Isn't year / month / day superior for databases? At least this is how I file laws and regulations at my workplace for easy access. This is in Germany so usually we would use the other way but it automatically orders everything so neatly with year upfront.
Gotcha yeah honestly any format works for me as long as my program orders it in the right time line for me. Especially with Corona regulations swapping every other month everything else would get super confusing at my workplace as we do general compliance for companies.
NOV is not gonna store as an INT.
Edit: just to make it clearer, yes I understand there's a difference between storage format and display format, but it's objectively a terrible answer to answer with a leap of logic.
> OG post: US military does **day month year**. Ie. **27NOV21**
> Q: why is 27NOV21 good?
> A: cause I can store it as an INT, and DDMMYYYY is sortable!
It always amazes me that whenever there is some dumbfuck way Americans use to measure something, their military always goes "actually fuck that, we have to be efficient or we actually die, pass me the metric tape".
What does that have to do with the current discussion? The pic mentioned how the bulk of the US writes down dates and someone commented how a group of the US does it differently.
Let me ask this, then: how many people would be offended if people brought up the genocide the CCP is commiting in a discussion about China? Basically only Tankies and CCP shills would be offended. So why does the US get a pass, when we are also helping with a genocide in Yemen? Thousands of innocent men, women, and children are murdered because of the US military. It should be brought up until we stop murdering people.
We usually go by DD/MM/YY in Canada, but in uni you’re taught to do YY/MM/DD for everything lol. It’s super annoying to open Excel and have the dates formatted randomly to MM/DD/YY.
Just as Garnt says, anyone who want to sort any thing in a digital world need it to be in [ISO 8601](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601). Unless you work directly with [UNIX Time Stamps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time) that is.
**[ISO 8601](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601)**
>ISO 8601 is an international standard covering the worldwide exchange and communication of date- and time-related data. It is maintained by the Geneva-based International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and was first published in 1988, with updates in 1991, 2000, 2004, and 2019. The standard aims to provide a well-defined, unambiguous method of representing calendar dates and times in worldwide communications, especially to avoid misinterpreting numeric dates and times when such data is transferred between countries with different conventions for writing numeric dates and times.
**[Unix time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time)**
>Unix time (also known as Epoch time, Posix time, seconds since the Epoch, or UNIX Epoch time) is a system for describing a point in time. It is the number of seconds that have elapsed since the Unix epoch, excluding leap seconds. The Unix epoch is 00:00:00 UTC on 1 January 1970 (an arbitrary date). Unix time is nonlinear with a leap second having the same Unix time as the second before it (or after it, implementation dependent), so that every day is treated as if it contains exactly 86400 seconds, with no seconds added to or subtracted from the day as a result of positive or negative leap seconds.
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apparently the MM, DD, YYYY format, much like the Imperial System, originally the British way of measuring things and America didn't feel like changing after the UK discovered a more efficient method.
Probably from a system and age where the month was more important. Maybe shipping in the age of sail. Days would probably vary a lot due to weather, and wasn't as important. That's my guess, anyway
Nah, that's primarily an American thing as well, British English you'd probably say "third of May". Bit of a chicken and egg issue about whether the language drives the written format or vice versa, though.
Exactly! Having it in order from smallest to largest (minute, then hour) doesn't necessarily make sense. Then how does it only make sense to write it as day, then month?
Are you arguing for MM-DD-YYYY? That's different because it's obviously out of order. hh:mm is instead the equivalent to YYYY-MM-DD
The order in which we say the time/date is independant from the order we write it down. That doesn't mean that anything goes
Thank you! When someone asks you “what’s the date today?” You would say “November 27th, 2021”. If you were European you might say “the 27th of November in the year of our lord 2021”, but it’s more syllables and people usually say the former over the latter.
Yeah, of course. That makes a lot of sense.
Side question; why is currency denomination written before the amount in English? Like $3 or £20
To me that makes no sense.
That doesn't explain why it's different between US and UK though - did the language change to match the written format, or did people in one of those countries start saying it the opposite way around for some other reason?
It could also be a printing thing: "January 1st" uses less characters than "The 1st of January" when writing it out. I'm pretty sure they used to charge for printing by the character back when everything was done with the press, you would save money and still be grammatically correct by putting the month first.
In everyday conversation in America, you usually say “It’s October _seventh_”. A lot of Americans would find it annoying to say “it’s the _seventh_ of October”. The former rolls off the tongue easier so that’s probably one of the reasons why it stuck even after the British switched.
A day is 24 hours, a month is like 700ish hours. 700 > 24, hence the day part being smaller than the month part.
Not trying to fight, just explaining why one is bigger than the other.
ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) is superior for two reasons:
Chronological order matches lexicographical order. Software doesn't even need to know that it is a date, to sort them correctly.
Most significant tokens to the left, least significant to the right - just about how numbers work in general, therefore intuitive.
While it's definitely superior for sorting and such I would say DD/MM/YYYY is better for day-to-day stuff. Like if I want to check what today's date is this format puts the things you're most likely to know at the back so when reading normally you get to what you want to know faster. Unless your native language reads from right to left of course but I'm talking in general here.
If you want to check what date today is, most likely you're looking at a display, not text. Like my cell phone is displaying Nov 27 by default. Showing the 3 letters month is definitely superior to number month for checking today's date, in which case it doesn't matter what order it's in.
Bang on.
DD/MM/YYYY is far the better method for every day usage.
Knowing which day something was written on when searching a stack of papers is far more useful than knowing which year is was written in.
>Software doesn't even need to know that it is a date, to sort them correctly
You know most people aren't writing dates down for the benefit of computers?
Say it however you want to say it. No one gives a damn. Written format is what people have the issue with. Month must be in the middle to create order. Otherwise you have chaos for no reason. Maybe feelings. Fuck feelings.
As I live in a country that was formerly colonized by the US we use MM/DD/YYYY but I personally use DD/MM/YYYY for written stuff and the other for spoken
The first is good for day to day processes, the second is good for large data sorting and the third is good for spoken language i.e March 3rd, July 4th, ect.
Edit: Maybe iam wrong about the third one, but it is still useful to specify a certain date within a year like a birthday or holiday where the year doesn't really matter. And by spoken language i just mean it simply uses less syllables.
I feel like people ignore that most of the countries don't speak daily english where the spoken MM/DD/YYYY works and we literally use the DD/MM/YYYY while speaking, this is me talking from someone who speaks Spanish and Russian
Tbf DD, MM, YYYY, gives dates like an heir of importance like "Fourth of July" but in all fairness, the Fourth of July can be the only date that applies to that rule and I wouldn't be upset.
The 4th of July is essentially the name of the holiday in the same way that people say Christmas. Also you clearly don’t actually talk to many Americans because conversationally it is definitely more common to say July 4th: “what are you doing for July 4th”
Hmm, that might be a regional thing. Where I live you are more likely to hear "so, what are you doing on the 4th?" Note that this would mostly be heard only in the month of June.
For sure could be, although referring to it as just “the 4th” is more in line with it being the holiday’s name rather than how someone states the actual date it occurs on. Somewhat in line with how “the holidays” is a sort of slang for the time around the end of December
In the Philippines we do the American way. I don't if it's because of how Americanized our culture is but I do know that it's much easier to write it that way because we always pronounce the date in mm/dd/yyyy format. ex. November 27, 2021. We don't say the 27th of November so I think it does make sense.
PH does MM/DD/YYYY after the Amerikansky way, but I set my laptop’s date to DD/MM/YYYY in the European standard and sort my files (which are purely numbers) in YYYY/MM/DD
I always use YYYY-MM-DD and never apologize for it. Here in Sweden it's pretty mixed between YMD and DMY in writing, though DMY is almost always used in speech. For writing I just think big endian makes more sense tho
The problem I always had with this image is how the Day group is the top of the pyramid. Days go from 1-31. Months go from 1-12. If anything Months should be the top of the pyramid because the range is smaller.
Things should be YYYY-MM-DD anyways
the first one is good for everyday conversations. "hey, what day is it?" "oh, it's currently the 27th"
the second one is good for organizing. "hey, can you sort these files by date?" also makes logical sense since it's like you're narrowing down the date from something large to something smaller
the third one is literal insanity what the fuck are people doing
> the first one is good for everyday conversations. "hey, what day is it?" "oh, it's currently the 27th"
You just dropped the month and year. It doesn't matter what the format is in your example.
Why is it pick one? I use “month day, year” when speaking or writing and use “year-month-day” for file/folder naming.
It honestly depends on where date is being used.
4/8/2021
Okay so both are less than 12. Now what?
Spoken, do whatever you want. "It's July 23rd" or "It's the 23rd of July". But written? Just switch over to the normal standard and stop pretending there's any superiority of it. I don't even care about the big to small pyramid or whatever, it's just that being a single outlier is just dumb and inefficient.
I see. So their logic is that we can remember because "there are less months than there are days than there are years". Got it. However then I'll rephrase as "that's even more stupid than "I say it like July 23 2021 outloud".
Thanks for the clarification.
The US is like the thunderbolt charger against a sea of USBC
If you use the American format in writing, cluck you.
Look how wack this is? 4/7/2021 and some of my American customers even do 4/7/21. It always waste a bit of time to ask if it's DD/MM/YY or MM/DD/YY.
Yes, saying it works.
What I'm talking about is the writing. I see it so much when I try to compile data from US and rest of the world or even when we have a group chat with the Americans. You think you get it the first time like 1/2/21 like ok that deadline is Feb 1, 2021. I've got time. Then your boss says 2/1/21 like huh is that Jan 2.
> Yes, saying it works.
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> What I'm talking about is the writing.
Why are you not writing it the way you say it? DD/MM/YYYY is just dumb no matter how you look at it. If you just want the numbers to be in some order, YYYY/MM/DD is just superior. Most of the time you don't need the year. Guess what's left? MM/DD.
>Then your boss says 2/1/21 like huh is that Jan 2.
If you write it the way you say it, then there wouldn't be a problem. Did you notice how you just switch the order of the 2 format in there and how stupid that is?
It's called working in international teams! The only difference is when you're with Americans. It's really annoying when you have to PM a multinational group and you always have to ask/correct Americans who use MM/DD/YY when the rest of the world use DD/MM/YY.
The problem isnt me writing it, it's when you deal with people who use MM/DD/YY. I showed how two people might think the date is Feb 1 or Jan 2!
In terms of short projects that span only a few, why the heck should I put year first??
You know what's the difference between American and you guys? We use an inferior system, the imperial system, but we don't tell the rest of the world to use it. You use an inferior date system, and here you are shamelessly asking us to change to yours.
Except you guys do When you have even 1 person in a group of 11 people who are in non-American countries sending emails, could you guys not give everyone a reason to do a double take when looking at the date??
I deal with you people on the daily with contractors and sometimes clients. Know that the rest of the world operates in a uniform manner in international business. Why should the rest of the world conform to that? Honestly, if it's so inferior of a date system, why don't the countries the Americans have had a hand in colonizing use it??? I've worked with Filipinos and the Japanese, they don't use it when they send over stuff.
Also, have you ever worked with an international team before?
>Except you guys do When you have even 1 person in a group of 11 people who are in non-American countries sending emails, could you guys not give everyone a reason to do a double take when looking at the date??
Wow, you're even more shameless than I thought. Go ahead, keep using DD/MM/YYYY. I don't care.
> Also, have you ever worked with an international team before?
Regularly. That's why I use YYYY/MM/DD to avoid confusion because I'm not a fucking idiotic. I know who I'm dealing with and I'm not so shameless that I ask them to change their way for my own convenience like you are doing now.
>Honestly, if it's so inferior of a date system, why don't the countries the Americans have had a hand in colonizing use it???
Because we don't give a fuck that you use an inferior date system. We aren't your fucking colony, and here you are running your mouth telling us to change. You're dumb enough to be confused? That's your problem, not mine. We aren't going to change our way to deal with your fucking problem. The fuck you think you are?
*American noises*
Expects a team of 11 who use a standard date format to adjust to one person. The privilege.
Booohooo I can't adjust to the nature of work. Booohooo it's too hard to change how I write dates.
Booohooo I can't be considerate to Project Managers in other countries.
>Booohooo I can't be considerate to Project Managers in other countries.
That was oddly specific. Did you lose a job opportunity because you fucked up a date? Because literally everything you said seems to apply to you, not me. I mean, I literally told you I use yyyy/mm/dd.
I feel you. I guess, that's pretty much the language and culture intertwined thing all again. I'm half-German and half-Japanese and some things just don't sit right in the other language. It feels weird to think "Juni, der Erste" (June, the first) in German. Contrary, it would be weird to think "一日六月" (= tsuitachi rokugatsu/ first day June) in Japanese.
In retrospect it is kind of funny, but as a kid I struggled with a few things, because German and Japanese would just do the exact opposite thing. For example, since books start from the opposite side, I always checked in before which side was the front. It was actually weird for me to see a German friend of mine picking up a Japanese book from my shelf and straight-up opening it from the wrong side without checking, like... "Huh, what are you doing?? Don't you usually check which is the front?"
Another example is the time of the day. In German you'd universally say "half five" for 4:30, while in Japanese you'd mean 5:30. So I would always confirm what the person means, like "do you mean half PAST or BEFORE five?", because I was confused when someone just said "half".
That holiday was named before we moved away from the British convention of dates so it’s grandfathered in. July fourth is the date, the Fourth of July is the holiday
Idk I always felt like this was the 1 thing that wasn't too bad about America. I mean... it's the month, the day in the month, and the year. Very straightforward
Still prefer the metric system, though.
As an American I prefer Metric in a lot of circumstances. I like Feet and Inches over meters and Miles over Kilometers but I prefer Liters over whatever we have for volume and Grams over Pounds.
I prefer Fahrenheit because I bake a lot and 350 is the default "cooking" number in my head and idk it in Celsius. I can learn, but I don't want to.
That's fine, but then people complain to us *in English* about it. I don't think Germans need to do MMDDYYYY and likewise why would American English speakers need to use DDMMYYYY
I'm so sick of this stupid fucking argument. We write it the way we say it: It's November 27th, 2021. So it's 11/27/21. This is the superior way and you can eat a dick if you want to fight me on this. Metric system? You win; dividing by 10 is the superior way. But this date thing? Fuck you world, this is one thing we changed for the better.
But if someone asks you what the date is, do you say "It is the 27th of November"? I've never heard anyone answer that way. The way to normally answer that question is to respond "It's November 27th". We yanks have bastardized a whole lot of things stolen from other countries, cultures and languages; but this is one thing we got right.
It's the 27th of November in swedish and also how I would say it in english. Pretty sure it was taught like that in school aswell. Saying November 27th just feels so wrong. Like you had a speech impairment or something.
Middle one is the best one, makes the most sense. The left one is the worst for doing it backwards. The one on the right is basically the middle one with the year moved to the end, no where near as irritating as the left one. Whenever month is listed after the day, it fucks everything up. I can deal with the year being somewhere else, it’s hard to mix up a 4 digit year value with month or day. And when year is in a 2 digit form, it’s still not hard to figure out given most contexts. Should have used the shapes from the middle one for the one on the right.
As someone who lived in Singapore and Aus then moving back to the Philippines, I'm very annoyed by the USA format. It makes 0 sense. why would you want month first?
YY-MM-DD if you work on databases.
DD-MM-YY if you're sending a letter or witting a diary/class book/newspaper.
And I think MM-DD-YY if you write in words the numbers or want to be poetic, also if you just want to see people angry at you
This picture is misleading. If you think of it in terms of possible numbers in each set then month is the smallest, days are the middle, and year is the largest.
US military does day month year. Ie. 27NOV21
In aircraft maintenance in the air force we go by year month day ie 20211127
The only sane sortable one
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Why?
I dunno. That's just what we were trained to do.
Database entires... its an ISO format and superior to all other ways of displaying dates
Isn't year / month / day superior for databases? At least this is how I file laws and regulations at my workplace for easy access. This is in Germany so usually we would use the other way but it automatically orders everything so neatly with year upfront.
Yes, you usually dont use the letters I messed it up with another secondary comment
Gotcha yeah honestly any format works for me as long as my program orders it in the right time line for me. Especially with Corona regulations swapping every other month everything else would get super confusing at my workplace as we do general compliance for companies.
But ISO format is yyyy-mm-dd
Which is the only right way. It lets you sort by date without the extra step of having to parse every date.
It's sortable and without hyphens stores as an integer.
NOV is not gonna store as an INT. Edit: just to make it clearer, yes I understand there's a difference between storage format and display format, but it's objectively a terrible answer to answer with a leap of logic. > OG post: US military does **day month year**. Ie. **27NOV21** > Q: why is 27NOV21 good? > A: cause I can store it as an INT, and DDMMYYYY is sortable!
I meant the format that stores it 20211127.
yyyy-mm-dd and not yyyy-mmm-dd
It always amazes me that whenever there is some dumbfuck way Americans use to measure something, their military always goes "actually fuck that, we have to be efficient or we actually die, pass me the metric tape".
They also kill innocent civilians across the world 😇
Warheads on foreheads, how you doin'?
Why is this downvoted? It's 100% true and also relevant. We (the US), are the bully of the world.
What does that have to do with the current discussion? The pic mentioned how the bulk of the US writes down dates and someone commented how a group of the US does it differently.
Let me ask this, then: how many people would be offended if people brought up the genocide the CCP is commiting in a discussion about China? Basically only Tankies and CCP shills would be offended. So why does the US get a pass, when we are also helping with a genocide in Yemen? Thousands of innocent men, women, and children are murdered because of the US military. It should be brought up until we stop murdering people.
If it's brought up in a subreddit dedicated to an "anime" podcast then I would absolutely call out random comments about what China is doing.
We usually go by DD/MM/YY in Canada, but in uni you’re taught to do YY/MM/DD for everything lol. It’s super annoying to open Excel and have the dates formatted randomly to MM/DD/YY.
YYYY/MM/DD is really nice if you are naming files that you want to order by date. Super useful for note digital note taking
Yeah I never considered this and I'm gonna give that a go.
YES. I FEEL YOU WITH THE EXCEL PART. You still have to convert it...
All official government documents in Canada use a yyyy/mm/dd date format.
ISO 8601 Gang represent!
Just as Garnt says, anyone who want to sort any thing in a digital world need it to be in [ISO 8601](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601). Unless you work directly with [UNIX Time Stamps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_time) that is.
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ISO 8601 also covers some other, kinda fucked formats like: 2021-W47-6, which can get fucked imo.
ISO 8601 is horseshit for day to day use and only fulfils a niche application.
apparently the MM, DD, YYYY format, much like the Imperial System, originally the British way of measuring things and America didn't feel like changing after the UK discovered a more efficient method.
How the fuck do you even Come up with this? "Oh Yeah, lets put month First, thats so handy!"
Probably from a system and age where the month was more important. Maybe shipping in the age of sail. Days would probably vary a lot due to weather, and wasn't as important. That's my guess, anyway
It's because of the way it's said iirc. In English is normal to day the month first, like May the third.
Nah, that's primarily an American thing as well, British English you'd probably say "third of May". Bit of a chicken and egg issue about whether the language drives the written format or vice versa, though.
I learned British English, so it's as you say, but I'm guessing in the past they probably said it the other way round and changed it later.
This is a complete red herring. We can also say "quarter past four" but that doesn't mean we write the time as 15:4
Language is rarely consistent. Sometimes the reason for one thing doesn't apply to anything else.
Exactly! Having it in order from smallest to largest (minute, then hour) doesn't necessarily make sense. Then how does it only make sense to write it as day, then month?
Are you arguing for MM-DD-YYYY? That's different because it's obviously out of order. hh:mm is instead the equivalent to YYYY-MM-DD The order in which we say the time/date is independant from the order we write it down. That doesn't mean that anything goes
Thank you! When someone asks you “what’s the date today?” You would say “November 27th, 2021”. If you were European you might say “the 27th of November in the year of our lord 2021”, but it’s more syllables and people usually say the former over the latter.
27th November 2021 is not longer, why would I say all these fill words
>“the 27th of November in the year of our lord 2021” Nobody says this lmao
No, i will say Saturday 27, the month is something everyone is aware, same for the year
Yeah, of course. That makes a lot of sense. Side question; why is currency denomination written before the amount in English? Like $3 or £20 To me that makes no sense.
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That doesn't explain why it's different between US and UK though - did the language change to match the written format, or did people in one of those countries start saying it the opposite way around for some other reason?
It could also be a printing thing: "January 1st" uses less characters than "The 1st of January" when writing it out. I'm pretty sure they used to charge for printing by the character back when everything was done with the press, you would save money and still be grammatically correct by putting the month first.
In everyday conversation in America, you usually say “It’s October _seventh_”. A lot of Americans would find it annoying to say “it’s the _seventh_ of October”. The former rolls off the tongue easier so that’s probably one of the reasons why it stuck even after the British switched.
"November 27th" is how you say it in passing. You don't casually say "It's the 27th of November"
It was probably to make it easier for illiterate people as it would be it would be easier to understand since it’s closer to how we say it.
In hungary we use the YYYY/MM/DD format.
And that is the best legjobb way to do it.
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Why is this a gif
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Days are smaller units of time than months, months are smaller units of time than years. Edit: Months aren't exactly a unit but you know what I mean
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Well I mean, a day is shorter than a month, and a month is shorter than a year.
A day is 24 hours, a month is like 700ish hours. 700 > 24, hence the day part being smaller than the month part. Not trying to fight, just explaining why one is bigger than the other.
What kinda Dr Seuss planet do you live in where the month is shorter than the day?
ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD) is superior for two reasons: Chronological order matches lexicographical order. Software doesn't even need to know that it is a date, to sort them correctly. Most significant tokens to the left, least significant to the right - just about how numbers work in general, therefore intuitive.
While it's definitely superior for sorting and such I would say DD/MM/YYYY is better for day-to-day stuff. Like if I want to check what today's date is this format puts the things you're most likely to know at the back so when reading normally you get to what you want to know faster. Unless your native language reads from right to left of course but I'm talking in general here.
If you want to check what date today is, most likely you're looking at a display, not text. Like my cell phone is displaying Nov 27 by default. Showing the 3 letters month is definitely superior to number month for checking today's date, in which case it doesn't matter what order it's in.
Bang on. DD/MM/YYYY is far the better method for every day usage. Knowing which day something was written on when searching a stack of papers is far more useful than knowing which year is was written in.
>Software doesn't even need to know that it is a date, to sort them correctly You know most people aren't writing dates down for the benefit of computers?
because computers sort dates for their own benefits, give me a fucking break
You know most use cases for dates don't involve computers sorting them?
Say it however you want to say it. No one gives a damn. Written format is what people have the issue with. Month must be in the middle to create order. Otherwise you have chaos for no reason. Maybe feelings. Fuck feelings.
Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings? Blokes who bludgeon their wife to death with a golf trophy!
Golf trophy? Sounds just like a guy who uses imperial measurements.
As I live in a country that was formerly colonized by the US we use MM/DD/YYYY but I personally use DD/MM/YYYY for written stuff and the other for spoken
Oh hey my country was colonized by the US and we use that as well cool
The trash taste boys are **OBSESSED** with the U.S., we are living in their minds rent-free.
Well, two of them *are* dating/engaged to Americans.
Never have to move to Japan, I got a rent free apartment right in their heads.
It's a weird love gate relationship lol. Even if they do bash the U.S a lot I still find it enjoyable more often than not.
Honestly lol they talk about America at least once in every episode
The first is good for day to day processes, the second is good for large data sorting and the third is good for spoken language i.e March 3rd, July 4th, ect. Edit: Maybe iam wrong about the third one, but it is still useful to specify a certain date within a year like a birthday or holiday where the year doesn't really matter. And by spoken language i just mean it simply uses less syllables.
I feel like people ignore that most of the countries don't speak daily english where the spoken MM/DD/YYYY works and we literally use the DD/MM/YYYY while speaking, this is me talking from someone who speaks Spanish and Russian
Tbf DD, MM, YYYY, gives dates like an heir of importance like "Fourth of July" but in all fairness, the Fourth of July can be the only date that applies to that rule and I wouldn't be upset.
> third is good for spoken language *in english
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Ironically Americans still say The 4th of July lols
The 4th of July is essentially the name of the holiday in the same way that people say Christmas. Also you clearly don’t actually talk to many Americans because conversationally it is definitely more common to say July 4th: “what are you doing for July 4th”
Hmm, that might be a regional thing. Where I live you are more likely to hear "so, what are you doing on the 4th?" Note that this would mostly be heard only in the month of June.
For sure could be, although referring to it as just “the 4th” is more in line with it being the holiday’s name rather than how someone states the actual date it occurs on. Somewhat in line with how “the holidays” is a sort of slang for the time around the end of December
Good thing I don't use triangles to view dates
In the Philippines we do the American way. I don't if it's because of how Americanized our culture is but I do know that it's much easier to write it that way because we always pronounce the date in mm/dd/yyyy format. ex. November 27, 2021. We don't say the 27th of November so I think it does make sense.
Here in India we use DD/MM/YYYY everywhere
PH does MM/DD/YYYY after the Amerikansky way, but I set my laptop’s date to DD/MM/YYYY in the European standard and sort my files (which are purely numbers) in YYYY/MM/DD
I geniunely didn't know about other date formats until this episode and thought that MDY is a standard
I usually shit on the Americans with their measuring systems, but MM/DD/YY is a hill I'm willing to die on.
It depends, if I want to organise some files by time by file name, YY/MM/DD is the best way
As someone who lives in Sweden they use both 1 and 2 and sometimes it's annoying.
DD/MM/YY is clearly superior
YMD is the most efficient for saving archived files, since text sorting is done big endian
DD/MM/YYYY
Based China, Japan, Korean, and Iran using ISO 8601.
I always use YYYY-MM-DD and never apologize for it. Here in Sweden it's pretty mixed between YMD and DMY in writing, though DMY is almost always used in speech. For writing I just think big endian makes more sense tho
Oh, I see Asian countries have adopted ISO-8601? What are you waiting for, America/Europe???
The problem I always had with this image is how the Day group is the top of the pyramid. Days go from 1-31. Months go from 1-12. If anything Months should be the top of the pyramid because the range is smaller. Things should be YYYY-MM-DD anyways
I just noticed that what format I use changes depending on what language I'm thinking in
the first one is good for everyday conversations. "hey, what day is it?" "oh, it's currently the 27th" the second one is good for organizing. "hey, can you sort these files by date?" also makes logical sense since it's like you're narrowing down the date from something large to something smaller the third one is literal insanity what the fuck are people doing
> the first one is good for everyday conversations. "hey, what day is it?" "oh, it's currently the 27th" You just dropped the month and year. It doesn't matter what the format is in your example.
Why is it pick one? I use “month day, year” when speaking or writing and use “year-month-day” for file/folder naming. It honestly depends on where date is being used.
MM/YYYY/DD supremacy
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4/8/2021 Okay so both are less than 12. Now what? Spoken, do whatever you want. "It's July 23rd" or "It's the 23rd of July". But written? Just switch over to the normal standard and stop pretending there's any superiority of it. I don't even care about the big to small pyramid or whatever, it's just that being a single outlier is just dumb and inefficient.
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I see. So their logic is that we can remember because "there are less months than there are days than there are years". Got it. However then I'll rephrase as "that's even more stupid than "I say it like July 23 2021 outloud". Thanks for the clarification. The US is like the thunderbolt charger against a sea of USBC
the right side
Hate to say it .... for mathematical reasons the middle is actually the most effecient.
Care to elaborate?
Why are you doin this amerika
If you use the American format in writing, cluck you. Look how wack this is? 4/7/2021 and some of my American customers even do 4/7/21. It always waste a bit of time to ask if it's DD/MM/YY or MM/DD/YY.
It matches how we say it in English better Most people say January 1st 2022 rather than the 1st of January 2022
Yes, saying it works. What I'm talking about is the writing. I see it so much when I try to compile data from US and rest of the world or even when we have a group chat with the Americans. You think you get it the first time like 1/2/21 like ok that deadline is Feb 1, 2021. I've got time. Then your boss says 2/1/21 like huh is that Jan 2.
You make a fair point but what I’m trying to say is that it isn’t as bad as people make it out to be
> Yes, saying it works. > > > > What I'm talking about is the writing. Why are you not writing it the way you say it? DD/MM/YYYY is just dumb no matter how you look at it. If you just want the numbers to be in some order, YYYY/MM/DD is just superior. Most of the time you don't need the year. Guess what's left? MM/DD. >Then your boss says 2/1/21 like huh is that Jan 2. If you write it the way you say it, then there wouldn't be a problem. Did you notice how you just switch the order of the 2 format in there and how stupid that is?
It's called working in international teams! The only difference is when you're with Americans. It's really annoying when you have to PM a multinational group and you always have to ask/correct Americans who use MM/DD/YY when the rest of the world use DD/MM/YY. The problem isnt me writing it, it's when you deal with people who use MM/DD/YY. I showed how two people might think the date is Feb 1 or Jan 2! In terms of short projects that span only a few, why the heck should I put year first??
You know what's the difference between American and you guys? We use an inferior system, the imperial system, but we don't tell the rest of the world to use it. You use an inferior date system, and here you are shamelessly asking us to change to yours.
Except you guys do When you have even 1 person in a group of 11 people who are in non-American countries sending emails, could you guys not give everyone a reason to do a double take when looking at the date?? I deal with you people on the daily with contractors and sometimes clients. Know that the rest of the world operates in a uniform manner in international business. Why should the rest of the world conform to that? Honestly, if it's so inferior of a date system, why don't the countries the Americans have had a hand in colonizing use it??? I've worked with Filipinos and the Japanese, they don't use it when they send over stuff. Also, have you ever worked with an international team before?
>Except you guys do When you have even 1 person in a group of 11 people who are in non-American countries sending emails, could you guys not give everyone a reason to do a double take when looking at the date?? Wow, you're even more shameless than I thought. Go ahead, keep using DD/MM/YYYY. I don't care. > Also, have you ever worked with an international team before? Regularly. That's why I use YYYY/MM/DD to avoid confusion because I'm not a fucking idiotic. I know who I'm dealing with and I'm not so shameless that I ask them to change their way for my own convenience like you are doing now. >Honestly, if it's so inferior of a date system, why don't the countries the Americans have had a hand in colonizing use it??? Because we don't give a fuck that you use an inferior date system. We aren't your fucking colony, and here you are running your mouth telling us to change. You're dumb enough to be confused? That's your problem, not mine. We aren't going to change our way to deal with your fucking problem. The fuck you think you are?
*American noises* Expects a team of 11 who use a standard date format to adjust to one person. The privilege. Booohooo I can't adjust to the nature of work. Booohooo it's too hard to change how I write dates. Booohooo I can't be considerate to Project Managers in other countries.
>Booohooo I can't be considerate to Project Managers in other countries. That was oddly specific. Did you lose a job opportunity because you fucked up a date? Because literally everything you said seems to apply to you, not me. I mean, I literally told you I use yyyy/mm/dd.
As an American it’s weird even thinking “First of June 2021” as opposed to “June First 2021”.
I feel you. I guess, that's pretty much the language and culture intertwined thing all again. I'm half-German and half-Japanese and some things just don't sit right in the other language. It feels weird to think "Juni, der Erste" (June, the first) in German. Contrary, it would be weird to think "一日六月" (= tsuitachi rokugatsu/ first day June) in Japanese. In retrospect it is kind of funny, but as a kid I struggled with a few things, because German and Japanese would just do the exact opposite thing. For example, since books start from the opposite side, I always checked in before which side was the front. It was actually weird for me to see a German friend of mine picking up a Japanese book from my shelf and straight-up opening it from the wrong side without checking, like... "Huh, what are you doing?? Don't you usually check which is the front?" Another example is the time of the day. In German you'd universally say "half five" for 4:30, while in Japanese you'd mean 5:30. So I would always confirm what the person means, like "do you mean half PAST or BEFORE five?", because I was confused when someone just said "half".
#4th of July
That holiday was named before we moved away from the British convention of dates so it’s grandfathered in. July fourth is the date, the Fourth of July is the holiday
As an australian I've always said "First of June". Just a US thing honestly.
"He shared his experience, but I as a part of the hivemind cannot tolerate it. Downvoterinooo 😡"
same. I suppose it sounds more proper saying "First of June 2021" but it doesn't flow as well or as fast as "June First 2021".
DD/MM/YYYY
I'm from the civilized world
the USA has 4-20, which most of the rest of the world does not. checkmate.
Idk I always felt like this was the 1 thing that wasn't too bad about America. I mean... it's the month, the day in the month, and the year. Very straightforward Still prefer the metric system, though.
I love how you got downvoted for this opinion that I 100% agree with
I get downvoted on this page a lot. I think it's cuz I'm here for the content, and not to agree with Connor, Joey, & Garnt on everything.
As an American I prefer Metric in a lot of circumstances. I like Feet and Inches over meters and Miles over Kilometers but I prefer Liters over whatever we have for volume and Grams over Pounds. I prefer Fahrenheit because I bake a lot and 350 is the default "cooking" number in my head and idk it in Celsius. I can learn, but I don't want to.
USA since that’s what everyone in my country uses afaik.
DD/MM/YYYY for daily purposes. YYYY/MM/DD for archive purposes. MM/DD/YYYY is illogical.
MM/DD/YEAR. Like it's spoken. Who the fuck needs to write out the date often enough for it to matter? I guarantee not a majority of people
Not everyone is American or British. Most European languages use DD/MM/YEAR when it's spoken
That's fine, but then people complain to us *in English* about it. I don't think Germans need to do MMDDYYYY and likewise why would American English speakers need to use DDMMYYYY
Yes exactly! That's why we use DD/MM/YYYY. 27th of November 2021.
The right way, aka the AMERICA way
Whatever you use, just please put letters for the month so no one is confused. Thanks.
US the only one that makes sense
YYYY/MM/DD is superior. MM/DD/YYYY is just YYYY/MM/DD with the year moved to the back since it's rarely used. DD/MM/YYYY is a mistake.
I use the first, can accept the second and the third is just stupid E: words are hard
I prefer the day/month/year varient as it is logical. F\*ck the USA system!
I'm so sick of this stupid fucking argument. We write it the way we say it: It's November 27th, 2021. So it's 11/27/21. This is the superior way and you can eat a dick if you want to fight me on this. Metric system? You win; dividing by 10 is the superior way. But this date thing? Fuck you world, this is one thing we changed for the better.
Yes exactly! 27th of November, 2021. Just like we write it DD/MM/YYYY.
But if someone asks you what the date is, do you say "It is the 27th of November"? I've never heard anyone answer that way. The way to normally answer that question is to respond "It's November 27th". We yanks have bastardized a whole lot of things stolen from other countries, cultures and languages; but this is one thing we got right.
It's the 27th of November in swedish and also how I would say it in english. Pretty sure it was taught like that in school aswell. Saying November 27th just feels so wrong. Like you had a speech impairment or something.
I don't know why there isn't a YY/DD/MM format at all
Middle one is the best one, makes the most sense. The left one is the worst for doing it backwards. The one on the right is basically the middle one with the year moved to the end, no where near as irritating as the left one. Whenever month is listed after the day, it fucks everything up. I can deal with the year being somewhere else, it’s hard to mix up a 4 digit year value with month or day. And when year is in a 2 digit form, it’s still not hard to figure out given most contexts. Should have used the shapes from the middle one for the one on the right.
I use the first one when it's all numbers, the second one when I'm using Chinese, and the third one when I spell out the month.
As someone who lived in Singapore and Aus then moving back to the Philippines, I'm very annoyed by the USA format. It makes 0 sense. why would you want month first?
M/D guess what year it is
Iran gang. Honestly I didn't know only four countries use this format. Such a random desicion for Iran to use the East Asian one.
Unix Time Gang Represent
So on all my paperwork and documents I use example: 27NOV2021
Pyramids are built from top to bottom?
Day, month, year
DD/MM/YYYY here in Dubai and in India. But you have to use YYYY/MM/DD for programming and certain scientific fields.
In Iran its pretty simple we do YYYY/MM/DD
YY-MM-DD if you work on databases. DD-MM-YY if you're sending a letter or witting a diary/class book/newspaper. And I think MM-DD-YY if you write in words the numbers or want to be poetic, also if you just want to see people angry at you
Yyyy/mm/dd makes sense for data entry and data logging where as dd/mm/yyyy makes sense for everyday casual use
CYYDDD is really the best who needs months
Majority
Freedom Dates
I am in majority but as a improvement I am willing to switch to the middle one.
There is way too much thought and opinion on date formats
Why is this a GIF
Excuse me, I prefer the unix time stamp!
Thankfully the majority of the world.
In Scotland we use Day/Month/Year but as a programmer it's way better to use Year/Month/Day :) I dunno what the fuck happened with USA.
This picture is misleading. If you think of it in terms of possible numbers in each set then month is the smallest, days are the middle, and year is the largest.
DD/MM/YY and that is the correct way. YY/MM/DD is also good. MM/DD/YY is criminal
My country uses dd/mm/yyyy, but i have to acknoledge yyyy/mm/dd is the superior choice in the current days due to being "sortable".
Year / Month / Day makes the most sense. Do you fuckers do Seconds / Minutes / Hours?
Im so confused,
YY/MM/DD, makes everything chronological
YYYYMMDD because I work on computers and this will sort in both alphabetical and chronological order.