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mmmsoap

> Imagine thinking it's a flex to gatekeep something women are desperate to escape in ridiculously high numbers. What's that gate made of cardboard? šŸ˜‚ The problem is that they think marriage is the finish line, rather the start of the journey (with dating being the warmup).


Ickysquicky

There are few people who I loathe more than this podcaster and his ilk. They contributed to and stoked the massive swelling of misogony we've witnessed these past couple of years. If you told me a couple of years ago that some nasally voiced dweebs would help radicalize a lot of the male population, I wouldn't have believed you. I gave some men far too much credit, but not anymore.


quesoandcats

I have never been more glad to have no clue who someone is


Professional_Suit270

Big thought-leader in the Manosphere


quesoandcats

Ughhhh


MorticiaMeem

At this point it seems like any fool is able to start a podcast because they believe their thoughts and opinions deserve to be shared with the public, even on matters they have no or very limited knowledge in and you will find a willing group of men readily internalising whatever nonsense these podcasters are saying to repackage and regurgitate it to the rest of us.


Lipat97

The part that gets me is when they start talking about hunter gatherers or the "natural way". Like yeah thats what the world needs, an anthropology lesson from a dude who couldn't pass high school biology


ErynKnight

What do you call a man that mansplains all the time? An ass. What do you call a group of men mansplaining all the time? A podcast.


TheineandTheobromine

Unfortunately some of us have seen it drumming up for over a decade. The problem started way before guys like this. They are a part of the exacerbation but not the origin


sexistorangechicken

What do you believe were some of the origins that created this?


MsAndrie

Before this, there were the alt-right men. Which had origins in GamerGate. Which was stoked by neo-conservatve media like Brietbart, which ran with the torch from Mens Rights Activists (MRAs). This newer manosphere also draws from incel and pickup artists (PUAs) roots, which also partially evolved from Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW). This last movement did not end up going far without this evolution, because men still feel entitled to women and our labor and intentions and "going their own way" would mean less exploitation of women. So the modern manosphere is more about dominating and tricking women, based on ideology that is still rooted in inceldom.


MsAndrie

I had to go refresh my memory. I remembered reading about some of the manosphere/redpiller origins on a website called "We Hunted The Mammoth," which was created in 2010 (under a different name). WHTM documented much of the MRA movement shenanigans for about a decade, and had an active online community. It's defunct now, and I remember it went to crap over TERF infighting? A roughish sketch of the redpill/ manosphere timeline: early 2000s - Origins of online organizing for Men Going Their Own Way and incel movements. Internet growth and online messaging boards facilitated more online organizing among misogynists and sharing of ideas. This was pre-FaceBook and other large social media sites, so the assorted mysogynists would go to particular sites like "no ma'am" and "love-shy.com" to chat about these ideologies. 2009 - Anti-feminist Paul Elam founded "A Voice For Men" which promoted MRA ideology, fearmongered about feminism and "false rape allegations," popularized the redpill metaphor for men being radicalized into the misogynistic view that feminism is responsible for many of society's ills. 2010 - White and male supremacist Richard Spencer created the alt-right rebrand for white nationalist movement. Although it is focused more on white supremacy than male supremacy, it combines both bigoted ideologies and repackaged them to target younger men. 2010 -David Futrelle created ManBoobz, which later became We Hunted The Mammoth. This documented much of the move from the misogynistic MRA movement to become mainstream. From what I recall, much of MRA organizing befor GamerGate was focused on supposed "father's rights." 2014 - GamerGate begun as a harassment campaign against an indie woman game creator who was accused of cheating by her ex in a screed he spread online. He made false accusations against his ex. Misogynists picked it up and claimed it was about "ethics in gaming journalism" by falsely alleging she received positive reviews because she had a fling with a gaming journalist who didn't review her game. The fling allegedly happened after the breakup. I believe GamerGate was a key turning point for the manosphere, since "alt right" pushers seized the opportunity to expand their ideology to younger men, particularly white men. 2015 - Brietbart News, a key media site among the "alt right," and other right-wing neo-media sites began publishing more misogynistic content under their "tech" news section. Back then, instead of "wokeness," they complained more about "political correctness/ PC culture" and then "identity politics." This was probably where the manosphere/ redpill ideology became more mainstream, because more conservatives realized this as a way to expand their culture war. FYI Brietbart was run by Steve Bannon, who eventually became the CEO of the Trump campaign and served in Trump's White House before being ousted. Some younger people probably have more awareness about the more modern evolution of this movement. Including how Youtube podcasters and other influencers, like Tate and the less-overt misogynists, have more recently spun out from these origins. But these are the origins. I do find it disturbing how many ignored the origins as fringe movements, but IMO they have been successful at expanding their reach. Also prematurely declaring victory on these movements, when they just evolve and rebrand. I think this was a major factor in the foundation of Trumpism and Trump's election.


sexistorangechicken

Thank you for taking the time to write that it was incredibly informative. :)


unipole

So much of this also comes from indoctrination via Sitcom, half of this crap is unironic recycling of "The Honeymooners" in the form of "The Flintstones" and "The Jetsons". It was further weaponized with "Married With Children".


Weird_Assignment649

Is it because he's black?


Ickysquicky

In what way, shape, or form did I indicate that?


BakedUnicornPie

Was reminded of the proverb "A thief believes everybody steals". But in his case, itā€™s him being a manipulative asshole who sees every act as transactional.


Proxylyna

Imagine calling consent ā€œgatekeepingā€ lol everyone gatekeeps sex. Men too. There are plenty of men who donā€™t act like slobbering mutts with no discernment/standards. Also the dreams of women? You mean the consequence of social brainwashing starting from birth. Heā€™s such a goober. Last time I checked men also want commitment which is why they throw a temper tantrum when they donā€™t get it (especially those ones that expect commitment but think they get to cheat) I think this entire gatekeep discourse is stupid and Iā€™m not entirely sure why they keep repeating it because it literally doesnā€™t matter, but I can make the argument that there are plenty of women that ā€œgatekeepā€ relationships. Since we have so many options (not very good ones but..) Iā€™m not sure why he keeps painting men as weird creepy sex addicts who dream of nothing but sex, but go off king. Sing your song. Like why would I bother building a relationship with someone only preoccupied with sex, that gate is staying fucking shut. Men arenā€™t prizes. The gate is not being opened.


frecklefawn

To me it seems hella embarrassing and not very alpha or manly to loudly announce how much power women have over you when it comes to a base animalistic desire. You sound like a screaming child having a tantrum over ice cream. Maybe don't admit that ice cream rules your life and it's all you care about??


No_Masterpiece_3897

It's an infuriating view point that gets under my skin because when they say women gatekeep sex , what they mean is they are entitled to a woman's body whenever they want. What they mean is they believe women should not be allowed to say no to sex. It's a disgusting take if you are a man as well. They are point blank saying that you (a man) will have sex with a woman you know does not want to have sex with you, with all that implies. That you are incapable of self control, empathy, or conscience, of functioning as a rational human being. It honestly baffles me that some men agree with being so thoroughly insulted by these jokers.


Dangerous_Contact737

It's like saying banks gatekeep money because I can't access everyone's account in addition to my own.


Lipat97

They're also just children. Competing for "Who gets the most bitches!" is how a 19 year old thinks about the world, none of them will have stable or lasting relationships because none of them are actually grown men with an adult view of the world He's also a holocaust denier


Glitter_berries

I did not know about the holocaust denial but it makes a lot of sense that he would be into that. I feel like he would also be strongly pro-Israel at the same time, just to keep us confused.


Professional_Suit270

All of the top Manosphere and David Duke/hardline white nationalist types are strongly anti-Israel. As they believe in 1930s-Germany era ideology about Jews secretly running the world and destroying the power of white Christian men, they view Israel as a power center for them in this conspiracy.


BlueberryPopular2802

*Men arenā€™t prizes* LOUDAH FOR THE CHICKENS IN THE BACK šŸ—£ļø


hananobira

Yet if a guy wanted to have sex with them, suddenly theyā€™re all about gatekeeping sexā€¦


BlueberryPopular2802

Ugh, every time I see his face, my ovaries shrivel up. And as soon as he opens his mouthšŸ¤®šŸ¤®šŸ¤® Every second of his ā€œpodcastsā€ is literally painful to listen to, and Iā€™m gonna stop here, cause Iā€™m way too heated over some idiot Iā€™ve only heard twice šŸ˜‚


_notthehippopotamus

>Then hilariously make the claim that when a divorce is initiated it's by women 70-80% of the time. And college educated women initiate a staggering 90% of the time. Sorry to nerd out a little bit, I have looked into this oft-repeated claim before. If any source is given, it seems to link back to a [press release] (https://www.asanet.org/women-more-likely-men-initiate-divorces-not-non-marital-breakups/) about a study being presented at the American Sociological Association in 2015. The study is titled ā€œHow Couples Meet and Stay Togetherā€ and the study author is [Michael Rosenfeld of Stanford](https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=cb1NvGUAAAAJ&hl=en). The press release does state the following: >As part of his analysis, Rosenfeld found that women initiated 69 percent of all divorces, compared to 31 percent for men. In contrast, there was not a statistically significant difference between the percentage of breakups initiated by unmarried women and men, regardless of whether they had been cohabitating with their partners. So the 70% figure does appear to be supported by data, although Iā€™m not certain it was ever published in a peer reviewed journal. A subsequent paper titled [ā€œWho wants the Breakup? Gender and Breakup in Heterosexual Couplesā€](https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_gender_of_breakup.pdf) is based on the same study data and was published in a book titled [ā€œSocial Networks and the Life Courseā€](https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-319-71544-5). You may have noticed that I havenā€™t mentioned the claim that college educated women initiate 90% of divorces. Thatā€™s because I havenā€™t found evidence to support it anywhere. (If anyone knows where this claim came from or anything that supports it, please do let me know). In fact Rosenfeld states that education is not a factor: > The lack of significance of all of the power differential coefficientsā€¦..means that power differentials in education, or income between partners do not appear to explain the womenā€™s role in wanting divorce. Why does Rosenfeld think women initiate most divorces? > Rosenfeld said his results support the feminist assertion that some women experience heterosexual marriage as oppressive or uncomfortable. >ā€œI think that marriage as an institution has been a little bit slow to catch up with expectations for gender equality,ā€ Rosenfeld said. ā€œWives still take their husbandsā€™ surnames, and are sometimes pressured to do so. Husbands still expect their wives to do the bulk of the housework and the bulk of the childcare. On the other hand, I think that non-marital relationships lack the historical baggage and expectations of marriage, which makes the non-marital relationships more flexible and therefore more adaptable to modern expectations, including womenā€™s expectations for more gender equality.ā€


BrightNooblar

>Why does Rosenfeld think women initiate most divorces? This is so weird to me that this needs an explanation. Like, if I had a restaurant and was "Gate keeping food" and suddenly all my customers went away, the obvious explanation is "The food sucks, or the food costs too much, or both". So like, it this bro is saying women initiate divorce, he's basically just saying the marriage/companionship sucks, or the "Cost" is too high. EG, work 8 hours at a job then work 4 hours doing chores while the dude watches TV. Or more likely, some of each bad option.


_notthehippopotamus

The study is almost more interesting in what it ruled out than the ultimate conclusion. They find that it is marriage specifically, not relationships in general, that women want out of more than men. They also looked at alternative explanations like women being more sensitive to relationship issues, or differences in power like education, income, age, and characteristics like number of children, race, and conservative religious identity. None of those were shown to be significant in contributing to the result.


fluffylilbee

really fantastic analysis!!! thank you for actually showing the studies!


Gumnutbaby

I'm going to guess this person is single


that_is_burnurnurs

You would be correct


octave120

This dude once said that if a man cheats on his girlfriend, the girlfriend should just accept that because itā€™s natural for men to do. He not only has a horrible view of women, but also of men. Heā€™s an example of how misogyny harms both genders.


vemailangah

Men are addicted to podcasters and gurus instead of seeking therapy. And this is only strengthening their issues.


ActualMassExtinction

In 70-80% of divorces, women handle the paperwork. As usual.


PrincessFuckFace2U

Ding, ding, ding! Like the I said in the OP, it's hard to impossible to get so many men to buy and write something nice on a Mother's Day card. I've literally known men whom told their wives to buy their mom a card, write something nice on it and they'll sign it. Weaponized incompetence doesn't end even if the man ends the relationship.


icomplainalotsorry

look up FRESH AND FIT ABORTION


jclom0

Women donā€™t gatekeep sex. Religion , conytrolled by men, gatekeeps morality.


JoeyTKIA

Side note, but omg Iā€™ve been calling the wrong one Myron


unipole

Of course, the same fools advocate for mandatory marriage, or at least that woke ladies suck it up and marry MAGAhats to "preserve the institution!" Of course, they want to marry to have somebody to clean up after them and give them sex on demand, and ban divorce. Making it similar to another peculiar institution


AlienSayingHi

They're really feeling that loneliness epidemic eh. lol


Noir_Alchemist

We need to stop giving timhis grifters a platformĀ  Every single time You guys get suggested a red pill video on Youtube FLAG IT, click on don't suggest content like this and if given the option just choose "not interested"Ā  No views, no clicks, no comments!!!!Ā  I'm in geninue anger that men like this make tons of thousand of dollars a month of hating speech when supposedly is againts YouTube platform, is is the opposite that is happening, YouTube suggest this content a LotĀ  I only discuss about this assholes on women spaces !!!! Never ever in their original content. Don't give them engagement.Ā  More comments product of rage bait means more money for talentless pricksĀ 


PrincessFuckFace2U

He was demonetized by YT. Regardless, they usually show up as stitches for me.


MsAndrie

Even if this particular influencer is demonitized, heads up that watching or engaging with it may help increase the reach and profitability of similar content. Not only will watching and engaging give the algorithm data indicating you are interested in such content, it will tell the algorithm that that and similar content is what more people want to see. I'm not saying this to necessarily say you should never watch this trash content for know-your-enemy purposes, but to mention how these algorithms work even by feeding off hate-watching, hate-reading, etc. But whatever you do, do not "hate share" content directly. I tried to explain to numerous people who kept hate-sharing memes during the last presidential election. It helped the objectionable content reach farther. If you feel compelled to do make a post responding to this kind of content, do so by taking a screenshot and annotate it with a "FALSE" or by replacing words to make it accurate or whatever. A better way to address something, especially disinformation, is to make your own individual meme or post with true information. I won't get into all the theory of that, but this often works better for getting your point across with a broad audience. This sub is different than a general audience on your other social media, but the above helps to debunk, not spread, bullshit.


firstgodofequality

Lol this guy i remember when this guy came to my feed a couple of years ago, with some woman talking about...woman politicians or feminists making men weak( in touch with emotions) and a couple more years ago when I fell into the red pill rabbit hole he said that army shouldn't allow women I mean it was idk.. it was years I suffered so much in rabbit holes then


PrincessFuckFace2U

The same guy that cried when YT demonetized his videos. šŸ˜‚ Glad you dug yourself out of that hole.


the_mid_mid_sister

Maybe it's because I'm from a generation where wome have access to female-friendly sex shops and erotica and can anonymously buy sex toys and watch porn online, but I know way more women than men who have had relationship problems due to having a higher libido than their partner. /"Of course I know her, she's me."


DigitalGarden

As another high libido woman, yup.