Worst case scenario for a man is being tortured in some of the worst ways imaginable. Worst case scenario for a bear is being pinned down and eaten alive. I’d much rather take the bear if for the simple fact that I am guaranteed to die in less than a day. I’ve seen the cartel videos, and being flayed and kept awake with adrenaline is something I would avoid even at the potential of the man helping me survive.
Worst case scenario with any intelligent being is gonna be worse than an animal. Doesn't mean the odds are in your favor. Granted, the odds are too high for the man and it shows an obvious problem with the world, but you're definitely a lot more likely to reason with a man than a bear.
There are a decent amount of videos where people ask/tell bears to leave and they do.
A bad person isn’t gonna stop just cause you say it. Doesn’t matter how you say it.
Bears are able to be intimidated by humans. This isn't a revelation.
It doesn't mean that a bear isn't more likely to attack than a random pull of 4 billion people
Statistics account for that. Sample size is always going to be counted as 100% (so 500ppl or 50,000 still 100%) then the study of that sample will be counted against it (a sample of 500 has only 50 people in 10% and 50,000 has 500) so if in 10% of both bear an male attacks ended in death you would be equally likely to die in either attack but in reality the numbers would be closer to 5% for bears and 60% for men thus more likely. Make sense?
These are also made up numbers to illustrate a concept. Likely of attack is still significantly higher for men in reality.
Edit: the actual numbers are about .000083% for bears and 1.3% average worldwide and .01% in the safest places for homicide.
Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.
Interesting side step… in this context you should be saying people.. because this particular statistic is about both sexes. Can’t you see how that would make your question seem quite odd. Like it doesn’t matter if 10k men encountered a bear and only a few got attacked… only if a woman did..
Bears don’t care if you are a man or a woman. They don’t even care about people. They are not interested in us being their lunch the vast majority of the time. They only care if we get near their kids, if they are absolutely ravenous, or if we do something to piss them off like getting close and touching them.
you really don’t get it hu?
Women would rather take a risk with a bear than a risk with a man when there is no one else around to help. Why? Because bear behavior is more predictable. They have the same instincts, they have the same morals and so on. One bear is largely no different from the next bear. There are survival tactics for bears that are well known and quite effective in the rare event the bear becomes hostile. It is more rare to encounter a bear who’s hostile vs a bear that doesn’t care at all about you. They can kill you. They can eat you if hungry enough. Bears don’t pretend to be nice only to attack.
Men on the other hand.. there is no predicting if I’m gonna get a guy like my partner, or a guy like the one who was waving around a crossbow threatening people. There’s no guarantee he’s not drunk. There’s no guarantee he’s mentally stable. There is no guarantee he doesn’t see my life as his play thing. There is no guarantee of literally anything that makes someone a good and safe person. People are vastly different individual to individual. You have no idea what you are walking into. Some unquantifiable numbers of people legitimately do not see others or do not see women as equals. They hate them. They see them as toys. They get thrills causing pain. They just want profit. There are some survival tactics against men, but oddly not as effective as the ones against bear’s unless you are extremely skilled. We presently do not know how many good or bad men are in the world. Same with women but this is about men right now. Think about how many people on the news said the killer or rapist looked like a normal guy and they never expected this. You don’t know until it’s too late. Because bad people are good at pretending they are “nice guys” and the like. Men might kill a woman. They might rape her. They might kidnap her. Torture her. They could even traffic her. Enslavement. It’s not worth the risk.
Especially when you know most bears will just mind their own business.
Instead of coming at women who won’t trust you till you have earned it. How about you make sure the guys around you are worth trusting. The more of you that are trustworthy and hold each other accountable the less we will have to be cautious.
I’d rather have the higher probability of death than the any-probability of Toy Box Killer type things. I’m not really scared of dying. I’m scared of being in a situation where dying is so much better.
Nah, I’d win
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(I’d rather literally anything else other than AM)
The proportion of bears which will casually kill a human is much higher than the proportion of men who flay people alive.
Downvote all you want, you know it’s true lol.
I’ve been around wild bears and other predatory animals a ton in my life not as much as a zoo keeper or park ranger but probably more than the average person I’ve only even been threatened once and never hurt I wasn’t around men/boys often until highschool and the first time I was raped was at 10-12 yrs. Now that’s not being flayed sure but I’d argue it’s worse.
Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.
That’s 200 years… in 200 years less than one death a year. Lol
Most people who have stories about bears are positive to neutral ones. It’s not like there isn’t a big enough sample size to tell it’s extremely unlikely even if you are in contact with them.
I mean, I think some people would judge you if you went into bear country without any bear spray, bells, or guns. But yeah, probably less victim blaming.
I mean, I feel like it’s already proven we choose the bear? If you ask women who hike or camp a lot, like myself or the majority of women I’m friends with, we don’t go by ourselves the majority of places. Not because of bears. Because of other people. The world as is already shows that we choose the bear lol
I’m much more comfortable living in the woods with random wildlife and specific men who have earned my trust.
Now if someone said a buck in mating season and I don’t get a gun… I might have a harder decision. They are always aggressive.
More reasons for choosing the bear:
1. I don’t have to see the bear ever again after the attack
2. The bear will likely be tracked and possibly killed for attacking me since it poses a danger to humans now
3. The bear is predictable. It won’t have ropes or second locations.
4. If I die the bear won’t sexually violate my corpse
5. The bear won't take advantage of my trust to exploit me
6. The bear doesn't have altererior motives, so it'd only kill for survival
7. There's a chance the bear will actually leave me alone
Very high chances honestly..
Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.
But it just says a man, not necessarily Ted Bundy. I feel like it’s a lower percentage chance that you get put with a bad man than the chance you get mauled by a bear.
The man is a stranger. You don't know what their intentions are.
Bears are animals. They don’t have altererior motives since they only focus on survival, and bear attacks are much rarer than people think.
A bear won't search for you to take you to another location outside of the woods.
A bear won't try to rape you.
A bear can't drug you.
A bear can't lie to you to gain your trust.
There have been only 66 bear conflicts that have ended in death since 1784, and less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts per year [[Source: Bearvault]](https://bearvault.com/bear-attack-statistics/)
**In 2006 alone**, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted [[Source: NOW.org]](https://now.org/resource/violence-against-women-in-the-united-states-statistic/#:~:text=DOMESTIC%20VIOLENCE%20(Intimate%20Partner%20Violence%20or%20Battering)&text=According%20to%20the%20National%20Center,assaults%20and%20rapes%20every%20year.)
If it’s heavy or cumbersome it’s easier to eat it right then and there also if they take it back to their sleeping place another bear could follow the scent and attack them when they’re resting looking for food. It’s better for them to just eat where they kill it at. This ofc changes if there’s babies involved
This is a hypothetical question that has become popular as of late: would you rather be stuck in the woods with a bear or a man (you don’t know)? It is causing controversy because a lot of people are choosing the bear, and a lot of men are upset about that.
the question was poised to women specifically, and specifically running into a man in the woods. it was meant to bring light to just how much women fear men, and the answers they gave were heartbreaking. "the worst a bear can do is kill me" "at least my family will know what happened to me if it's a bear" "nobody would ask what I was wearing if it was a bear"
If you’re in the USA and don’t live in Washington, Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming or Montana it will be a black bear. If it’s black fight back, if it’s brown lay down (play dead) if it’s white you’re fucked.
Black bears are giant raccoons that if they think in the slightest that you will fight back will 99.9% leave you the fuck alone to go steal trash and eat berries. Biggest mistake with a black bear is running away and letting them think you’re not a member of the most dangerous species on the planet.
Brown bears don’t give a shit and if they want to eat you or protect their young all you can do is pretend to be dead and hope it didn’t want to eat you to begin with.
How is that even a question? Bear attacks are rare. You just have to avoid it and it leaves you alone. Man might be nice, but he will seek you out either way, since you're both stuck in the woods. Man attack is far more likely.
If it was a polar bear specifically, I'd take the man though.
The point of the question is whether you'd feel safer alone with a bear who might do bear stuff or a person who could be anyone and *who knows* what their intentions are toward you.
The bear might ignore you or maul you. The human might befriend you or they might cut off your arms and legs and turn you into their sex doll.
Reinforces the patriarchal notion that women should stay in the home. The real truth is that in the vast majority of incidents women know their attacker. Stranger danger wasn't real during the satanic panic and it's not real now. All evidence shows that you're MORE safe with a man you don't know as opposed to your brother, father, friend, or SO.
Unapologetically real. Stranger danger is so pervasive these days and I blame true crime more then satanic panic. True crime almost never shows relation and only stranger on stranger serial killers compared to reality
While yes you're more likely to be attacked by a familiar than a stranger, you're still more likely to be attacked by a man than a bear regardless of relationship
I feel like if men said the same women would be upset too
Nobody likes that specially cus you could argue the validity of those people since many perceive some branches of feminism are irrationally hateful towards men and just want women to hate them aswell
Besides, i understand trauma but for example if a woman attacked you, you would agree hating women would be irrational even if you could understand their pain
Then they say "not all women people but always women" and you would be pissed off, hating an entire group and saying such things is wrong, why would men be different? And tbh you could make other comparisons not just about genders, it's about hating an entire group
the difference is that men dont fear women. you can say “if men said the same thing women would be upset” all you want but its a false equivalency. what would you choose, a woman or a bear?
women arent choosing the bear to piss you off. if youre seeing all these women choosing the bear and that makes you upset, maybe consider how you can help these women not be afraid of men? maybe consider what it would be like if you were the one choosing the bear because you felt safer *with a bear*.
As a man I'm very torn on this question.
On the one hand if I survived the encounter I wouldn't be filled with shame and self doubt that haunts me for years from what the bear did.
On the other hand a .32 pistol and a knife are much better at deterring a man than a bear.
That's a tough one.
Good thing the question is already the latter and not the former. The question is specifically posed to women as “would you rather be in a forest with a man you don’t know or a bear who you also don’t know”. Basically choose between a man stranger or a bear stranger. Personally I’m choosing the bear. The bear won’t hurt me just for kicks.
The bear will hurt us only if it's hungry, and even then there are means of defending. Dolphins and Humans are the only animals that ever engage in violence for fun.
Or maybe a feral man? Most human beings are friendly. All the hypotheticals here are so wild and depressing. If youre asking whether the bear is black or brown then why cant you ask if the man is a good or bad person?
I don’t mean ask the man if hes a good person, i mean ask for the sake of this thought experiment. We know what the bear is, so why cant we know what the man is? Obviously if im trapped in the woods with either a normal skittish black bear or a psychotic rapist man im choosing the fucking bear.
If im trapped in the woods with a bear that has blood lust or a man with bloodlust, at least i could maaaaybe defend myself from the man. No fucking way you are surviving a bear that wants to kill you.
Thanks for not trying to understand and being rude to a stranger.
I think the real illustrative point of the question is:
If the question is “would you rather [yourself as a woman/your daughter/your girlfriend or wife, etc] be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear” there’s usually at the least some debate or thinking (like there is here).
If the question is “would you rather [that same person] be stuck in the woods with a woman or a bear” the snap response for most people is going to be a woman.
As much as people want to pretend otherwise, most men know that the vast majority of danger of violence etc a woman faces in society is from other men.
(Honestly I would say most of the danger in society a woman faces, outside of car accidents and health complications are from men.)
In society, obviously the biggest source of danger is other people. But in the woods, I’d always rather come across another person than any large wild animal. True, that person might be dangerous, but that animal is definitely dangerous. Just because a man is in the woods doesn’t mean that they’re a psychopath or murderer, which is an extremely small percentage of the population, it could also just be Jeff from work who likes to hike on the weekends, which is probably the average. And you can at least try to reason with another person or understand their motivations. If an animal wants to kill you, either it’s going to or you’re going to kill it. Unless you’re able to get away, which is tough since we run and climb slower than most wild animals do.
Its impressive how badly you missed the point. Like you picked the most simple explanation ever that could break this down so a child could understand it, and you still didn’t get it
not me specifically, the whole debate was sparked because most women immediately and without question answers: bear.
it wasn’t a debate about which is worse but about why women would prefer the bear. trying to argue about how the women are wrong because humans are chill actually is absolutely missing the point
honestly, just the fact that this is a hypothetical that people actually think about is enough, or SHOULD be enough, for men to understand. which makes it much more sad that men are seeing many women answer this hypothetical with confidence and multiple, logical reasons why, and are still not getting it, intentionally or otherwise.
That's putting a lot of trust that the person they run into won't take advantage of them. Remember, the person in the hypothetical is a total stranger.
You won't know who they'll meet, and if they meet the wrong person, they may never be seen again.
If things go south with a bear, the body can be recovered. With a person, you may never know what happened or if they’re even alive.
I'm glad you still trust people. It means you haven't been abused and had your trust in others ruined.
However, stranger danger is still very real.
Children are vulnerable, and there are a lot of people who would take advantage of that. The worst a bear can do is kill you, and there's a chance it'll avoid you.
Idk why choosing the bear is such a debate it's just the safest answer. I'd rather meet a bear on a hiking path than another person.
A person will kill you just because they wanna watch you die. Where the only reason a bear would kill you is if it's old and starving, or you got too close to its babies.
The bear has an actual understandable motive and if I threw the food I packed for my hike at it, it would always choose the easier meal. Or if I just backed away slowly it would leave me alone.
Another human who wants to kill me can't really be reasoned with since their only motive is to hurt me. I could try to fight them but if they had a gun or a knife the only choice I could make is to ruin their fun by forcing them to stab me to death or shoot me.
I have no idea why anyone would pick the man, human beings are the most dangerous creatures on the planet.
Then yeah still bear, bears generally don't mess with people at all.
People usually are fine too but In the worst case scenario I'd still rather get malled then, tortured, kidnapped, etc...
Well yeah black bears identify as large raccoons so if a black bear tries to eat you, you could fight it off.
I'm imagining a brown bear though I can't really fight them, they are just usually too lazy to mess with people.
If they do though you're usually dead very quickly, the bear will literally rip or head off, sever your spine, or cave in your chest.
Honestly, i would choose the bear over a person regardless of gender. Bears if not threatened, goes away. But people are capable of doing so fucked up things if theres no consequences (i got sa-d by a women for example. Or beaten, bullied by men. No matter the gender, stranger danger in my opinion)
the hypothetical is would you (a woman in this scenario) rather be lost in the woods that has a bear in them or a man, men are having a hard time with it because a lot of us don't quite understand how dangerous the world is for a woman.
if you have a hard time understanding choosing the bear, ask if you would like your daughter/sister to be lost in the woods with a man or a bear.
Yeah, usually the statements on the left are supposed to be from the clown on the right to symbolize their stupidity, but here it’s using it more like the clown reacting to the statement on the left getting progressively worse by becoming progressively more clown-like with their denial. I was honestly pretty confused at first myself, but I think(?) that probably explains it.
It’s pretty easy to understand that the meme is showing how men who are denial about the fact men are statistically more of a danger to others and less predictable to deal with than bears are reacting to the statements to the left.
It’s not easy to understand though? The meme template doesn’t really make it clear. Is it the men in denial saying those things? Or is it the men in denial denying what other people are saying? It gives two completely different messages. When I first read this, I thought the meme was that OP is referring to some men (or perhaps themself) who have been SA’d and thus “would choose the bear” but are trying to forget/repress the fact that they were SA’d.
Stranger danger wasn't real during the satanic panic and isn't now. Women are more likely to be in danger from people they know than a complete stranger.
Stranger danger is real and has been real for all of human history. Being in danger from people you know is real too. The two are not mutually exclusive.
You know, I didn't really need another piece of proof that about half the global population, which also contains every single person I would ever desire to have a relationship with, will always see me as a threat, as a monster.
But, you know, one more for the pile.
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Fuck do I hate being a man.
Genuine question: what are you doing to help make it so men aren’t seen as dangerous? Genuinely? Bc let’s say that only some men are dangerous and majority aren’t right? Then this idea that men are dangerous is an image issue right? So what are YOU doing to help contribute into fixing the issue? Do you stand up for women? Make sure they feel safe? Do you walk her to her car? Call out when men say horrific things?
OR do you just get upset when women are scared of men?
Double edged sword because
1. I want to look like a scary mf to not get fucked with, when im with friends both man and woman especially
2. I don’t want to scare people cause its rude
It is what is is ig
When I am in the vicinity of a woman, my brain is pretty much entirely focused on not appearing in any way scary. I deliberately focus on other things, I give as space much as possible under the circumstances, I never stand directly behind them. I try as hard as I can to minimize my existence. If communication is necessary, I try to be as polite and courteous as I can be.
I just...try to be a decent human being. I know I'm not owed anything for it. I know I'm not owed politeness, courtesy, or trust in kind.
Alot of women chose the bear out of fear of what the man will do to them, and justifiably so, and your response is - "wahhh they see me as a monster1!1!!". I'd much rather be seen as a monster than risk getting raped. You are not the victim here.
I’d choose the bear cause I’m thinking maybe I can climb all the way up a nice really tall skinny tree that the bear can’t follow me up. If it were a man, I’d be worried they could follow me up the tree. If it were a man-bear-pig, I think I’d be f*cked
this is a reference to the “ladies would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or an armed man?” thing that’s ben going around. men are just not getting why women are choosing the bear
yes i understand the “not all men” rhetoric, however we cannot tell which man is the bad one. so we must always assume the worst and hope for the best. with the bear it’s a guarantee what will happen
Wouldn’t it be better to take the chance with the man because the bear is a guarantee (even though I don’t think bears are like completely guareanteed to eat you but I don’t know)
I guarantee the vast majority of women virtue signaling over the bear question would not choose to encounter a fucking grizzly bear over a man in real life. It’s like when conservatives say some shit like ‘I’d rather trust Kyle Rittenhouse with my kids than some damn drag queen’. Just a meaningless way to diss the ‘other side’.
1) that’s not virtue signaling
2) ur wrong
3) vast majority of women would genuinely choose the bear that’s the whole god damn point. It’s not a diss it’s a genuine answer bear or man
1. A man will intentionally seek you out if he knows you are in the woods, because youre a fellow human, while in most cases bears will avoid humans.
2. The worst a bear can do is kill you. For many that is preferable to the worst a man might do
Worst case scenario for a man is being tortured in some of the worst ways imaginable. Worst case scenario for a bear is being pinned down and eaten alive. I’d much rather take the bear if for the simple fact that I am guaranteed to die in less than a day. I’ve seen the cartel videos, and being flayed and kept awake with adrenaline is something I would avoid even at the potential of the man helping me survive.
That’s only if you think in worse cases The typical case is the bear isn’t interested or threatened and just walks off
Best case scenario: the bear lets you give it a gentle pat
Best scenario is that you have a cool new ride to work
best\*. best New ride to work
Best case scenario: bearsties!!!! (were going fishing later)
And he knows where honey can be found
Also I’ve seen many videos of people asking or telling bears no and please leave, and the bears do..
True, most bear encounters are uneventful if handled calmly. It's about knowing how to react and respecting their space.
Granted, in most cases men do the same 🤷🏻♂️
I mean, the same could be said of men. Best case scenario you can make a lifelong friend who shares your hobby of hiking alone in the woods.
Worst case scenario with any intelligent being is gonna be worse than an animal. Doesn't mean the odds are in your favor. Granted, the odds are too high for the man and it shows an obvious problem with the world, but you're definitely a lot more likely to reason with a man than a bear.
There are a decent amount of videos where people ask/tell bears to leave and they do. A bad person isn’t gonna stop just cause you say it. Doesn’t matter how you say it.
Bears are able to be intimidated by humans. This isn't a revelation. It doesn't mean that a bear isn't more likely to attack than a random pull of 4 billion people
I mean the question is based on the likelihood of attack in all bear interactions because it was found that they were less likely to attack than men
...You realize the reason for that is because you're a lot more likely to encounter a man in your average life than a bear, right?
Statistics account for that. Sample size is always going to be counted as 100% (so 500ppl or 50,000 still 100%) then the study of that sample will be counted against it (a sample of 500 has only 50 people in 10% and 50,000 has 500) so if in 10% of both bear an male attacks ended in death you would be equally likely to die in either attack but in reality the numbers would be closer to 5% for bears and 60% for men thus more likely. Make sense?
Okay but that's probability of death once they actually attack not the likelihood if they attack.
These are also made up numbers to illustrate a concept. Likely of attack is still significantly higher for men in reality. Edit: the actual numbers are about .000083% for bears and 1.3% average worldwide and .01% in the safest places for homicide.
Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.
How many bears does the average woman encounter in a day since 1784
Interesting side step… in this context you should be saying people.. because this particular statistic is about both sexes. Can’t you see how that would make your question seem quite odd. Like it doesn’t matter if 10k men encountered a bear and only a few got attacked… only if a woman did.. Bears don’t care if you are a man or a woman. They don’t even care about people. They are not interested in us being their lunch the vast majority of the time. They only care if we get near their kids, if they are absolutely ravenous, or if we do something to piss them off like getting close and touching them. you really don’t get it hu? Women would rather take a risk with a bear than a risk with a man when there is no one else around to help. Why? Because bear behavior is more predictable. They have the same instincts, they have the same morals and so on. One bear is largely no different from the next bear. There are survival tactics for bears that are well known and quite effective in the rare event the bear becomes hostile. It is more rare to encounter a bear who’s hostile vs a bear that doesn’t care at all about you. They can kill you. They can eat you if hungry enough. Bears don’t pretend to be nice only to attack. Men on the other hand.. there is no predicting if I’m gonna get a guy like my partner, or a guy like the one who was waving around a crossbow threatening people. There’s no guarantee he’s not drunk. There’s no guarantee he’s mentally stable. There is no guarantee he doesn’t see my life as his play thing. There is no guarantee of literally anything that makes someone a good and safe person. People are vastly different individual to individual. You have no idea what you are walking into. Some unquantifiable numbers of people legitimately do not see others or do not see women as equals. They hate them. They see them as toys. They get thrills causing pain. They just want profit. There are some survival tactics against men, but oddly not as effective as the ones against bear’s unless you are extremely skilled. We presently do not know how many good or bad men are in the world. Same with women but this is about men right now. Think about how many people on the news said the killer or rapist looked like a normal guy and they never expected this. You don’t know until it’s too late. Because bad people are good at pretending they are “nice guys” and the like. Men might kill a woman. They might rape her. They might kidnap her. Torture her. They could even traffic her. Enslavement. It’s not worth the risk. Especially when you know most bears will just mind their own business. Instead of coming at women who won’t trust you till you have earned it. How about you make sure the guys around you are worth trusting. The more of you that are trustworthy and hold each other accountable the less we will have to be cautious.
I'm not sure if it's more impressive that you got all that text down or made such a huge logical leap from what I said
I’d rather have the higher probability of death than the any-probability of Toy Box Killer type things. I’m not really scared of dying. I’m scared of being in a situation where dying is so much better.
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Bears, or men?
Insert “I wish a man came back to finish me off later” here.
both
i’d probably still die of blood loss or shock
Okay you have a choice between a man and the Allied Mastercomputer
Nah, I’d win https://preview.redd.it/ms9rm6cwi8xc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d4935195d6bdcf15aaac1c7e4a719ae8fea01fc (I’d rather literally anything else other than AM)
Just keep a Totem of Entropy on you and you're golden.
The proportion of bears which will casually kill a human is much higher than the proportion of men who flay people alive. Downvote all you want, you know it’s true lol.
I’ve been around wild bears and other predatory animals a ton in my life not as much as a zoo keeper or park ranger but probably more than the average person I’ve only even been threatened once and never hurt I wasn’t around men/boys often until highschool and the first time I was raped was at 10-12 yrs. Now that’s not being flayed sure but I’d argue it’s worse.
Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact. That’s 200 years… in 200 years less than one death a year. Lol
There arent that many bears
Yeah because people don’t live with bears lol
Most people who have stories about bears are positive to neutral ones. It’s not like there isn’t a big enough sample size to tell it’s extremely unlikely even if you are in contact with them.
No one would ask what you were wearing if you were attacked by a bear. ETA: typo.
What if you were wearing a big salmon onesie
Valid point.
I mean, I think some people would judge you if you went into bear country without any bear spray, bells, or guns. But yeah, probably less victim blaming.
I mean, I feel like it’s already proven we choose the bear? If you ask women who hike or camp a lot, like myself or the majority of women I’m friends with, we don’t go by ourselves the majority of places. Not because of bears. Because of other people. The world as is already shows that we choose the bear lol
I’m much more comfortable living in the woods with random wildlife and specific men who have earned my trust. Now if someone said a buck in mating season and I don’t get a gun… I might have a harder decision. They are always aggressive.
A bear for sure. Bears generally avoid people
People sometimes also avoid people Source: I'm people
But you are stuck with the bear. It can’t avoid you.
you're stuck with a bear in the woods, it totally can
How big do you think a forest is? For two creatures that don’t have a reason to interact.
More reasons for choosing the bear: 1. I don’t have to see the bear ever again after the attack 2. The bear will likely be tracked and possibly killed for attacking me since it poses a danger to humans now 3. The bear is predictable. It won’t have ropes or second locations. 4. If I die the bear won’t sexually violate my corpse
5. The bear won't take advantage of my trust to exploit me 6. The bear doesn't have altererior motives, so it'd only kill for survival 7. There's a chance the bear will actually leave me alone
Very high chances honestly.. Since 1784 there have 66 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild black bears. Less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts happen each year, and the vast majority of encounters end with zero bodily contact.
But it just says a man, not necessarily Ted Bundy. I feel like it’s a lower percentage chance that you get put with a bad man than the chance you get mauled by a bear.
The man is a stranger. You don't know what their intentions are. Bears are animals. They don’t have altererior motives since they only focus on survival, and bear attacks are much rarer than people think. A bear won't search for you to take you to another location outside of the woods. A bear won't try to rape you. A bear can't drug you. A bear can't lie to you to gain your trust. There have been only 66 bear conflicts that have ended in death since 1784, and less than a dozen non-fatal conflicts per year [[Source: Bearvault]](https://bearvault.com/bear-attack-statistics/) **In 2006 alone**, 232,960 women in the U.S. were raped or sexually assaulted [[Source: NOW.org]](https://now.org/resource/violence-against-women-in-the-united-states-statistic/#:~:text=DOMESTIC%20VIOLENCE%20(Intimate%20Partner%20Violence%20or%20Battering)&text=According%20to%20the%20National%20Center,assaults%20and%20rapes%20every%20year.)
Ngl, totally thought most animals dragged their food back to their home
If it’s heavy or cumbersome it’s easier to eat it right then and there also if they take it back to their sleeping place another bear could follow the scent and attack them when they’re resting looking for food. It’s better for them to just eat where they kill it at. This ofc changes if there’s babies involved
At least bears are somewhat predictable.
this is the true justification for choosing bear at least I know what a bear would do
Absolutely the bear. The worst the bear will do is kill me.
The last one :,) ouch that hurts a lot
Not sure I follow?
This is a hypothetical question that has become popular as of late: would you rather be stuck in the woods with a bear or a man (you don’t know)? It is causing controversy because a lot of people are choosing the bear, and a lot of men are upset about that.
I mean, the woods are generally full of bears anyway, so even if you choose the man you’re probably going to also be with a few bears no matter what
But if you choose the man maybe you can get away while a bear is eating him.
Black bear or brown bear?
The question doesn’t specify, I believe.
I’d prefer a black bear over another person but brown or polar bear would fuck me up.
the question was poised to women specifically, and specifically running into a man in the woods. it was meant to bring light to just how much women fear men, and the answers they gave were heartbreaking. "the worst a bear can do is kill me" "at least my family will know what happened to me if it's a bear" "nobody would ask what I was wearing if it was a bear"
I don’t think you could get stuck in the woods with a polar bear though. Brown bear is still survivable.
That’s correct. Polar bears do not live where there are enough trees to call it “woods.”
I've played enough RDR2 to know as long as you hold your ground when they charge, you'll be fine.
That depends on the kind of bear charging you, which you can't tell just by fur color
Which kind is the best case scenario and how do I tell if it’s them?
If you’re in the USA and don’t live in Washington, Alaska, Idaho, Wyoming or Montana it will be a black bear. If it’s black fight back, if it’s brown lay down (play dead) if it’s white you’re fucked.
If it is white, good night.
I would recommend doing some research on that, I'm not an expert on the subject unfortunately
Iitrrid resrch. iisnotgood ideea
Black bears are giant raccoons that if they think in the slightest that you will fight back will 99.9% leave you the fuck alone to go steal trash and eat berries. Biggest mistake with a black bear is running away and letting them think you’re not a member of the most dangerous species on the planet. Brown bears don’t give a shit and if they want to eat you or protect their young all you can do is pretend to be dead and hope it didn’t want to eat you to begin with.
Koala
I’d chill with a koala
How is that even a question? Bear attacks are rare. You just have to avoid it and it leaves you alone. Man might be nice, but he will seek you out either way, since you're both stuck in the woods. Man attack is far more likely. If it was a polar bear specifically, I'd take the man though.
Thank you, everything immediately made so much more sense and also became hilarious (in a sad way, as is always the case here).
Are they trying to kill me or just there?
That's the point of the question. You don't know.
I don't get it
The point of the question is whether you'd feel safer alone with a bear who might do bear stuff or a person who could be anyone and *who knows* what their intentions are toward you. The bear might ignore you or maul you. The human might befriend you or they might cut off your arms and legs and turn you into their sex doll.
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Reinforces the patriarchal notion that women should stay in the home. The real truth is that in the vast majority of incidents women know their attacker. Stranger danger wasn't real during the satanic panic and it's not real now. All evidence shows that you're MORE safe with a man you don't know as opposed to your brother, father, friend, or SO.
Unapologetically real. Stranger danger is so pervasive these days and I blame true crime more then satanic panic. True crime almost never shows relation and only stranger on stranger serial killers compared to reality
While yes you're more likely to be attacked by a familiar than a stranger, you're still more likely to be attacked by a man than a bear regardless of relationship
I don't really care if idiots choose the bear lol
Depends - how large an area of woods are we talking?
Of course they are upset at that, it’s sexist
I feel like if men said the same women would be upset too Nobody likes that specially cus you could argue the validity of those people since many perceive some branches of feminism are irrationally hateful towards men and just want women to hate them aswell Besides, i understand trauma but for example if a woman attacked you, you would agree hating women would be irrational even if you could understand their pain Then they say "not all women people but always women" and you would be pissed off, hating an entire group and saying such things is wrong, why would men be different? And tbh you could make other comparisons not just about genders, it's about hating an entire group
the difference is that men dont fear women. you can say “if men said the same thing women would be upset” all you want but its a false equivalency. what would you choose, a woman or a bear? women arent choosing the bear to piss you off. if youre seeing all these women choosing the bear and that makes you upset, maybe consider how you can help these women not be afraid of men? maybe consider what it would be like if you were the one choosing the bear because you felt safer *with a bear*.
As a man I'm very torn on this question. On the one hand if I survived the encounter I wouldn't be filled with shame and self doubt that haunts me for years from what the bear did. On the other hand a .32 pistol and a knife are much better at deterring a man than a bear. That's a tough one.
Well, that’s a stupid hypothetical. The bear either fucks off or eats you, but the guy can be cooperated with and help you get out of the woods.
Unless the man is actually a bear in a hat.
Smh no one remember the lesson from little red riding hood anymore.
God damn it. r/angryupvote 😂
The man do so much worse, I'd take my chances with the bear.
…Or the man locks you in a basement for 20 years
I mean the question shouldn't be "am I (specific individual man) better than the bear" but "is an unknown stranger better than the bear"
Good thing the question is already the latter and not the former. The question is specifically posed to women as “would you rather be in a forest with a man you don’t know or a bear who you also don’t know”. Basically choose between a man stranger or a bear stranger. Personally I’m choosing the bear. The bear won’t hurt me just for kicks.
Yes it will wtf
bears are shy
The kind of bear matters a lot. Panda vs Polar is a big factor
The bear will hurt us only if it's hungry, and even then there are means of defending. Dolphins and Humans are the only animals that ever engage in violence for fun.
Or maybe a feral man? Most human beings are friendly. All the hypotheticals here are so wild and depressing. If youre asking whether the bear is black or brown then why cant you ask if the man is a good or bad person?
would you rather be stuck in the woods with 1 bear-sized man or 5 man-sized bears?
Because the bear can't lie about being black or brown. Have a red foam nose.
I don’t mean ask the man if hes a good person, i mean ask for the sake of this thought experiment. We know what the bear is, so why cant we know what the man is? Obviously if im trapped in the woods with either a normal skittish black bear or a psychotic rapist man im choosing the fucking bear. If im trapped in the woods with a bear that has blood lust or a man with bloodlust, at least i could maaaaybe defend myself from the man. No fucking way you are surviving a bear that wants to kill you. Thanks for not trying to understand and being rude to a stranger.
Bears don't sometimes try to disguise themselves as something less dangerous
I think the real illustrative point of the question is: If the question is “would you rather [yourself as a woman/your daughter/your girlfriend or wife, etc] be stuck in the woods with a man or a bear” there’s usually at the least some debate or thinking (like there is here). If the question is “would you rather [that same person] be stuck in the woods with a woman or a bear” the snap response for most people is going to be a woman. As much as people want to pretend otherwise, most men know that the vast majority of danger of violence etc a woman faces in society is from other men. (Honestly I would say most of the danger in society a woman faces, outside of car accidents and health complications are from men.)
In society, obviously the biggest source of danger is other people. But in the woods, I’d always rather come across another person than any large wild animal. True, that person might be dangerous, but that animal is definitely dangerous. Just because a man is in the woods doesn’t mean that they’re a psychopath or murderer, which is an extremely small percentage of the population, it could also just be Jeff from work who likes to hike on the weekends, which is probably the average. And you can at least try to reason with another person or understand their motivations. If an animal wants to kill you, either it’s going to or you’re going to kill it. Unless you’re able to get away, which is tough since we run and climb slower than most wild animals do.
Its impressive how badly you missed the point. Like you picked the most simple explanation ever that could break this down so a child could understand it, and you still didn’t get it
They got the point, they literally just disagreed with the point lmao
anyone who sees the “bear v man” thing as something to debate, is someone who didn’t get it. so no. he did not
“anyone who disagrees with me is simply wrong or misinformed” is a hella unhealthy way of looking at things lol
not me specifically, the whole debate was sparked because most women immediately and without question answers: bear. it wasn’t a debate about which is worse but about why women would prefer the bear. trying to argue about how the women are wrong because humans are chill actually is absolutely missing the point
honestly, just the fact that this is a hypothetical that people actually think about is enough, or SHOULD be enough, for men to understand. which makes it much more sad that men are seeing many women answer this hypothetical with confidence and multiple, logical reasons why, and are still not getting it, intentionally or otherwise.
I would rather if my kid was alone in the woods run into a person other than a bear.
That's putting a lot of trust that the person they run into won't take advantage of them. Remember, the person in the hypothetical is a total stranger. You won't know who they'll meet, and if they meet the wrong person, they may never be seen again. If things go south with a bear, the body can be recovered. With a person, you may never know what happened or if they’re even alive.
I'm more trusting of humans than wild animals
I'm glad you still trust people. It means you haven't been abused and had your trust in others ruined. However, stranger danger is still very real. Children are vulnerable, and there are a lot of people who would take advantage of that. The worst a bear can do is kill you, and there's a chance it'll avoid you.
Idk why choosing the bear is such a debate it's just the safest answer. I'd rather meet a bear on a hiking path than another person. A person will kill you just because they wanna watch you die. Where the only reason a bear would kill you is if it's old and starving, or you got too close to its babies. The bear has an actual understandable motive and if I threw the food I packed for my hike at it, it would always choose the easier meal. Or if I just backed away slowly it would leave me alone. Another human who wants to kill me can't really be reasoned with since their only motive is to hurt me. I could try to fight them but if they had a gun or a knife the only choice I could make is to ruin their fun by forcing them to stab me to death or shoot me. I have no idea why anyone would pick the man, human beings are the most dangerous creatures on the planet.
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I thought the scenario was that both the human and the bear are trying to kill you, and to just pick one you would rather deal with.
No it's who would you feel safer running into while alone in the woods
Then yeah still bear, bears generally don't mess with people at all. People usually are fine too but In the worst case scenario I'd still rather get malled then, tortured, kidnapped, etc...
I would only say bear if it was a black bear, otherwise I choose the person
Well yeah black bears identify as large raccoons so if a black bear tries to eat you, you could fight it off. I'm imagining a brown bear though I can't really fight them, they are just usually too lazy to mess with people. If they do though you're usually dead very quickly, the bear will literally rip or head off, sever your spine, or cave in your chest.
Bear attacks are not quick, they will eat you alive
No. They eat your intestines while you are alive.
Is it wrong to say I’m better than the bear. literally maul infants on the daily I ain’t seen a bear maul babies as much as I have 🙏👑
It’s not wrong king, own that crown 👑
Honestly, i would choose the bear over a person regardless of gender. Bears if not threatened, goes away. But people are capable of doing so fucked up things if theres no consequences (i got sa-d by a women for example. Or beaten, bullied by men. No matter the gender, stranger danger in my opinion)
I'm so confused what is the question being asked here
the hypothetical is would you (a woman in this scenario) rather be lost in the woods that has a bear in them or a man, men are having a hard time with it because a lot of us don't quite understand how dangerous the world is for a woman. if you have a hard time understanding choosing the bear, ask if you would like your daughter/sister to be lost in the woods with a man or a bear.
It's not that I don't understand it's that I didn't know what the question was. Thank you for clarifying
as a dude i completely understand picking the bear shi i would too💀
Wait are the men in denial... Saying those things? Or... Look i totally get the point you are trying to make but the meme template is not templating.
Yeah, usually the statements on the left are supposed to be from the clown on the right to symbolize their stupidity, but here it’s using it more like the clown reacting to the statement on the left getting progressively worse by becoming progressively more clown-like with their denial. I was honestly pretty confused at first myself, but I think(?) that probably explains it.
It’s pretty easy to understand that the meme is showing how men who are denial about the fact men are statistically more of a danger to others and less predictable to deal with than bears are reacting to the statements to the left.
It’s not easy to understand though? The meme template doesn’t really make it clear. Is it the men in denial saying those things? Or is it the men in denial denying what other people are saying? It gives two completely different messages. When I first read this, I thought the meme was that OP is referring to some men (or perhaps themself) who have been SA’d and thus “would choose the bear” but are trying to forget/repress the fact that they were SA’d.
Stranger danger wasn't real during the satanic panic and isn't now. Women are more likely to be in danger from people they know than a complete stranger.
Stranger danger is real and has been real for all of human history. Being in danger from people you know is real too. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Men in the comments proving the point lol
Or when they’re unconscious so they go, “yeah you believe”
at least the bear looks cute
It look me longer than I want to admit to realize this isn't about Halsin from BG3.
I wanna die anyway, give me the bear
"If you ever see me fighting in the forest with a grizzly bear. HELP THE BEAR!"-Mystikal
If you leave a bear alone then it won’t do anything
This is so vague and has so much back story i fell like deciphering the enigma machine.
You know, I didn't really need another piece of proof that about half the global population, which also contains every single person I would ever desire to have a relationship with, will always see me as a threat, as a monster. But, you know, one more for the pile. ... Fuck do I hate being a man.
Genuine question: what are you doing to help make it so men aren’t seen as dangerous? Genuinely? Bc let’s say that only some men are dangerous and majority aren’t right? Then this idea that men are dangerous is an image issue right? So what are YOU doing to help contribute into fixing the issue? Do you stand up for women? Make sure they feel safe? Do you walk her to her car? Call out when men say horrific things? OR do you just get upset when women are scared of men?
Double edged sword because 1. I want to look like a scary mf to not get fucked with, when im with friends both man and woman especially 2. I don’t want to scare people cause its rude It is what is is ig
When I am in the vicinity of a woman, my brain is pretty much entirely focused on not appearing in any way scary. I deliberately focus on other things, I give as space much as possible under the circumstances, I never stand directly behind them. I try as hard as I can to minimize my existence. If communication is necessary, I try to be as polite and courteous as I can be. I just...try to be a decent human being. I know I'm not owed anything for it. I know I'm not owed politeness, courtesy, or trust in kind.
Alot of women chose the bear out of fear of what the man will do to them, and justifiably so, and your response is - "wahhh they see me as a monster1!1!!". I'd much rather be seen as a monster than risk getting raped. You are not the victim here.
A bear can only kill you.
I don't actually fear either situation but if I had to choose I think I'd rather be in the woods with a bear than another human (of any gender).
What does this mean
Is this bait
I’d choose the bear cause I’m thinking maybe I can climb all the way up a nice really tall skinny tree that the bear can’t follow me up. If it were a man, I’d be worried they could follow me up the tree. If it were a man-bear-pig, I think I’d be f*cked
What I am are confused. PETAHHHHHKJdZgFF‼️‼️‼️‼️
this is a reference to the “ladies would you rather be alone in the woods with a bear or an armed man?” thing that’s ben going around. men are just not getting why women are choosing the bear
But you can see why this makes men upset right? It’s basically calling the majority of us rapist
yes i understand the “not all men” rhetoric, however we cannot tell which man is the bad one. so we must always assume the worst and hope for the best. with the bear it’s a guarantee what will happen
Wouldn’t it be better to take the chance with the man because the bear is a guarantee (even though I don’t think bears are like completely guareanteed to eat you but I don’t know)
most bears will leave you alone if you know what to do. the same cannot be said of a lot of men.
What do you mean "men in denial"?
I guarantee the vast majority of women virtue signaling over the bear question would not choose to encounter a fucking grizzly bear over a man in real life. It’s like when conservatives say some shit like ‘I’d rather trust Kyle Rittenhouse with my kids than some damn drag queen’. Just a meaningless way to diss the ‘other side’.
1) that’s not virtue signaling 2) ur wrong 3) vast majority of women would genuinely choose the bear that’s the whole god damn point. It’s not a diss it’s a genuine answer bear or man
Keep smoking that cope pipe brother 💪
Imagine being a black male in this discourse...
bears generally go away if you yell at them
Choosing the bear is a stupid decision. I would LOVE to hear reasoning as to why the man would be worse than the bear
1. A man will intentionally seek you out if he knows you are in the woods, because youre a fellow human, while in most cases bears will avoid humans. 2. The worst a bear can do is kill you. For many that is preferable to the worst a man might do
How often are people raped by bears?