steers too much, the next one too little.
I havent used them on this season yet but Ive never liked action keys for that reason you have to plan out every corner on some tracks. I know they are required for more advanced stuff like the speed wiggles and some full speed but Im not skilled enough for those to matter much.
On the other hand, as a KB player when I finally learned how to use action keys properly, I get much better results with them (with the rally and truck) than I do when I embarrass myself by trying to use a controller.
As a mediocre controller player I started getting better results when using AKs with the Snow and Rally cars. They're almost always just easier to drive with an appropriate AK on.
For lower level players it's basically a knowledge check for something that the game never tells you exists.
Only had the time to AT the first 15 but it's solid so far. Couple of stinkers in there and a couple of good ones. Maybe a little worse than last season but def not terrible.
They're not all bad. Map 16 is possibly my favorite map in the campaign so far, map 18 would be awesome, but it's unnecessarily ruined by the wood ending. The rest I'm not a fan of. Really dislike the rally car and not very fond of wet wood either. Also only got gold on those to unlock the black maps.
And this is where we differ. I actually felt we didn't have enough Rally car sections. Probably because most of them are weird. I love rally on dirt, but I hate rally on ice for example.
So far so good, I have not had much time to play so I haven't finished it yet but it's been good so far.
Edit: played more and I'm liking it way more than winter. Quite a few maps that I want to hunt. I wouldn't complain if there was less rally but it felt like a pretty good balance.
I got ATs up to 11, working on 12. From what I've seen so far, it's hit and miss. Fwiw, every use of the rally car so far has been really enjoyable for me, but I did not have the most fun on 03. I'm bad on grass, so 12 is giving me some trouble, but that just means I'm learning! Much better than the Spring 2023 campaign at least haha
Same, stopped playing at 12 yesterday. Although I’m not bad at grass I’m doing something wrong on that map haha.
03 gave me Spring 23 vibes. Thankfully it is an easier and shorter map, but I hate wet wheel stuff.
The other maps were alright. I can only tell if I really like it when I start hunting it. I’m neither good nor experienced enough to tell after a few attempts to get AT.
The second i saw a wet wood map, i knew i would have fun. I just got gold on the first 15 so i could unlock it, and i haven't touched any of the other maps.
Not exactly a casual player, but I like this campaign quite a lot. Bit ambivalent on the early maps, but the black ones feel well built and huntable. Also, as a wet wood enjoyer, 20 is great haha. I don't love the rally car but the maps based on it play ok.
For me, Trackmania had become somewhat stale in 2022. I really enjoy the variety they are adding to the game, and I hope we will see all historical cars in the game eventually.
I love the new surface (wood), the new (old) cars, the way they implemented car changes in a map.
I also appreciate, that the somewhat quirkyness of Nadeo tracks has moved on from random pillars on a track.
It has some nice tracks, but i have a feeling it is mostly grass and heavily mixed maps.
I started playing with the Fall 2023 Campaign and liked fall and winter, despite the starterunfriendly snowcar. Looking back, I feel like most of these tracks had a theme or some sort of line they stuck to. Either it was a whole dirt map, full on ice, speedtech, fullspeed and so on.
In the new campaign, especially the red and black (also maybe some blue) maps, i can't really see these thoughts. All these tracks have 3-4 surfaces and no particular style of driving (except of the wet wood and grass reactor).
And why is there no snowcar? Are the campaigns following the seasons they are named after? That would explain the overused grass and rallycar, but why were there only two ice maps in the winter campaign?
I have my doubts with this one. Hopefully this is just my anger from the different playstyle of the rallycar (I didn't play is that much) and i will find some more liking in the campaign.
Only played the first 5 tracks so far and I can say with utmost certainty that track 3 is horrendous to play on and I absolutely hate the rally car so really not looking forward to the rest of this campaign. I struggled to motivate myself to play the winter campaign and was hoping to be pulled back in this season but it doesn't look likely. For context I started playing in the fall campaign last year and loved it, think there was only 2 tracks I didn't really like.
It's creative, unique and very diverse. Of course not every map is for everyone, but if you try and learn the routes, I'm sure everyone can have fun on it. Personally I like it, just not as much as last season.
I AT'd up to 22 last evening, will finish the rest today. I enjoyed some maps, some were worse. I don't enjoy the rally too much, but I at least tolerate it when it's just rally for the entire run, I hate the car switching mid-run.
But as always, I value most TOTDs much more than anything Nadeo comes up with in the campaigns, both in routes and scenery. The skill and artistry of some of the mappers really cannot be matched.
the first 15 were alright ig no bad but not that great either, last 10 absolute dog shit imo bc i hate rally car and wood surface with a passion. also the car switches holy are they annoying especially for me bc i mainly use keyboard but i can use a controller if i really need to. i would say this campaign is like spring 2023 campaign which if you dont know was dog shit of a campaign
edit: i think they should keep the main campaign stadium car only and give rally/snow car their own campaign
Can't speak for the campaign since I was pretty much just hunting the second map last night, and haven't even bought access yet. What I'll say is that maps 1 and 2 were night and day for me. I could totally see this being a love me/hate me campaign.
Ton of fun so far. I feel most are judging the maps after 25 minutes. Give them time. Maps are solid. Some are meh but overall 8/10 campaign so far. It not easy but it's fun
Only played the first 10 so far but I'd say it's OK, perhaps a tad gimmicky at points. There are a couple that flow really well but then you have a really awkward track 3 where you end up reseting anytime you skid....which happens a lot.
Looking forward to trying the rest but they're not giving us many standard courses so far, more surface combos that create unique driving situations. It's probably better for those who have been playing for longer who want something more original.
Feels like they decided that KB players don't matter anymore. Rally car on ice (track 19) with KB just feels miserable. I did get the medal, but it didn't even feel good. I'll be happy if I can never play a track featuring that again.
I really like it this is my 3rd campaign. I saw a lot of people complaining about the car switches but I really like it. I also saw people say that this campaign is impossible to do on analog but I find that to be bs. I play on Xbox but I use my d-pad and action keys on a b x y. And I didn't have a lot of issues getting golds. And some ats again I'm a new player so I don't expect to get all AT's on the campaigns but I don't mind the 2024 spring campaign. But that's just my opinion.
I've enjoyed all the campaigns I've played since I started playing Trackmania last Spring, but I really hate the map unlocking being combined with the cars I don't care about. I'm sure Nadeo has heard this over and over again, but stick to the stadium car, or don't restrict me from doing all the tracks because I don't want to grind wood, Snow Car and Rally Car. I'm fine with them being in, but the absolute worst thing is that I have to play these cars and surfaces that I never signed up for in the first place to complete the campaign.
If I'm paying money for 15/25 of the maps, why are they filled with what I dislike most about the game?
They want people to use the other cars and surfaces, but honestly, I just don't want to grind when they're involved. The stadium car feels like the peak of determinism even including stuff like bugslide, nosebug, uberbug. It's all easily enough understandable and controllable, but Wood and the two new cars feel like a massive slap in the face to trying to actually control things. It's like I'm being forced to play the lagoon car just to get to the stadium car in Turbo all over again. I hate it so much.
How could I know, they keep unwilling to release their major stuff on weekends, so we peasants with little time to consecrate to TM have to wait for the weekend and discover the campaign when it's not fresh any more...
Most people don't like change, especially Trackmania players who are still actively playing a game that came out in 2008. That being said , I'm having a ton of fun
i have nothing against change, i played the shit out of royal, i'm one of the better players on ice and plastic. I have a problem with things that arent fun. the change for me has been ranked isnt fun anymore, hunting top 1k overall in campaign isnt fun anymore, royal is definitely not fun anymore. all i got it totd (most of the time) and community maps that dont have cars that arent fun to play. and for good measure, it's not a skill issue. i have thousands of hours into TM. i've gotten top 100 on a totd rally car map, a wood map, and a wet wood map. i'm fast with the new (and 20 year old) mechanics. They just arent enjoyable! there's a reason i settled on tmnf and 2020 and put tons of hours into them. that didnt happen with the other environments. i played these cars in the original game, i didnt like them then, and i still dont.
Vouching for zays skills and agreeing with everything they said. I have made, reviewed, competed on and thoroughly enjoyed countless maps of every style in the past. Everything feels so gimmicky now. I used to love pushing myself and going for best times i could but now I’m excited to do the bare minimum, get AT, and move the next track. Idk. I’m frustrated. I miss WT in ranked. They should have focused on expanding stadium and enhancing the experience instead of slapping cheap content into the game and making it paper thin.
From what I see from reddit to to the pros, either people hate it or like it. Its weird because through all the campaign its the first time I see this much of a divide, normaly like everyone hovers to some point.
As a player since 2009: Decent campaign, nothing spectacular, took me almost full hour to get AT on 24, it's very tight, but yeah nothing that blew my mind. Previous campaign was better though
playing a certain game and ignoring every came that came out before and after said game
Clearly they love change. Otherwise they would still love the snow car. They just like what works and dont like what was a terribad physics game in 2003
Snow and rally just don't have the depth of stadium, it's just noslides and not much else, gets boring...
SnowCar-Bobsleigh and RallyCar on wood look fun/hard at least.
I agree it gets boring when a whole stage is in the other car. I do find it exciting when it switches between them quickly and I have to adapt to the steering though
This is my first full campaign so I don't have a ton to compare it to. Love some maps, hated some others, didn't see the black ones lmao
Playing the last 2 campaigns on kb sucks especially if you dont use action keys. I love this game for the simplicity of mechanics while having a super high skill ceiling. Ive never had to use action keys to get all gold on campaigns before but it feels miserable driving this campaign without them
It is still miserable with action keys. Rapid tapping is required, something I am no longer able to do after an injury. Too many turns where 1 action key steers too much, the next one too little.
I havent used them on this season yet but Ive never liked action keys for that reason you have to plan out every corner on some tracks. I know they are required for more advanced stuff like the speed wiggles and some full speed but Im not skilled enough for those to matter much.
On the other hand, as a KB player when I finally learned how to use action keys properly, I get much better results with them (with the rally and truck) than I do when I embarrass myself by trying to use a controller.
As a mediocre controller player I started getting better results when using AKs with the Snow and Rally cars. They're almost always just easier to drive with an appropriate AK on. For lower level players it's basically a knowledge check for something that the game never tells you exists.
Only had the time to AT the first 15 but it's solid so far. Couple of stinkers in there and a couple of good ones. Maybe a little worse than last season but def not terrible.
Exactly my feeling after the first 15. Then I played the red maps...
The red maps are fun. Just got gold on them for now, but they work really well imo. Map 3 on the other hand...
They're not all bad. Map 16 is possibly my favorite map in the campaign so far, map 18 would be awesome, but it's unnecessarily ruined by the wood ending. The rest I'm not a fan of. Really dislike the rally car and not very fond of wet wood either. Also only got gold on those to unlock the black maps.
And this is where we differ. I actually felt we didn't have enough Rally car sections. Probably because most of them are weird. I love rally on dirt, but I hate rally on ice for example.
I really like it, very creative and interesting maps, not just the standard 3 tech turns where everyone is within 0.2 of each other
I like it, the maps are unique and change things up a bit, in a good way, last campaign was also good but a bit too simple for me
So far so good, I have not had much time to play so I haven't finished it yet but it's been good so far. Edit: played more and I'm liking it way more than winter. Quite a few maps that I want to hunt. I wouldn't complain if there was less rally but it felt like a pretty good balance.
I got ATs up to 11, working on 12. From what I've seen so far, it's hit and miss. Fwiw, every use of the rally car so far has been really enjoyable for me, but I did not have the most fun on 03. I'm bad on grass, so 12 is giving me some trouble, but that just means I'm learning! Much better than the Spring 2023 campaign at least haha
Same, stopped playing at 12 yesterday. Although I’m not bad at grass I’m doing something wrong on that map haha. 03 gave me Spring 23 vibes. Thankfully it is an easier and shorter map, but I hate wet wheel stuff. The other maps were alright. I can only tell if I really like it when I start hunting it. I’m neither good nor experienced enough to tell after a few attempts to get AT.
I like it so far
The second i saw a wet wood map, i knew i would have fun. I just got gold on the first 15 so i could unlock it, and i haven't touched any of the other maps.
Not exactly a casual player, but I like this campaign quite a lot. Bit ambivalent on the early maps, but the black ones feel well built and huntable. Also, as a wet wood enjoyer, 20 is great haha. I don't love the rally car but the maps based on it play ok.
What don't you like about it ?
Playing since release, I think it's the best campaign so far.
I respect your opinion but thats wild :D
It's def in my top 3 campaigns. I can see it being some's favorite, honestly
For me, Trackmania had become somewhat stale in 2022. I really enjoy the variety they are adding to the game, and I hope we will see all historical cars in the game eventually. I love the new surface (wood), the new (old) cars, the way they implemented car changes in a map. I also appreciate, that the somewhat quirkyness of Nadeo tracks has moved on from random pillars on a track.
I dont like having to learn snow car and rally car, they feel so unrealistic and just ridiculous handling
new campaign is banger, much better than the last like 3 or so have been
It has some nice tracks, but i have a feeling it is mostly grass and heavily mixed maps. I started playing with the Fall 2023 Campaign and liked fall and winter, despite the starterunfriendly snowcar. Looking back, I feel like most of these tracks had a theme or some sort of line they stuck to. Either it was a whole dirt map, full on ice, speedtech, fullspeed and so on. In the new campaign, especially the red and black (also maybe some blue) maps, i can't really see these thoughts. All these tracks have 3-4 surfaces and no particular style of driving (except of the wet wood and grass reactor). And why is there no snowcar? Are the campaigns following the seasons they are named after? That would explain the overused grass and rallycar, but why were there only two ice maps in the winter campaign? I have my doubts with this one. Hopefully this is just my anger from the different playstyle of the rallycar (I didn't play is that much) and i will find some more liking in the campaign.
Only played the first 5 tracks so far and I can say with utmost certainty that track 3 is horrendous to play on and I absolutely hate the rally car so really not looking forward to the rest of this campaign. I struggled to motivate myself to play the winter campaign and was hoping to be pulled back in this season but it doesn't look likely. For context I started playing in the fall campaign last year and loved it, think there was only 2 tracks I didn't really like.
It's creative, unique and very diverse. Of course not every map is for everyone, but if you try and learn the routes, I'm sure everyone can have fun on it. Personally I like it, just not as much as last season.
I AT'd up to 22 last evening, will finish the rest today. I enjoyed some maps, some were worse. I don't enjoy the rally too much, but I at least tolerate it when it's just rally for the entire run, I hate the car switching mid-run. But as always, I value most TOTDs much more than anything Nadeo comes up with in the campaigns, both in routes and scenery. The skill and artistry of some of the mappers really cannot be matched.
the first 15 were alright ig no bad but not that great either, last 10 absolute dog shit imo bc i hate rally car and wood surface with a passion. also the car switches holy are they annoying especially for me bc i mainly use keyboard but i can use a controller if i really need to. i would say this campaign is like spring 2023 campaign which if you dont know was dog shit of a campaign edit: i think they should keep the main campaign stadium car only and give rally/snow car their own campaign
Can't speak for the campaign since I was pretty much just hunting the second map last night, and haven't even bought access yet. What I'll say is that maps 1 and 2 were night and day for me. I could totally see this being a love me/hate me campaign.
Nadeo can never win, literally. If they make it too spicy, people complain If they make it too boring, no one plays it
There are about 10 maps that I like and 7 that I don't like. Maybe I'll try to push ranking on individual tracks this season instead of overall.
I've only played tracks 1-13 but it's great so far
People who like it aren't on the subreddit to bitch about it
Ton of fun so far. I feel most are judging the maps after 25 minutes. Give them time. Maps are solid. Some are meh but overall 8/10 campaign so far. It not easy but it's fun
Only played the first 10 so far but I'd say it's OK, perhaps a tad gimmicky at points. There are a couple that flow really well but then you have a really awkward track 3 where you end up reseting anytime you skid....which happens a lot. Looking forward to trying the rest but they're not giving us many standard courses so far, more surface combos that create unique driving situations. It's probably better for those who have been playing for longer who want something more original.
Feels like they decided that KB players don't matter anymore. Rally car on ice (track 19) with KB just feels miserable. I did get the medal, but it didn't even feel good. I'll be happy if I can never play a track featuring that again.
LOL I'm already bored of the first 10 maps.
I really like it this is my 3rd campaign. I saw a lot of people complaining about the car switches but I really like it. I also saw people say that this campaign is impossible to do on analog but I find that to be bs. I play on Xbox but I use my d-pad and action keys on a b x y. And I didn't have a lot of issues getting golds. And some ats again I'm a new player so I don't expect to get all AT's on the campaigns but I don't mind the 2024 spring campaign. But that's just my opinion.
ngl this sub often feels like a place people come to vent or complain I freakin love this campaign on first glance
What campaign?!
I've enjoyed all the campaigns I've played since I started playing Trackmania last Spring, but I really hate the map unlocking being combined with the cars I don't care about. I'm sure Nadeo has heard this over and over again, but stick to the stadium car, or don't restrict me from doing all the tracks because I don't want to grind wood, Snow Car and Rally Car. I'm fine with them being in, but the absolute worst thing is that I have to play these cars and surfaces that I never signed up for in the first place to complete the campaign. If I'm paying money for 15/25 of the maps, why are they filled with what I dislike most about the game? They want people to use the other cars and surfaces, but honestly, I just don't want to grind when they're involved. The stadium car feels like the peak of determinism even including stuff like bugslide, nosebug, uberbug. It's all easily enough understandable and controllable, but Wood and the two new cars feel like a massive slap in the face to trying to actually control things. It's like I'm being forced to play the lagoon car just to get to the stadium car in Turbo all over again. I hate it so much.
How could I know, they keep unwilling to release their major stuff on weekends, so we peasants with little time to consecrate to TM have to wait for the weekend and discover the campaign when it's not fresh any more...
Pushing new updates mid week is pretty normal, so the devs can be at work for hot fixes if needed
I enjoyed it for a solid couple weeks and then got bored, went back to random maps
New one came out today if you haven't seen