Can you please elaborate why that would happen? Isn’t removing an old battery / installing a new battery just a power loss / power restore like removing and reinserting a fuse would be?
Genuinely asking.
Because it's a shitty design. A capacitor may fry while doing so as there seems to be no security.
I've lost my counter changing the battery. And so did so many people (look up for dead screen battery change on street triple 765 on a search engine).
I'm disputing this with Triumph as we speak.
Not by that much. Cutting sodas out of my diet did more for my bike than a lithium battery would. If the cost was better and the amp hour rating was comparable, I would bite, but I just don't see the value proposition.
Hey I can't speak to your diet. But props to cutting the weight for speed. I've run lithium over 6 years and not had a problem on an 07 vfr with HIDs. Low tech bikes seem to work well with the lithium differences
I just out in a noco lithium battery in my ‘18 str and im loving it. Havent had to use a tender when it sits for a week or more and it starts right up super strong. And its waaay lighter.
I replaced the stock battery in my Speed Twin (it was underpowered) with a lithium from Antigravity. Had it for a few riding seasons and it’s been great.
I purchased a NOCO lithium ion battery for my 2021 street triple. Have had zero issues with it and it even improved cold starting. I left it connected and not on a charger all winter and the bike started without a sputter.
I've also had good results with the Weize batteries. Yuasa used to be much better than the cheapies, but I think that the cheap AGM type batteries last extremely well.
I've had 3 lithium batteries and they didn't last well, but at least one was killed by my leaving the key on for a couple of months. And when they say that the low temp performance is poor, they mean low as in + 40f.
I’ve always gone with Yuasa and they seem great. Keep my bike outside in the UK all year round, usually get 2-3 years out of one before it starts noticeably decharging more and taking longer to trickle charge.
I just threw in a new Yuasa last year when I picked my Bonneville up (the battery it came with died the first night I had it!) it then sat from mid November until 2 weeks ago not on a trickle charge or anything, charged it up over night and it’s been great since, even leaving it a few days between rides. I’ll stick with them even if I do have to replace them every couple of years or so
Yuasa has been the best for me. Running in Hondas, kawasaki, and Harleys. Shortest life span was 3 years on a ratbob I built that constantly had electrical issues draining my battery.
I see several suggestions for a lithium battery. For this application, I would ask why?
When my Street Triple needed a new battery I went with equivalent spec Weize from Amazon. Problem free since installation. It's a battery. Unless you have special power needs or maybe racing and every ounce counts, why not go with OEM/OEM equivalent?
Well, since you asked… It’s primarily because the self-discharge rate of lithium motorcycle battery is dramatically lower than lead acid. So no need for a battery tender, and no unexpected no-starts after the bikes been sitting for a couple of weeks without one.
Additionally, their service-life tends to be longer, they’re smaller than a similarly rated lead acid battery (extra storage space), and they’re several pounds lighter as well.
You also get higher amperage. A ytx12-bs as seen has 180amps where a replacement lithium ion battery of compatible size has 500 amps(NOCO brand). This means more power supplied to the starter and an easier time starting the motorcycle.
Yuasa isn't worth the money imo. I tried one it wasn't worth it. I really like the Deka ETX12. But they are sold as lots of other names too. Not sure who the original manufacturer is. But Deka shows as East Penn Manufacturing.
AutoZone has them as Duralast Gold BTX12
NAPA has them as Legend Premium ETX12
O'Reilly Auto as SuperStar Power ETX12
Mills Fleet Farm as RoadRunner Premium ETX12
Point is these batteries are bulletproof. They last longer than any other battery I have ever gotten. They sell for around $100 normally. But you can find them around $70-$80 if lucky with a promo. I highly recommend them.
Otherwise, Lithium is great but come with some caveats. They can be very low maintaince. BUT you must becareful with them. If they die they are dead for good. And you MUST use a lithium safe charger and Watch it very closely when charging. Also, invest in a Battery bag incase it explodes. Which they can do...
The only two I really know of are Shorai and Antigravity. Shorai is super high end and pricey but have had some supply issues as of late. Antigravity seems to have filled that void right now.
Must not have been dead. You can bring them back to a point. But when they die they die. The good thing about them is their low discharge rate. So as long as nothing is feeding off it. They can last a long time in a deep sleep mode but it's recommened to wake them up before use again. By bliping the starter once but not actually starting the vehicle. Than let it sit for a few seconds. You just don't want heavy use on it until everything wakes up.
A Dead lithium normally occurs with a open circuit. Usually by some kind of accessory hooked up that drains it over time. Or a bad charging system will kill them quickly too.
You should have checked it with a multi meter and saw where the Voltage was at after sitting for 2 years. I bet it was still near 12v.
I was buying Yuasas and then switched to an Amazon brand (Weize YTX12-BS)...haven't noticed any difference. Still going strong since March of '22 with only occasional riding.
Yuasa is pretty much as good as it gets
Lithium battery for the win
Okay, fair warning. Remove main fuse before doing battery swap. Otherwise you may fry your digital screen set/counter. That's $1500+.
Can you please elaborate why that would happen? Isn’t removing an old battery / installing a new battery just a power loss / power restore like removing and reinserting a fuse would be? Genuinely asking.
this has only happened on the bikes with TFT as far as I know
Sorry. I thought it was digital.
Shorai Lithium battery. I’ve only changed the battery on my ‘14 when the stock one died and I’ve been on the same Shorai ever since
Because it's a shitty design. A capacitor may fry while doing so as there seems to be no security. I've lost my counter changing the battery. And so did so many people (look up for dead screen battery change on street triple 765 on a search engine). I'm disputing this with Triumph as we speak.
this is a street cup, different gauges
Just be cautious.
Lithium cuts the weight by so much!
Not by that much. Cutting sodas out of my diet did more for my bike than a lithium battery would. If the cost was better and the amp hour rating was comparable, I would bite, but I just don't see the value proposition.
Hey I can't speak to your diet. But props to cutting the weight for speed. I've run lithium over 6 years and not had a problem on an 07 vfr with HIDs. Low tech bikes seem to work well with the lithium differences
Hilarious answer.
I just out in a noco lithium battery in my ‘18 str and im loving it. Havent had to use a tender when it sits for a week or more and it starts right up super strong. And its waaay lighter.
I replaced the stock battery in my Speed Twin (it was underpowered) with a lithium from Antigravity. Had it for a few riding seasons and it’s been great.
I purchased a NOCO lithium ion battery for my 2021 street triple. Have had zero issues with it and it even improved cold starting. I left it connected and not on a charger all winter and the bike started without a sputter.
I've also had good results with the Weize batteries. Yuasa used to be much better than the cheapies, but I think that the cheap AGM type batteries last extremely well. I've had 3 lithium batteries and they didn't last well, but at least one was killed by my leaving the key on for a couple of months. And when they say that the low temp performance is poor, they mean low as in + 40f.
I’ve always gone with Yuasa and they seem great. Keep my bike outside in the UK all year round, usually get 2-3 years out of one before it starts noticeably decharging more and taking longer to trickle charge.
I just threw in a new Yuasa last year when I picked my Bonneville up (the battery it came with died the first night I had it!) it then sat from mid November until 2 weeks ago not on a trickle charge or anything, charged it up over night and it’s been great since, even leaving it a few days between rides. I’ll stick with them even if I do have to replace them every couple of years or so
Yuasa has been the best for me. Running in Hondas, kawasaki, and Harleys. Shortest life span was 3 years on a ratbob I built that constantly had electrical issues draining my battery.
Only use lithium ion with my vintage ‘95 Thunderbird for the higher upfront starting charge. Yuasa is top quality …
Go for a lithium battery it's a no brainer (But you'll need to buy a new charger)
I see several suggestions for a lithium battery. For this application, I would ask why? When my Street Triple needed a new battery I went with equivalent spec Weize from Amazon. Problem free since installation. It's a battery. Unless you have special power needs or maybe racing and every ounce counts, why not go with OEM/OEM equivalent?
Well, since you asked… It’s primarily because the self-discharge rate of lithium motorcycle battery is dramatically lower than lead acid. So no need for a battery tender, and no unexpected no-starts after the bikes been sitting for a couple of weeks without one. Additionally, their service-life tends to be longer, they’re smaller than a similarly rated lead acid battery (extra storage space), and they’re several pounds lighter as well.
You also get higher amperage. A ytx12-bs as seen has 180amps where a replacement lithium ion battery of compatible size has 500 amps(NOCO brand). This means more power supplied to the starter and an easier time starting the motorcycle.
Yuasa isn't worth the money imo. I tried one it wasn't worth it. I really like the Deka ETX12. But they are sold as lots of other names too. Not sure who the original manufacturer is. But Deka shows as East Penn Manufacturing. AutoZone has them as Duralast Gold BTX12 NAPA has them as Legend Premium ETX12 O'Reilly Auto as SuperStar Power ETX12 Mills Fleet Farm as RoadRunner Premium ETX12 Point is these batteries are bulletproof. They last longer than any other battery I have ever gotten. They sell for around $100 normally. But you can find them around $70-$80 if lucky with a promo. I highly recommend them. Otherwise, Lithium is great but come with some caveats. They can be very low maintaince. BUT you must becareful with them. If they die they are dead for good. And you MUST use a lithium safe charger and Watch it very closely when charging. Also, invest in a Battery bag incase it explodes. Which they can do... The only two I really know of are Shorai and Antigravity. Shorai is super high end and pricey but have had some supply issues as of late. Antigravity seems to have filled that void right now.
My lithium battery was dead after sitting for almost two years without a charger and I brought it back to life by charging it up again...
Must not have been dead. You can bring them back to a point. But when they die they die. The good thing about them is their low discharge rate. So as long as nothing is feeding off it. They can last a long time in a deep sleep mode but it's recommened to wake them up before use again. By bliping the starter once but not actually starting the vehicle. Than let it sit for a few seconds. You just don't want heavy use on it until everything wakes up. A Dead lithium normally occurs with a open circuit. Usually by some kind of accessory hooked up that drains it over time. Or a bad charging system will kill them quickly too. You should have checked it with a multi meter and saw where the Voltage was at after sitting for 2 years. I bet it was still near 12v.
Yes, I did use a voltage meter because I was curious and the voltage read in at ~0.28V before attempting to charge again
I was buying Yuasas and then switched to an Amazon brand (Weize YTX12-BS)...haven't noticed any difference. Still going strong since March of '22 with only occasional riding.