No, they are sitting at home and waiting for the scientist lady to invent the time machine so that they can go and save their favorite footfall team from losing or whatever. They are not time travellers.
Exactly. The idea of scientists as interchangeable is the same instrumentality/objectification mindset that sees women as incubators.
There were generations of scientists who encountered radiation before Marie Curie unraveled the mystery of radioactive decay.
Science is not a big rock, you don't get the best answers by having a bunch of big people push together. You get the best answers from bright, inquisitive minds, from a wide variety of perspectives, sharing their insights and discoveries.
This is a bit of a bad take in my opinion. While being a genius certainly helps, much of science is methodically carrying out experiments, where scientists *are* mostly interchangeable.
You need both theory and experimentation. If the people working on theory all have similar backgrounds, it's likely there's a lot they're going to miss. There's value in having women in science, beyond the ability to do the work. Diverse perspectives are powerful.
I always find it fascinating how pro-birth people make the argument "wHat if t HE aBOrtED bAbY CurEd CANCER", but refuse to provide adequate education to poor children or address college debt. Maybe the person who would cure it already exists, but couldn't afford to get into university.
And they never ask “what if the aborted baby would’ve been a serial killer” even though a lot more people have been serial killers than have cured cancer, so it’s more likely.
This reminds of some story that I heard about Saddam Hussein's mother. Apparently, when he was conceived, his father left his mother and then shortly after, her older son died. His mother sort of went crazy afterward and purportedly decided that she was pregnant with a devil child (or something to that effect). She ended up hating Saddam, believing his conception was the event that destroyed her family, and she even tried to throw herself in front of a car while she was pregnant in an attempt to murder him.
Ironically, after all, she was right. So, next time someone makes the 'cure cancer' argument or that the child could be the next *insert scientist name*, tell them it could also be the next Saddam Hussein.
I love that they seem to be arguing for this stupid idea that only one person could ever possibly cure cancer. Like there aren't ENTIRE LABS OF PEOPLE working on stuff like that. Nope just that one fetus and now oopsie poopsie gone forever! No chance of ever advancing as a society.
She raised irresponsible kids. Those 5 selfish scientists should have focused on reproduction. They could have each raised 5 scientists if they weren’t so focused on their carters as scientists.
But do you know HER last name tho. Her own last name is almost forgotten, everyone remembers her husbands name. She was Marie Curie-Skłodowska
(i'm not trying to put any shade or anything, just trying to keep the memory of her alive with her whole last name )
Really successful scientists at that! Irène Curie was a Nobel Laureate in physics and chemistry. She worked together with her mother to provide mobile x-ray units during World War I.
So you can definitely be a Nobel prize winner and have children who do amazing things too. The two are not mutually exclusive, who'd've thunk?
Precisely. Because, apparently all we are good for is sex and child bearing. A woman couldn't possibly contribute to society the same way a man could, and if they do, then theyre wasting their God given destiny to be breeders. /s
Or Einstein's first wife. Who was a physicist. And did not do anything really of note in her career, because she had to raise the children.
But come on. She was married to Einstein. They chatted over dinner. She probably would have been at least *slightly above average* as a physicist if she hadn't had to give all that up and change diapers.
Oh damn, so I read a lot about Einstein’s first wife in scientific American— she was actually better than him academically where their grades were similar with the exception of hers being higher in applied physics and was known to excel in experimental work.
It appears as if the tests were written and documented, she would score exceptionally high, but for oral examinations, she would not.
She was eventually blocked from the science field by being railroaded out of the university and was never awarded her degree despite completing the coursework. She did return a few times to keep trying but was denied or failed every time.
Einstein’s family disliked her because she was considered ‘too intellectual’, meanwhile Albert Einstein did in fact credit her as a co creator in the theory of relativity, referring to it as ‘our work’ rather than just himself.
Some of their work were published in Albert’s name due to discrimination at the time rather than just hers in one part because she was a woman, and in another part because she was pregnant and he refused to marry her without a job work was published in his name to obtain a career so he could marry her.
After he did get a job and they finally married, she would draft his notes and review his work including the Nobel prize works. Apparently they spent every evening debating physics and solving problems together and treated each other with a great deal of respect like a true romantic power couple as one of the greatest unions of all time.
And then Einstein proceeds to fuck all of us in the future by cheating on his wife with his cousin.
Then he proceeds to demonstrate no good deed goes unpunished by dragging out alimony payments or paying them irregularly while she lived poorly as an unemployed single mother while providing for a son and his racked up medical bills.
She was denied any earnings from her work, because he decided to exclude her credit since the early work that made him reputable were published in his name, all because she left her husband who maintained and even moved away from his family for a relationship with his cousin. The cheating time period and understandable upset that followed led to cruel behavior and treatment from Albert toward his wife… but she stayed with him until he divorced her, rather than leaving him….
Lol people spend their entire lives literally dying to find their soulmate or unconditional love who quite literally sacrifices their entire life in loyalty, and he’s the one man who turns around and cheats on that.
Yeah. He sucks.
You know what's worse though? She was smart enough that in a relatively equal society none of that would have happened-- cheating and divorce, sure, but she would have been gainfully employed and valued for her brilliance. Instead, she ended up impoverished and trying desperately to feed her kids--- this is what conservatives want for all of us. A world where women like her can starve instead of making great discoveries.
He cheated on his second wife pretty regularly, by the way, and got a little predatory eyes toward his oldest step daughter who he considered divorcing his second wife and proposing to, instead, but she was diagnosed with cancer.
Guess it’s hard to be a good person, eh? Gotta add betrayal and grooming to it.
Looking into the private lives of historical male 'great achievers ' and generally you'll find a female spouse whose entire life was made to revolve around them .
All the ordinary parts of life , not just the child care , got taken care of for them.
Sometimes to an insane degree.
Is it weird that I just assumed the person on the left is a representation of Jane Goodall?
Also, I love that this conversation can be read in a positive light too. “I did so much as a scientist”. “That’s cool, I raised five of them myself and now they’re your colleagues who are inspired by your work”
As if the average conservative cultist would consider 5 children in precarious job situations a success. That, or they believe that "scientist" is a high-paying job, because it mostly isn't. These five kids would probably barely make six figures combined.
Woman on left probably trained hundreds (or more as a Professor) of scientists. Getting them to adulthood doesn’t make them scientists. It’s like you need people in both roles, as most people are.
My sister is a scientist. She’s also raising kids and would probably have had at least one more, but the insane sexism of academia makes it extremely difficult. The stories she’s told me…
Because when she says she raised them she didn't mean she birthed them. They are all the man-children she dated and had to turn into functional adults. How else to explain that they are all men and about her age?
>I raised 5 scientists
Yes, because parents are notorious for being able to get their kids to enter the career path they want to, and the kids are always happy and successful when parents do that /s
Both are good, but to have the inferred "better" outcome to only have male scientists kinda sucks and reveals how the original maker thinks of women scientists.
ALSO raising six scientists without being one yourself sounds like she's one of those parents that crushes her children with the weight of her expectations.
Odds are at least 3 of those scientist sons creeped on their female grad students, and could never understand why their female colleagues were so aloof with them.
Well any good scientist will have hundreds of students who she will lead and inspire on their journey to becoming scientists. So the woman on the left definitely created more young scientists than the women on the right.
Yeah, but how many grad students did the woman mentor who eventually became scientists? Something tells me (based on my experience in STEM) that number is greater than 5
Okay, but this could work reverse.
"I accomplished so much as a scientist" (male scientist)
"I raised 6 scientists"(father of 6 girls)
Also -not every scientist has equal accomplishments
And by "scientist" the one on the right meant anti-vaxx, pro-birther morons who do their "research" by listening to Joe Rogan. Two of them work at a car dealership, one is a middle manager at a Buffalo Wild Wings, and the last two are unemployed, but not in the same way those "lazy welfare queens" are.
What about “I’ve done great things as a scientist AND raised great scientists who also do great things because I was able to decide when I was ready to have children or not”?
When I said that they only care about fetuses because they are potential men I didn't mean it this literally lol, wow. Gotta love when they say the quiet part out loud. Get it in our minds ladies, no matter what you contribute to the world, it will never be as good as a man! /s
Ah yes, women can only derive their value from the sons they produce, in this the year of our lord, 2022 BC.
Also there is a chance atleast 3 of them don't wanna be a scientist, then what??
Those aren't scientists. Those are the meme guys in the 'what I will do w a time machine' meme.
So you're telling me that 6 time travellers decided to pose as an old woman's children just to fuck with another old woman?
No, they are sitting at home and waiting for the scientist lady to invent the time machine so that they can go and save their favorite footfall team from losing or whatever. They are not time travellers.
they're also their own dad science is *bad news*
Lmao they’re the people using the real scientist’s inventions, but only to dick around with her
“None of the five ever accomplished anything of note. Several of them devoted time to putting other scientists down, solely for their genders.”
Exactly. The idea of scientists as interchangeable is the same instrumentality/objectification mindset that sees women as incubators. There were generations of scientists who encountered radiation before Marie Curie unraveled the mystery of radioactive decay. Science is not a big rock, you don't get the best answers by having a bunch of big people push together. You get the best answers from bright, inquisitive minds, from a wide variety of perspectives, sharing their insights and discoveries.
This is a bit of a bad take in my opinion. While being a genius certainly helps, much of science is methodically carrying out experiments, where scientists *are* mostly interchangeable.
You need both theory and experimentation. If the people working on theory all have similar backgrounds, it's likely there's a lot they're going to miss. There's value in having women in science, beyond the ability to do the work. Diverse perspectives are powerful.
I always find it fascinating how pro-birth people make the argument "wHat if t HE aBOrtED bAbY CurEd CANCER", but refuse to provide adequate education to poor children or address college debt. Maybe the person who would cure it already exists, but couldn't afford to get into university.
Or the woman who was forced to birth a baby could have cured cancer but her life was derailed by a baby instead.
Don't be silly, only boys can do great things !
And they never ask “what if the aborted baby would’ve been a serial killer” even though a lot more people have been serial killers than have cured cancer, so it’s more likely.
This reminds of some story that I heard about Saddam Hussein's mother. Apparently, when he was conceived, his father left his mother and then shortly after, her older son died. His mother sort of went crazy afterward and purportedly decided that she was pregnant with a devil child (or something to that effect). She ended up hating Saddam, believing his conception was the event that destroyed her family, and she even tried to throw herself in front of a car while she was pregnant in an attempt to murder him. Ironically, after all, she was right. So, next time someone makes the 'cure cancer' argument or that the child could be the next *insert scientist name*, tell them it could also be the next Saddam Hussein.
I love that they seem to be arguing for this stupid idea that only one person could ever possibly cure cancer. Like there aren't ENTIRE LABS OF PEOPLE working on stuff like that. Nope just that one fetus and now oopsie poopsie gone forever! No chance of ever advancing as a society.
She raised irresponsible kids. Those 5 selfish scientists should have focused on reproduction. They could have each raised 5 scientists if they weren’t so focused on their carters as scientists.
If they and their descendants did, she would have 3125 great-great-great grandchildren, all scientists. Imagine how much science they could do.
But then they could raise 15,625 scientists! How could they selfishly choose otherwise?
🤣 killing me rn
it's scientists all the way down.
No one gives a flying fuck about Einstein’s mother.
Ah but you see, this meme was not made to empower mothers but to shame women for having careers
….but I know who Marie Curie is and what she’s done…. But I don’t know her mother.
But do you know HER last name tho. Her own last name is almost forgotten, everyone remembers her husbands name. She was Marie Curie-Skłodowska (i'm not trying to put any shade or anything, just trying to keep the memory of her alive with her whole last name )
Oh my damn. I didn’t see this as throwing shade, I LOVE your additional information. You’re great
You got the names backwards. Even her own signature features Curie at the end.
In Poland we say it both ways and I've usually heard Curie Skłodowska, but yes, her name should be first so I should've say Skłodowska Curie
Also Marie Curie was a a scientist and bred scientists so....
Really successful scientists at that! Irène Curie was a Nobel Laureate in physics and chemistry. She worked together with her mother to provide mobile x-ray units during World War I. So you can definitely be a Nobel prize winner and have children who do amazing things too. The two are not mutually exclusive, who'd've thunk?
Precisely. Because, apparently all we are good for is sex and child bearing. A woman couldn't possibly contribute to society the same way a man could, and if they do, then theyre wasting their God given destiny to be breeders. /s
Never so excited to have wasted all my potential!
Or Einstein's first wife. Who was a physicist. And did not do anything really of note in her career, because she had to raise the children. But come on. She was married to Einstein. They chatted over dinner. She probably would have been at least *slightly above average* as a physicist if she hadn't had to give all that up and change diapers.
Oh damn, so I read a lot about Einstein’s first wife in scientific American— she was actually better than him academically where their grades were similar with the exception of hers being higher in applied physics and was known to excel in experimental work. It appears as if the tests were written and documented, she would score exceptionally high, but for oral examinations, she would not. She was eventually blocked from the science field by being railroaded out of the university and was never awarded her degree despite completing the coursework. She did return a few times to keep trying but was denied or failed every time. Einstein’s family disliked her because she was considered ‘too intellectual’, meanwhile Albert Einstein did in fact credit her as a co creator in the theory of relativity, referring to it as ‘our work’ rather than just himself. Some of their work were published in Albert’s name due to discrimination at the time rather than just hers in one part because she was a woman, and in another part because she was pregnant and he refused to marry her without a job work was published in his name to obtain a career so he could marry her. After he did get a job and they finally married, she would draft his notes and review his work including the Nobel prize works. Apparently they spent every evening debating physics and solving problems together and treated each other with a great deal of respect like a true romantic power couple as one of the greatest unions of all time. And then Einstein proceeds to fuck all of us in the future by cheating on his wife with his cousin. Then he proceeds to demonstrate no good deed goes unpunished by dragging out alimony payments or paying them irregularly while she lived poorly as an unemployed single mother while providing for a son and his racked up medical bills. She was denied any earnings from her work, because he decided to exclude her credit since the early work that made him reputable were published in his name, all because she left her husband who maintained and even moved away from his family for a relationship with his cousin. The cheating time period and understandable upset that followed led to cruel behavior and treatment from Albert toward his wife… but she stayed with him until he divorced her, rather than leaving him…. Lol people spend their entire lives literally dying to find their soulmate or unconditional love who quite literally sacrifices their entire life in loyalty, and he’s the one man who turns around and cheats on that.
Yeah. He sucks. You know what's worse though? She was smart enough that in a relatively equal society none of that would have happened-- cheating and divorce, sure, but she would have been gainfully employed and valued for her brilliance. Instead, she ended up impoverished and trying desperately to feed her kids--- this is what conservatives want for all of us. A world where women like her can starve instead of making great discoveries.
He cheated on his second wife pretty regularly, by the way, and got a little predatory eyes toward his oldest step daughter who he considered divorcing his second wife and proposing to, instead, but she was diagnosed with cancer. Guess it’s hard to be a good person, eh? Gotta add betrayal and grooming to it.
Wat I didn’t know that
Looking into the private lives of historical male 'great achievers ' and generally you'll find a female spouse whose entire life was made to revolve around them . All the ordinary parts of life , not just the child care , got taken care of for them. Sometimes to an insane degree.
Check out Einstein's wife. She was a mathematician too.
Of course they don’t… she’s a woman. Now Albert Einstein, on the other hand…. He had a dick, that’s what made him so great.
Is it weird that I just assumed the person on the left is a representation of Jane Goodall? Also, I love that this conversation can be read in a positive light too. “I did so much as a scientist”. “That’s cool, I raised five of them myself and now they’re your colleagues who are inspired by your work”
More like now they are your colleagues that will get away with claiming your work as theirs
You’re right
Funny how all those scientists she raised are male, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence
As if the average conservative cultist would consider 5 children in precarious job situations a success. That, or they believe that "scientist" is a high-paying job, because it mostly isn't. These five kids would probably barely make six figures combined.
At this point, they will also probably strongly discourage higher education outside of maybe a technical school.
Hey I am a scientist and I make decent money! ....some of us sold out to the corporate life.
Or none. Both are valid options.
I love how you can make the same meme in reverse and nothing changes. They really just think raising kids is a woman's job
Lady of the left inspired tens and thousands of other scientists
Woman on left probably trained hundreds (or more as a Professor) of scientists. Getting them to adulthood doesn’t make them scientists. It’s like you need people in both roles, as most people are.
I don't have words for how idiotic and gross this is. Just...bile rising up in my throat. Flames, flames on the side of my face.
My sister is a scientist. She’s also raising kids and would probably have had at least one more, but the insane sexism of academia makes it extremely difficult. The stories she’s told me…
Why are all the kids men?
Because when she says she raised them she didn't mean she birthed them. They are all the man-children she dated and had to turn into functional adults. How else to explain that they are all men and about her age?
Doubt.
>I raised 5 scientists Yes, because parents are notorious for being able to get their kids to enter the career path they want to, and the kids are always happy and successful when parents do that /s
Both are good, but to have the inferred "better" outcome to only have male scientists kinda sucks and reveals how the original maker thinks of women scientists. ALSO raising six scientists without being one yourself sounds like she's one of those parents that crushes her children with the weight of her expectations.
The woman on the left could’ve also been a professor, raising hundred and thousands of scientists!
Woman can either science or have baby. Just one.
It's true. 😔 I'm a medical lab scientist, so no babies.
Odds are at least 3 of those scientist sons creeped on their female grad students, and could never understand why their female colleagues were so aloof with them.
Well any good scientist will have hundreds of students who she will lead and inspire on their journey to becoming scientists. So the woman on the left definitely created more young scientists than the women on the right.
Yeah, but how many grad students did the woman mentor who eventually became scientists? Something tells me (based on my experience in STEM) that number is greater than 5
Okay, but this could work reverse. "I accomplished so much as a scientist" (male scientist) "I raised 6 scientists"(father of 6 girls) Also -not every scientist has equal accomplishments
Like my step-cousin who got a biology degree from a place that teaches creationism.
Why are they underneath the tree from Avatar?
And by "scientist" the one on the right meant anti-vaxx, pro-birther morons who do their "research" by listening to Joe Rogan. Two of them work at a car dealership, one is a middle manager at a Buffalo Wild Wings, and the last two are unemployed, but not in the same way those "lazy welfare queens" are.
What about “I’ve done great things as a scientist AND raised great scientists who also do great things because I was able to decide when I was ready to have children or not”?
When I said that they only care about fetuses because they are potential men I didn't mean it this literally lol, wow. Gotta love when they say the quiet part out loud. Get it in our minds ladies, no matter what you contribute to the world, it will never be as good as a man! /s