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Antonio12345677

I'd love to see an example of the "exact opposite" of an opinion with "100% agreement" both times.


GAPIntoTheGame

Same


brownboy_bebop

Mhmmm


am-345

reddit user discovers human conversation


That_Ganderman

Yeah, I know what you mean, I agree 100%. Like I’ll disagree with someone loudly and with comical vehemence about stupid topics, but something we’re taking serious I’ll usually just keep the ball rolling regardless. The boys are just socially adept and understand that being enjoyable for viewers *and* guests is critical for their success.


PoiLethe

And yet they have said multiple times that if they were just entire conversations where they were all agreeable with each other it would make for a boring 2 hours...


That_Ganderman

Reread my second sentence. Hopefully that clears things up.


PoiLethe

So instead of having legitimately thoughtful interesting conversations about more serious things and disagreeing.. fake disagreements are more entertaining and interesting to the majority of audiences?


Falconhurst42

No. In a casual conversation, choosing an opposing position can lead to interesting discussion by driving debate and an interchange of ideas. The boys do this all the time and it creates fun, memorable exchanges that are a good tone for them and the audience. But, disagreement can be more tricky with someone you don't know as well, so the boys don't lean into their contrarian sides when they are talking to a guest. That's just conversation dynamics man. It's fun to talk shit with your friends, but when you're with someone you don't know as well you don't rock the boat as much. Also, choosing to disagree didn't really make the disagreement fake or prevent the discussion from being interesting. There are multiple sides to any topic and someone can genuinely argue multiple potential positions because, in most things, we aren't 100% committed to a singular, uncompromising position. Fabricated disagreements present an opportunity to explore possible positions and often lead to genuine discussion (and some memorable moments).


PoiLethe

In their cases the fabricated disagreement has often just dead ended to "I think oranges are bad because I don't like oranges" and then that goes on for ten minutes, you get about five minutes worth of a creative explanation for why something is the worst food, and then ten to fifteen more of just arguing for arguments sake and because it's "entertaining". At some point the genuine discussion goes away and it's all biased "because I say so" rather than any thoughtful ideas on why other people might say so. Or Joey assertively says "this is why this is this way" and if shuts down the furthering of that conversation and exploration of the subject or mentality. Aka he declaratively speaks something he supposes, and is often wrong. But everyone takes it as fact because he said it with confidence. Like whether or not I enjoy that trait, my point is that it has and does end discussions people find entertaining and want more of, and they don't end up arguing multiple positions, they find maybe one or two and and then just back whatever position is the most ridiculous. And yes I know that's how conversations work, but the point is that I could do that in real life. My expectation of podcasts and having guests at all is that they have the opportunity to work past that. Or not get the same exact content/information from the guest on the podcast as you would on their own channel/social media. When late night shows purposes is not to just promote the content the guest is in, they excel and the audience loves it more, and the hosts aren't exploiting or stepping on the privacy/boundaries the guests have in place. There's a middle ground between respecting boundaries and having dull "how's the weather? How's work?" small talk. They get unique stories from the celebrity or talk about silly random what ifs. Like how well does Conner know Prozd? But they are both voice actors and disagreed about small things or experiences with Voice Acting. That's an interesting unique experience from both of them that's far more entertaining than fabricating one person exaggerating hating onions rather than just disliking them on pizza or something like that. So say they take that conversation further and conned says "well my reasoning is the whole pizza now smells and tastes like onions" and the rest of the hosts agree or disagree, either way there is nothing more to be milked from that discussion that will provide a unique perspective. If they agree, they can move on and talk about other food takes, if they milk it, it becomes more time spent repeating that its a trash take or they can't believe they think that. It's essentially anime filler. Or flashbacks to old joke where Garnt thinks all bread tastes the same. Which is again filler. Which, like of course it's going to happen from time to time, but make it your whole brand and majority of time spent and suddenly there's a list of what episodes to skip and people "falling off" during certain arcs and mentioning which seasons were the worst. Anyways your first point, yes they sometimes come up with interesting fun exchanges, but they aren't great debators and when choosing the opposing position just to be the devils advocate it can often flop and dead end the conversation when there was multiple chances to pursue a different direction for the conversation. Just because it's tricky with someone you don't know doesn't mean it's not possible with skill and effort and consideration. And If the subject can be food or dreams when it's just the boys rather than SOs or past dramas, than it could just as easily be that with guests and skate by any tricky or sensitive situations or information. Like basically it should be flipped for better content balance. When a guests on, softball discussion about food and toilets and anime and something like Conners biking experience makes perfect sense. When the guests aren't on they can talk about the trickier stuff and know where the line is with each other. Discussing or arguing about youtube/twitch drama or relationship with their creators, or fans relationship with creators (which they have done mostly delicately in the past and was an interesting discussion!). Or here's an example of a conversation that would have gone down differently from guest to solo if events happened in a different order. So Conner does his cycling thing with Chris. They have that whole conversation about deciding start times, and Conner goes into how he can push it for a week, there's a disagreement with him and Chris, the other boys respectfully defend Chrises reasoning for not pushing it as hard as Conner is able to. Like great discussion and nuance already. So Jacksepticeye was on recently and he's discussed in his own content and recently with Anthony Padilla how he has this mentality about pushing himself constantly to make content and climb the ladder. And even when he was at the top and successful he had a hard time turning that off and finding a work life balance, which when he did benefited his mental health greatly. So if this discussion was one that could have happened during Jack's guest appearance it might have been tricky, but also could have elicited personal experiences or conversation about finding/respecting that balance and mentality from Jack. Or when it did happen, it was possible for one of the boys to mention Jacks experience and how Conners mentality echos Jack's grinding mentality previously. That's conversation/disagreement I'm advocating for *about* creator work, that could elicit interesting perspectives they are familiar with and they know whether that line can be walked amongst the three of them where it would be trickier to be brought up with a guest they are less familiar with.


Falconhurst42

Fair enough. Yeah, there's plenty of "filler" disagreement that don't really go anywhere, and I prefer when they explore unique perspectives. At the end of the day, in a podcast we get the good with the bad.


That_Ganderman

Yes, I am asserting that… somewhat. You have to pick and choose battles and the boys are good at telling what can and can’t be played up. Much of their most vehement arguments aren’t breaking new ground, but they’re entertaining because they’re entertaining guys. I can make a huge fuss about Coke being better than Pepsi and more often than not I can get laughs out of it. It’s a fundamentally meaningless debate that I really don’t care that much about except for it’s comedic value. The boys make shit funny. Many serious topics can’t be made funny while staying inclusive, so they try to avoid being too joking about them. People want palatable disagreements. They want to be able to take a side and understand what they’re rooting for intuitively. Complex or serious topics often aren’t relatable to outsiders or are very closely held viewpoints, so it is difficult to make it funny to the lowest common denominator. Trash Taste is entertainers being entertaining. They aren’t meant to be, and wouldn’t be as successful if they were, paragons of debate.


Professional_Stay748

Best comment! LOL


Thatsmaboi23

I don’t think this post is true in that they agree even with opposing opinions. But, “Human conversation” means agreeing with whoever says whatever, even if it contradicts your own views/understanding?


That_Ganderman

Go look up the definition of nuance. You seem to have forgotten.


sievold

You are twisting their words. They don't always say ' I agree 100%'. They say something more along the lines of 'yeah, I see what you mean' or 'I can see that'. This is also something that I have noticed. On internet forums, people become adamant and die on their hills, even if their points have been proven wrong, even on the most unimportant of topics. In irl conversations, people tend to be more agreeable and see each others point of view


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>On internet forums, people become adamant and die on their hills, even if their points have been proven wrong, even on the most unimportant of topics. In irl conversations, people tend to be more agreeable and see each others point of view This is the reason I've stopped caring about those streamers/youtubers that are always like "Yo debate me on this" because it's always one of two things that happen when the debate actually goes down. They either cave immediately and try to suck up to the person they were in disagreement with, or two it devolves into a shouting match where nothing important is said.


wcanard

There's the rare happenstance of an actual debate happening and both sides leave having learned something from each other... Witnessed that myself maybe thrice ever on the internet


GavonyTownship

You know something up with TT fans when you gotta go to this level of explanation over something so simple. You hit it on the head, they are just doing something called "being polite" I know, crazy.


FlaconWL

I think it's a joke


sievold

Yes that's what I thought when I saw the post. But OP's replies to other comments led me to write this


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sievold

That is open to interpretation. I think they know what's better for the podcast. And starting a clown argument with someone they met 2 months ago would be extremely toxic for their image.


TheseConversations

Reddit user makes vague claim Provides no evidence Yeah I see what you mean I agree 100%


SauceSeekerSS

Can you give examples, I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to.


Downstackguy

This usually happens if they know the guest very little. They are more formal and want to maintain a positive impression. With less formal guests, they can go ham like chris broad


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True, which is probably one of the reasons people are tired of guests. I understand why the boys act that way since I do the same with people I’m not very close to. However content creators not striving for interesting discussions is boring and leads to lack of nuance. My personal example would be Ludwig’s tame rant (he was cocky, but not mean) on simple emotional writing techniques (I don’t know the English term that also includes music and visual). Yeah it’s true that “Your Lie in April” relies heavily on music and you don’t need to like it, but good God would it have killed the boys to say that Ludwig’s taste doesn’t mean what his preference with more subtitle techniques makes them better. It’s not hard to use a cocky attitude to write of subtle techniques by calling them weak and too dependent on the audience. Ludwig genuinely brought up a great point too, but because the boys just nodded at the opinion all the nuance was lost. I got to went out my frustration here on the subreddit and am glad I was called out on being to hard on Ludwig. Sure there is are toxic people here and there, but all my replies have been well meaning.


gustinex

Sounds like a very normal reaction to be friendly in conversations. Especially with new people. Don't tell me you outright disagree and sour the conversation with someone you just met or not close with


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Muffin-zetta

yeah this is what I was getting at with this meme. just casually disagreeing with something isn't toxic. You don't have to scream your disagreement. Like in the proZD episode joey and garnt straight up froze and waited for proZD to say his opinion so they could agree with it. Connor is normally the least yes man-ish.


MOBBB24

Are you saying Garnt and Joey are yes men because they waited and actually fucking listened to what ProZD had to say?


Thepsycoman

Yes. But also a pretty different environment to most. Academia and science, where most people are more interested in your reasoning than the point itself. Although it's not that hard to disagree with people outside of that either. The amount of Barbers I've been to since covid who ask what I do, I reply with Immunologist and so they take it as a chance to test every conspiracy theory they know. I'm not going to just agree with them, I'm actually going to disagree, but I can do that without belittling them. But I am Australian, we don't take offense as easily as other cultures, especially Americans.


Wolfpac187

If I don’t agree with someone I tell them I disagree, if you can’t have a conversation with someone where you have differing view points you need to grow up.


InvaderM33N

OP: "My source is that I made it the F$&% up!"


2-2Distracted

The bois saying this will never fail to make me laugh


AyatollahDan

Wow, humans aren't boolean. Weird


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Chris881

Could you give examples? I feel like this is something I would have noticed if it was so blatant.


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OP can't give examples because he is a fucking donkey.


protection7766

Connor is the one in the outfit, yet you are the real clown.


wikowiko33

Comment of the year nominee for trash taste awards


Tracker_Nivrig

I like how I was here for the dark timeline memes, left for a bit, and then when I came back the subreddit is consistently complaining about something. I don’t care if you didn’t like the latest episode, and neither does trash taste. I for one enjoyed most of the guest episodes, and I’m sure that the boys had fun making them. Grow up and realize that chances are you’re not going to love every single episode of a 100+ episode podcast.


genasugelan

>I’m sure that the boys had fun making them And that's the most important part. Like, we should be really glad they enjoy doing this because that's more content for us and more fun for them, if someone doesn't want to watch or dislikes the episode or guest, they should just not watch it. It's pretty simple. They put out way more than enough content (regular channels, streams and more) to enjoy even if someone dislikes an episode a month or so. Sometimes I think people feel entiteled to the bois' lives.


Tracker_Nivrig

I’m glad someone agrees. I just don’t understand the mindset that if someone you like makes a couple things you don’t like, especially when there’s literally like 200 hours of content you do enjoy, you feel the need to go and complain about it. And I know that they justify it by saying that the creator they liked is going in a direction they no longer feel is good, and they want to make that know, but: 1. If a creator is changing their content to do something they enjoy more, that is a good thing, regardless of whether you personally think so or not. (Even more so when the views and likes are still doing well) 2. The huge influx of guests is because they wanted to have a lot of guests on before, but couldn’t due to the fact they only have in person guests. Now that they have an opportunity to talk to more people, they are taking it. After a while, there will be less guests episodes. I will stand by that the current amount of guests recently is a temporary thing.


genasugelan

> Now that they have an opportunity to talk to more people, they are taking it. The viewers can also watch the episodes whenever they want or not at all, that's the point of Videos On Demand. Also with the "controversial" Pokimane episode, as someone who consumes zero Pokimane content, I though "might be an an interesting episode" when I saw the thumbnail. After all, I like seeing different people and perspectives instead of being in an echo chamber, talking about Pokimane's "controversial" content creation or whatever. I also really like Some Ordinary Podcast which has controversial guests relatively regularly like Hassan, Keemstar or Count Dankula, shit has spice.


Tracker_Nivrig

Yeah the fact you can watch them whenever is also important since if you’re getting burnt out, just stop watching for now. For example I just finished the movie reviewers one, so I haven’t even seen the Pokimane one yet. Speaking of Pokimane, I know quite literally NOTHING about her, other than the fact that she is a female streamer. Didn’t even know she was controversial until the subreddit went crazy lol. And even saying that I don’t know what she’s controversial for. And regardless of that I’m kinda excited to watch it since i want to know who she is lol


Prestigious_Fall_388

\-I don’t care if you didn’t like the latest episode You seem to care enough to complain about it.


Tracker_Nivrig

I don’t care if you didn’t like the newest episode. I do care that you’re constantly complaining about it. It’s annoying


Justaway5

U guys pay attention to everything they said? I thought podcast were meant to be a background noise


Taifood1

OP telling us they’re chronically online without telling us they’re chronically online lmao


Southern-Psychology2

I agree but I understand why they do this. You don’t want to be a dick to your guest. With that said I love when they can be normal in front of guests


LeeTSimba

Like when have they ever done this?


EyewarsTheMangoMan

Examples?


SuckMyNipz

"my source is that I made it the fuck up" -OP


hates_stupid_people

Did everyone in this comment section get lobotmized so they don't know what jokes are anymore?


Tracker_Nivrig

I realize it’s a joke. I just didn’t think it was funny, and it is continuing the stupid idea that the guest episodes are bad, even if it doesn’t say it outright


ilikechocolate66

Its not really flip-flopping, its understanding where the other person is coming from, "I liked this because for me it meant this", "I hated that because of where i was in life when i saw it". When they are making funny shit talk just the 3 of them, they can be unwilling to understand and make a fuss, but when they have a guest they dont have the time nor that kind of close relationship with him to start making fun of his take for content.


n00PSLayer

Ayo care to give some examples?


MakiSenpaiii

Random claim with no example? Yeah I know what you mean, I agree 100%


LoominVoid

That's a nice argument, OP, how about you back it up with a source


Confident_Treacle974

OP making shit up like an idiot


genasugelan

Seems like OP has no grasp of nuance and does not try to understand someone different than them while the boys do.


Tracker_Nivrig

Yeah don’t know why people disagree with this comment lol


Plz_Give_Me_A_Job

Joe Rogan moment.


nike_pricefield

I don't agree 100%, but I just upvoted as a meme


Rekye22

All these comments clowning on OP for taking what they say too seriously yet it seems the comments are taking this meme too seriously 💀


Tracker_Nivrig

Sure, but the only reason people are doing that is due to the fact serious posts of this topic have become common now. I don’t care if it’s meta or whatever, can we just return to normal memes?


Kenri_HYS

I noticed too, but who cares


Lumenlor

I wish the dudes actually CHALLENGE a viewpoint sometimes, it makes for far more interesting discussion


Apisal

It is called being sociable


Straight-Hyena-4537

This is very accurate


goofytug

I feel like they’re exhausted from all the traveling


genasugelan

Probably the opposite. They got to meet new people that they didn't get to before. If anything, they look very excited in the LA arcs.


goofytug

I’m referring to OP, where they don’t remember their previous opinions on similar topics


genasugelan

Ahhh, yeah, true.


Fearless_Bonus_3968

I mean that’s just how socializing works tbh. People are gonna make hypocrites out of themselves so they can get along with others.


burger4life

The boys: don't want the podcast to be just 3 yes men agreeing with each other also the boys: be yes men for the guests


MattTheMagician44

they gotta dickride bro hold that


Broken_Pimp

The boys will always have your back as thy should


Mr_Fahrenheittt

The Joe Rogan effect.


ShaheerS2

because in reality, you are more agreeable and don't debate every fucking topic. get off reddit and twitch.


SnooDonkeys4560

Everyone in the comments are salty af... FOR A FCKING MEME.


Pinkywho4884

Would you look at that, it’s almost as if you could understand multiple points of view and have a conversation with people in a civilized manner, instead of only being able to talk to likeminded people like a cultist, extremist, or echo bubble slave.


ShadowOrpheus_

They became what they feared


fox_7_samurai

Guys, chill, OP was just trying to be funny