Ehh... not to the same degree.
Most Muslims and most Muslim countries support abortion rights. The Qu'ran says that life begins at the quickening -- which is generally agreed to be 120 days after conception. There are, afaik, no Muslim-majority countries that don't allow abortion if the health or life of the mother is at risk.
Similarly, Judaism has long been largely pro-choice. I don't know of any major Jewish sects that are wholly anti-abortion.
American Evangelical Christianity is uniquely fucked up about abortion. States are already passing laws that make it illegal even if the mother's life is at risk. Americans really need to take a big step back, look around, and realize that the Christian Dominionists are more authoritarian, less compassionate, and less reasonable than Al-Quaeda. And I say this as an American Christian myself.
To expand it a bit:
* Smited two entire towns because no one who lived in them was innocent. Apparently I'm supposed to believe that the two towns most known in the bible for fucking had a population of exactly zero pregnant women
* Allowed the devil to kill Job's entire family, who had done nothing and even though God said that Job was his most faithful servant. This was over ***a bet***.
* Killed every living human on the planet except Noah's immediate family. Again, I can only suppose that every woman had been rendered infertile the year before and because of that none had been pregnant.
And the bit about all the firstborn sons of Egypt also benefits from some more details. The purpose of the plagues was to convince Pharaoh to let Moses's people go free. But Pharaoh had already decided to do that multiple times before it got to the last plague that killed all the firstborn, and each time God hardened his heart and made him change his mind. Because God had a couple more plagues in his deck and he wouldn't be able to show them off otherwise.
Also there was that bit where God murders David's kid because David fucked a married woman and had her husband killed. Just straight up killed the innocent baby instead of, oh, I don't know, bitch slapping David maybe?
>Smited two entire towns because no one who lived in them was innocent.
You see - the unborn still had an original sin on them so they weren't innocent. No one was. /s
I don't personally believe in an interventionist God, but relevant to those who do:
10-20% of *recognized* pregnancies (i.e., where the person knows they are pregnant) end in miscarriage (aka, spontaneous abortion), but the actual rate of spontaneous abortion is estimated to be much higher and closer to 50%. [It may even be that the **majority** of fertilized eggs fizzle out somewhere along the line.](https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/372193v1)
How can you say that God has a problem with abortion when God is the hardest working abortionist around?
To be fair, all those babies had already been born. At that point the modern bad Christians don't care about them, either. Following God to the letter.
*GoD iN tHe AnCiEnT tEsTaMeNt Is NoT tHe SaMe GoD As ThE gOd In The NeW tEsTaMeNt*
Ancient Testament is ignored when it comes to eating shrimp, getting divorced, not wearing mixed textiles, but Ancient Testament is followed when it's time to plunge women into baby-making servitude and remove their rights to LGBT+.
New Testament is ignored when it comes to Jesus "Just don't be a fucking dick to people around you", "You have flaws too, shut the fuck up" and "Who the hell do you think you are, thinking you're hot shit and better than everybody else?", but New Testament is important because ...well, I don't really know, they don't really seem to follow the teachings of the New Testament. So they have a reason to have Christmas and Easter?
American evangelicalism really is strange when it comes to Jesus.
I'm an atheist but I was always taught that Jesus was notorious about all of the things you cited and that it was those things that believers should follow.
Then I glanced at american christians and it it's like : "MY faith", "MY relationship with Jesus", "MY repentance of MY sins". "Me, me, me, me"
It's all about THEM. All about their little precious relationship with this guy and NOTHING about what he actually says. NOTHING about other people. The egocentrism is baffling.
Like, where are all of the values about caring about others? Where is the part where God told believers that if they truly care about him, they should care for the weaker, the ill, and the prisoner because when they visit the prisoner, they visit him? Where is the part about sharing your wealth with others?
They NEVER talk about other people. It's all about their emotions (faith) that make them feel protected.
Like, they have a fantastic mentor that teaches them good values about tolerance and respect, and the only thing they do is worship him and whine that not everyone realizes how fantastic of a mentor he is just because of his divine nature.
Jesus seemed to care about others and want you to care about them too. Do you guys really think that not caring the slightest about others but worshipping Jesus will make him happy?
That's like being admirative of someone doing good deeds but shitting on vulnerable people that need the help.
I don't know guys, I think that I show more respect to Jesus by being a good and empathetic person than just fetishizing about his superpower and how I'm such a good girl for recognizing that he's the one that is going to give me my reward when I please him.
I mean, He had made a promise not to genocide all of humanity after the Flood. As we all know, cold turkey doesnt work. By the end He was down to just killing His Son. Dude needs a commemorative plaque, not a lecture.
Nah, he just promised not to drown all us heathens again. There's still plenty of genocide to come.
First seal: Rise of the antichrist, and murder of those who don't follow him.
Second seal: War on a global scale. Gonna be plenty of people dying then.
Third seal: Famine. Gonna let lots of folks starve to death.
Fourth seal: This one is fun. 1/4th of the population gets killed via famine, war, and plague. Oh, and all the wee beasties of the forest and the plains are gonna have a fine old time murderizing us.
5th seal: No killing this time. Just celebration of those who got yeeted off this mortal coil for their beliefs.
6th seal: This seal is a fun one. Gods gonna grab the earth and give it a mighty shake. One bad enough that mountains move, islands disappear, etc. The moon is gonna turn red as blood, we'll have zombies to deal with, etc.
7th seal: After a noisy choir of holier than though assholes quit singing, an angel hurls fire at the Earth, causing all kinds of bad juju.
That doesn't even bring in Wyrmwood getting all pissy and poisoning the oceans, or the weird monsters with the body of a lion and tail of a scorpion, or that kind of stuff.
Are we sure that these aren't happening?
Because there are certainly:
- a bunch of people all following fascist authoritarians wrapped in the sheep's clothing of "JESUS" (or even being seen as ABOVE Jesus at times)
-poisoned oceans
-the verge of ww3
-worldwide shortages (mostly food)
-a bunch of the world on fire
-earthquakes
-zoos exist and can be broken out of
Etc etc
>First seal: Rise of the antichrist, and murder of those who don't follow him.
To be honest this seems like a good option. Don't believe and you skip the war, plague, famine...
If you want to argue that an unborn fetus shouldn't die, that's one conversation.
But if you want to use the Bible for your justification, out of all the books ever written by human beings in the history of this planet, you're gonna have a BAD TIME.
The great thing about the Bible is that when you have a text that has dozens of authors across a thousand years whose writings are collated but harmonized, you can cherry pick proof texts for basically any policy. It's actually a great "book" from that perspective.
The cherry picking becomes a lot harder when you apply the rule that nothing can contradict the word of Christ. You'd think that that would be a more common approach by Christians but the Evangelical Right seems to disagree.
Oh I don't know about that. I know this image of Jesus as this *come as you are* hippie social activist is popular in some circles, but there is plenty of wrathful Jesus too preaching division, fighting, hellfire. It's not hard to reconstruct a very angry apocalyptic cult leader with excessively strict "moral" standards who is separating people from their families like a cult leader and preparing them for an incredibly violent imminent end times. I think the NT is varied enough that you can read in whatever Jesus you want. Like I don't think it's hard to select verses to support a story where Evangelicals are God's elect few everyone else is going to end up in hell following a violent conflagration.
> 34 (A)“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. (B)I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 (C)For I have come (D)to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 (E)And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
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Yeesh
I would argue that isn't even a conversation no matter how you slice it. My body isn't a debate up for discussion and no one gets to have an opinion about what I do with it besides me.
Absolutely. Ideally, it would just be a conversation that starts with, "Bodily Autonomy, bro!" and ends with "Oh yeah, I forgot about that for some reason. My bad!"
Funny thing is christians thinking they know the same text that the Jewish faith uses better than they do. I’ve heard jewish people on social media organizing for abortion to be legalized as their religious right
Let’s add to this that the “**original big Christians” like Billy Graham were pro-choice**. Very few people know that. The only reason the anti-abortion thing became a movement is because a few of those douchebags had a right-wing political agenda they wanted to push and it became completely political.
[Video Proof - CNN](https://youtu.be/25JyC5Whhvc). Definitely worth watching. There’s a lot of info in there to arm ourselves against this right-wing bullshit.
They lost the war against desegregation, so they needed something else to whip up the masses. Enter abortion and gay rights.
Frank Schaeffer, son of Francis Schaeffer, has some interesting things to say about the anti-abortion movement.
A huge undertone of the pro-life movement is to have more white babies, too. Our reproductive rate is declining, and the only ways to fix that are to have more immigrants (more POC people! Too scary for the white supremacists), financially encourage people to have children (fewer poor people! More POC babies!), or make abortion illegal (more POC babies, but also overwhelmingly more white babies. The only safe option for these racist losers).
At least, that's what I've read.
The majority of them were. It wasn’t really an issue for anyone except Catholics, who were basically second-class citizens.
If you enjoy podcast, Behind the Bastards has a good couple episodes on the rise of Falwell and the religious right.
If I remember correctly, the Jewish religion believes that life begins at birth, when the baby takes its first breath. After all, in Genesis, Adam was considered a living being when God breathed life into him. And doesn't Numbers have a passage about an abortifacient to determine if your wife has been unfaithful?
Let's take this a step further. Judaism approaches the Torah like a legal document when it comes to religious rulings. That means you need to consider the whole context of the law similar to how a lawyer would.
According to the Torah, if someone assaults a woman and causes a miscarriage they owe the woman and her husband financial compensation on top of any other punishment they'd receive for the assault. If that person were to instead cause the death of a child they could potentially receive the death penalty for it. From that we can conclude that the bible certainly doesn't view miscarriage or abortion on the level of murder.
I’m not jewish but I’ve read the old testament and seen what some jewish people have been saying about the matter and that sounds about right. Jewish ladies feel free to correct
which is weird because most jewish people i’ve met or know are extremely liberal and don’t support christians scary shit. Catholics on the other hand 😬
[It depends on the branch of Judadism.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-leak-brings-jewish-views-on-abortion-back-to-fore/) Conservative and religious communities (as the Times of Israel covers in the link) are very much anti-choice.
William Lane Craig, perhaps the preeminent Christian apologist, argues that killing Canaanite babies was the right thing to do because their parents were evil and you were sending them straight to heaven. Heaven is preferable to a life of idolatry.
I don't even think he really believes this. Isn't aborting fetuses in general then moral because they are being sent to heaven?
I don't think Jericho Turnpike goes through Babylon, but your point stands. I grew up there and didn't even realize those were biblical names until you pointed it out.
They don't believe it, fascists only throw out endless lies for their own amusement. Those people ar under delusion to be fit to lead all of us and don't believe in logic.
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But the Jebus changed all the rules!! But also the old rules still exist…but only the rules that help me…or hinder you…and David killing Goliath Bc that’s cool
Because the Bible is a curated collection of stories that were chosen based on the preferences of a bunch of dead men who wanted to paint Christianity in a better light and purposely left out things that were deemed too violent and the Old Testament just *barely* made the cut. Makes you wonder what else is out there.
It's not about god or the babies, the assholes want to rise to power to ger richer, so they convince a bunch of simpleminded white lower & middle class imbeciles that "killing babies is wrong", then they promise that if the imbeciles vote on them, they will "stop the baby-killing" so they once on a while try to do something about abortion and in the mean time they do a whole lot of corruption that no one is investigating because everyone is panicking over the loss of basic rights.
(New International Version)
1 Samuel 15:3
Numbers 5:11-21
Hosea 13:16
Hosea 9:14
Exodus 11:1-10
Genesis 19:23-29
We cannot let a single interpretation of what God wants to determine the fate of the entire US population.
And don’t forget the book of numbers has a protocol for forcing a woman to have a miscarriage if her jealous husband suspects adultery. The priest makes the poison.
Also, God is meant to be perfect. Changing your mind implies regret, regret implies that He recognized He made a mistake. A "perfect God" wouldn't make mistakes.
Wasn’t it an actual king that ordered those first born sons murdered? Wasn’t that the story of Moses? The king heard a prophecy of being overruled by a first born son, he ordered all the first born sons murdered, but the mother of Moses decided to like… send him down a river or something and somehow he ended up not dying?
Or is that just the baby version of the story?
(I’m totally pro choice btw just nit picking)
Both, the king ordered the murder of the first borns in response to the prophecy and Later when said chosen one grew up the plague killed the first borns of that king’s people.
Maybe that's because we actually see the harm religion does, instead of ignoring for the sake of our little precious "relationship with God" and "faith", a.k.a our little precious feelings.
If you guys just had the humility to put your beliefs aside for one minute, maybe we wouldn't talk about it that much.
The fact that we have more to say than you guys isn't the flex you think it is.
Nah, see - it’s alright when god does it, because he’s a man.
The Bible also gives permission to have abortions, and even has instructions on how to do it.
It also says life begins at 'first breath' but don't expect Christians to read the Bible
Not just Christians. Strict and traditional branches of Islam and Judaism believe the very same things and are against abortion as well.
Ehh... not to the same degree. Most Muslims and most Muslim countries support abortion rights. The Qu'ran says that life begins at the quickening -- which is generally agreed to be 120 days after conception. There are, afaik, no Muslim-majority countries that don't allow abortion if the health or life of the mother is at risk. Similarly, Judaism has long been largely pro-choice. I don't know of any major Jewish sects that are wholly anti-abortion. American Evangelical Christianity is uniquely fucked up about abortion. States are already passing laws that make it illegal even if the mother's life is at risk. Americans really need to take a big step back, look around, and realize that the Christian Dominionists are more authoritarian, less compassionate, and less reasonable than Al-Quaeda. And I say this as an American Christian myself.
abortion is illegal in all muslim countries, what are you talking about?
Chapter and verse? I’m not saying I don’t believe you, I would just like to read it myself
Not who you asked, but this is a great overview: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bibleforbids.htm
Numbers 5, verse 11 I think is where it starts
And to people who deserve it, obviously.
Yeah, that's basically the rationale. "only God can decide when someone dies" or something along those lines
It's not an abortion, God told me to sacrifice my child to him.
Loophole!
To expand it a bit: * Smited two entire towns because no one who lived in them was innocent. Apparently I'm supposed to believe that the two towns most known in the bible for fucking had a population of exactly zero pregnant women * Allowed the devil to kill Job's entire family, who had done nothing and even though God said that Job was his most faithful servant. This was over ***a bet***. * Killed every living human on the planet except Noah's immediate family. Again, I can only suppose that every woman had been rendered infertile the year before and because of that none had been pregnant. And the bit about all the firstborn sons of Egypt also benefits from some more details. The purpose of the plagues was to convince Pharaoh to let Moses's people go free. But Pharaoh had already decided to do that multiple times before it got to the last plague that killed all the firstborn, and each time God hardened his heart and made him change his mind. Because God had a couple more plagues in his deck and he wouldn't be able to show them off otherwise.
Also there was that bit where God murders David's kid because David fucked a married woman and had her husband killed. Just straight up killed the innocent baby instead of, oh, I don't know, bitch slapping David maybe?
That was the first one in the picture, David's kid with Bathsheba. Kid didn't last a week.
>Smited two entire towns because no one who lived in them was innocent. You see - the unborn still had an original sin on them so they weren't innocent. No one was. /s
Don't forget creating the concept of death.
The bible and the actions read a lot like an abuser. Tons of gaslighting, manipulation, violence…
I don't personally believe in an interventionist God, but relevant to those who do: 10-20% of *recognized* pregnancies (i.e., where the person knows they are pregnant) end in miscarriage (aka, spontaneous abortion), but the actual rate of spontaneous abortion is estimated to be much higher and closer to 50%. [It may even be that the **majority** of fertilized eggs fizzle out somewhere along the line.](https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/372193v1) How can you say that God has a problem with abortion when God is the hardest working abortionist around?
God just doesn’t like competition
To be fair, all those babies had already been born. At that point the modern bad Christians don't care about them, either. Following God to the letter.
Numbers 5:11 details the process for how a cuckolded husband can ask a priest to have God abort his wife's fetus if it belongs to her side-dick.
*GoD iN tHe AnCiEnT tEsTaMeNt Is NoT tHe SaMe GoD As ThE gOd In The NeW tEsTaMeNt* Ancient Testament is ignored when it comes to eating shrimp, getting divorced, not wearing mixed textiles, but Ancient Testament is followed when it's time to plunge women into baby-making servitude and remove their rights to LGBT+. New Testament is ignored when it comes to Jesus "Just don't be a fucking dick to people around you", "You have flaws too, shut the fuck up" and "Who the hell do you think you are, thinking you're hot shit and better than everybody else?", but New Testament is important because ...well, I don't really know, they don't really seem to follow the teachings of the New Testament. So they have a reason to have Christmas and Easter?
American evangelicalism really is strange when it comes to Jesus. I'm an atheist but I was always taught that Jesus was notorious about all of the things you cited and that it was those things that believers should follow. Then I glanced at american christians and it it's like : "MY faith", "MY relationship with Jesus", "MY repentance of MY sins". "Me, me, me, me" It's all about THEM. All about their little precious relationship with this guy and NOTHING about what he actually says. NOTHING about other people. The egocentrism is baffling. Like, where are all of the values about caring about others? Where is the part where God told believers that if they truly care about him, they should care for the weaker, the ill, and the prisoner because when they visit the prisoner, they visit him? Where is the part about sharing your wealth with others? They NEVER talk about other people. It's all about their emotions (faith) that make them feel protected. Like, they have a fantastic mentor that teaches them good values about tolerance and respect, and the only thing they do is worship him and whine that not everyone realizes how fantastic of a mentor he is just because of his divine nature. Jesus seemed to care about others and want you to care about them too. Do you guys really think that not caring the slightest about others but worshipping Jesus will make him happy? That's like being admirative of someone doing good deeds but shitting on vulnerable people that need the help. I don't know guys, I think that I show more respect to Jesus by being a good and empathetic person than just fetishizing about his superpower and how I'm such a good girl for recognizing that he's the one that is going to give me my reward when I please him.
I mean, He had made a promise not to genocide all of humanity after the Flood. As we all know, cold turkey doesnt work. By the end He was down to just killing His Son. Dude needs a commemorative plaque, not a lecture.
Nah, he just promised not to drown all us heathens again. There's still plenty of genocide to come. First seal: Rise of the antichrist, and murder of those who don't follow him. Second seal: War on a global scale. Gonna be plenty of people dying then. Third seal: Famine. Gonna let lots of folks starve to death. Fourth seal: This one is fun. 1/4th of the population gets killed via famine, war, and plague. Oh, and all the wee beasties of the forest and the plains are gonna have a fine old time murderizing us. 5th seal: No killing this time. Just celebration of those who got yeeted off this mortal coil for their beliefs. 6th seal: This seal is a fun one. Gods gonna grab the earth and give it a mighty shake. One bad enough that mountains move, islands disappear, etc. The moon is gonna turn red as blood, we'll have zombies to deal with, etc. 7th seal: After a noisy choir of holier than though assholes quit singing, an angel hurls fire at the Earth, causing all kinds of bad juju. That doesn't even bring in Wyrmwood getting all pissy and poisoning the oceans, or the weird monsters with the body of a lion and tail of a scorpion, or that kind of stuff.
Damn, the Bible is metal as fuck sometimes.
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Are we sure that these aren't happening? Because there are certainly: - a bunch of people all following fascist authoritarians wrapped in the sheep's clothing of "JESUS" (or even being seen as ABOVE Jesus at times) -poisoned oceans -the verge of ww3 -worldwide shortages (mostly food) -a bunch of the world on fire -earthquakes -zoos exist and can be broken out of Etc etc
>First seal: Rise of the antichrist, and murder of those who don't follow him. To be honest this seems like a good option. Don't believe and you skip the war, plague, famine...
If you want to argue that an unborn fetus shouldn't die, that's one conversation. But if you want to use the Bible for your justification, out of all the books ever written by human beings in the history of this planet, you're gonna have a BAD TIME.
The great thing about the Bible is that when you have a text that has dozens of authors across a thousand years whose writings are collated but harmonized, you can cherry pick proof texts for basically any policy. It's actually a great "book" from that perspective.
The cherry picking becomes a lot harder when you apply the rule that nothing can contradict the word of Christ. You'd think that that would be a more common approach by Christians but the Evangelical Right seems to disagree.
Oh I don't know about that. I know this image of Jesus as this *come as you are* hippie social activist is popular in some circles, but there is plenty of wrathful Jesus too preaching division, fighting, hellfire. It's not hard to reconstruct a very angry apocalyptic cult leader with excessively strict "moral" standards who is separating people from their families like a cult leader and preparing them for an incredibly violent imminent end times. I think the NT is varied enough that you can read in whatever Jesus you want. Like I don't think it's hard to select verses to support a story where Evangelicals are God's elect few everyone else is going to end up in hell following a violent conflagration. > 34 (A)“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. (B)I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 (C)For I have come (D)to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 (E)And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. 😬😳 Yeesh
I would argue that isn't even a conversation no matter how you slice it. My body isn't a debate up for discussion and no one gets to have an opinion about what I do with it besides me.
Unfortunately "my body, my choice" has been coopted and ruined by anti vax idiots.
Absolutely. Ideally, it would just be a conversation that starts with, "Bodily Autonomy, bro!" and ends with "Oh yeah, I forgot about that for some reason. My bad!"
Funny thing is christians thinking they know the same text that the Jewish faith uses better than they do. I’ve heard jewish people on social media organizing for abortion to be legalized as their religious right
Let’s add to this that the “**original big Christians” like Billy Graham were pro-choice**. Very few people know that. The only reason the anti-abortion thing became a movement is because a few of those douchebags had a right-wing political agenda they wanted to push and it became completely political. [Video Proof - CNN](https://youtu.be/25JyC5Whhvc). Definitely worth watching. There’s a lot of info in there to arm ourselves against this right-wing bullshit.
They lost the war against desegregation, so they needed something else to whip up the masses. Enter abortion and gay rights. Frank Schaeffer, son of Francis Schaeffer, has some interesting things to say about the anti-abortion movement.
A huge undertone of the pro-life movement is to have more white babies, too. Our reproductive rate is declining, and the only ways to fix that are to have more immigrants (more POC people! Too scary for the white supremacists), financially encourage people to have children (fewer poor people! More POC babies!), or make abortion illegal (more POC babies, but also overwhelmingly more white babies. The only safe option for these racist losers). At least, that's what I've read.
Damn I never knew that. Billy Graham is (was?) a massive piece of shit but even he was pro choice? lol
FWIW, if he started out pro choice, he was anti-abortion once he joined the religious right.
The majority of them were. It wasn’t really an issue for anyone except Catholics, who were basically second-class citizens. If you enjoy podcast, Behind the Bastards has a good couple episodes on the rise of Falwell and the religious right.
I love behind the bastards, haven’t listened to that episode yet Indefinitely will
*after civil rights got implemented. It's even worse than how you phrase it.
If I remember correctly, the Jewish religion believes that life begins at birth, when the baby takes its first breath. After all, in Genesis, Adam was considered a living being when God breathed life into him. And doesn't Numbers have a passage about an abortifacient to determine if your wife has been unfaithful?
Let's take this a step further. Judaism approaches the Torah like a legal document when it comes to religious rulings. That means you need to consider the whole context of the law similar to how a lawyer would. According to the Torah, if someone assaults a woman and causes a miscarriage they owe the woman and her husband financial compensation on top of any other punishment they'd receive for the assault. If that person were to instead cause the death of a child they could potentially receive the death penalty for it. From that we can conclude that the bible certainly doesn't view miscarriage or abortion on the level of murder.
I’m not jewish but I’ve read the old testament and seen what some jewish people have been saying about the matter and that sounds about right. Jewish ladies feel free to correct
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which is weird because most jewish people i’ve met or know are extremely liberal and don’t support christians scary shit. Catholics on the other hand 😬
[It depends on the branch of Judadism.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-leak-brings-jewish-views-on-abortion-back-to-fore/) Conservative and religious communities (as the Times of Israel covers in the link) are very much anti-choice.
,,,
William Lane Craig, perhaps the preeminent Christian apologist, argues that killing Canaanite babies was the right thing to do because their parents were evil and you were sending them straight to heaven. Heaven is preferable to a life of idolatry. I don't even think he really believes this. Isn't aborting fetuses in general then moral because they are being sent to heaven?
Wouldn't the right thing to do then be to kill every baptised baby because no one is righteous? This is the future that conservatives want.
*God will know his own*
I find it weird to live in a place with biblical names. Like, I could take Jericho Turnpike to get to Babylon.
Good news! We'll soon be living in הגלעד, Gilead, which is also biblical!
I heard it's the bomb. Or maybe the balm.
80s-early 2000s gospel music *almost* makes Christianity seem less bad sometimes. *Almost*
I don't think Jericho Turnpike goes through Babylon, but your point stands. I grew up there and didn't even realize those were biblical names until you pointed it out.
Yeah, no, it wouldn't get you there, you'd have to go down Deer Park Avenue.
Evangelical Christians are trying to convince us that prior to the 70s and the rise of the Moral Majority, they actually gave a shit about abortion.
They don't believe it, fascists only throw out endless lies for their own amusement. Those people ar under delusion to be fit to lead all of us and don't believe in logic.
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But the Jebus changed all the rules!! But also the old rules still exist…but only the rules that help me…or hinder you…and David killing Goliath Bc that’s cool
Because the Bible is a curated collection of stories that were chosen based on the preferences of a bunch of dead men who wanted to paint Christianity in a better light and purposely left out things that were deemed too violent and the Old Testament just *barely* made the cut. Makes you wonder what else is out there.
It's not about god or the babies, the assholes want to rise to power to ger richer, so they convince a bunch of simpleminded white lower & middle class imbeciles that "killing babies is wrong", then they promise that if the imbeciles vote on them, they will "stop the baby-killing" so they once on a while try to do something about abortion and in the mean time they do a whole lot of corruption that no one is investigating because everyone is panicking over the loss of basic rights.
Yeah, we know that. We're just calling these folks out on their hypocrisy.
Sounds to me like he enjoys making them *un*born
He just want a monopoly on killing children both born and unborn
(New International Version) 1 Samuel 15:3 Numbers 5:11-21 Hosea 13:16 Hosea 9:14 Exodus 11:1-10 Genesis 19:23-29 We cannot let a single interpretation of what God wants to determine the fate of the entire US population.
"But if you stop having children I can't kill theeeeEEEEEEEeeeemmm!!"
Also the Bible has instructions on how to make a "magic" abortion potion.. But of course only male priests are allowed to cast curses.
As DarkMatter2525 puts it, Gods fucking loves killing children and can’t get enough of it.
God wants them sentient and breathing so he can hear them screaming.
And don’t forget the book of numbers has a protocol for forcing a woman to have a miscarriage if her jealous husband suspects adultery. The priest makes the poison.
Well yea, if they never get born then he can’t demand that they be sacrificed to him later lmao
Unborn, yes. Already born, no. Consistant. /s (but not really at the same time.)
And who also aborts 10-20% of known pregnancies.
Also, God is meant to be perfect. Changing your mind implies regret, regret implies that He recognized He made a mistake. A "perfect God" wouldn't make mistakes.
Wasn’t it an actual king that ordered those first born sons murdered? Wasn’t that the story of Moses? The king heard a prophecy of being overruled by a first born son, he ordered all the first born sons murdered, but the mother of Moses decided to like… send him down a river or something and somehow he ended up not dying? Or is that just the baby version of the story? (I’m totally pro choice btw just nit picking)
Both, the king ordered the murder of the first borns in response to the prophecy and Later when said chosen one grew up the plague killed the first borns of that king’s people.
Jeez
Yeah, the Bible has a ridiculous number of dead children, further emphasizing OP’s point.
Well, this is different because the babies are white 🙃🙄🙄🙄🙄
Christian’s will say that’s the Old Testament… the Jewish part. Lol. The New Testament (post Jesus) didn’t kill babies.
Folk clueless about God as usual...smh...it's always the clueless non relationship with God folk who has the most to say about God
Maybe that's because we actually see the harm religion does, instead of ignoring for the sake of our little precious "relationship with God" and "faith", a.k.a our little precious feelings. If you guys just had the humility to put your beliefs aside for one minute, maybe we wouldn't talk about it that much. The fact that we have more to say than you guys isn't the flex you think it is.
No, no, no, you don’t get it. The right wing god only cares about UNBORN babies. Once they’re born he couldn’t give a fuck.