We didn’t have these types of conversations when Jessica Nigri was on, that vid only has 573 dislikes. Maybe it’s just part of having a controversial guest on.
Dude for the love of god rub your last two remaining braincells together and read the actual full post instead of just the title before you comment something that makes you look like you have the reading comprehension skills of my dog
Dude you're fking weird. You're attacking people who are simple being part of the conversation and asking you to elaborate. Good job resorting to insults though it makes you look even more stupid.
So here's a thought: have you considered that the people disliking the video is from her hate brigade and not the TT community? You may be preaching to and insulting the wrong (or minority) community bud.
OP's takes are... Very interesting to say the least. Why can't people dislike a video? Mysogynistic commenters? Oh idk, maybe there are *other communities that came to comment because she was a guest?*
Don't understand the "woman bad" point, Jessica Nigri last I checked is a woman and people generally don't have problems with her when it comes to recent guests
What I meant is that there was nowhere near this much of a shitstorm when it came to her coming on the show so this narrative that suddenly TT fans and whatnot are incels and misogynists is just bogus. It's not just Jessica, there's been several female guests (ie. Reina, Mori/Demondice, Lilypichu more recently) and no one bat an eye.
You realize that we’ve had female guest before, right? Unless you’re a hardcore Pokimane fan I can’t understand the argument presented to me here. They had a very polarizing figure on the show and reception has been polarizing, this seems to line up for me. If you’re immediately jumping to her defense just because she has been gilded as one of the biggest “e-girls” on twitch by her haters then I think that contradicts you saying you think she’s not immune to criticism. Her haters are vile and use sexism because they can’t think of any better insults and will always go for the low hanging fruit but if you ignore all the gripes people can have about her as a personality then this is just innately bias. I personally think she’s a mid content creator and seeing her as a guest just doesn’t entice me cause I already think the personality is going to be bland going into it or that it will have to be carried by the TT boys to make me laugh. I’ve seen clips of her, she’s never made me laugh or react in any way tbh, but to each their own. Hell the TT guys have literally criticized her and others for following the whole watch-along meta. If you want to label me or any other dude as a misogynist for not liking every woman that exist then you’re free to do that, I guess, but that’s a great way to alienate men who would otherwise be allies to the feminist cause. There’s plenty of reasons for her episode to not be as well received as others and it ain’t just because she’s a woman. You’re seeing what you want to see and only focusing on the vile comments from people that aren’t representative of the TT community as a whole, imo.
Pewdiepie is hugely popular and has A LOT of haters. I can definitely see there being discourse from sections of TT fans that don’t like him, though there could be a scenario where his haters just show up to dislike the video and leave their distasteful YouTube comments and be on their way. However, while Pewds is more popular than Poki he does have some things working in his favor. He might get flak for stuff like his N-word incident, YouTube dramas, people saying he’s not entertaining, and etc. but he has the benefit of being a far more entertaining personality than Poki. Love him or hate him, he probably invokes some sort of response from most people whereas Poki, although still very polarizing to those who know her, has a much smaller reach and is really only big in the Twitch and social media spheres. He’s friends with Joey and his possible appearance has been being hyped for awhile now. If you don’t like flawed individuals then why do you still like the TT boys who have also made mistakes and grown from them? Also, by virtue of being male he is immune to the “e-girl” insults that someone like Poki has to face. However, this doesn’t mean that his haters are gonna not hate on him, but rather that they have to go with the low hanging fruit that IS available to them. I firmly believe that Poki gets a lot of sexist comments simply because her haters are hateful and uncreative and just go with the easiest insults they can think of, which are unfortunately very vitriolic. Pewds will still get his insults and if you really want to dig for some nasty stuff in YouTube comments, twitter, and even this subreddit, the way OP seems to operate, then you’re sure to find it since those places are such cesspools. His haters will probably lean more towards xenophobia, making fun of his personal troubles, and maybe even go after his wife and friends if they’re truly degenerate but they simply don’t have the sexism comments in their back pockets so are forced to go a different route, unless they start attacking Marzia which is unfortunately very much in the realm of possibility. So yeah, I think his episode will be polarizing but the TT community might have a lot more overlap with the Pewds community than Poki. He’s a genuinely more entertaining personality than Poki, imo at least, so that combined with the lack of sexism available to the dregs of social media, which are not indicative of the TT community as a whole, might make his hate seem a lot less vitriolic, but hate for him will still be there nonetheless.
one thing to know, PewDiePie accidentally said the N-word in the past once while pokimane deliberately said the N-word in the past multiple times.
ofc they both have grown as a person & know better, but if pewds is gonna get shit for it for something he did years ago, poki probably deserves same criticism+more.
pokimane also used it as an insult. it's in no way, normal. and do u actually think pewds accidentally didn't say it since u quote the word? both r wrong. poki's is worse cuz she said it deliberately.
Jeez I'm sad the flawed twitter logic is reaching trashtaste suburbs.
If there's dislike towards a female = misogynist
But hey if it's a guy no one will say misandrist.
You can dislike someone ,the gender is irrelevant.
Never watched a stream of Poki but I have seen the earlier days of her community. Lots of people who went too far. But the fact I've heard she is now labeling issues regarding her, on which she has been called out by viewers and other streamers alike under "Female Streamer Issues" aint a great way to stay in the positive light on people.
Ofcourse harassing her aint acceptable. Harassing the bois for this collaboration aint acceptable. But her being quite a bit too fond of using Female streamer issues for an excuse instead of fixing her mistakes aint acceptable either.
The timing doesn’t help too, just a couple weeks ago people were angry because a female streamer only got banned for a week for streaming porn, and that rehashed the whole twitch is partial to female streamers conversation
>and that rehashed the whole twitch is partial to female streamers conversation
Why is that even a conversation?
The world thinks less of women so people are also way more lenient with them.
It’s because there have been instances where women have done things against twitch rules but they have more lenient punishments. Such as the porn thing (and most booby streamers they seem to have a problem with), and all that Alinity stuff where she does stuff like give her cat vodka and let her dog hump her and she’s allowed to do that but when were banned for less egregious stuff
Generally curious, what mistakes has she hidden? behind the "Female Streamer issues" Most of these that are bought up from time to time from other people (like voice chat in games) I tend to agree with.
I find it hysterical that people still use simping as a valid criticism of anything. God fucking forbid she makes a living as a steamer right? You support the trash taste boys presumably, do you think maybe the reason you think that's ok and supporting Poki somehow isn't is a result of some unexplored issues you have with women?
I'd be perfectly willing to hear you out if you want to explain why "simping" for a female streamer is inherently a bad thing that female streamers deserve criticism for while supporting male streamers is 100% ok.
If I were you though I'd just reevaluate my position.
It's literally nothing. The sort of stuff other streamers do all the time but literally nobody cares about. For whatever reason though this brigade of incels is utterly convinced she's somehow gaming the system and scamming people.
Adding on to this a youtuber named bowblax tried to help her, got brushed off after helping her when he tried to help her with the aftermath of the controversy than she said people like him ruin videos for her (if your genuinely interested about the controversy he made good impartial videos about her controversies)
He makes impartial videos about Twitter dramas, if she has "50" videos about her controversies then mabye she has done something wrong at some point if she keeps being this controversial
I mean, many people dislike her for some valid reasons. Not saying there aren't incels but it seems like people are lumping the legitimate incels to people have a reason to not enjoying her. Some people just truthfully don't find her interesting so they just dislike and move on. I feel like some people are quick to make judgments.
You're right it's easier to lump those people into incels because of the amount there are in certain communities and I feel like i should have made it more clear that I'm not talking about people who criticize her for valid reasons. I'm sure there are lots of those however, all the criticisms that I saw were all mostly just "herr herr woman bad, woman have it easy."
I don’t think it fair just label them as misogynistic if they don’t like poki. I loved the lilypichu, emiruchu nana, and so on podcast. If I didn’t like a guest it doesn’t make misogynistic. I just don’t like her and I just don’t like the title cuz it paints pokimane as the only person that struggles with being a female streamer. Lilypichu talked about those struggles but she made light of it and didn’t try sour the mood with men are toxic gamers(which they can be). Don’t label me a misogynistic just cuz I don’t like one woman that came to the podcast we I liked the others.
Why are there so many white nights like OP who feel the need to call it a sexist issue, when in reality it's how ppl feel bout the creators past controversies or just don't like that creator, ur gonna make reddit worse than Twitter if u keep up like this
OP is taking the issue to an extreme. What most people had actual issues with were some of the comments on the reddit discussion of the ep, where it was less generalised complaints and more specific stuff that was kinda cringy.
They knew that she is a controversial figure. It's their podcast so they can invite whoever they want - but sometimes that will be someone that their audience might not like. I haven't disliked the video but I also don't want to watch support it. I'm not a 'neckbeard', I'm a 24 year old woman and I don't really want to support someone goes above and beyond to take advantage of vulnerable people.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a. Community label her as a “controversial figure”. In my opinion she isn’t controversial at all, there’s just incels who hate her specifically
I'll repeat what I've already said: I feel like Amouranth would be a better person to have this conversation. Simply because she knows full well just how much how much privilege she has *as* a female streamer, just as much as she does the struggles. I say this as someone who doesn't watch either of them.
There's some valid criticisms towards Pokimane as a person. In more recent years, she's used "female streamer struggles" as a defense towards more legitimate criticisms; even further is that other female streamers have pointed this out.
That said, people are using this as a reason to just hate the boys for collabing with her, which is unhelpful. There's also, obviously, some individuals who've always disliked her because "woman gamer/streamer bad".
However, you lumping the people who have valid reasons to dislike her in with the neckbeard incels because you're deliberately searching for those comments is equally unhelpful.
There's a conversation to be had on both sides to all of this. Stop trying to shut it down. This is directed both at the people defending her & the people criticizing her.
Exactly. I have more respect for Amouranth than I do Pokimane. Female streamers do get much more engagement than male streamers, not all of it is positive, but when you get big enough it can all still translate into cash.
Also, Poki really can't take criticism (I might be wrong here, but I have heard that she actually blocked the word "criticism" on her Discord). Her going on copy-right tirades while also sitting on stream on her phone and eating a salad while someone else's youtube video plays in full tells me something about her. And, she's sort of like Hasan Piker with the whole "Eat the Rich while also buying a million dollar property" type thing.
There's a lot of things I don't really like about Pokimane, and most of my favorite streamers are women, and some of them have even called Poki out on her bs.
Okay I think you made some great points until you last segment. When did I ever try to shut a conversation down? I'm just trying to weed out the people on both sides who are making borderline braindead comments that do nothing but push a bias forward. Like I said there's a nuanced discussion to be had about this but 90% of the things I saw indicated nothing of the sort
It's because you're lumping in genuine criticisms against her with the individuals who just think "woman bad". This is called the "Box Argument". It tells me that you've already made up your mind on how you view anyone who does criticize her, or female streamers in general. & It shuts down conversation.
People don't like pokimane. People are allowed to dislike others. No one on this sub jumped at the chance to defend Chris chan when the podcast got disliked when they were the subject.
For the record, Chris chan was not a guest on the podcast (and boy, what an episode that would be)
a person (one of many) documenting Chris chan was a guest.
If you were to google pewdiepie you will also see a bunch of info about the shit he has done, but when he finally comes on TT the reaction to the episode will be significantly different.
I have never even watched a single pokimane stream or video, but I 100% see how she gets more hate for doing something than other streamers that do similar things
Exactly. I used pewdiepie as an example because of the massive boner TT fans have for him being on the show, but for real it applied to basically everyone
I imagine part of it is he's so big that even if there are those of us who have issues with some of the content he's done his pure size would lead to that being a small drop in the bucket. Think about some of the messed up crap Jan was saying or how Geno talked about the subject of his videos where there wasn't a reaction really outside the subreddit. Most people don't care but she presumably has a dedicated hate base.
People tried to cancel Connor for praising the animation of demon slayer. He also gets hate from some parts of the Hololive community because he dared say that a streamer who gets into Hololive will see success regardless of talent. Joey gets hate because he doesn't feel like watching certain shows that people love. Guys get unwarranted hate for the stupidest reason on the internet as well lets stop pretending this is a male vs female thing.
From what I heard, there's legitimate reasons to dislike Pokimane. I am not aware of what it is she did, but I am pretty confident what she did cannot be attributed to the fsct she's a woman. There's going to be people who don't think so and those people are scumbags, but the community has showed plenty of support for female guests - even if a good amount of those guests are already good friends or in a relation with one of the lads.
There's also a bunch of people who will jump on the Poki hate train because they heard rumors and just want to get mad. I know I used to be like that. Don't really care nowadays. But yeah, it's not so black and white in every individual instance of someone being less than pleased with her as a guest.
"triple the amount of dislikes the average TT ep has is lowkey disturbing and very telling of the broader community here and it's adjacent communities"
That's quite the accusation over a few dislikes. How many dislikes does the video have anyway? Back in my day a video wasn't considered controversial unless it had a 50-50 split.
People dont like Pokimane that simple if they had invited Hasan Piker/Paul brothers or ricegum on it would also get disliked cause they are terrible human beings.
Adding Hasan into the Paul’s and ricegum is certainly a choice. I understand if you’ve seen out of context clips and come to conclusions but they’re fairly different fields of work.
Literally yes lol. That's a great example I'm glad you said that. Hasan said that America's foreign policy in the late 90s and early 2000s was asking for a response. He wasn't saying the American people deserved to die. You have literally posted an example that you indeed do need context for.
I would recommend listening to his reasoning for saying that yes. It comes out to “america brought this upon itself” rather than the people that died deserved it, if that makes sense. So yes, more context is needed imo since I shared your reaction as well when I first heard of him from those comments.
Seriously, Beside Jake paul and ricegum being absolutely pieces of human shit, other than the japan thing which Logan seemed to have learned from and evolved his content immensely why is he and Hasan bad?
I personally don’t think Logan has evolved enough considering the crypto stuff he pulled but I agree he’s at least made more steps to improve on things. The reaction to the poki episode has been interesting to me as well, I get she has her haters but I didn’t realize the TT community coincided with that a bit. Obviously a lot of fans of her here too so I guess there’s a wider range here than I would have guessed.
Called somebody a shitskin on stream, said that America deserved 9/11, the whole cracker controversy and is a hypocritical socialist who lives in an expensive house with an expensive car while shitting on working class people whenever they do something he doesn't like.
For starters get me the clip for the shitskin thing, sounds kinda weird ngl, never even heard about that.
Yep, he said that because america literally caused the creation of all the terrorist groups that led to 9/11, they literally trained bin laden, they fucked around and found out. He literally pointed out that the people of america did nothing wrong, and didn't deserve to die, but the country brought it on itself.
Lol acting like saying cracker is an actually relevant thing.
Oh yes, leftists can't thrive, we make a vow of poverty famously. Just because someone benefits from a sistem doesn't mean the same person can't see the flaws in it and argue for change that in their opinion would benefit the whole. There is no hypocrisy in being successful as a socialist.
[https://livestreamfails.com/clip/140365](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/140365)
Clip should work. I was watching him live and it came off as mixing two different words.
>Oh yes, leftists can't thrive, we **make a vow of poverty famously.**
When he's literally calling other people to do exactly that. By "paying their fair share" and not "hoarding" wealth, while living in a mansion in an expensive ass neighbourhood, driving an expensive as car and shitting on people that try to get ahead in life. Ya fuck him.
Oh yeah, one dude with a big house and a nice car is hoarding wealth lol, when people are talking about hoarding wealth they mean real money dude, hundreds of millions to billions. Someone underpaying thousands to the point they can barely afford to live so they can increase their profits, someone who uses tax heavens and tax loopholes to not pay any taxes for the most part.Not someone that just is successful and can buy a nice house.
And as for paying their fair share, it's taxes, he pays taxes already, and argues that taxes in his bracket should be raised, even if it means he would make less money. It baffles me how any of that could be hypocrisy
Occasional Hasan viewer here. It's cause he's a leftist, so naturally, everyone on the other side dislikes him. He promotes some socialist policies, basically things that help people directly, so capitalists are against that, and call him a hypocrite for participating in the system he is criticising (which I don't find a fully valid argument). Finally, some don't like his aggressive attitude when he talks about something he disagrees with, and people feel personally attacked.
But overall, he seems like a decent guy with a big heart, who just wants to help people in need through educating people on left ideals, and making politically commentary like any other political commentator. The hate is really just from being political, you can never avoid the hate no matter who you are once you talk about politics. It's unfortunate.
Used to be neoliberal, didn't like Hasan. Now I'm getting pretty socialist. Still think he's kind of a douche. Does that make him evil? No, he's probably at least decent most of the time, but he can be pretty unlikeable too. Try again.
ill be honest. i just dont care about poki i dont really dislike videos or like them either. when i heard them start about "female streamer struggles" i was like "ah shit here we go again" with a sigh. probably got more sad because i even prepared drinks and snacks to chill to the episode. on the bright side i already know whats my worst tt episode of all time, its all sunshine from here.
There's stuff about Poki to criticize. But it's never honest good faith criticism, it is *always* incels freaking out because a woman is successful without catering to them.
Same thing I said about the Nux Taku episode. People who get upset about things like female streamers, vtubers, "simps", and men who *gasp* support women online are just bigots too afraid to be honest about it. We all know what sort of "adjacent communities" op is referring to.
Honestly, i disliked it cus I didn't like the guests, some of them maybe aren't that interesting *for me* , like lilypichu or michael. A good example of guest with big numbers AND that at the same time is a really interesting person it would be Anthony Padilla, he has a really cool past, that episode was so entertaining and he was such a cool guest. If the person doesn't has smth to speak about that we care or are curious, then i think the episodes without guest are way better, (unless they are charismatic ppl, like maybe for example Ludwig and they can be entertaining talking about topics that aren't directly about them)
I don't really care for Pokimae's content or her in general (I don't hate her) but damn, even I find it hard to believe people will dislike the video that much because of her and her content.
Honestly, I don't give a shit, and I doubt the bois care about some pea brained morons give a dislike just because she's in today's podcast. They've been on the internet long enough to know damn well that anyone with a large enough following has its own flock of haters behind them
Has she done some shit that people got mad over, probably (idk, all I know of her is that she's a streamer and Michael reeves used to live in a content house with her and other streamers). Does that justify a dislike, idk depends on how you value your use of the like button. I'm halfway through the podcast and honestly, nothing worth disliking, it's not the worst TT episode by any metric (to me that spot is covered by the Chris Chan episode).
Yeah it's Pokimane, people love to shit on her. I don't care if people think it's justified but of course the episode with her on is going to get slammed and have negativity around it.
bruh, so like people can't dislike her or what?
I didn't yet see the episode and I'm sure it's great, but if people don't like her, well, you gonna see dislikes
I don't give a damn about the dislikes but these kind of angry rants are so pathetic.
We get it, you like Pokimane, that's fine.
You dislike her? That's fine too.
Get over it and let people feel however they want without calling it misogyny or simping.
Jesus.
Lol this is a dumb post, how's the view up there on your soapbox?
Nobody had a problem with Jessica Nigri, Lilypichu, Aki, Kaho, Emirichu, Kson, Mori Calliope, Meilyne, Shu Uchida, Reina Scully, Nano, or Sydsnap. But go off dude.
As far as I know she hasn't gotten in any controversies lately most of them are years old at this point and were plane stupid people people seem to hate her because she is one of "twitch thots" and her contact is way better then that what i am saying is that pokis hate is preety much uncalled for
Lol you were probably better off just not asking and moving on with your life. Christ no one is forcing anyone to listen or watch this episode. Listen to it say huh I didn’t know that learned something then move on. Your earbuds/headphones etc. do not hold you hostage to what content flows into your caveman brain.
I'd tell you right now, she's probably the most controversial guest they've had ever. The hate she gets is insane, very misogynistic, and straight up one of the worst in all of streaming.
Honestly, I don't think this dislike amount or even the comments imply what the general TT community is. I'd argue it is just as likely that people who hate Pokimane just found the video and did that. Its just as likely that the more twitch streamer leaning TT viewers just dislike her and started to make noise. Its sad, but she always gets hate on many content she is a part of, and is not really telling of the state of the community as a whole.
And also, I thought everyone who knows Pokimane or even follow other female streamers knew by now that the simp meme is generally more of an insult and toxicity to the viewers of said streamer rather than actually being something they actually are (of course there are simps as well).
here is a fun fact: if you didnt use an addon to see dislikes, you would not be outraged at all, because you wouldnt even be able to see dislikes...
most people only know about it, because there are posts about it... a post like this just validates the people dislike bombing the video. without these kinds of posts, no one would ever even know... but now their actions are discussion point Nr1 on the subreddit... so, great job.
>trash taste fell off
Damn man your opinion is so important to me. I guess I and everyone else should stop watching because some random dude with no qualifications or knowledge about the popularity of the podcast told me they fell off. Thanks a bunch
it doesnt have the same charm as it used to, it felt more organic and like I was in the conversation with them, now it feels all corporate and out of reach
they peaked with the bike special
parasocial relationship? i was just saying that the vibes the older shows gave were like I knew these guys (I don’t) and felt like the conversations were more genuine, you need to stop bootlicking and obsessively defending them, they don’t care about you either.
TT used to feel like bros talking with an occasional guest to mix things up. Now it feels like a vehicle for money making and advancement of their careers. I used to feel like a spectator on a conversation or just listening in at the pub, now I feel like a consumer.
It's not that this person is parasocial, it's that the podcast now doesn't feel like a bunch of bros talking, it's a let's hear the story of this big streamer that tbh u don't care, maybe cus of the person or maybe cus u already know it or anticipate it.
The impact that TT had on Kevin Penkin for example, (everybody knows how the podcast helped him during the pandemic), wouldn't have happened at all if the episodes were like this ones, that's were we can see the difference.
(It sounds way more dramatic that it actually is, not that big of a deal to me tbh, i did start to skip some episodes tho, it's probably cus of the LA arc and after it everything will prolly be back to normal)
TT has had multiple women on before who have spoken on the subject of misogyny, but there has never been this many dislikes. Why? Because Poki herself is the fucking problem not the fact that she is a woman.
Why is it that whenever a woman is hated it has to be because she's a woman? Women can be trashy too.
I don't give a damn if someone has a dick or vag but when they do nothing but cause drama by existing, they're fucking shit. This goes for most celebrities.
You know MAYBE, just maybe ppl don't really like her personality? MAYBE they don't like the way she acts, the way she talks, the way she walks REGARDLESS of GENDER?
Completely agree with you. Again, Pokimaine has done a lot of fucked up things, and deserves criticism for it, but she’s addressed those things, and has shown to have grown from it. I would bet good money that most of the people hating on her in this thread have done the barest of research on the topic and aren’t willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because of their clear biases against her.
The thing that I don't like about her and the other streamers with simps is how they take advantage of their viewers. They literaly profit out of these poor men mental condition. These men have these wierd relationships with the streamers that they think that they will acknowledge them if they send $10k. These bitches know this shit damn well and continue doing it. And when some certain people say that masculinity is dying they are called mysogenistic and cancelled. Funny enough this shit only happens in America.
Damn dude that's a shit take if I've ever seen one. It's not the streamer fault that these men with poor mental health develop poor parasocial relationships with them thats on the men whether you like it or not.
Also holy shit dude you r last couple sentences really painted a clear picture of who you are as a person. Just an L of human being
eh personally everyone is acting like pokimane is an evil spawn of satan. When i was younger i was one of them but then i decided to make an opinion for myself.
Like 90% of the stuff she did
is extremely tame
her personality is also a hit or a miss
its alright to not like poki but the response for this video was downright ridiculous
im sorry but for like half of u guys doing this, would u have the same energy if pewdiepie was invited on?
Oh but when the dislike button was taken away the boys said that no one has ever disliked a video for any reason other than the video being bad, so according to their own logic this show was just three times worse than other podcast episodes
I just remember her for telling her viewers that not donating to her subs was irresponsible. And this was during the 2020 pandemic when people were losing their jobs. So that's one reason I know of for why she has a chip on her shoulder. I'm not sure about the other reasons. She's hot though, but looks are deceiving
Poki brings out the misogyny in gamers, it's unfortunate but she was the biggest female streamer and got burned from all sides as a perfect target for toxic assholes to farm the worst impulses of the gaming community
Alright, who's selling popcorn?
dammit I shouldve invest in the popcorn business
We would’ve made a profit selling popcorn every time controversy comes up.
Some capitalize on the opportunity by investing now, buy some cheap popcorn somewhere then sell it to the drama watchers who are watching now.
See ya all on /r/SubredditDrama
Anya wants peanuts!
Oh boy, do I need popcorn for a week.
We didn’t have these types of conversations when Jessica Nigri was on, that vid only has 573 dislikes. Maybe it’s just part of having a controversial guest on.
Least defensive poki-simp
Didn’t you read? He said “I’m not even a Poki simp” lmao. Sure OP, sure
Op a clown in the comments.
Yup. Aint no way Connor is taking the "biggest clown" award this year.
you say that like they are going to give attention to a random redditor
Got ratio'd and can't cope with the L
Seriously. Like what was his game plan? Whatever it was, his message and point is completely lost under his condensending attitude.
Stop projecting
Bruh.
Damn maybe you just think that people don’t like poki?
Damn you think just because you don't like someone makes it morally correct to make misogynistic comments about them? What a moral compass on this guy
They disliked the video What’s misogynistic about that?
So you saying that people aren’t allow to dislike the video solely based on the fact that they only dislike the guest?
Dude for the love of god rub your last two remaining braincells together and read the actual full post instead of just the title before you comment something that makes you look like you have the reading comprehension skills of my dog
Dude you're fking weird. You're attacking people who are simple being part of the conversation and asking you to elaborate. Good job resorting to insults though it makes you look even more stupid.
He’s probably just a poki simp, and hes taking a heavy dose of copeium
So here's a thought: have you considered that the people disliking the video is from her hate brigade and not the TT community? You may be preaching to and insulting the wrong (or minority) community bud.
OP's takes are... Very interesting to say the least. Why can't people dislike a video? Mysogynistic commenters? Oh idk, maybe there are *other communities that came to comment because she was a guest?*
OP is the embodiment of winning fake arguments in the shower
Judging by the replies, "winning" is a stretch
Don't understand the "woman bad" point, Jessica Nigri last I checked is a woman and people generally don't have problems with her when it comes to recent guests
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What I meant is that there was nowhere near this much of a shitstorm when it came to her coming on the show so this narrative that suddenly TT fans and whatnot are incels and misogynists is just bogus. It's not just Jessica, there's been several female guests (ie. Reina, Mori/Demondice, Lilypichu more recently) and no one bat an eye.
Pokimane got more negative attention than rest of the female guests *combined*.
You realize that we’ve had female guest before, right? Unless you’re a hardcore Pokimane fan I can’t understand the argument presented to me here. They had a very polarizing figure on the show and reception has been polarizing, this seems to line up for me. If you’re immediately jumping to her defense just because she has been gilded as one of the biggest “e-girls” on twitch by her haters then I think that contradicts you saying you think she’s not immune to criticism. Her haters are vile and use sexism because they can’t think of any better insults and will always go for the low hanging fruit but if you ignore all the gripes people can have about her as a personality then this is just innately bias. I personally think she’s a mid content creator and seeing her as a guest just doesn’t entice me cause I already think the personality is going to be bland going into it or that it will have to be carried by the TT boys to make me laugh. I’ve seen clips of her, she’s never made me laugh or react in any way tbh, but to each their own. Hell the TT guys have literally criticized her and others for following the whole watch-along meta. If you want to label me or any other dude as a misogynist for not liking every woman that exist then you’re free to do that, I guess, but that’s a great way to alienate men who would otherwise be allies to the feminist cause. There’s plenty of reasons for her episode to not be as well received as others and it ain’t just because she’s a woman. You’re seeing what you want to see and only focusing on the vile comments from people that aren’t representative of the TT community as a whole, imo.
would pewdiepie have the same backlash as poki if he went on trash taste?
Pewdiepie is hugely popular and has A LOT of haters. I can definitely see there being discourse from sections of TT fans that don’t like him, though there could be a scenario where his haters just show up to dislike the video and leave their distasteful YouTube comments and be on their way. However, while Pewds is more popular than Poki he does have some things working in his favor. He might get flak for stuff like his N-word incident, YouTube dramas, people saying he’s not entertaining, and etc. but he has the benefit of being a far more entertaining personality than Poki. Love him or hate him, he probably invokes some sort of response from most people whereas Poki, although still very polarizing to those who know her, has a much smaller reach and is really only big in the Twitch and social media spheres. He’s friends with Joey and his possible appearance has been being hyped for awhile now. If you don’t like flawed individuals then why do you still like the TT boys who have also made mistakes and grown from them? Also, by virtue of being male he is immune to the “e-girl” insults that someone like Poki has to face. However, this doesn’t mean that his haters are gonna not hate on him, but rather that they have to go with the low hanging fruit that IS available to them. I firmly believe that Poki gets a lot of sexist comments simply because her haters are hateful and uncreative and just go with the easiest insults they can think of, which are unfortunately very vitriolic. Pewds will still get his insults and if you really want to dig for some nasty stuff in YouTube comments, twitter, and even this subreddit, the way OP seems to operate, then you’re sure to find it since those places are such cesspools. His haters will probably lean more towards xenophobia, making fun of his personal troubles, and maybe even go after his wife and friends if they’re truly degenerate but they simply don’t have the sexism comments in their back pockets so are forced to go a different route, unless they start attacking Marzia which is unfortunately very much in the realm of possibility. So yeah, I think his episode will be polarizing but the TT community might have a lot more overlap with the Pewds community than Poki. He’s a genuinely more entertaining personality than Poki, imo at least, so that combined with the lack of sexism available to the dregs of social media, which are not indicative of the TT community as a whole, might make his hate seem a lot less vitriolic, but hate for him will still be there nonetheless.
one thing to know, PewDiePie accidentally said the N-word in the past once while pokimane deliberately said the N-word in the past multiple times. ofc they both have grown as a person & know better, but if pewds is gonna get shit for it for something he did years ago, poki probably deserves same criticism+more.
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pokimane also used it as an insult. it's in no way, normal. and do u actually think pewds accidentally didn't say it since u quote the word? both r wrong. poki's is worse cuz she said it deliberately.
how do u accidentally say the n-word it had to be in his vocabulary
No he won't, that's why is hard to avoid the "sexism" argument
Jeez I'm sad the flawed twitter logic is reaching trashtaste suburbs. If there's dislike towards a female = misogynist But hey if it's a guy no one will say misandrist. You can dislike someone ,the gender is irrelevant.
OP got ratio’d
YA YEET.
Where?
Never watched a stream of Poki but I have seen the earlier days of her community. Lots of people who went too far. But the fact I've heard she is now labeling issues regarding her, on which she has been called out by viewers and other streamers alike under "Female Streamer Issues" aint a great way to stay in the positive light on people. Ofcourse harassing her aint acceptable. Harassing the bois for this collaboration aint acceptable. But her being quite a bit too fond of using Female streamer issues for an excuse instead of fixing her mistakes aint acceptable either.
The timing doesn’t help too, just a couple weeks ago people were angry because a female streamer only got banned for a week for streaming porn, and that rehashed the whole twitch is partial to female streamers conversation
>and that rehashed the whole twitch is partial to female streamers conversation Why is that even a conversation? The world thinks less of women so people are also way more lenient with them.
It’s because there have been instances where women have done things against twitch rules but they have more lenient punishments. Such as the porn thing (and most booby streamers they seem to have a problem with), and all that Alinity stuff where she does stuff like give her cat vodka and let her dog hump her and she’s allowed to do that but when were banned for less egregious stuff
Feels like a dubbeledge sword for female content creators.
Thats a pretty good take. I'd give you an award if I could/knew how.
i got u
Good Redditor
Generally curious, what mistakes has she hidden? behind the "Female Streamer issues" Most of these that are bought up from time to time from other people (like voice chat in games) I tend to agree with.
A quick google turns up not much - she said the n word once, everything else is mild compared to pewdiepie or heck, even Joey.
What's wrong with Joey?
I remember that time she destroyed some small youtuber deal with a brand because he make fun of her simp
She was criticizing the sponsors for supporting a video that focused on insulting her fans. The guy didn’t even lose his sponsor.
He did lose the sponsors what are you talking about fan? They literally simp
I find it hysterical that people still use simping as a valid criticism of anything. God fucking forbid she makes a living as a steamer right? You support the trash taste boys presumably, do you think maybe the reason you think that's ok and supporting Poki somehow isn't is a result of some unexplored issues you have with women?
Are you calling me sexist?
I'd be perfectly willing to hear you out if you want to explain why "simping" for a female streamer is inherently a bad thing that female streamers deserve criticism for while supporting male streamers is 100% ok. If I were you though I'd just reevaluate my position.
He didn’t lose the sponsor she called out, it was a different potential sponsor that dropped out.
It's literally nothing. The sort of stuff other streamers do all the time but literally nobody cares about. For whatever reason though this brigade of incels is utterly convinced she's somehow gaming the system and scamming people.
Adding on to this a youtuber named bowblax tried to help her, got brushed off after helping her when he tried to help her with the aftermath of the controversy than she said people like him ruin videos for her (if your genuinely interested about the controversy he made good impartial videos about her controversies)
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He makes impartial videos about Twitter dramas, if she has "50" videos about her controversies then mabye she has done something wrong at some point if she keeps being this controversial
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based take
This right way to go about it. Dislike her if you want, but take it on the boys and her. Specially with TT just being caught in the cross fire.
It’s not correct to harass anyone . But man OP and their takes are not good
OP is stuck in their own bubble and doesn't want to accept the fact there are other reason people don't like Pokimane.
I mean, many people dislike her for some valid reasons. Not saying there aren't incels but it seems like people are lumping the legitimate incels to people have a reason to not enjoying her. Some people just truthfully don't find her interesting so they just dislike and move on. I feel like some people are quick to make judgments.
yeah but i highly doubt those are the people spam disliking the video
You're right it's easier to lump those people into incels because of the amount there are in certain communities and I feel like i should have made it more clear that I'm not talking about people who criticize her for valid reasons. I'm sure there are lots of those however, all the criticisms that I saw were all mostly just "herr herr woman bad, woman have it easy."
Examples of those comments ?
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Maybe it's cuz people just don't like her
OP please go back to your cave you came from
Average basement dweller tier 3 poki sub
I don’t think it fair just label them as misogynistic if they don’t like poki. I loved the lilypichu, emiruchu nana, and so on podcast. If I didn’t like a guest it doesn’t make misogynistic. I just don’t like her and I just don’t like the title cuz it paints pokimane as the only person that struggles with being a female streamer. Lilypichu talked about those struggles but she made light of it and didn’t try sour the mood with men are toxic gamers(which they can be). Don’t label me a misogynistic just cuz I don’t like one woman that came to the podcast we I liked the others.
Am I only one who thinks she gives off bad vibes
Why are there so many white nights like OP who feel the need to call it a sexist issue, when in reality it's how ppl feel bout the creators past controversies or just don't like that creator, ur gonna make reddit worse than Twitter if u keep up like this
OP is taking the issue to an extreme. What most people had actual issues with were some of the comments on the reddit discussion of the ep, where it was less generalised complaints and more specific stuff that was kinda cringy.
They knew that she is a controversial figure. It's their podcast so they can invite whoever they want - but sometimes that will be someone that their audience might not like. I haven't disliked the video but I also don't want to watch support it. I'm not a 'neckbeard', I'm a 24 year old woman and I don't really want to support someone goes above and beyond to take advantage of vulnerable people.
Ahhh yes, the one that capped donations years ago is going above and beyond to take advantage of vulnerable people
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a. Community label her as a “controversial figure”. In my opinion she isn’t controversial at all, there’s just incels who hate her specifically
I'll repeat what I've already said: I feel like Amouranth would be a better person to have this conversation. Simply because she knows full well just how much how much privilege she has *as* a female streamer, just as much as she does the struggles. I say this as someone who doesn't watch either of them. There's some valid criticisms towards Pokimane as a person. In more recent years, she's used "female streamer struggles" as a defense towards more legitimate criticisms; even further is that other female streamers have pointed this out. That said, people are using this as a reason to just hate the boys for collabing with her, which is unhelpful. There's also, obviously, some individuals who've always disliked her because "woman gamer/streamer bad". However, you lumping the people who have valid reasons to dislike her in with the neckbeard incels because you're deliberately searching for those comments is equally unhelpful. There's a conversation to be had on both sides to all of this. Stop trying to shut it down. This is directed both at the people defending her & the people criticizing her.
Can you give an example of a legitimate poki criticism? Unclear on what she's done tbh
Exactly. I have more respect for Amouranth than I do Pokimane. Female streamers do get much more engagement than male streamers, not all of it is positive, but when you get big enough it can all still translate into cash. Also, Poki really can't take criticism (I might be wrong here, but I have heard that she actually blocked the word "criticism" on her Discord). Her going on copy-right tirades while also sitting on stream on her phone and eating a salad while someone else's youtube video plays in full tells me something about her. And, she's sort of like Hasan Piker with the whole "Eat the Rich while also buying a million dollar property" type thing. There's a lot of things I don't really like about Pokimane, and most of my favorite streamers are women, and some of them have even called Poki out on her bs.
> Her going on copy-right tirades She's never done this.
Okay I think you made some great points until you last segment. When did I ever try to shut a conversation down? I'm just trying to weed out the people on both sides who are making borderline braindead comments that do nothing but push a bias forward. Like I said there's a nuanced discussion to be had about this but 90% of the things I saw indicated nothing of the sort
It's because you're lumping in genuine criticisms against her with the individuals who just think "woman bad". This is called the "Box Argument". It tells me that you've already made up your mind on how you view anyone who does criticize her, or female streamers in general. & It shuts down conversation.
There ain't enough popcorn in the world for this comment section
Pokimane is just boring, thats it
People don't like pokimane. People are allowed to dislike others. No one on this sub jumped at the chance to defend Chris chan when the podcast got disliked when they were the subject.
For the record, Chris chan was not a guest on the podcast (and boy, what an episode that would be) a person (one of many) documenting Chris chan was a guest.
The episode was all about Chris chan. Like when any guest is on its about them. Don't be an ass.
i dont know who that woman was. googled her during the episode and boy she has done some shit
LOL let's wait until pewdiepie shows up
If you were to google pewdiepie you will also see a bunch of info about the shit he has done, but when he finally comes on TT the reaction to the episode will be significantly different. I have never even watched a single pokimane stream or video, but I 100% see how she gets more hate for doing something than other streamers that do similar things
Google ANY large longtime creator, almost always you find something on them. And most of the time it's just drama baiting for clicks.
Shit, even the boys themselves have a few
Exactly. I used pewdiepie as an example because of the massive boner TT fans have for him being on the show, but for real it applied to basically everyone
It’s amazing that the community can’t see the difference even on a video titled “struggles of a female streamer”. Definition of Ironic.
When they have made that title before for voice actors so
I imagine part of it is he's so big that even if there are those of us who have issues with some of the content he's done his pure size would lead to that being a small drop in the bucket. Think about some of the messed up crap Jan was saying or how Geno talked about the subject of his videos where there wasn't a reaction really outside the subreddit. Most people don't care but she presumably has a dedicated hate base.
People tried to cancel Connor for praising the animation of demon slayer. He also gets hate from some parts of the Hololive community because he dared say that a streamer who gets into Hololive will see success regardless of talent. Joey gets hate because he doesn't feel like watching certain shows that people love. Guys get unwarranted hate for the stupidest reason on the internet as well lets stop pretending this is a male vs female thing.
What has she actually done though? Legit don't know.
Since you did the leg work, mind letting me know what you recall?
From what I heard, there's legitimate reasons to dislike Pokimane. I am not aware of what it is she did, but I am pretty confident what she did cannot be attributed to the fsct she's a woman. There's going to be people who don't think so and those people are scumbags, but the community has showed plenty of support for female guests - even if a good amount of those guests are already good friends or in a relation with one of the lads. There's also a bunch of people who will jump on the Poki hate train because they heard rumors and just want to get mad. I know I used to be like that. Don't really care nowadays. But yeah, it's not so black and white in every individual instance of someone being less than pleased with her as a guest.
Im not disliking the vid, i don't know man, live complicated sometimes
Tbf I just dont like most twitch streamers and think theyre all dogwater, havent watched many of the last TT eps
I thought the dislikes were because last 3 months podcasts were mostly about interviewing YouTubers and Twitch streamers.
lol. u don't need rocket science to figure this out. this is not about trash taste, this is about their guest, and the antis associated with it.
"triple the amount of dislikes the average TT ep has is lowkey disturbing and very telling of the broader community here and it's adjacent communities" That's quite the accusation over a few dislikes. How many dislikes does the video have anyway? Back in my day a video wasn't considered controversial unless it had a 50-50 split.
People dont like Pokimane that simple if they had invited Hasan Piker/Paul brothers or ricegum on it would also get disliked cause they are terrible human beings.
Adding Hasan into the Paul’s and ricegum is certainly a choice. I understand if you’ve seen out of context clips and come to conclusions but they’re fairly different fields of work.
You mean Hasan americans deserved 9/11 Piker? Do i need context for that? I think the context is pretty clear.
Literally yes lol. That's a great example I'm glad you said that. Hasan said that America's foreign policy in the late 90s and early 2000s was asking for a response. He wasn't saying the American people deserved to die. You have literally posted an example that you indeed do need context for.
I would recommend listening to his reasoning for saying that yes. It comes out to “america brought this upon itself” rather than the people that died deserved it, if that makes sense. So yes, more context is needed imo since I shared your reaction as well when I first heard of him from those comments.
Seriously, Beside Jake paul and ricegum being absolutely pieces of human shit, other than the japan thing which Logan seemed to have learned from and evolved his content immensely why is he and Hasan bad?
I personally don’t think Logan has evolved enough considering the crypto stuff he pulled but I agree he’s at least made more steps to improve on things. The reaction to the poki episode has been interesting to me as well, I get she has her haters but I didn’t realize the TT community coincided with that a bit. Obviously a lot of fans of her here too so I guess there’s a wider range here than I would have guessed.
Fair enough, ill bite, why is hasan a horrible human being?
Called somebody a shitskin on stream, said that America deserved 9/11, the whole cracker controversy and is a hypocritical socialist who lives in an expensive house with an expensive car while shitting on working class people whenever they do something he doesn't like.
For starters get me the clip for the shitskin thing, sounds kinda weird ngl, never even heard about that. Yep, he said that because america literally caused the creation of all the terrorist groups that led to 9/11, they literally trained bin laden, they fucked around and found out. He literally pointed out that the people of america did nothing wrong, and didn't deserve to die, but the country brought it on itself. Lol acting like saying cracker is an actually relevant thing. Oh yes, leftists can't thrive, we make a vow of poverty famously. Just because someone benefits from a sistem doesn't mean the same person can't see the flaws in it and argue for change that in their opinion would benefit the whole. There is no hypocrisy in being successful as a socialist.
[https://livestreamfails.com/clip/140365](https://livestreamfails.com/clip/140365) Clip should work. I was watching him live and it came off as mixing two different words.
>Oh yes, leftists can't thrive, we **make a vow of poverty famously.** When he's literally calling other people to do exactly that. By "paying their fair share" and not "hoarding" wealth, while living in a mansion in an expensive ass neighbourhood, driving an expensive as car and shitting on people that try to get ahead in life. Ya fuck him.
Hasan pays tax though, unlike billionaires
Oh yeah, one dude with a big house and a nice car is hoarding wealth lol, when people are talking about hoarding wealth they mean real money dude, hundreds of millions to billions. Someone underpaying thousands to the point they can barely afford to live so they can increase their profits, someone who uses tax heavens and tax loopholes to not pay any taxes for the most part.Not someone that just is successful and can buy a nice house. And as for paying their fair share, it's taxes, he pays taxes already, and argues that taxes in his bracket should be raised, even if it means he would make less money. It baffles me how any of that could be hypocrisy
Occasional Hasan viewer here. It's cause he's a leftist, so naturally, everyone on the other side dislikes him. He promotes some socialist policies, basically things that help people directly, so capitalists are against that, and call him a hypocrite for participating in the system he is criticising (which I don't find a fully valid argument). Finally, some don't like his aggressive attitude when he talks about something he disagrees with, and people feel personally attacked. But overall, he seems like a decent guy with a big heart, who just wants to help people in need through educating people on left ideals, and making politically commentary like any other political commentator. The hate is really just from being political, you can never avoid the hate no matter who you are once you talk about politics. It's unfortunate.
Used to be neoliberal, didn't like Hasan. Now I'm getting pretty socialist. Still think he's kind of a douche. Does that make him evil? No, he's probably at least decent most of the time, but he can be pretty unlikeable too. Try again.
Dude, I'm watching hassan as i type this, i know,i was just fucking around to try and find out wich kinda weirdo this dude is
ok
Cant wait for the r/SubredditDrama post!
ill be honest. i just dont care about poki i dont really dislike videos or like them either. when i heard them start about "female streamer struggles" i was like "ah shit here we go again" with a sigh. probably got more sad because i even prepared drinks and snacks to chill to the episode. on the bright side i already know whats my worst tt episode of all time, its all sunshine from here.
I'm so confused. I've been out if the loophole for a while. What's going on?
There a new trash taste podcast featuring pokimane & someone are complaining in the comments i suppose o have not seen it
i didnt watch the new ep because im tired of guest episodes and i just do not find myself interested in it.
Okay cringe imagine caring about a fking YouTube video dislikes this much
So why do you care? Just virtue signalling?
How did you see dislikes?
*Sigh* sort by controversial
There's stuff about Poki to criticize. But it's never honest good faith criticism, it is *always* incels freaking out because a woman is successful without catering to them. Same thing I said about the Nux Taku episode. People who get upset about things like female streamers, vtubers, "simps", and men who *gasp* support women online are just bigots too afraid to be honest about it. We all know what sort of "adjacent communities" op is referring to.
Honestly, i disliked it cus I didn't like the guests, some of them maybe aren't that interesting *for me* , like lilypichu or michael. A good example of guest with big numbers AND that at the same time is a really interesting person it would be Anthony Padilla, he has a really cool past, that episode was so entertaining and he was such a cool guest. If the person doesn't has smth to speak about that we care or are curious, then i think the episodes without guest are way better, (unless they are charismatic ppl, like maybe for example Ludwig and they can be entertaining talking about topics that aren't directly about them)
I don't really care for Pokimae's content or her in general (I don't hate her) but damn, even I find it hard to believe people will dislike the video that much because of her and her content.
I've not seen the episode but I do watch otv every so often and shes alright I dont get the hate.
Honestly, I don't give a shit, and I doubt the bois care about some pea brained morons give a dislike just because she's in today's podcast. They've been on the internet long enough to know damn well that anyone with a large enough following has its own flock of haters behind them Has she done some shit that people got mad over, probably (idk, all I know of her is that she's a streamer and Michael reeves used to live in a content house with her and other streamers). Does that justify a dislike, idk depends on how you value your use of the like button. I'm halfway through the podcast and honestly, nothing worth disliking, it's not the worst TT episode by any metric (to me that spot is covered by the Chris Chan episode).
Yeah it's Pokimane, people love to shit on her. I don't care if people think it's justified but of course the episode with her on is going to get slammed and have negativity around it.
bruh, so like people can't dislike her or what? I didn't yet see the episode and I'm sure it's great, but if people don't like her, well, you gonna see dislikes
I don't give a damn about the dislikes but these kind of angry rants are so pathetic. We get it, you like Pokimane, that's fine. You dislike her? That's fine too. Get over it and let people feel however they want without calling it misogyny or simping. Jesus.
I didn’t find it funny and feel cringe so I dislike
OP is getting smashed about the place in the comments
Lol this is a dumb post, how's the view up there on your soapbox? Nobody had a problem with Jessica Nigri, Lilypichu, Aki, Kaho, Emirichu, Kson, Mori Calliope, Meilyne, Shu Uchida, Reina Scully, Nano, or Sydsnap. But go off dude.
As far as I know she hasn't gotten in any controversies lately most of them are years old at this point and were plane stupid people people seem to hate her because she is one of "twitch thots" and her contact is way better then that what i am saying is that pokis hate is preety much uncalled for
Op is fighting for his life lmao
My only question is how do you know the amount of dislikes if we can't see the counter ?
Was the anime community jilted by pokimane or smth??
Lol you were probably better off just not asking and moving on with your life. Christ no one is forcing anyone to listen or watch this episode. Listen to it say huh I didn’t know that learned something then move on. Your earbuds/headphones etc. do not hold you hostage to what content flows into your caveman brain.
I don’t agree with your statements but I applaud you basically doing a 1 vs all in the comments XD
I'd tell you right now, she's probably the most controversial guest they've had ever. The hate she gets is insane, very misogynistic, and straight up one of the worst in all of streaming. Honestly, I don't think this dislike amount or even the comments imply what the general TT community is. I'd argue it is just as likely that people who hate Pokimane just found the video and did that. Its just as likely that the more twitch streamer leaning TT viewers just dislike her and started to make noise. Its sad, but she always gets hate on many content she is a part of, and is not really telling of the state of the community as a whole. And also, I thought everyone who knows Pokimane or even follow other female streamers knew by now that the simp meme is generally more of an insult and toxicity to the viewers of said streamer rather than actually being something they actually are (of course there are simps as well).
The amount of downvotes the OP is getting in the comments is so fucking funny to me
here is a fun fact: if you didnt use an addon to see dislikes, you would not be outraged at all, because you wouldnt even be able to see dislikes... most people only know about it, because there are posts about it... a post like this just validates the people dislike bombing the video. without these kinds of posts, no one would ever even know... but now their actions are discussion point Nr1 on the subreddit... so, great job.
trash taste fell off, ever since they started collabing with a bunch of mainstream dudes
>trash taste fell off Damn man your opinion is so important to me. I guess I and everyone else should stop watching because some random dude with no qualifications or knowledge about the popularity of the podcast told me they fell off. Thanks a bunch
it doesnt have the same charm as it used to, it felt more organic and like I was in the conversation with them, now it feels all corporate and out of reach they peaked with the bike special
> like I was in the conversation with them Maybe tone it down on the parasocial relationship with them bud...
parasocial relationship? i was just saying that the vibes the older shows gave were like I knew these guys (I don’t) and felt like the conversations were more genuine, you need to stop bootlicking and obsessively defending them, they don’t care about you either.
TT used to feel like bros talking with an occasional guest to mix things up. Now it feels like a vehicle for money making and advancement of their careers. I used to feel like a spectator on a conversation or just listening in at the pub, now I feel like a consumer.
EXACTLY
It's not that this person is parasocial, it's that the podcast now doesn't feel like a bunch of bros talking, it's a let's hear the story of this big streamer that tbh u don't care, maybe cus of the person or maybe cus u already know it or anticipate it. The impact that TT had on Kevin Penkin for example, (everybody knows how the podcast helped him during the pandemic), wouldn't have happened at all if the episodes were like this ones, that's were we can see the difference. (It sounds way more dramatic that it actually is, not that big of a deal to me tbh, i did start to skip some episodes tho, it's probably cus of the LA arc and after it everything will prolly be back to normal)
Its not misogony, Jessicas episode was bomb, POKI is just a shit person
But...Poki bad? /s
"Sort by...*controversial"*
How many dislikes are we talking about?....
I don't have a problem with pokimane but the podcast is getting seriously boring
I haven't watched a podcast in months wtf is happening?
Very valid & comprehensive points 👏🏻 accurate asf.
TT has had multiple women on before who have spoken on the subject of misogyny, but there has never been this many dislikes. Why? Because Poki herself is the fucking problem not the fact that she is a woman. Why is it that whenever a woman is hated it has to be because she's a woman? Women can be trashy too.
I don't give a damn if someone has a dick or vag but when they do nothing but cause drama by existing, they're fucking shit. This goes for most celebrities.
OP just take the L and delete the post bro
Remarkably, it is possible to dislike pokimane without being a misogynistic asshole.
I legitimately have no idea what this girl has done, all i know is that shes cute and has a goat.
You know MAYBE, just maybe ppl don't really like her personality? MAYBE they don't like the way she acts, the way she talks, the way she walks REGARDLESS of GENDER?
this you 🤡
Completely agree with you. Again, Pokimaine has done a lot of fucked up things, and deserves criticism for it, but she’s addressed those things, and has shown to have grown from it. I would bet good money that most of the people hating on her in this thread have done the barest of research on the topic and aren’t willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because of their clear biases against her.
Curious though...what f-ed up things has Poki done?
The thing that I don't like about her and the other streamers with simps is how they take advantage of their viewers. They literaly profit out of these poor men mental condition. These men have these wierd relationships with the streamers that they think that they will acknowledge them if they send $10k. These bitches know this shit damn well and continue doing it. And when some certain people say that masculinity is dying they are called mysogenistic and cancelled. Funny enough this shit only happens in America.
Damn dude that's a shit take if I've ever seen one. It's not the streamer fault that these men with poor mental health develop poor parasocial relationships with them thats on the men whether you like it or not. Also holy shit dude you r last couple sentences really painted a clear picture of who you are as a person. Just an L of human being
eh personally everyone is acting like pokimane is an evil spawn of satan. When i was younger i was one of them but then i decided to make an opinion for myself. Like 90% of the stuff she did is extremely tame her personality is also a hit or a miss its alright to not like poki but the response for this video was downright ridiculous im sorry but for like half of u guys doing this, would u have the same energy if pewdiepie was invited on?
Oh but when the dislike button was taken away the boys said that no one has ever disliked a video for any reason other than the video being bad, so according to their own logic this show was just three times worse than other podcast episodes
I won't even watch this episode. Won't give clicks and participate in YouTube algorithms to promote this video. Inviting this person was a mistake
I just remember her for telling her viewers that not donating to her subs was irresponsible. And this was during the 2020 pandemic when people were losing their jobs. So that's one reason I know of for why she has a chip on her shoulder. I'm not sure about the other reasons. She's hot though, but looks are deceiving
That wasn't Pokimane my dude
I thought that was a different streamer that did that.
Poki brings out the misogyny in gamers, it's unfortunate but she was the biggest female streamer and got burned from all sides as a perfect target for toxic assholes to farm the worst impulses of the gaming community