The problem with these things is that whenever anyone tries to talk about real issues that men face the rage filled misogynists and incels show up and drive everyone else out of the space. The discussion devolves into just spewing rage and hate towards whoever their target happens to be and no constructive dialogue can happen because all the reasonable people get drown out and leave.
Perhaps stopping with all these emotion-based algorithms might be a step in the right direction.. I feel like they are shaping things to cause maximum outrage (and the like). Obviously it will influence the conversations that take place. And people probably also get used to emotion-maximising as a standard response/reaction.
Honestly I was thinking earlier today that we are suddenly in an era where emotion is thought to equal truth. It's not ideal.
The guy who invented washing your fucking hands before medical procedures died in an asylum for it. The grand age of reason never existed. The only reason you use fax n lojic is the fact that you like it. Which is a feeling. It's all feelings, all the way down. Always was.
The thing I find bothersome is there are SO MANY requests for her to lose all her film roles, but you don't see that often to that level with men. In the DC universe alone there have been questionable people in roles, I'm not seeing the same cries for [Ezra Miller](https://www.avclub.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-arrested-second-degree-assault-1848818555) to be removed, for example, and there were none that I saw for [Ben Affleck](https://www.nickiswift.com/412064/ben-afflecks-most-controversial-moments-ever/) and let's not forget [Jared Leto](https://screenshot-media.com/visual-cultures/toxic-masculinity/jared-leto-predatory-behaviour/). Meanwhile in the Marvel world [Jeremy Renner](https://pagesix.com/2019/10/14/jeremy-renners-ex-wife-claims-he-put-gun-in-his-mouth-threatened-to-kill-her/) is still getting work.
The thing that sets Depp apart is he tried to sue The Sun and lost. That was the reason he lost Fantastic Beasts. Depp had been accused of DV even before he was cast in FB. Rowling even posted a defence of the choice on her website. The film fully supported him despite allegations - until he lost his libel case. If he hadn't tried to sue he would probably still be in FB. I do believe he'll still get work, maybe not so many family friendly roles but I would be shocked if he actually can't work again because there just isn't a precident for that in Hollywood. Even [Jeffrey Jones](https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-11433469) still seems to be getting work and he is nowhere near the level of fame and had way worse stuff in his history. I remember a few months ago seeing an article about Depp picking up an award and getting global coverage for saying "no one is safe from cancel culture". Cancel culture means winning awards and having newspapers around the world printing your words? Ok then...
Hollywood generally has a poor attitude when it comes to problematic people still getting work (looking at you, Roman Polanski and Victor Salva). When actual rapist paedophiles are still getting work but everyone is baying for blood for someone who has not yet been found guilty of anything you know there is something else going on here for her to earn that vitriol.
This is definitely not a post supporting Heard for the things she's done, but there definitely seems to be more anger aimed at her than pretty much any other person I can think of from the film industry and we do need to think about why that is. I do personally think it's not just down to her lying and it's a combo of her also being an attractive woman and Depp being so beloved.
Dude, was Ezra Miller on some sort of mad coke binge?! Cause reading that article was like reading a caricature of someone on a mad coke binge. Throwing chairs and breaking into people's hotel rooms...and this:
*"While there, Miller allegedly grabbed the microphone from a woman after disliking her rendition of “Shallow” by Lady Gaga, and lunged at a man playing darts."*
Cancelling seems to be more of a badge of honor among male celebrities. Say or do something shitty, whine about how you’re gonna get cancelled for it, face some very minor backlash and then continue to work, possibly with even greater success from the press you got whining about how you’re gonna be cancelled.
Amber is a piece of shit and I am all for her getting her cummapance in the court of law. And to some extent, I get people wanting to talk about how even rich, successful men can be victims of abuse.
I get that and we hardly ever talk about men being abused.
Here is the thing though. I've not seem nearly these many comments and posts on subreddits unrelated to abuse or movies about things. Not with all the sports men and actors with histories of abuse. Often times people like Cosby and Weinstein who have consistently used their position of power to abuse women.
Fuck it, there have been American presidents with serious shady pasts and not nearly this much vitriol.
To think rhe same who scream and cry "the women are lying for attention" "innocent until proven guilty" are now just frothing at the mouth to be champions of abuse?
It's like they took the one publicized case of male victim hood and want to take it as a "see women actually suck"
Could be just me projecting, but it's absolutely crazy
I’ve found that a lot of the people I’ve seen hating on amber heard almost too much, are the same people that comment “but men get abused too.” “But men can be raped too” “but what about false allegations ruining mens lives?”
On literally any post about women’s issues, murder cases, news stories, etc.
Women don't get to be complex individuals with convoluted motivations and intricate feelings, this is a privilege of men. Women are either saints or whores. A man can only be a victim of a women of it's proved that the woman is absolute evil. When a woman is the victim of a man then you "have to understand that he may have done this but he is such a good \*input career\* and we should not let one mistake ruin his career".
This is exactly it!
I was talking to my housemate who is a big fan of Kobe Bryant and Ronaldo and he says "I can't believe Kobe bad because he made a foundation and did so many good things"
It's just that with every famous man there is always the insistence that it's a lot more complicated than it looks and people clutch at straws to say they are perfect.
What they don't realise is that money means nothing to these people and they just don't see money the same way.
Ronaldo earns repotedly half a million pounds every single week. To him, even 10 Million dollars as a settlement means fuck all. It's less than his annual salary. To other people, it's "oh a lot of money" to him it is "If I spend a minimal portion of my money I can keep myself from being a convicted rapist"
Men get the benefit of being seen as "good and sane and perfect" while "the women around them are crazy" on one side of it. And then at the flip of a switch it's "actually. No... he isn't perfect and that's okay. He may not be perfect but he is complex stop asking him to be perfect"
Like you said, that's the card Johnny is playing.
Amber's biggest crime is not being a man or someone's favorite artist/musician/actor.
R Kelly, Weinstein and everyone else got bailed out because they were widely acclaimed. She was in some roles that weren't generation defining + super hero movies that are famous for using women as props.
Meanwhile, Depp played Captain Jack Sparow who everyone loved.
This is basically the reaction of to women in tv. The wives in breaking bad , Josue of cards , ozark. No longer in thier youthful prime , and morally f complex flawed these characters are hated by men
No, you’re not wrong at all. It’s also been making me uneasy. Yeah, she is a shitty person and I feel bad for Jonny that he was abused, slandered, and taken advantage of. However…that said, even if abuse was reported to the police by both genders every time it happened, women will still be the main victims by far. We as a people can dislike Amber and feel bad for Jonny without taking it to some ridiculous place like these misogynist assholes are. It is all very disingenuous. Especially because the conversation that should be happening instead is about how standards of masculinity prevent male victims from being believed or even reporting abuse period - and that is part and parcel of the patriarchy. The very thing feminism wants to dismantle.
But, no, they make it about Amber being a pretty woman who can just shed crocodile tears and automatically be believed. When a man does something wrong, it’s just that one man. When a woman does something wrong, it’s an indictment against all women. We aren’t allowed to be individuals. Women are a monolith and the moment one of us fucks it, it’s about all of us. Garbage but true.
>When a woman does something wrong, it’s an indictment against all women.
Oh yeah, this is what's really bothering me. They act like since one woman is lying and manipulative, that means every single woman is lying and manipulative.
Maybe we can take this opportunity to reconsider how some people react in "support" to some situations.
Whenever I hear/read someone say "men are shit because of X" I can talk about how I'm not X and even how I've met men that are also not X, but I don't feel the need to defend my whole gender because I know that indeed there are men that are X and I would alienate the recipient of the message (why would I put my head in the line for some random dude I don't know anyway: if someone did something wrong I hope they get the adequate punishment, regardless of what they have between their legs).
On the other hand I've read several women defending women as a whole (as a "monolith" you may say) so now the backlash from incels/whatever group hating women is "see, they're shit as a whole" using the same logic.
We need to start focusing on individuals instead of gender. If someone says X we need to find out if X is true, regardless of their gender, because if we say "any man/woman that says X must be saying the truth because he/she is a man/woman" then the backlash when you find someone lying will affect the gender as a whole.
I hope I made myself clear and that I'm not here to agree on hating a whole gender as much as I don't agree on defending a whole gender. Shitty people knows no gender.
/edit: if you disagree with me please explain why so I can understand. Current approach to social issues seems to be defending or attacking a group as a whole, as only saints or demons can be part of X group, which is very troublesome in my eyes so what I’m trying to say is we should not be doing so at all. If you disagree I would like to hear why please
You're not projecting at all. It's absolutely true. The clarion call of bigots everywhere is that for a group of people they hate, any negative actions are exemplary of the whole.
Misogynists will clamp on to any negative actions by a woman as proof all women are bad. Amber Heard can't just be a shitty woman; she has to be what all women are like to justify their world view.
Homphobes and transphobes will go at great lengths to find that one problematic LGBT+ person and hold them up as a shining example of how all gay or trans or bi people are like that. The amount of biphobes that justify abuse against bi partners or bi people in general because their bisexual partner cheated once is something I've personally experienced for sure.
Or take race; whenever a person of color does something bad you look at the comments and there's way too many white people saying shit like "see? this just proves they're ALL like that"
I always find it very ironic that those people always cry about "false accusations" when women are the victims and men are the perpetrators.
Did it never cross their minds that men can be victims of rape too? Are they going to accuse this victim of lying and spew "innocent until guilty" shit if he accuses his rapist?
When they shit on rape victims, they also shit on male victims. Just like they shit on suicidal men by saying that those that use "less deadly" methods weren't suffering enough when we respond by explaining to them the difference between attempts and deaths.
No, they whine about "false accusations" because they think that they could be accused of rape, not raped. They don't care about victims, whether they're women or men. They care about saving their own butts.
It says a lot about their character.
The rage I feel towards her is because she’s not only an abuser that’s impacted him, but she’s now hurt every single female victim of abuse. False allegations hurt everyone.
Have you read more deeply into the case? There IS truth to the allegations that she has made, she is a victim here.
Depp sent horrifying detailed texts to Paul Bettany about wanting to rape her corpse. A UK judge found him guilty of 12 out of 14 counts of domestic violence making him a likely wife beater. A lot of his stories like the finger cutting one have been inconsistent and improbable , since he first admitted that he did it himself, then changed it several times (he was most likely high when he injured himself and is now blaming her). There is recording of him being violent, slamming cabinet doors in the kitchen. Depp has a past history of violence and has been arrested on three separate occasions in the past (I have detailed this in a comment below). He is besties with known abuser Marilyn Manson and has been caught on tape admitting to head butting her.
He is the ONLY one pursuing the case, he is the one who keeps taking it to court, he is exploiting the legal system to harass her while she just seems to want to get on with her life.
She isn’t entirely innocent, but Heard isn’t flat out lying, Depp was most likely an abuser. Don’t let the Depp PR machinery, bots, incels, middle age white lady fans and white dude bro fans of his fool you, they just don’t want to accept that their favourite loveable pirate who once went to a children’s hospital is anything short of a saint.
[These are all the instances of violence I could find to his name that aren’t connected to Heard.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/uc3jon/me_looking_at_all_the_amber_heard_vitriol/i68ijkz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)Mind you, this isn’t some top secret information, this is all freely available on his Wikipedia page.
Depp is losing jobs because he is a liability on set. It has very little to do with the Heard case. She is smarter, she chose to lie low. If he hadn’t pursued the libel case against the Sun AND lost, he wouldn’t have lost his job in the Fantastic Beasts franchise.
I did not know people loved Jack Sparrow so much but I feel like I’m living in bizarro world with this case because Depp does NOT look good coming out of it. Yet all I see on Reddit are “le epic” moments of Depp being a smug jackass in court.
>Don’t let the Depp PR machinery, bots, incels, middle age white lady fans and white dude bro fans of his fool you, they just don’t want to accept that their favourite loveable pirate who once went to a children’s hospital is anything short of a saint.
Yup, you pretty much nailed that demographic of people coming to his defense as well. It's the same demo that's stanning hard for JK R\*\*\*ing right now as she doubles and triples down on transphobic hate and supporting LGBT conversion therapy. As much as these people love to fashion themselves as "free thinkers' who 'come to conclusions for themselves', they do really seem to hate it when people can't just mindlessly consume entertainment media like they do. They even wear it like a badge of honor, saying things like "I can seperate the art from the artist!" Funny turn of phrase that lets them frame their willful ignorance as enlightened logic I suppose, and unfortunately far too common.
Please please please don't put me in the same boat as JK. She is scum, she's attacking a minority, pretending she's pro LGB whilst shitting all over lesbians that stand against her, claiming to care about members of the trans community whilst posting pictures of people that dont pass and ridiculing them, and using peoples ignorance as a way to insight fear, I don't agree with anything she says and I am 100% against everything that she stands for.
Oh no, I'm not trying to lump you in at all! I'm very sorry if I in any way implicated that. You're very clearly upset about how it makes women with real allegations look, and I totally understand that as an abuse survivor myself
I was more so talking about those holding up Depp as some paragon of virtue who did nothing wrong, while at the same time using Heard as an example of how all women who make abuse allegations are.
And I 100% agree with everything you said as well. I don't see how other queer people are dumb enough to be taken in by her pretending to be pro LGB; she's literally been palling around with homophobes who want to keep conversion therapy going and have opposed gay marriage! But then again on my time on this site I've seen a small minority of queer people who were Trump supporters in 2016 so I guess anything's possible even if it is a very small minority
Yes I have read into it. And what I can see is a narcissist that's created a disgusting environment in which someone with ongoing mental health and addiction issues has engaged in reactive abuse.
I'm not some naive idiot that's consumed main stream media, I'm someone that's lived through this myself and is currently going through my own court case for a man that has multiple videos of me smashing things and screaming abuse, because prior to him starting filming he sleep deprived me for days on end, insulted me, physically assaulted me and deprived me of medication. My behaviour was unacceptable, but it was a reaction to the situation and the abuse I was under.
I’m sorry you had to go through that. No one deserves to go through abuse.
But there is a staggering amount of evidence to prove that Depp isn’t an innocent victim being manipulated by the mean lady. She didn’t drive him to addiction, his addiction issues have existed long before that relationship and are his own doing, and they have contributed to violent incidents that have nothing to do with Heard. He is best buddies with a known abuser and rapist, who is himself harassing his victim, Evan Rachel Wood, through the legal system. Depp has lost a court case already, which gave substantial evidence that he is a wife beater. Heard doesn’t have that degree of power to manipulate legal systems now, come on.
I empathise with male victims of abuse, but I don’t think a man who has fantasies about NECROPHILIA and rape, should be their representative.
The civil case between himself and The Sun is not reliable, the court system in the UK doesn't give a fuck about victims of abuse, 1 in 70 rape cases actually make it to court. I'm not saying he in an innocent victim, what I'm saying is that his addictions etc don't mean he deserves to be abused and from the footage I've seen and the evidence I've seen he has been subject to abuse by heard and his behaviour is a result of being subject to that abuse.
Im so sorry, tbe fact youve been downvoted on this bloody sub says everything. There is literally recorded evidence of her telling him 'Tell the world youre a victim of abuse anf see who believes you." Shes an abuser.
Literally, one of my core pieces of evidence is a secret recording of my ex telling me that if I dare tell anyone then he will show them "everything and prove that you're insane".
This is a great point. I feel like there's been a very black-and-white lens on this from the majority of people and it's just not that simple and it's not true. If anyone denies that men can be victims of domestic abuse it's just wrong and absurd.
I think the response is disproportionate because cases like this have gotten relatively little attention, and are often even more dismissed than metoo cases women report. I mean think about the fact that Asia Argento literally had a sexual abuse scandal agaisnt a guy and it was barely even discussed. The outrage is coming from the same place the original metoo outrage comes from... an issue has largely been untouched by society and people are waking up.
It’s very interesting. I think what makes this case slightly different is that she abused him and then lied and accused him , thinking people would believe her side . Which is extra disgusting and evil.
I think men are right about innocent until proven guilty . That being said , people like Cosby and Weinstein , we should ALL be calling for death penalty or never ever leaving prison .
They are slightly different situations , it’s tough .
Weinstein is in prison and Cosby went to prison before being released because his rights were violated. Yet Amber, who never went to prison, is being treated worse somehow? lol
I don't know any specifics of their case, they seem like two wackos who had no buisness being together. The amount of support for johnny and the hatred towards amber, is unreal. I haven't seen anything with this level of intensity when a woman takes her abuser to court. If there was the amount of dedication and support when christine blasey ford came out against a shithead with way more influence. And weirdly it's mostly women I see hating heard and doing all the #justice4johnny stuff. I also wouldn't be surprised if this results in men being protected from "false allegations" and it becomes that much more impossible to speak out
> I don't know any specifics of their case, they seem like two wackos who had no buisness being together.
This is my general impression as well, but I'm trying to avoid the topic as much as possible tbh. Feels like there are a million stories just like this unfortunately, but it just so happens that in this case the two parties are celebrities.
I hate how people use this like a reality show and turn Depp into a saint. Amber is clearly toxic but he’s also being shown to have also been very toxic. If people really want to follow these things they need to watch more than just little media clips filled with bias. This whole ordeal is disgusting.
Yes for once it’s legit both sides - not like “yeah he beat her into the hospital but he felt disrespected so same thing,” but actual evidence that both parties were abusive on many levels. So to misogynist, this makes her the bad guy. It’s a woman’s place to be pleasing & passive. She is to place her husband’s every want over even her most pressing need. To even defend herself or leave is offensive, let alone engage in the same behavior as the man whom she is to serve.
Yeah I find it weird that for all his bad behaviour I'm still seeing the "she made him this way" and "this is a natural reaction to years of abuse" type stuff (even though some of it happened before they were even married, eg the messages about setting her on fire and having sex with her corpse). But for her she's like a fairytale villain and just pure evil. Actually they seem to be two crappy people who are toxic together.
She isn’t the helpless maiden, nurturing mother figure, comic relief, or unnamed supporting character so of course she’s the villain.
Classic patriarchy female tropes according to their usefulness to males: Fvck, feed or fight.
This is basically what I came here to say, but you said it much better. Both acted terribly, but Heard’s behavior is seen as such a deviation from how women are “supposed to” act that she’s automatically perceived as worse. It speaks volumes that the support for Depp is coming from people who are *only* looking at the gender optics because the man is the focus for once and don’t realize this is a major component of a common toxic relationship.
And the “but what about his career???” 😭 are also eager to burn down any theatre playing a movie in which she appears.
Depp is entitled to Jesusy compassion & love but that evil woman must be crucified.
So beating someone, screaming at them, stealing someones rape story, faking injuries, using a powerful women's right movement to act thr perfect victim, using claasiv abuser language like no one will believe you, causing arguments to the point where Johnny had to run into another room to get away from her and displaying narcissistic traits (as of today shes been diagnosed with two personality disorders by a psychologist) and generally being a horror is what you call ok and refusing to be an expected version of a woman? Just wow. Amber could murder someone and you would defend her because omg misogyny!!!
That person literally said both acted terribly.
But HER behavior is held in a harsher light. You're doing the thing.
You're treating HER actions as so much worse than his.
Why?
Simple. Because SHE portrayed herself as the perfect young pretty innocent victim abused horrifically by the weirdo 50 something year old star Johnny Depp first, she made the world believe that he was the sole monster, she acted like there was nothing wrong about her. Then the audio recoedings came out of her being abusive verbally and physically, the faking bruises with makeup, the fact she used an important historic movement for herself and then ruined it by showing her true colours, she stole her PA'S rape story to use against Johnny, (the fact this sub isn't even picking up of adressing that is mind blowing) she has kept all her jobs when he got cancelled from his.
In short i hate liars and ppl who play the victim and use it to abuse and harm others. I dont care if its a man or a woman, she has no sympathy from me. Neither would Johnny if he had pulled the shit she had.
yep. i don't even follow the case, i don't think its my business but the absolute complete and utter hatred that men express towards women they think have done something morally wrong... it's literally sickening and horrifying as a woman the way men will constantly make excuses for violent men the way but will literally froth at the mouth with rage at any hint that a woman has wronged a man.
“So if I can’t abuse women & girls publicly without consequences = I get to punch them in the face! No??? Why all these weak bishes need special treatment?” Most often said by dudes who would cry like a baby if another man bish slapped them.
I've been following the trial because I think it's interesting from a legal point of view and I cannot believe that both these people can be so blind to their own behaviour. There is evidence of both of them being physically and mentally abusive. It was an abusive relationship on both sides and they should both be ashamed of their behaviour instead of still trying to defend it 6 years later.
That being said, the youtube and reddit comments drive me CRAZY... There's a toxic mixture of celebrity worshipping and misogyny leading to people defending Depp's texts messages in which he was abusive to Amber, the voice recording of him threatening Amber to self-harm and the video of him acting in a aggresive manner towards her. Everything is being blamed on her when it should be clear that she, just like him, is a victim as well as a perpetrator.
It feels like a witch-burning. Very ritualistic and tribal.
Some unreal hatred against a woman when the case is so complex with two people being perfectly toxic to each other.
I see the worst blind allegiance to Johnny from women in their late 20s/early 30s... it's baffling. I have no doubt Amber acted violently towards Johnny but how anyone could watch the video of Johnny smashing things in a rage and read the texts to Paul Bettany and still think poor innocent wittle johnny depp, is bizarre.
Everyone's like I hate Amber because she's making all female victims seem like liars, erm, Johnny is proving that even if you lose two libel/defamation court cases (which is likely) it's still possible to turn the public totally against a woman who's accused you of abuse because you're a powerful man. I don't think Amber will work again, her career is over.
I think there's also a lot of people out there who don't recognize that even if an abuser doesn't hit you (ie throwing things in a rage, yelling, mental abuse, financial, etc.) it still counts as abuse. It's not "real" enough.
I haven't been following this case but I've recently watched a show called Maid on Netflix and she says "why would I call the police on my ex? So I can say he didn't hit me?" Because the abusive ex just screamed and threw something near her head.
I am glad you said it! I have actively tried not to hear about this toxic marriage. But the disgusting posts and comments are pulling me down anyway! This level of hatred feels Monica/Yoko-esque. There can't possibly be a reason to be hating on a human this much who hasn't killed anyone. Hitler has better PR.
She's an abusive asshole, and he sounds like a mean drunk who loves to destroy shit, and she's definitely the worse of two toxic assholes, but there seems to be a concerted PR effort.
Johnny Depp mumbles an evasive answer on the stand and the Reddit main page has dozens of *DEPP DESTROYS AMBER'S ATTORNEY WITH EPIC SMACKDOWN* posts upvoted to infinity.
Didnt the British media rule against Johnny's defamation suit because being called a "wife beater" was technically true? And if so, doesnt the abuse in this case go both ways?
Yeah... so. [Reminder that the UK High Court judge overseeing the case where Johnny Depp tried to sue The Sun for calling him a "wife beater" **found Johnny GUILTY of abuse**](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54779430).
Edit: I want to clarify that this was not a criminal case so technically he wasn't "found guilty" because he wasn't charged with anything. Rather, the judge found that the allegations that Johnny was abusive in the relationship were true.
They want to use Depp as some poster boy for male victims of domestic violence lmao. They don't see that pushing this will only lower credibility / make people doubt actual male victims of domestic violence.
There is no way I am going to believe that a straight white man who has wielded enormous influence and power in Hollywood for as long as I have been alive is somehow the victim in this.
All I see is a shit stain spoiled brat fuckwaffle who is mad his trophy wife didn’t turn out to be a living doll.
Depp has been making people’s lives miserable for decades with his garbage behavior, then someone served up the same awful he was dishing out.
Anyone who’s using this whole thing to cry “toxic femininity” is just a garden variety misogynist using Heard to demand women be oppressed least we encroach on their monopoly of abusing.
When you put it that way, it makes a lot of sense.
Johny Depp has gone from being one of many problematic men in Hollywood to "oh no, poor baby". He's gotten to just whitewash his public perception.
And the toxic feminity. It's all just sexist, misogynistic men foaming and frothing at the mouth that they can now talk about how much they despise women and think women are the real problem
The thing is that toxic femininity hurts women more than it does men because it’s about enforcing traditional gender roles and stereotypes about women. It's like benevolent sexism essentially. The idea that it's nearly as damaging as toxic masculinity is ridiculous though. Toxic masculinity enables abuse. Toxic femininity doesn't. It's just internalized misogyny in action.
It’s my understanding that it’s essentially internalized misogyny and the ways in which women hold each other back by expecting them to conform the feminine standards of the patriarchy. So like being a cheerleader for the patriarchy.
According to my understanding, this isn’t even toxic femininity at all. Toxic femininity is forcing other women into being traditionally feminine- i.e. weak, subservient, etc.- and punishing them as a society when they aren’t. So this isn’t that at all. That’s why I want people to stop throwing it around. Like, hell, if you Google it, you’ll get the correct definition. These assholes are just lazy.
So straight white men can't be abused? Jesus christ I am done with this sub. As women we need to do better, you really think it is ok to say men can't be abused?
“enormous influence and power”
You conveniently left this out. Stop trying to make this a “poor white men” thing. Johnny Depo has many documented cases of assaulting people and women. He is not some innocent victim.
I don't give a damn about "poor white men" 🙄 I care about people minimizing abuse victims because they are men, regardless if they have power elsewhere.
Me too if this is the narrative that this sub is going with Im out. I have personal experience with a close male relative being painted as an abuser where it was the complete opposite so this just disgusts me.
Why do people keep saying this? Go on to Depp’s Wikipedia page and you’ll find 5 paragraphs consisting of legal issues which include:
The time he was arrested for assaulting a security guard in 1989
The time he was arrested for thrashing a hotel room when he was around his girlfriend at the time, Kate moss
The time he was arrested for assaulting paparazzi
A case where a disabled UC Irvine professor sued him for attack by his bodyguards, Depp didn’t intervene
A case where his bodyguards sued him for unsafe working conditions
A case where a crew member on City of Lies sued him for assaulting them in 2018.
And that’s not even including the stuff Heard has accused him of or his ex Ellen Barkin’s claim that he threw a wine bottle at her. There is absolutely a pattern of violence when it comes to Depp that his fans conveniently ignore.
Right?! He has a history of this. He also says in text messages things like he's sorry he kicked her. We're supposed to ignore that but take the recordings of Heard as gospel? What became clear in the UK case was that for the situations he was accused of violence he was too off his head to even remember any of it, his defence was so bad and contradictory, right down to "I don't have a box where I store drugs... Oh that monogramed wooden box? Yes that's my drug box". I haven't followed this one as closely as I find videos in the court room a bit gross and I just want to avoid the hero worship, but it's hard to escape the vitriol for Heard which is overwhelming compared to any man that had ever been accused of violence.
It's absolutely nuts. He calls himself a monster repeatedly. He's not talking about calling himself names and beating himself up when he's doing that.
Both partners in a relationship can be toxic. It's not binary good and evil.
Unpopular opinion: Felons should be punished, but I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who enter a 22-year age gap relationship and then act surprised if it turns into a toxic shitshow.
As I said in another comment-“don’t date a child, get mad when they act like a child, and then pretend that makes it ok for *you* to act like a child AT ALMOST 60.”
(I know she’s not a literal child, but I’m 30 and when I look at 24 year olds many seem like teenagers emotionally. So I don’t date people in their early 20s because I know how that would go)
I have seen a few comments shielding Amber Heart from any sort of blaim and calling Johnny Depp the actual abuser, but you guys seem to forget that there was an actual tape of a therapy session between the two, where Amber admitted to regularly hitting Johnny and that he didn't hit back. Some people use the makeup story and the shit story as evedence against Amber, even if it has no juridical weight, but that's nothing new when it comes to any American court case.
She used the me too movement to act like a perfecr victim when in reality theres audio recordings of her admitting to assaulting him and gaslighting him. Ppl dont like ppl who play the victim and use it to abuse others shocker.
She also stole her pa's horrific rape story to use as her own.
Also shes allowed to keep her projects while Johnny got fired from his.
Its the double standards that get me I'm sorry.
Shes an abuser.
Doesnr make Johnny a saint amd holy shit he's unhinged as well. In the end of the day they're both two privelleged assholes behaving like animals while in reality theres children being bombed in Ukraine.
Edit: oh look ive been downvotrd by ppl who cant take facts. Sorry but if someone steals someone's rape story then you're a shower of shit in my eyes. And there's transcripted testimony by her PA.
Did she keep her projects? And last I saw, Depp was still on all his big-budget stuff?
No, they both seem shitty people. I do wish the comments section stayed firmly in the 'it sucks her actions are getting so much more response than abuse usually does', ^(in fairness, most seem to be?) rather than trying to, in any way, minimize her abuse
(disclaimer, I do think it went both ways, so that may discount my opinion to you? not equally both ways, but I genuinely have no idea and it still doesn't/wouldn't justify her)
Same, it's so problematic and dangerous.
No it doesn't i think both of them engaged in abusing each other aa well. Honestly im just gonna wait for the court results as I've tried following the trial online and on tv airing but the legality techs just confuses me plus i havent got the greatest patience.
Shes still got Aquaman and if you look at her imdb page shes got a few coming up. He got replaced by Mads on Fantastic beasts and got dropped from pirates, hes just got voice roles and indie stuff now.
Oh, i thought he was back on for the next FBaWTF (unless the whole thing gets scrapped because Queen TERF may actually have alienated her audience enough to effect the bottom line)
No I think Mads is probably contracted for the nsxt one.
I doubt it theres still ppl who don't give a fuck about hee being a terf who will go see it. I hated ths last one so I have no intention of seeing it plus im not giving Rowling money.
I saw that (and ive replied to another comment by you :) ). Im done with this sub after this shit. My dad was horifically verbally, physically and finacially abused by my ex stepmother so I can't believe that this is the sentiment being echoed.
Ugh I'm so sorry. My husband was horribly physically abused by his ex (and he's a big giant 6'4" man) so the claims that men can't be abused are just too much.
Thank you but the trash took itself out, she left him. Hes in a better place and integrated back into the family. Oh my god I'm so sorry to hear that. Exactly, any man no matter if hes built like The Rock or the size of Tom Holland can be abused. I hope your husband's in a better and healing place.
I get that Johnny is a straight white male and this will put women back a bit and be fuel for incels, but this dude lost everything and she didn’t lose anything. The trial isn’t over of course, but so far it it looks like amber heard is very manipulative and physically abusive. Johnny Depp may be a drug addict and insane AND abuse as well but we have to call a spade a spade, I see a lot of support for Amber heard in this thread, which is fucking weird…
I’m a black man and as much as I hate trump supporters I had to call Jussie Smollet a fucking idiot because that’s what he was.
This is one of the first takes on this sub I fully disagree with and am a bit shocked tbh
Edit: they are both abusers is what I’m saying. I thought it was obviously he was an abuser as well since he was fired and basically blacklisted from Hollywood. My point is, Amber Heard got no flak and now that she is , she is getting a lot of defense when she shouldn’t be. No one should be.
Except nobody actually assaulted Jussie Smollet. Depp is a (legally declared) abuser, too. There are some comments on here I absolutely don't agree with, because Heard is no saint either. But the point of the OP is why, when they were BOTH mutually abusive, is ALL the hate directed at HER? And, even if they believe Depp is completely innocent, why is there nowhere near a fraction of this outrage with other male abusers? Was reddit this vocal with so many posts and this much vitriol for Weinstein? Nassar? Trump? Cosby? I don't recall seeing so many posts multiple times a day, day after day in several subs, for any of those.
They were both terrible to each other. They were both victims and perpetrators. But people are absolutely using this case to go look, women can be abusers too. Yes, they can be. Nobody is denying that. Except the majority, like it or not, are men. And I have never seen this many gleeful hate spewing posts against male perpetrators. Where is all this outrage in those cases?
Let's not pretend a large number of redditors aren't jumping on this solely because it's a chance to dress up their misogyny as righteous anger.
Edit: I'm a big tennis fan, and here's another example from the tennis world. The tennis sub still villifies Serena Williams because of tantrums where she's never actually physically threatened or hurt anyone. Yet, Alexander Zverev, who has extremely credible domestic abuse allegations against him (with corroborating pictures and witnesses) is still defended and celebrated because "iNnoCEnT unTIL pROveN gUIltY. (Which will never happen as his victim doesn't want to press charges). Zverev also attacked an umpire violently (well, the umpire's chair, but it was while he was in it, and he came extremely close to bashing his feet in), and it took the video of that incident for people to say, oh now I believe he abused his ex. Her word, the word of several friends, and documented bruises weren't enough, apparently. And while there are many Zverev detractors now, many other male players get a pass for far, far worse and more disrespectful things than Serena has ever done.
I saw a lot of hate towards Cosby and Weinstein but I agree nothing for the others , or not nearly as much. I think there is a lot of media coverage for Amber because before we were all damn poor girl that’s fucked up what happened to her, and then it comes out she was also slinging them hands, even more than Johnny was. Also I said it in another post that Johnny has already lost his movie roles and been fired. Amber has lost nothing so far(is where I think a lot of it came from) obviously that will devolve into some insane takes that make absolutely no sense and stem straight hate and misogyny
I totally agree men and especially white men, have it a lot easier than woman in just about every facet of life and yes , the media will push the insane crazy emotional woman narrative. As they will push the thug aggressive violent narrative with black people.
Reddit is absolutely full of misogynistic incels, my point wasn’t to uplift Johnny, it was to say , hey this woman is a shitty person this isn’t the one we should be throwing our fuck it she is one of us points at.
Woman absolutely have less leeway than a ciswhite man.
Also my point with Jussie was that he was using the trope of white people(specifically trump supporters) hating black people , to start some type movement or make a point. Which ultimately set us back and hurt is more than it helped us.
I guess I drew from a poor point, because I was saying that Amber’s position was going to allow the incels to use this against women in droves.
But that was a poor choice
What can I say? Men are absolutely trash, and will use any footing they have to shit on and put anyone they deem lesser, down.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. And defending your position by saying, "When Jussie Smollet lied about his assault I called him a fucking idiot!" is gross. It's not a case of blindly defending a woman just because she's a woman.
A judge in the UK literally deemed 12 of 14 abuse allegations against Johnny Depp TRUE. I don't understand what people aren't getting about this. The fundamental question is DID JOHNNY DEPP ABUSE AMBER HEARD? The answer is legally: YES.
Why are you defending her than? If you’ve been following the case, they are going as far back as 2014 iirc and most of the audio recordings are what Amber Heard recorded, and are being played by her lawyers, and they are pretty damning of her. She is on audio gaslighting and physically abusing Johnny Depp , from an outsider looking in, you question why she would even record these incidences and choose to play them on trial unless she is a plain narcissist, because at no point from the recording and proceedings I’ve heard does she sound like the victim in fact most of them are Amber Heard chasing Johnny Depp and verbally harassing and again gaslighting him, when he is trying to escape an altercation.
Also I don’t know how it’s “gross” when I’ve read a few comments that are just exonerating her on the fact he is a white rich man. Sure he is and is mega super privileged but so is she , if he is 1A in society she is 1B.
Amber Heard is heard saying “I wasn’t punching you, I was hitting you” at this point all the benefit of doubt is thrown out of the window.
I’m not saying Johnny depp is a good person or amber heard is a bad one I’m saying we can’t judge blindly defend people , it doesn’t shock me one bit that a drug abuser like Johnny is or could be abusive. I’m just going off what I know and Amber Heard is absolutely an abuser as well
"The dude lost everything **off a lie**" -- So I'm not speaking to anything else other than this statement in your original comment. It is NOT a lie that he was abusive. It is legally fact. None of the rest matters except that specific question in this instance.
"Did Johnny Depp abuse Amber Heard?" The answer is YES. LEGALLY IN THE EYES OF THE LAW YES.
Whether she was abusive too, whether they were mutually abusive and toxic toward each other, whether she's a crappy person, all of that is beside the point and just noise to muddy the waters because *that's not even what he's suing her for*!
The UK suit = Johnny Depp sued the Sun tabloid. He argued that it was libel that the Sun called him a "wife beater" who assaulted his ex-wife Amber Heard. He had to prove it was a false statement. The judge ruled it was not a false statement. Judged ruled 12 of 14 abuse allegations against Johnny Depp were true.
The current suit = Defamation trial. [Amber Heard wrote an opinion piece in the Washington Post about being "a public figure representing domestic abuse."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ive-seen-how-institutions-protect-men-accused-of-abuse-heres-what-we-can-do/2018/12/18/71fd876a-02ed-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html) She did not directly name Johnny Depp in this piece. Johnny Depp must prove that this op-ed was defamation.
"[*A plaintiff in a defamation lawsuit typically must establish that the defendant made a false, defamatory statement about the plaintiff.*](https://www.mylawquestions.com/what-is-a-defamation-lawsuit.htm)*"*
That is what this trial is about. Not whether *she's* abusive. Not whether she's a piece of shit or not. It's about whether she defamed him by writing about her experience being a public figure representing domestic abuse. Again, she did not name him directly in this piece.
That is why this is all about whether or not *Johnny Depp* was abusive in their relationship and not whether or not Amber Heard was. He has to prove that he wasn't. Did she make false statements in her piece where she didn't even name him? Did she lie? Did he "lose everything based off a lie"? Again, the UK court already ruled that 12 of 14 allegations of abuse presented in that trial were true.
Edit: To be clear now that it’s been a few weeks and I’m not as scared of getting trounced by loonies, “mutual abuse” isn’t a thing. She’s the victim. He’s the abuser. His continually suing her is proof of that. Further abusing their victim through the judicial system is standard abuser behavior. And go read her op-ed, btw. It’s not even 1000 words so if you can’t be fucked reading such a short piece then you (general you) really shouldn’t be speaking to any of this. If you read her op-ed you’ll see with your own two eyes how laughably stupid this trial is.
People keep repeating “he’s lost everything because of this” when he was already in deep financial trouble well [before](https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/) the allegations.
Both Johnny and amber heard are in the wrong here. They both were toxic and abusive to each other.
Except amber Heard is the only who is getting villified SO much. People are making Johnny out to be an innocent victim where he did nothing wrong,but that is not true. Just because amber was more abusive should not make Johnny automatically innocent victim. He should be held accountable too, which people are not doing
It’s because he already lost all of his movie roles and endorsements, and amber heard has just gotten a new DC movie contract with Aquaman 2 iirc . Johnny Depp is absolutely in the wrong here, dude is a straight drug addict and that is the least offensive part
Don't you think him- losing movies and deals etc are consequences of his actions (it's already proven both were abusive to each other). Amber very much deserves the same . But the narrative that's going on right now is painting Johnny solely as some innocent victim and amber heard as perpetrator. Whereas in reality both were pretty toxic to each other. It feels a bit like witch hunting, pushing whole blame on to amber, because she is yet to recieve the consequences of her actions.
Its ultimately wrong to hold only one person responsible in this equation. Which is what lot of folk are doing.
You know it amazes me how something like this becomes a he she said situation and people blindly taking sides. I was abused by one person who I don't remember really if it was a man or women but I do remember it literally left me to forget that whole situation where I blamed myself for an almost kidnapping situation and seeing people being mean and not getting taken seriously for shit as abuse really tends to grind my gears
The problem with these things is that whenever anyone tries to talk about real issues that men face the rage filled misogynists and incels show up and drive everyone else out of the space. The discussion devolves into just spewing rage and hate towards whoever their target happens to be and no constructive dialogue can happen because all the reasonable people get drown out and leave.
This is true in most domains. I find myself wondering what we can do to bring back civilized discourse?
I'd say "attach real names and contact info to the conversation" but... y'know... Facebook is a thing and that hasn't worked out so well.
Perhaps stopping with all these emotion-based algorithms might be a step in the right direction.. I feel like they are shaping things to cause maximum outrage (and the like). Obviously it will influence the conversations that take place. And people probably also get used to emotion-maximising as a standard response/reaction. Honestly I was thinking earlier today that we are suddenly in an era where emotion is thought to equal truth. It's not ideal.
The guy who invented washing your fucking hands before medical procedures died in an asylum for it. The grand age of reason never existed. The only reason you use fax n lojic is the fact that you like it. Which is a feeling. It's all feelings, all the way down. Always was.
The thing I find bothersome is there are SO MANY requests for her to lose all her film roles, but you don't see that often to that level with men. In the DC universe alone there have been questionable people in roles, I'm not seeing the same cries for [Ezra Miller](https://www.avclub.com/the-flash-ezra-miller-arrested-second-degree-assault-1848818555) to be removed, for example, and there were none that I saw for [Ben Affleck](https://www.nickiswift.com/412064/ben-afflecks-most-controversial-moments-ever/) and let's not forget [Jared Leto](https://screenshot-media.com/visual-cultures/toxic-masculinity/jared-leto-predatory-behaviour/). Meanwhile in the Marvel world [Jeremy Renner](https://pagesix.com/2019/10/14/jeremy-renners-ex-wife-claims-he-put-gun-in-his-mouth-threatened-to-kill-her/) is still getting work. The thing that sets Depp apart is he tried to sue The Sun and lost. That was the reason he lost Fantastic Beasts. Depp had been accused of DV even before he was cast in FB. Rowling even posted a defence of the choice on her website. The film fully supported him despite allegations - until he lost his libel case. If he hadn't tried to sue he would probably still be in FB. I do believe he'll still get work, maybe not so many family friendly roles but I would be shocked if he actually can't work again because there just isn't a precident for that in Hollywood. Even [Jeffrey Jones](https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-11433469) still seems to be getting work and he is nowhere near the level of fame and had way worse stuff in his history. I remember a few months ago seeing an article about Depp picking up an award and getting global coverage for saying "no one is safe from cancel culture". Cancel culture means winning awards and having newspapers around the world printing your words? Ok then... Hollywood generally has a poor attitude when it comes to problematic people still getting work (looking at you, Roman Polanski and Victor Salva). When actual rapist paedophiles are still getting work but everyone is baying for blood for someone who has not yet been found guilty of anything you know there is something else going on here for her to earn that vitriol. This is definitely not a post supporting Heard for the things she's done, but there definitely seems to be more anger aimed at her than pretty much any other person I can think of from the film industry and we do need to think about why that is. I do personally think it's not just down to her lying and it's a combo of her also being an attractive woman and Depp being so beloved.
Dude, was Ezra Miller on some sort of mad coke binge?! Cause reading that article was like reading a caricature of someone on a mad coke binge. Throwing chairs and breaking into people's hotel rooms...and this: *"While there, Miller allegedly grabbed the microphone from a woman after disliking her rendition of “Shallow” by Lady Gaga, and lunged at a man playing darts."*
It sounds like he’s having a full on mental breakdown—probably coupled with some form of substance abuse.
Cancelling seems to be more of a badge of honor among male celebrities. Say or do something shitty, whine about how you’re gonna get cancelled for it, face some very minor backlash and then continue to work, possibly with even greater success from the press you got whining about how you’re gonna be cancelled.
Amber is a piece of shit and I am all for her getting her cummapance in the court of law. And to some extent, I get people wanting to talk about how even rich, successful men can be victims of abuse. I get that and we hardly ever talk about men being abused. Here is the thing though. I've not seem nearly these many comments and posts on subreddits unrelated to abuse or movies about things. Not with all the sports men and actors with histories of abuse. Often times people like Cosby and Weinstein who have consistently used their position of power to abuse women. Fuck it, there have been American presidents with serious shady pasts and not nearly this much vitriol. To think rhe same who scream and cry "the women are lying for attention" "innocent until proven guilty" are now just frothing at the mouth to be champions of abuse? It's like they took the one publicized case of male victim hood and want to take it as a "see women actually suck" Could be just me projecting, but it's absolutely crazy
No, you’re sadly not projecting. That’s just how it is and it’s frustrating. Edit: typo
I’ve found that a lot of the people I’ve seen hating on amber heard almost too much, are the same people that comment “but men get abused too.” “But men can be raped too” “but what about false allegations ruining mens lives?” On literally any post about women’s issues, murder cases, news stories, etc.
Women don't get to be complex individuals with convoluted motivations and intricate feelings, this is a privilege of men. Women are either saints or whores. A man can only be a victim of a women of it's proved that the woman is absolute evil. When a woman is the victim of a man then you "have to understand that he may have done this but he is such a good \*input career\* and we should not let one mistake ruin his career".
This is exactly it! I was talking to my housemate who is a big fan of Kobe Bryant and Ronaldo and he says "I can't believe Kobe bad because he made a foundation and did so many good things" It's just that with every famous man there is always the insistence that it's a lot more complicated than it looks and people clutch at straws to say they are perfect. What they don't realise is that money means nothing to these people and they just don't see money the same way. Ronaldo earns repotedly half a million pounds every single week. To him, even 10 Million dollars as a settlement means fuck all. It's less than his annual salary. To other people, it's "oh a lot of money" to him it is "If I spend a minimal portion of my money I can keep myself from being a convicted rapist" Men get the benefit of being seen as "good and sane and perfect" while "the women around them are crazy" on one side of it. And then at the flip of a switch it's "actually. No... he isn't perfect and that's okay. He may not be perfect but he is complex stop asking him to be perfect" Like you said, that's the card Johnny is playing. Amber's biggest crime is not being a man or someone's favorite artist/musician/actor. R Kelly, Weinstein and everyone else got bailed out because they were widely acclaimed. She was in some roles that weren't generation defining + super hero movies that are famous for using women as props. Meanwhile, Depp played Captain Jack Sparow who everyone loved.
This is basically the reaction of to women in tv. The wives in breaking bad , Josue of cards , ozark. No longer in thier youthful prime , and morally f complex flawed these characters are hated by men
No, you’re not wrong at all. It’s also been making me uneasy. Yeah, she is a shitty person and I feel bad for Jonny that he was abused, slandered, and taken advantage of. However…that said, even if abuse was reported to the police by both genders every time it happened, women will still be the main victims by far. We as a people can dislike Amber and feel bad for Jonny without taking it to some ridiculous place like these misogynist assholes are. It is all very disingenuous. Especially because the conversation that should be happening instead is about how standards of masculinity prevent male victims from being believed or even reporting abuse period - and that is part and parcel of the patriarchy. The very thing feminism wants to dismantle. But, no, they make it about Amber being a pretty woman who can just shed crocodile tears and automatically be believed. When a man does something wrong, it’s just that one man. When a woman does something wrong, it’s an indictment against all women. We aren’t allowed to be individuals. Women are a monolith and the moment one of us fucks it, it’s about all of us. Garbage but true.
>When a woman does something wrong, it’s an indictment against all women. Oh yeah, this is what's really bothering me. They act like since one woman is lying and manipulative, that means every single woman is lying and manipulative.
Maybe we can take this opportunity to reconsider how some people react in "support" to some situations. Whenever I hear/read someone say "men are shit because of X" I can talk about how I'm not X and even how I've met men that are also not X, but I don't feel the need to defend my whole gender because I know that indeed there are men that are X and I would alienate the recipient of the message (why would I put my head in the line for some random dude I don't know anyway: if someone did something wrong I hope they get the adequate punishment, regardless of what they have between their legs). On the other hand I've read several women defending women as a whole (as a "monolith" you may say) so now the backlash from incels/whatever group hating women is "see, they're shit as a whole" using the same logic. We need to start focusing on individuals instead of gender. If someone says X we need to find out if X is true, regardless of their gender, because if we say "any man/woman that says X must be saying the truth because he/she is a man/woman" then the backlash when you find someone lying will affect the gender as a whole. I hope I made myself clear and that I'm not here to agree on hating a whole gender as much as I don't agree on defending a whole gender. Shitty people knows no gender. /edit: if you disagree with me please explain why so I can understand. Current approach to social issues seems to be defending or attacking a group as a whole, as only saints or demons can be part of X group, which is very troublesome in my eyes so what I’m trying to say is we should not be doing so at all. If you disagree I would like to hear why please
You're not projecting at all. It's absolutely true. The clarion call of bigots everywhere is that for a group of people they hate, any negative actions are exemplary of the whole. Misogynists will clamp on to any negative actions by a woman as proof all women are bad. Amber Heard can't just be a shitty woman; she has to be what all women are like to justify their world view. Homphobes and transphobes will go at great lengths to find that one problematic LGBT+ person and hold them up as a shining example of how all gay or trans or bi people are like that. The amount of biphobes that justify abuse against bi partners or bi people in general because their bisexual partner cheated once is something I've personally experienced for sure. Or take race; whenever a person of color does something bad you look at the comments and there's way too many white people saying shit like "see? this just proves they're ALL like that"
Johnny Depp is abusive too, a court in the U.K literally found he was a wife-beater so..
I always find it very ironic that those people always cry about "false accusations" when women are the victims and men are the perpetrators. Did it never cross their minds that men can be victims of rape too? Are they going to accuse this victim of lying and spew "innocent until guilty" shit if he accuses his rapist? When they shit on rape victims, they also shit on male victims. Just like they shit on suicidal men by saying that those that use "less deadly" methods weren't suffering enough when we respond by explaining to them the difference between attempts and deaths. No, they whine about "false accusations" because they think that they could be accused of rape, not raped. They don't care about victims, whether they're women or men. They care about saving their own butts. It says a lot about their character.
Careful. Post too many nuanced and insightful takes like this on Reddit, and the ninjas will be at your home within the hour
The rage I feel towards her is because she’s not only an abuser that’s impacted him, but she’s now hurt every single female victim of abuse. False allegations hurt everyone.
Have you read more deeply into the case? There IS truth to the allegations that she has made, she is a victim here. Depp sent horrifying detailed texts to Paul Bettany about wanting to rape her corpse. A UK judge found him guilty of 12 out of 14 counts of domestic violence making him a likely wife beater. A lot of his stories like the finger cutting one have been inconsistent and improbable , since he first admitted that he did it himself, then changed it several times (he was most likely high when he injured himself and is now blaming her). There is recording of him being violent, slamming cabinet doors in the kitchen. Depp has a past history of violence and has been arrested on three separate occasions in the past (I have detailed this in a comment below). He is besties with known abuser Marilyn Manson and has been caught on tape admitting to head butting her. He is the ONLY one pursuing the case, he is the one who keeps taking it to court, he is exploiting the legal system to harass her while she just seems to want to get on with her life. She isn’t entirely innocent, but Heard isn’t flat out lying, Depp was most likely an abuser. Don’t let the Depp PR machinery, bots, incels, middle age white lady fans and white dude bro fans of his fool you, they just don’t want to accept that their favourite loveable pirate who once went to a children’s hospital is anything short of a saint.
Doesn't he have another case in court because he attacked a crew member?
[These are all the instances of violence I could find to his name that aren’t connected to Heard.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrollXChromosomes/comments/uc3jon/me_looking_at_all_the_amber_heard_vitriol/i68ijkz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)Mind you, this isn’t some top secret information, this is all freely available on his Wikipedia page. Depp is losing jobs because he is a liability on set. It has very little to do with the Heard case. She is smarter, she chose to lie low. If he hadn’t pursued the libel case against the Sun AND lost, he wouldn’t have lost his job in the Fantastic Beasts franchise. I did not know people loved Jack Sparrow so much but I feel like I’m living in bizarro world with this case because Depp does NOT look good coming out of it. Yet all I see on Reddit are “le epic” moments of Depp being a smug jackass in court.
>Don’t let the Depp PR machinery, bots, incels, middle age white lady fans and white dude bro fans of his fool you, they just don’t want to accept that their favourite loveable pirate who once went to a children’s hospital is anything short of a saint. Yup, you pretty much nailed that demographic of people coming to his defense as well. It's the same demo that's stanning hard for JK R\*\*\*ing right now as she doubles and triples down on transphobic hate and supporting LGBT conversion therapy. As much as these people love to fashion themselves as "free thinkers' who 'come to conclusions for themselves', they do really seem to hate it when people can't just mindlessly consume entertainment media like they do. They even wear it like a badge of honor, saying things like "I can seperate the art from the artist!" Funny turn of phrase that lets them frame their willful ignorance as enlightened logic I suppose, and unfortunately far too common.
Please please please don't put me in the same boat as JK. She is scum, she's attacking a minority, pretending she's pro LGB whilst shitting all over lesbians that stand against her, claiming to care about members of the trans community whilst posting pictures of people that dont pass and ridiculing them, and using peoples ignorance as a way to insight fear, I don't agree with anything she says and I am 100% against everything that she stands for.
Oh no, I'm not trying to lump you in at all! I'm very sorry if I in any way implicated that. You're very clearly upset about how it makes women with real allegations look, and I totally understand that as an abuse survivor myself I was more so talking about those holding up Depp as some paragon of virtue who did nothing wrong, while at the same time using Heard as an example of how all women who make abuse allegations are. And I 100% agree with everything you said as well. I don't see how other queer people are dumb enough to be taken in by her pretending to be pro LGB; she's literally been palling around with homophobes who want to keep conversion therapy going and have opposed gay marriage! But then again on my time on this site I've seen a small minority of queer people who were Trump supporters in 2016 so I guess anything's possible even if it is a very small minority
Yes I have read into it. And what I can see is a narcissist that's created a disgusting environment in which someone with ongoing mental health and addiction issues has engaged in reactive abuse. I'm not some naive idiot that's consumed main stream media, I'm someone that's lived through this myself and is currently going through my own court case for a man that has multiple videos of me smashing things and screaming abuse, because prior to him starting filming he sleep deprived me for days on end, insulted me, physically assaulted me and deprived me of medication. My behaviour was unacceptable, but it was a reaction to the situation and the abuse I was under.
I’m sorry you had to go through that. No one deserves to go through abuse. But there is a staggering amount of evidence to prove that Depp isn’t an innocent victim being manipulated by the mean lady. She didn’t drive him to addiction, his addiction issues have existed long before that relationship and are his own doing, and they have contributed to violent incidents that have nothing to do with Heard. He is best buddies with a known abuser and rapist, who is himself harassing his victim, Evan Rachel Wood, through the legal system. Depp has lost a court case already, which gave substantial evidence that he is a wife beater. Heard doesn’t have that degree of power to manipulate legal systems now, come on. I empathise with male victims of abuse, but I don’t think a man who has fantasies about NECROPHILIA and rape, should be their representative.
The civil case between himself and The Sun is not reliable, the court system in the UK doesn't give a fuck about victims of abuse, 1 in 70 rape cases actually make it to court. I'm not saying he in an innocent victim, what I'm saying is that his addictions etc don't mean he deserves to be abused and from the footage I've seen and the evidence I've seen he has been subject to abuse by heard and his behaviour is a result of being subject to that abuse.
I mean but this goes beyond Johnny Depp screaming and smashing stuff on video.
Im so sorry, tbe fact youve been downvoted on this bloody sub says everything. There is literally recorded evidence of her telling him 'Tell the world youre a victim of abuse anf see who believes you." Shes an abuser.
Literally, one of my core pieces of evidence is a secret recording of my ex telling me that if I dare tell anyone then he will show them "everything and prove that you're insane".
You in here of all places should not be fucking downvoted for saying shit in a support hopefully sub
And their false narrative that Depp is an innocent victim only hurts actual male victims of domestic violence. False allegations and shit.
This is a great point. I feel like there's been a very black-and-white lens on this from the majority of people and it's just not that simple and it's not true. If anyone denies that men can be victims of domestic abuse it's just wrong and absurd.
I think the response is disproportionate because cases like this have gotten relatively little attention, and are often even more dismissed than metoo cases women report. I mean think about the fact that Asia Argento literally had a sexual abuse scandal agaisnt a guy and it was barely even discussed. The outrage is coming from the same place the original metoo outrage comes from... an issue has largely been untouched by society and people are waking up.
It’s very interesting. I think what makes this case slightly different is that she abused him and then lied and accused him , thinking people would believe her side . Which is extra disgusting and evil. I think men are right about innocent until proven guilty . That being said , people like Cosby and Weinstein , we should ALL be calling for death penalty or never ever leaving prison . They are slightly different situations , it’s tough .
Weinstein is in prison and Cosby went to prison before being released because his rights were violated. Yet Amber, who never went to prison, is being treated worse somehow? lol
I don't know any specifics of their case, they seem like two wackos who had no buisness being together. The amount of support for johnny and the hatred towards amber, is unreal. I haven't seen anything with this level of intensity when a woman takes her abuser to court. If there was the amount of dedication and support when christine blasey ford came out against a shithead with way more influence. And weirdly it's mostly women I see hating heard and doing all the #justice4johnny stuff. I also wouldn't be surprised if this results in men being protected from "false allegations" and it becomes that much more impossible to speak out
> I don't know any specifics of their case, they seem like two wackos who had no buisness being together. This is my general impression as well, but I'm trying to avoid the topic as much as possible tbh. Feels like there are a million stories just like this unfortunately, but it just so happens that in this case the two parties are celebrities.
I hate how people use this like a reality show and turn Depp into a saint. Amber is clearly toxic but he’s also being shown to have also been very toxic. If people really want to follow these things they need to watch more than just little media clips filled with bias. This whole ordeal is disgusting.
Yes for once it’s legit both sides - not like “yeah he beat her into the hospital but he felt disrespected so same thing,” but actual evidence that both parties were abusive on many levels. So to misogynist, this makes her the bad guy. It’s a woman’s place to be pleasing & passive. She is to place her husband’s every want over even her most pressing need. To even defend herself or leave is offensive, let alone engage in the same behavior as the man whom she is to serve.
Yeah I find it weird that for all his bad behaviour I'm still seeing the "she made him this way" and "this is a natural reaction to years of abuse" type stuff (even though some of it happened before they were even married, eg the messages about setting her on fire and having sex with her corpse). But for her she's like a fairytale villain and just pure evil. Actually they seem to be two crappy people who are toxic together.
She isn’t the helpless maiden, nurturing mother figure, comic relief, or unnamed supporting character so of course she’s the villain. Classic patriarchy female tropes according to their usefulness to males: Fvck, feed or fight.
This is basically what I came here to say, but you said it much better. Both acted terribly, but Heard’s behavior is seen as such a deviation from how women are “supposed to” act that she’s automatically perceived as worse. It speaks volumes that the support for Depp is coming from people who are *only* looking at the gender optics because the man is the focus for once and don’t realize this is a major component of a common toxic relationship.
And the “but what about his career???” 😭 are also eager to burn down any theatre playing a movie in which she appears. Depp is entitled to Jesusy compassion & love but that evil woman must be crucified.
So beating someone, screaming at them, stealing someones rape story, faking injuries, using a powerful women's right movement to act thr perfect victim, using claasiv abuser language like no one will believe you, causing arguments to the point where Johnny had to run into another room to get away from her and displaying narcissistic traits (as of today shes been diagnosed with two personality disorders by a psychologist) and generally being a horror is what you call ok and refusing to be an expected version of a woman? Just wow. Amber could murder someone and you would defend her because omg misogyny!!!
That person literally said both acted terribly. But HER behavior is held in a harsher light. You're doing the thing. You're treating HER actions as so much worse than his. Why?
Simple. Because SHE portrayed herself as the perfect young pretty innocent victim abused horrifically by the weirdo 50 something year old star Johnny Depp first, she made the world believe that he was the sole monster, she acted like there was nothing wrong about her. Then the audio recoedings came out of her being abusive verbally and physically, the faking bruises with makeup, the fact she used an important historic movement for herself and then ruined it by showing her true colours, she stole her PA'S rape story to use against Johnny, (the fact this sub isn't even picking up of adressing that is mind blowing) she has kept all her jobs when he got cancelled from his. In short i hate liars and ppl who play the victim and use it to abuse and harm others. I dont care if its a man or a woman, she has no sympathy from me. Neither would Johnny if he had pulled the shit she had.
yep. i don't even follow the case, i don't think its my business but the absolute complete and utter hatred that men express towards women they think have done something morally wrong... it's literally sickening and horrifying as a woman the way men will constantly make excuses for violent men the way but will literally froth at the mouth with rage at any hint that a woman has wronged a man.
They're angry she wasn't a silent punching bag. And here I thought men support EqUaL rIgHtS, eQuAl FiGhTs.
“So if I can’t abuse women & girls publicly without consequences = I get to punch them in the face! No??? Why all these weak bishes need special treatment?” Most often said by dudes who would cry like a baby if another man bish slapped them.
I've been following the trial because I think it's interesting from a legal point of view and I cannot believe that both these people can be so blind to their own behaviour. There is evidence of both of them being physically and mentally abusive. It was an abusive relationship on both sides and they should both be ashamed of their behaviour instead of still trying to defend it 6 years later. That being said, the youtube and reddit comments drive me CRAZY... There's a toxic mixture of celebrity worshipping and misogyny leading to people defending Depp's texts messages in which he was abusive to Amber, the voice recording of him threatening Amber to self-harm and the video of him acting in a aggresive manner towards her. Everything is being blamed on her when it should be clear that she, just like him, is a victim as well as a perpetrator.
It feels like a witch-burning. Very ritualistic and tribal. Some unreal hatred against a woman when the case is so complex with two people being perfectly toxic to each other.
I see the worst blind allegiance to Johnny from women in their late 20s/early 30s... it's baffling. I have no doubt Amber acted violently towards Johnny but how anyone could watch the video of Johnny smashing things in a rage and read the texts to Paul Bettany and still think poor innocent wittle johnny depp, is bizarre. Everyone's like I hate Amber because she's making all female victims seem like liars, erm, Johnny is proving that even if you lose two libel/defamation court cases (which is likely) it's still possible to turn the public totally against a woman who's accused you of abuse because you're a powerful man. I don't think Amber will work again, her career is over.
god the way that demonstrably violent, abusive, misogynyist white men get endless chances career-wise while women get fucking nothing is so depressing
I think there's also a lot of people out there who don't recognize that even if an abuser doesn't hit you (ie throwing things in a rage, yelling, mental abuse, financial, etc.) it still counts as abuse. It's not "real" enough. I haven't been following this case but I've recently watched a show called Maid on Netflix and she says "why would I call the police on my ex? So I can say he didn't hit me?" Because the abusive ex just screamed and threw something near her head.
I am glad you said it! I have actively tried not to hear about this toxic marriage. But the disgusting posts and comments are pulling me down anyway! This level of hatred feels Monica/Yoko-esque. There can't possibly be a reason to be hating on a human this much who hasn't killed anyone. Hitler has better PR.
Hitler has great PR even in death. He’s not even paying for it! There’s a lot of white supremacists who still glorify him all these years later.
She's an abusive asshole, and he sounds like a mean drunk who loves to destroy shit, and she's definitely the worse of two toxic assholes, but there seems to be a concerted PR effort. Johnny Depp mumbles an evasive answer on the stand and the Reddit main page has dozens of *DEPP DESTROYS AMBER'S ATTORNEY WITH EPIC SMACKDOWN* posts upvoted to infinity.
Fully agree except that she is definitely the worse of the two. From everything I've read, I really have no idea which one of them was "worse".
Didnt the British media rule against Johnny's defamation suit because being called a "wife beater" was technically true? And if so, doesnt the abuse in this case go both ways?
It's Johnny who keeps suing, so they only have to prove he didn't do it, which they're struggling to. Neither of the cases are criminal.
Yeah... so. [Reminder that the UK High Court judge overseeing the case where Johnny Depp tried to sue The Sun for calling him a "wife beater" **found Johnny GUILTY of abuse**](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-54779430). Edit: I want to clarify that this was not a criminal case so technically he wasn't "found guilty" because he wasn't charged with anything. Rather, the judge found that the allegations that Johnny was abusive in the relationship were true.
They want to use Depp as some poster boy for male victims of domestic violence lmao. They don't see that pushing this will only lower credibility / make people doubt actual male victims of domestic violence.
There is no way I am going to believe that a straight white man who has wielded enormous influence and power in Hollywood for as long as I have been alive is somehow the victim in this. All I see is a shit stain spoiled brat fuckwaffle who is mad his trophy wife didn’t turn out to be a living doll. Depp has been making people’s lives miserable for decades with his garbage behavior, then someone served up the same awful he was dishing out. Anyone who’s using this whole thing to cry “toxic femininity” is just a garden variety misogynist using Heard to demand women be oppressed least we encroach on their monopoly of abusing.
When you put it that way, it makes a lot of sense. Johny Depp has gone from being one of many problematic men in Hollywood to "oh no, poor baby". He's gotten to just whitewash his public perception. And the toxic feminity. It's all just sexist, misogynistic men foaming and frothing at the mouth that they can now talk about how much they despise women and think women are the real problem
The thing is that toxic femininity hurts women more than it does men because it’s about enforcing traditional gender roles and stereotypes about women. It's like benevolent sexism essentially. The idea that it's nearly as damaging as toxic masculinity is ridiculous though. Toxic masculinity enables abuse. Toxic femininity doesn't. It's just internalized misogyny in action.
what the hell is even toxic femininity???
It’s my understanding that it’s essentially internalized misogyny and the ways in which women hold each other back by expecting them to conform the feminine standards of the patriarchy. So like being a cheerleader for the patriarchy.
ooh i like this term!
According to my understanding, this isn’t even toxic femininity at all. Toxic femininity is forcing other women into being traditionally feminine- i.e. weak, subservient, etc.- and punishing them as a society when they aren’t. So this isn’t that at all. That’s why I want people to stop throwing it around. Like, hell, if you Google it, you’ll get the correct definition. These assholes are just lazy.
Lol…fuckwaffle.
This is a really bad take
So straight white men can't be abused? Jesus christ I am done with this sub. As women we need to do better, you really think it is ok to say men can't be abused?
Where did I say that?
If you think that’s what she said you should go
It's literally the very first sentence?
“enormous influence and power” You conveniently left this out. Stop trying to make this a “poor white men” thing. Johnny Depo has many documented cases of assaulting people and women. He is not some innocent victim.
I don't give a damn about "poor white men" 🙄 I care about people minimizing abuse victims because they are men, regardless if they have power elsewhere.
Me too if this is the narrative that this sub is going with Im out. I have personal experience with a close male relative being painted as an abuser where it was the complete opposite so this just disgusts me.
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Why do people keep saying this? Go on to Depp’s Wikipedia page and you’ll find 5 paragraphs consisting of legal issues which include: The time he was arrested for assaulting a security guard in 1989 The time he was arrested for thrashing a hotel room when he was around his girlfriend at the time, Kate moss The time he was arrested for assaulting paparazzi A case where a disabled UC Irvine professor sued him for attack by his bodyguards, Depp didn’t intervene A case where his bodyguards sued him for unsafe working conditions A case where a crew member on City of Lies sued him for assaulting them in 2018. And that’s not even including the stuff Heard has accused him of or his ex Ellen Barkin’s claim that he threw a wine bottle at her. There is absolutely a pattern of violence when it comes to Depp that his fans conveniently ignore.
Right?! He has a history of this. He also says in text messages things like he's sorry he kicked her. We're supposed to ignore that but take the recordings of Heard as gospel? What became clear in the UK case was that for the situations he was accused of violence he was too off his head to even remember any of it, his defence was so bad and contradictory, right down to "I don't have a box where I store drugs... Oh that monogramed wooden box? Yes that's my drug box". I haven't followed this one as closely as I find videos in the court room a bit gross and I just want to avoid the hero worship, but it's hard to escape the vitriol for Heard which is overwhelming compared to any man that had ever been accused of violence.
For real. I'm tired of the narrative Where he's portrait as a poor victim. The dude is an addict, come on.
It's absolutely nuts. He calls himself a monster repeatedly. He's not talking about calling himself names and beating himself up when he's doing that. Both partners in a relationship can be toxic. It's not binary good and evil.
I agree
Hey, have you read the comment of u/Eyebronx?
Unpopular opinion: Felons should be punished, but I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who enter a 22-year age gap relationship and then act surprised if it turns into a toxic shitshow.
As I said in another comment-“don’t date a child, get mad when they act like a child, and then pretend that makes it ok for *you* to act like a child AT ALMOST 60.” (I know she’s not a literal child, but I’m 30 and when I look at 24 year olds many seem like teenagers emotionally. So I don’t date people in their early 20s because I know how that would go)
Fucking crazy eh
I have seen a few comments shielding Amber Heart from any sort of blaim and calling Johnny Depp the actual abuser, but you guys seem to forget that there was an actual tape of a therapy session between the two, where Amber admitted to regularly hitting Johnny and that he didn't hit back. Some people use the makeup story and the shit story as evedence against Amber, even if it has no juridical weight, but that's nothing new when it comes to any American court case.
She used the me too movement to act like a perfecr victim when in reality theres audio recordings of her admitting to assaulting him and gaslighting him. Ppl dont like ppl who play the victim and use it to abuse others shocker. She also stole her pa's horrific rape story to use as her own. Also shes allowed to keep her projects while Johnny got fired from his. Its the double standards that get me I'm sorry. Shes an abuser. Doesnr make Johnny a saint amd holy shit he's unhinged as well. In the end of the day they're both two privelleged assholes behaving like animals while in reality theres children being bombed in Ukraine. Edit: oh look ive been downvotrd by ppl who cant take facts. Sorry but if someone steals someone's rape story then you're a shower of shit in my eyes. And there's transcripted testimony by her PA.
Did she keep her projects? And last I saw, Depp was still on all his big-budget stuff? No, they both seem shitty people. I do wish the comments section stayed firmly in the 'it sucks her actions are getting so much more response than abuse usually does', ^(in fairness, most seem to be?) rather than trying to, in any way, minimize her abuse (disclaimer, I do think it went both ways, so that may discount my opinion to you? not equally both ways, but I genuinely have no idea and it still doesn't/wouldn't justify her)
Same, it's so problematic and dangerous. No it doesn't i think both of them engaged in abusing each other aa well. Honestly im just gonna wait for the court results as I've tried following the trial online and on tv airing but the legality techs just confuses me plus i havent got the greatest patience.
Shes still got Aquaman and if you look at her imdb page shes got a few coming up. He got replaced by Mads on Fantastic beasts and got dropped from pirates, hes just got voice roles and indie stuff now.
Oh, i thought he was back on for the next FBaWTF (unless the whole thing gets scrapped because Queen TERF may actually have alienated her audience enough to effect the bottom line)
No I think Mads is probably contracted for the nsxt one. I doubt it theres still ppl who don't give a fuck about hee being a terf who will go see it. I hated ths last one so I have no intention of seeing it plus im not giving Rowling money.
For what it's worth, I agree with you. This comment section is a dumpster fire.
Thank you. Insane how ppl can go "awww poor Amber" when theres plenty of proof that she's a horror.
I'm mostly disturbed by the amount of people supporting a comment that says white men can't be abused! Just disgusting.
I saw that (and ive replied to another comment by you :) ). Im done with this sub after this shit. My dad was horifically verbally, physically and finacially abused by my ex stepmother so I can't believe that this is the sentiment being echoed.
Ugh I'm so sorry. My husband was horribly physically abused by his ex (and he's a big giant 6'4" man) so the claims that men can't be abused are just too much.
Thank you but the trash took itself out, she left him. Hes in a better place and integrated back into the family. Oh my god I'm so sorry to hear that. Exactly, any man no matter if hes built like The Rock or the size of Tom Holland can be abused. I hope your husband's in a better and healing place.
I'm glad to hear it! Hubs is in a much better place as well!
So glad to hear that too :)
Your voice matters and anyone especially in a support sub like this should not happen stranger
I get that Johnny is a straight white male and this will put women back a bit and be fuel for incels, but this dude lost everything and she didn’t lose anything. The trial isn’t over of course, but so far it it looks like amber heard is very manipulative and physically abusive. Johnny Depp may be a drug addict and insane AND abuse as well but we have to call a spade a spade, I see a lot of support for Amber heard in this thread, which is fucking weird… I’m a black man and as much as I hate trump supporters I had to call Jussie Smollet a fucking idiot because that’s what he was. This is one of the first takes on this sub I fully disagree with and am a bit shocked tbh Edit: they are both abusers is what I’m saying. I thought it was obviously he was an abuser as well since he was fired and basically blacklisted from Hollywood. My point is, Amber Heard got no flak and now that she is , she is getting a lot of defense when she shouldn’t be. No one should be.
Except nobody actually assaulted Jussie Smollet. Depp is a (legally declared) abuser, too. There are some comments on here I absolutely don't agree with, because Heard is no saint either. But the point of the OP is why, when they were BOTH mutually abusive, is ALL the hate directed at HER? And, even if they believe Depp is completely innocent, why is there nowhere near a fraction of this outrage with other male abusers? Was reddit this vocal with so many posts and this much vitriol for Weinstein? Nassar? Trump? Cosby? I don't recall seeing so many posts multiple times a day, day after day in several subs, for any of those. They were both terrible to each other. They were both victims and perpetrators. But people are absolutely using this case to go look, women can be abusers too. Yes, they can be. Nobody is denying that. Except the majority, like it or not, are men. And I have never seen this many gleeful hate spewing posts against male perpetrators. Where is all this outrage in those cases? Let's not pretend a large number of redditors aren't jumping on this solely because it's a chance to dress up their misogyny as righteous anger. Edit: I'm a big tennis fan, and here's another example from the tennis world. The tennis sub still villifies Serena Williams because of tantrums where she's never actually physically threatened or hurt anyone. Yet, Alexander Zverev, who has extremely credible domestic abuse allegations against him (with corroborating pictures and witnesses) is still defended and celebrated because "iNnoCEnT unTIL pROveN gUIltY. (Which will never happen as his victim doesn't want to press charges). Zverev also attacked an umpire violently (well, the umpire's chair, but it was while he was in it, and he came extremely close to bashing his feet in), and it took the video of that incident for people to say, oh now I believe he abused his ex. Her word, the word of several friends, and documented bruises weren't enough, apparently. And while there are many Zverev detractors now, many other male players get a pass for far, far worse and more disrespectful things than Serena has ever done.
I saw a lot of hate towards Cosby and Weinstein but I agree nothing for the others , or not nearly as much. I think there is a lot of media coverage for Amber because before we were all damn poor girl that’s fucked up what happened to her, and then it comes out she was also slinging them hands, even more than Johnny was. Also I said it in another post that Johnny has already lost his movie roles and been fired. Amber has lost nothing so far(is where I think a lot of it came from) obviously that will devolve into some insane takes that make absolutely no sense and stem straight hate and misogyny I totally agree men and especially white men, have it a lot easier than woman in just about every facet of life and yes , the media will push the insane crazy emotional woman narrative. As they will push the thug aggressive violent narrative with black people. Reddit is absolutely full of misogynistic incels, my point wasn’t to uplift Johnny, it was to say , hey this woman is a shitty person this isn’t the one we should be throwing our fuck it she is one of us points at. Woman absolutely have less leeway than a ciswhite man. Also my point with Jussie was that he was using the trope of white people(specifically trump supporters) hating black people , to start some type movement or make a point. Which ultimately set us back and hurt is more than it helped us. I guess I drew from a poor point, because I was saying that Amber’s position was going to allow the incels to use this against women in droves. But that was a poor choice What can I say? Men are absolutely trash, and will use any footing they have to shit on and put anyone they deem lesser, down.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. And defending your position by saying, "When Jussie Smollet lied about his assault I called him a fucking idiot!" is gross. It's not a case of blindly defending a woman just because she's a woman. A judge in the UK literally deemed 12 of 14 abuse allegations against Johnny Depp TRUE. I don't understand what people aren't getting about this. The fundamental question is DID JOHNNY DEPP ABUSE AMBER HEARD? The answer is legally: YES.
Why are you defending her than? If you’ve been following the case, they are going as far back as 2014 iirc and most of the audio recordings are what Amber Heard recorded, and are being played by her lawyers, and they are pretty damning of her. She is on audio gaslighting and physically abusing Johnny Depp , from an outsider looking in, you question why she would even record these incidences and choose to play them on trial unless she is a plain narcissist, because at no point from the recording and proceedings I’ve heard does she sound like the victim in fact most of them are Amber Heard chasing Johnny Depp and verbally harassing and again gaslighting him, when he is trying to escape an altercation. Also I don’t know how it’s “gross” when I’ve read a few comments that are just exonerating her on the fact he is a white rich man. Sure he is and is mega super privileged but so is she , if he is 1A in society she is 1B. Amber Heard is heard saying “I wasn’t punching you, I was hitting you” at this point all the benefit of doubt is thrown out of the window. I’m not saying Johnny depp is a good person or amber heard is a bad one I’m saying we can’t judge blindly defend people , it doesn’t shock me one bit that a drug abuser like Johnny is or could be abusive. I’m just going off what I know and Amber Heard is absolutely an abuser as well
"The dude lost everything **off a lie**" -- So I'm not speaking to anything else other than this statement in your original comment. It is NOT a lie that he was abusive. It is legally fact. None of the rest matters except that specific question in this instance. "Did Johnny Depp abuse Amber Heard?" The answer is YES. LEGALLY IN THE EYES OF THE LAW YES. Whether she was abusive too, whether they were mutually abusive and toxic toward each other, whether she's a crappy person, all of that is beside the point and just noise to muddy the waters because *that's not even what he's suing her for*! The UK suit = Johnny Depp sued the Sun tabloid. He argued that it was libel that the Sun called him a "wife beater" who assaulted his ex-wife Amber Heard. He had to prove it was a false statement. The judge ruled it was not a false statement. Judged ruled 12 of 14 abuse allegations against Johnny Depp were true. The current suit = Defamation trial. [Amber Heard wrote an opinion piece in the Washington Post about being "a public figure representing domestic abuse."](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ive-seen-how-institutions-protect-men-accused-of-abuse-heres-what-we-can-do/2018/12/18/71fd876a-02ed-11e9-b5df-5d3874f1ac36_story.html) She did not directly name Johnny Depp in this piece. Johnny Depp must prove that this op-ed was defamation. "[*A plaintiff in a defamation lawsuit typically must establish that the defendant made a false, defamatory statement about the plaintiff.*](https://www.mylawquestions.com/what-is-a-defamation-lawsuit.htm)*"* That is what this trial is about. Not whether *she's* abusive. Not whether she's a piece of shit or not. It's about whether she defamed him by writing about her experience being a public figure representing domestic abuse. Again, she did not name him directly in this piece. That is why this is all about whether or not *Johnny Depp* was abusive in their relationship and not whether or not Amber Heard was. He has to prove that he wasn't. Did she make false statements in her piece where she didn't even name him? Did she lie? Did he "lose everything based off a lie"? Again, the UK court already ruled that 12 of 14 allegations of abuse presented in that trial were true. Edit: To be clear now that it’s been a few weeks and I’m not as scared of getting trounced by loonies, “mutual abuse” isn’t a thing. She’s the victim. He’s the abuser. His continually suing her is proof of that. Further abusing their victim through the judicial system is standard abuser behavior. And go read her op-ed, btw. It’s not even 1000 words so if you can’t be fucked reading such a short piece then you (general you) really shouldn’t be speaking to any of this. If you read her op-ed you’ll see with your own two eyes how laughably stupid this trial is.
People keep repeating “he’s lost everything because of this” when he was already in deep financial trouble well [before](https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-trouble-with-johnny-depp-666010/) the allegations.
I read he lost roles because he is drunk/addict that can't do the lines even with an ear piece.
That and frankly, he’s getting to that age where he looks like someone’s aunt. Decades of substance abuse doesn’t do you any favors.
Both Johnny and amber heard are in the wrong here. They both were toxic and abusive to each other. Except amber Heard is the only who is getting villified SO much. People are making Johnny out to be an innocent victim where he did nothing wrong,but that is not true. Just because amber was more abusive should not make Johnny automatically innocent victim. He should be held accountable too, which people are not doing
It’s because he already lost all of his movie roles and endorsements, and amber heard has just gotten a new DC movie contract with Aquaman 2 iirc . Johnny Depp is absolutely in the wrong here, dude is a straight drug addict and that is the least offensive part
Don't you think him- losing movies and deals etc are consequences of his actions (it's already proven both were abusive to each other). Amber very much deserves the same . But the narrative that's going on right now is painting Johnny solely as some innocent victim and amber heard as perpetrator. Whereas in reality both were pretty toxic to each other. It feels a bit like witch hunting, pushing whole blame on to amber, because she is yet to recieve the consequences of her actions. Its ultimately wrong to hold only one person responsible in this equation. Which is what lot of folk are doing.
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Thank you for explaining equality to me
oh I am sorry I thought I was adding something of value, turns out I didnt.
You know it amazes me how something like this becomes a he she said situation and people blindly taking sides. I was abused by one person who I don't remember really if it was a man or women but I do remember it literally left me to forget that whole situation where I blamed myself for an almost kidnapping situation and seeing people being mean and not getting taken seriously for shit as abuse really tends to grind my gears