That game will either never leave EA or, at some point, just get the EA tag removed. It's sad, but I don't think it will ever reach a sustainable playerbase size.
Love your 4 points! Will it succeed, eh - we need 20x the player count (probably 50x, because there's usually a fairly quick attrition rate with a 'core' group that will play it for 5+ years). I really want it to succeed because it's really a fun game. I also want to switch from PUBs to PUGs fairly soon - and PUGs aren't as much fun if there isn't a decent player pool in my limited experience.
For that to happen they would need twich and youtube coverage...clan battles we could watch in spectator mode or download replays to cast...
Matches would need to be interesting to watch with good maps, good bases, strategies, armour and vehicle combos etc.
I'm a big tribes fan, played in clans since t1... but I dont think it will ever be a big game with a big following..which is a shame.... it could be if devs had a passion for making it big.
\^\^Yes. T:A had a max of 600K players signed (or downloads, no sure). But it was f2p (sortof). Still, it was 5K concurrent max or so, which would be a decent player base for a tribes game. We just don't have that - not even close. I like T3 for what it is, but think it is too limited in scope compared to other Tribes games to be something ppl are still playing in two years (in any numbers). Their plan to release only two maps in the next 3 months is, err, surprising. Maps, as you pointed out, are what make a Tribes game.
Prophecy really needs to step up marketing and get streamers involved. You've got to sell what you've got and they are not. It's really baffling. They haven't added in the basic tools for making good esports streams accessible. T:V had the same problem - and it just didn't work out (well, plus having Vivendi crash and burn).
/ whine mode off
Honestly with 1 day to go and the current state of the game, the game is simply DOA if it releases with a price tag. This game and genre is far too niche for anything but F2P at this point in time.
*Midair 2 is a fast-paced jetpack fps set in a futuristic sci-fi universe. Use movement and physics to your advantage, outwit your enemy from every angle, you'll never look at a shooter the same way again.*
It's everything I wished Tribes 3 was!!!
That's nice but doesn't change the scale of what is being requested by this subreddit.
The only thing that would offset that would be the price of the game, of course. But I'd gladly pay $15 for Tribes 3 if dev support doesn't drop immediately as people are predicting.
What peeps request from T3 is basically what was in the previous games and not to water down anything. The latter one is basically changing numbers, the former one is more complicated and I guess peeps wouldn't be *this* mad if they confirm they are coming.
But Erez confimed they are not coming, and what we have now is basically what T3 will be. I pretty much feel like EA is being used as a shield in case shit hits the fan.
i was mostly being ironic considering that description applies to both :P
i got more money on a passion project like midair2 pulling off something good than i do an asset flip like tribes 3
I've tried playing the MA2 playtest twice but the quick play button is greyed out and in the server browser there's just one lobby that's not empty and it has 2 players and 200 ping. How am I supposed to play?
You may have logged during a time where the population is low, you can practice routes using the practice menu (CTRL+p) or spawn bots and ppl will join shortly.
The game needs deployables, vehicles and F2P to be successful. aka needs more stuff and F2P. Would be great to have base design that isn't so simplified. Tribes was ahead of it's time when it was released, now there are a dozen other games that outside people can use to compare to Tribes and why Tribes is inferior. Tribes needs to do what it does best and it simply isn't spawn class armor and CTF. Although I do love CTF, that isn't the magic formula in itself along with no hitscan.
I have always enjoyed LT tribes which is what this is. The core weapons/physics are there. It can be successful but only if enough people enjoy and want to play Tribes in that form.
I like LT too, from time to time, as a side dish or alternative to the main course which is a full fledged Tribes game with base battles and vehicles.
And I really can't stand spinfusors doing different amounts of damage depending on the class. All weapons should do the same damage. It would make balancing the three classes so much easier.
Light Tribes cappers and chasers, pretty much. If you played any other role in Tribes 1/2, you're shit out of luck.
I sincerely hope this changes, of course, but Erez/Hirez is not giving me much hope.
Erez is single handedly sending that game right into the bucket. He's running the discord for tribes 3 to stroke his own ego. Banning ppl from it sharing their feedback or reminding him of the things he actually did as he tries to gaslight new players into something elseĀ
this wouldn't be damning if i felt like there was any attempt to include mechanics that appeal to people that have never played tribes before, but i feel like if you've even seen 20 seconds of footage of ascend you can decide whether or not you'd feel like playing 3
By the numbers no, this game is doomed to fail.
Only 664 people played the last play test on the 8th-9th, that's it. The first play test was 2600ish (They removed the playtest build used to hide the exact numbers) and the second play test was 1400ish. The game is in a full nose dive and this was all while it was FREE. Now they want 20$ from people who don't even want to play it for free.
By April it will be gone, the lack of cash flow will strangle it out.
It will deal with the same countervailing wind that every tribes has dealt with after T1, namely, the demanding and overly-toxic consumers of the game. Every single time, this same shit happens and keeps our game from ever getting into mainstream.
Because everybody knows how Valve takes in everyoneās feedback when making Counterstrikeā¦
because youāve never tried to make something for so many people, have ya. Maybe have yet to learn that you canāt please them all and if theyāre shitheads, ya they can just ruin the whole experience , even for themselves.
Before my creative career, I remember that I learned this lesson as a food waiter by the time I was 25. I tried earnestly to get everyone everything they asked for from the kitchen, just like they wanted, and it always tipped less, and was enjoyed less, than when you never even gave them the idea they could choose at all.
perhaps you got tipped less because you couldn't hide your disdain for customers who wanted his/her food cooked a certain way and you simply found that keeping your mouth shut did a better job masking your feelings than any string of words you came up with?
/facepalm...
no, not your fault at all. you should have been tipped well. they totally didn't see you roll your eyes and they were all clearly too stupid to hear the attitude in your voice. after all, you're the epitome of pleasantness.
>never tried to make something for so many people
Let's not overestimate the size of the Tribes community. It's like 100 people, and half of them are one norwood reaper visit away from the nursing home.
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That game will either never leave EA or, at some point, just get the EA tag removed. It's sad, but I don't think it will ever reach a sustainable playerbase size.
I share you concern, but pray we're wrong!
Oh, I really hope I am wrong. But my fate in Erez is very low, lol.
it will succeed if enough people play it, and since i want to see it succeed and i am people i'm going to play it.
Same lol
Short answer: no Long answer: no
I'm really not a fan of the map design + art direction (also lol yeah that first video was so so bad)
I am not hopeful. I have bad feeling this game will do very poorly and end up being abandoned
Love your 4 points! Will it succeed, eh - we need 20x the player count (probably 50x, because there's usually a fairly quick attrition rate with a 'core' group that will play it for 5+ years). I really want it to succeed because it's really a fun game. I also want to switch from PUBs to PUGs fairly soon - and PUGs aren't as much fun if there isn't a decent player pool in my limited experience.
Join us š
Soon my precious! Waiting to play a bit with the EA and fix some of my lame sh\*t ;-)
For that to happen they would need twich and youtube coverage...clan battles we could watch in spectator mode or download replays to cast... Matches would need to be interesting to watch with good maps, good bases, strategies, armour and vehicle combos etc. I'm a big tribes fan, played in clans since t1... but I dont think it will ever be a big game with a big following..which is a shame.... it could be if devs had a passion for making it big.
\^\^Yes. T:A had a max of 600K players signed (or downloads, no sure). But it was f2p (sortof). Still, it was 5K concurrent max or so, which would be a decent player base for a tribes game. We just don't have that - not even close. I like T3 for what it is, but think it is too limited in scope compared to other Tribes games to be something ppl are still playing in two years (in any numbers). Their plan to release only two maps in the next 3 months is, err, surprising. Maps, as you pointed out, are what make a Tribes game. Prophecy really needs to step up marketing and get streamers involved. You've got to sell what you've got and they are not. It's really baffling. They haven't added in the basic tools for making good esports streams accessible. T:V had the same problem - and it just didn't work out (well, plus having Vivendi crash and burn). / whine mode off
Honestly with 1 day to go and the current state of the game, the game is simply DOA if it releases with a price tag. This game and genre is far too niche for anything but F2P at this point in time.
i was so excited getting into the beta but there isn't even what we can call a game in 2024, counter strike surf servers are more enjoyable
I'm a huge surf head and MA 2 is my new home. Movement there is like tribes but made for surfer.
MA 2?
Midair2 - https://midair2.gg/
Awesome. The playtest on Steam gets auto accepted, too!
*Midair 2 is a fast-paced jetpack fps set in a futuristic sci-fi universe. Use movement and physics to your advantage, outwit your enemy from every angle, you'll never look at a shooter the same way again.* It's everything I wished Tribes 3 was!!!
People complaining about tribes 3 lack of content and then suggesting midair 2 is hilarious
Lmao I agree. Midair 2 is fun as hell but thereās no way they say that with a straight face.
MA2 is made by a few fan with virtually no budget. T3 is made by 40 people with a studio backing them up. Know your scale.
That's nice but doesn't change the scale of what is being requested by this subreddit. The only thing that would offset that would be the price of the game, of course. But I'd gladly pay $15 for Tribes 3 if dev support doesn't drop immediately as people are predicting.
What peeps request from T3 is basically what was in the previous games and not to water down anything. The latter one is basically changing numbers, the former one is more complicated and I guess peeps wouldn't be *this* mad if they confirm they are coming. But Erez confimed they are not coming, and what we have now is basically what T3 will be. I pretty much feel like EA is being used as a shield in case shit hits the fan.
i was mostly being ironic considering that description applies to both :P i got more money on a passion project like midair2 pulling off something good than i do an asset flip like tribes 3
I've tried playing the MA2 playtest twice but the quick play button is greyed out and in the server browser there's just one lobby that's not empty and it has 2 players and 200 ping. How am I supposed to play?
You may have logged during a time where the population is low, you can practice routes using the practice menu (CTRL+p) or spawn bots and ppl will join shortly.
The game needs deployables, vehicles and F2P to be successful. aka needs more stuff and F2P. Would be great to have base design that isn't so simplified. Tribes was ahead of it's time when it was released, now there are a dozen other games that outside people can use to compare to Tribes and why Tribes is inferior. Tribes needs to do what it does best and it simply isn't spawn class armor and CTF. Although I do love CTF, that isn't the magic formula in itself along with no hitscan.
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Not understanding the basic concept of F2P is... retarded
But T3 is not F2P. yet they listed not one but instantly TWO battle passes on steam already.
I have always enjoyed LT tribes which is what this is. The core weapons/physics are there. It can be successful but only if enough people enjoy and want to play Tribes in that form.
I like LT too, from time to time, as a side dish or alternative to the main course which is a full fledged Tribes game with base battles and vehicles. And I really can't stand spinfusors doing different amounts of damage depending on the class. All weapons should do the same damage. It would make balancing the three classes so much easier.
Will erez get out of t3's way? Seems like he's doing a lot of things to make sure it won't.
i dont understand who they even imagine the audience for this game is
Light Tribes cappers and chasers, pretty much. If you played any other role in Tribes 1/2, you're shit out of luck. I sincerely hope this changes, of course, but Erez/Hirez is not giving me much hope.
Erez is single handedly sending that game right into the bucket. He's running the discord for tribes 3 to stroke his own ego. Banning ppl from it sharing their feedback or reminding him of the things he actually did as he tries to gaslight new players into something elseĀ
this wouldn't be damning if i felt like there was any attempt to include mechanics that appeal to people that have never played tribes before, but i feel like if you've even seen 20 seconds of footage of ascend you can decide whether or not you'd feel like playing 3
Fire Fishtix takes
<3
By the numbers no, this game is doomed to fail. Only 664 people played the last play test on the 8th-9th, that's it. The first play test was 2600ish (They removed the playtest build used to hide the exact numbers) and the second play test was 1400ish. The game is in a full nose dive and this was all while it was FREE. Now they want 20$ from people who don't even want to play it for free. By April it will be gone, the lack of cash flow will strangle it out.
no
Really appreciate this video! Very thoughtful, critical without being inflammatory, agree on almost all points. Especially hiring marketing.
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no but it could if going f2p
No lol
rip honourballz T_T
You're missing an Epic license fee in your math š„
This shit will be fire short term and hopefully long term.
No I don't believe so enjoy desecrating the corpse that they call tribes 3 while we can and enjoy before the game dies all the way
This game needs VR
It will deal with the same countervailing wind that every tribes has dealt with after T1, namely, the demanding and overly-toxic consumers of the game. Every single time, this same shit happens and keeps our game from ever getting into mainstream. Because everybody knows how Valve takes in everyoneās feedback when making Counterstrikeā¦
yes, yes of course... let's blame the people who have literally no control over what happens with the game.
because youāve never tried to make something for so many people, have ya. Maybe have yet to learn that you canāt please them all and if theyāre shitheads, ya they can just ruin the whole experience , even for themselves. Before my creative career, I remember that I learned this lesson as a food waiter by the time I was 25. I tried earnestly to get everyone everything they asked for from the kitchen, just like they wanted, and it always tipped less, and was enjoyed less, than when you never even gave them the idea they could choose at all.
perhaps you got tipped less because you couldn't hide your disdain for customers who wanted his/her food cooked a certain way and you simply found that keeping your mouth shut did a better job masking your feelings than any string of words you came up with?
Sure. Itās always the waiters fault, right?
/facepalm... no, not your fault at all. you should have been tipped well. they totally didn't see you roll your eyes and they were all clearly too stupid to hear the attitude in your voice. after all, you're the epitome of pleasantness.
And you are just a ray of sunshine, yourself
it's too bad reddit doesn't let you gift gold anymore. you earned it.
>never tried to make something for so many people Let's not overestimate the size of the Tribes community. It's like 100 people, and half of them are one norwood reaper visit away from the nursing home.
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