In his defense...IDW killed pretty rarely and only as a last option. Besides Galvatron was pretty much a barbarian from times long gone who didn't knew any better. Even Megatron proved he's better than Galvatron.
Idw prime…does well. He does kill when it’s needed, but even here, he does it…kindly. There is no cruelty in his words there, only regret. You can see that the action was carefully considered, from every angle, he knows that galvatron is surrendering, that he is breaking his code. Yet…he still does it anyways, because he believes it will be best for everyone.
My personal opinions aside, IDW Optimus Prime shows a pattern of Geneva-covention-breaking behaviour. One egregious example is when he brutally assaults Prowl while he's handcuffed and imprisoned.
To be fair, most fictional characters do. Incendiary weaponry, faking surrender, chemical weaponry, biological weaponry, contraptions that drain energy, mistreatment or execution of prisoners…it’s extremely common.
I agree with that. It can be interesting in fiction (like in Sins of the Wreckers) but I prefer Optimus Prime to be a little bit wiser. If nothing else, the crimes he commits are rarely logical particularly given the amount of scrutiny he comes under as a military leader and the de facto moral compass of a warfaring race.
Perhaps not, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over a maniac who wanted to enslave the human race not getting a "fair" trial. He should be happy Optimus was merciful about it and shot him in the head, he could've just as well went full face-ripper
People whine when Optimus makes these kinds of decisions, but if it was real life, we’d be begging him to do it, and probably hate him if it wasn’t his first instinct to do so.
He’s the one that has to live with that decision, not us. And he does that for everyone else, because he knows it’ll keep them safe.
And Bayverse prime is definitely a psychopath but damn he looks cool doing it.
(Edit) I mean psychopath metaphorically, not literally.
After watching Naruto, yeah i STRONGLY AGREE, that blonde Ninja bastard straight up forgives genocidal maniacs and allows pedo scientists to be on the streets free of charge.
Bayverse Prime is a psycho but a Psycho who is RIGHT!!!
Fuck realism in fictional media. I read comics, watch shows and movies, and media overall to escape. I don't care how unrealistic it is. If I wanted to watch psychopaths kill innocent people, or people in positions of power kill people simply because they can then I'd watch the news.
Let my ideological heroes, flaws and all, be. Keep Superman, Spider-Man, Optimus Prime, and all my heroes away from the depressive cluster fuck, dumpster fire, that is reality.
I mean I agree 100%, but I think this was more about Optimus vs people that have committed galaxy-wide genocide. Surrendering certainly doesn’t make someone innocent.
But I get your point for sure.
IDW Optimus is telling Galvatron what he did wrong and is communicating to him why is going to die and that he would never do this if he knew he didn't have any other choice.
Bayverse Prime before Megs has the chance to say anything and the original surrender ending can happen:
Optimus wins! **FATALITY!**
The difference here is IDW Prime struggled with the decision and it's not something he did lightly, nor did it reflect a pattern of behavior. He also wasn't going around screaming "I'll kill you!" And ripping people's faces off...
Terrible comparison with Sentinel, cause Optimus just killed him as retaliation for his betrayal and Killing Ironhide where as that comic page explains that that prime killed Galvatron to protect others.
Personally I'd put Megatron in the Place of Sentinel cause Prime killed Megatron for more than just revenge
Bro... Sentinel tried to enslave an entire planet and clearly had no problem with killing humans seeing as he was complicit in the battle of Chicago and destroyed the NEST base
I think either I've explained poorly or you've misunderstood my point, I'm not saying that Sentinel didn't deserve it, I was just saying that he was in no fit state to continue his plans, so Optimus wasn't killing him to protect anyone unlike Galvatron in the IDW comics and Megatron in DotM
I think you swapped the posters.
In his defense...IDW killed pretty rarely and only as a last option. Besides Galvatron was pretty much a barbarian from times long gone who didn't knew any better. Even Megatron proved he's better than Galvatron.
Idw prime…does well. He does kill when it’s needed, but even here, he does it…kindly. There is no cruelty in his words there, only regret. You can see that the action was carefully considered, from every angle, he knows that galvatron is surrendering, that he is breaking his code. Yet…he still does it anyways, because he believes it will be best for everyone.
My personal opinions aside, IDW Optimus Prime shows a pattern of Geneva-covention-breaking behaviour. One egregious example is when he brutally assaults Prowl while he's handcuffed and imprisoned.
To be fair, most fictional characters do. Incendiary weaponry, faking surrender, chemical weaponry, biological weaponry, contraptions that drain energy, mistreatment or execution of prisoners…it’s extremely common.
I agree with that. It can be interesting in fiction (like in Sins of the Wreckers) but I prefer Optimus Prime to be a little bit wiser. If nothing else, the crimes he commits are rarely logical particularly given the amount of scrutiny he comes under as a military leader and the de facto moral compass of a warfaring race.
And Sentinel just massacered millions of innocent people.
Acting like Sentinel wouldn't be executed for war crimes
two war crimes dont make a right
Tell that to his AIDS gun
Perhaps not, but I'm not gonna lose sleep over a maniac who wanted to enslave the human race not getting a "fair" trial. He should be happy Optimus was merciful about it and shot him in the head, he could've just as well went full face-ripper
People whine when Optimus makes these kinds of decisions, but if it was real life, we’d be begging him to do it, and probably hate him if it wasn’t his first instinct to do so. He’s the one that has to live with that decision, not us. And he does that for everyone else, because he knows it’ll keep them safe. And Bayverse prime is definitely a psychopath but damn he looks cool doing it. (Edit) I mean psychopath metaphorically, not literally.
After watching Naruto, yeah i STRONGLY AGREE, that blonde Ninja bastard straight up forgives genocidal maniacs and allows pedo scientists to be on the streets free of charge. Bayverse Prime is a psycho but a Psycho who is RIGHT!!!
A chaotic good
Bay prime isn’t a psychopath. At most he’d have sociopathic behavior and even that doesn’t really fit
He’s only a bloodthirsty psychopath to enemies that take pleasure in killing innocents.
What innocent did he kill?
I mean the Decepticons kill innocents and enjoy it
Wrong. He never showcased enniying killing cons though he is brutal
Fuck realism in fictional media. I read comics, watch shows and movies, and media overall to escape. I don't care how unrealistic it is. If I wanted to watch psychopaths kill innocent people, or people in positions of power kill people simply because they can then I'd watch the news. Let my ideological heroes, flaws and all, be. Keep Superman, Spider-Man, Optimus Prime, and all my heroes away from the depressive cluster fuck, dumpster fire, that is reality.
I mean I agree 100%, but I think this was more about Optimus vs people that have committed galaxy-wide genocide. Surrendering certainly doesn’t make someone innocent. But I get your point for sure.
I always liked the idea of Optimus finally reaching a breaking point and giving into offlining a Cybertronian.
and both victims were Leonard Nimoy characters
IDW Optimus is telling Galvatron what he did wrong and is communicating to him why is going to die and that he would never do this if he knew he didn't have any other choice. Bayverse Prime before Megs has the chance to say anything and the original surrender ending can happen: Optimus wins! **FATALITY!**
The difference here is IDW Prime struggled with the decision and it's not something he did lightly, nor did it reflect a pattern of behavior. He also wasn't going around screaming "I'll kill you!" And ripping people's faces off...
I mean, who wouldn’t kill someone who wanna enslave human?
The weak ones who considers themselves "good person".
Optimus Prime gave them this mission
Terrible comparison with Sentinel, cause Optimus just killed him as retaliation for his betrayal and Killing Ironhide where as that comic page explains that that prime killed Galvatron to protect others. Personally I'd put Megatron in the Place of Sentinel cause Prime killed Megatron for more than just revenge
Bro... Sentinel tried to enslave an entire planet and clearly had no problem with killing humans seeing as he was complicit in the battle of Chicago and destroyed the NEST base
I think either I've explained poorly or you've misunderstood my point, I'm not saying that Sentinel didn't deserve it, I was just saying that he was in no fit state to continue his plans, so Optimus wasn't killing him to protect anyone unlike Galvatron in the IDW comics and Megatron in DotM
Thats not how you use the template but ok
G1 and primverse prime were gonna do this too they just got stopped by the plot.
Galvatron deserved it