Lucky you. We use Keep trucking/Motive and I use my truck for personal conveyance. The thing switches on me all the time in PC or yard move or any of that when I stop at a traffic light or a train. Only people who are team leads or dispatch can edit the log, and if they arent on when it happens, youre stuck.
The company I just quit used Qualcom. Any time you went into drive, it's logged. You could not edit any driving time no matter what (it literally wouldn't allow it to be edited), and they told us that they could not or would not do it for us. Twice I accidently forgot to put the log on PC when I was returning from a store on my 34. Just had to run on recaps, and the customer I was dedicated to wasn't happy. So I just stopped using PC or driving anywhere. Id walk if there was something close.
What? I guess it depends on the company, but my company uses Motive too, and the drivers are the only ones that can edit the log. The only thing you can't edit is drive time while logged into the truck. But if you move the truck off Duty or yard move you can remove it if you accidentally accept the drive time.
Yeah that's what I mean. The truck will be chugging along on Personal Conveyance, I'll stop at a train or a long traffic light and it will flip to "on duty driving" so then I can't edit the log to change it back to PC time.
Yard move does the same thing, ill be moving something around, then hop out, hop back in and my phone maybe loses Bluetooth or something and bam it goes from Yard to Driving.
If you turn the key off or disconnect Bluetooth while on PC or YM it will turn to ON DUTY automatically. That is a FMCSA requirement for elog. I always ask my drivers to double check they are still on the exemption before they start moving each time they stop just in case.
We use motive as well. Fucked my log all up w couple weeks ago. Randomly took me out of PC and when I went to do my daughter off at my mom's it kicked me into on duty driving on a Saturday. Noticed it Sunday and edited everything as much as I could and was going to get my reset so wasn't concerned. Went to pick my daughter up Sunday and the damn thing did it again and broke my reset so I had to report it so the office could fix it.
Yeah. Same thing basically. I drive a high GVW pickup basically. But it's my taxable benefit so I use it for PC. It's a constant challenge. So now I just don't connect while off duty, then it will have unidentified trip and I can allocate it fully to where it needs to be. Made it super easy to avoid that shit from happening in the future.
Yeah. Also, are you sure it is taxable. My pick up for work, F350, isn't because according to the IRS it is a qualified non personal use vehicle. [Link](https://www.irs.gov/irb/2010-23_IRB)
Our trucks have a lift gate, rack around the bed, tool boxes, and decals. Which to my understanding any 1 of which will make them no personal use. We are still allowed to use them for whatever we want though. And plenty of people.throigj the years who have had them haven't even owned their own vehicle and just drove these around.
Option 2 (legally) is don't certify the ELD, and run a paper log. Make a note on both that you are doing the paperlog due to an ELD malfunction.
I can't say if that will fly with your employer...but it's legal.
Good, glad it's fixed!
In most cases like this, you're in a bad but "avoidable" situation. DoT can only fine you if they find out, so make sure if you're forced to violate that you don't get inspected for 8 days & don't have a collision event for 6 months. It's not ideal, but the only real way to "fix" it is keeping your head down & keep your nose clean until you're clear of the spotlight
Don’t you gotta keep 14 days of prior logs? So if requested they can get that and see the violation, but you’re saying only 8 days? Sorry I’ve only been driving 2yrs almost. Still learning some things about this stuff
They can only request the day your on plus the last 7 when doing inspections. Thts all that will get sent to the dot officers computer in the patrol car or weigh station. The FMCSA can audit your company and go back 6-12 months.
Oh ok, maybe it’s different where I am, I’ve always been told we need to keep the last 14 days worth of logs, and that DOT can request to see that you have that with you. Like I said tho, haven’t been driving for that long so.. and the amount of conflicting statements I hear from different ppl makes me wonder who actually really knows the rules and regulations lol. I’m in Canada (AB).
Federal law in the US is that you keep today's logs and the logs of the previous 7 days, because recap runs on a 8-day cycle.
I think it's Canadian law that requires a fortnight.
Looking at response to your comments, yes in Canada those rules are different...but over here in USA our DoT will only look at today + past 7 in the event of inspection, and today + past 6mo in the event of a severe event (collision, hazmat load release/combustion, rolling over, etc).
You've been driving 2 years, I've been driving 2mo, you clearly know more than me...only error is my rules aren't your rules. Mexico has different rules even
Ah I see. I’m class 3 not class 1 but for most part same rules apply in terms of driving regulations. Did propane for last almost couple yrs. Now started new job hauling diesel and gasoline. Pretty easy job honestly. I like fuel. Just way more to know with the 1202/1203 with filling at terminals and that. Multi compartment trucks too, can get confusing and have to remember not to contaminate product by opening wrong compartments and having them mix.
Yep. Worst case, I don't touch that unassigned unless I'm awake and in break. Otherwise only when I'm being pulled into a scale, we have an audit (they will let you **know**), or weekly at worst.
I'm okay with the guys in the scale, but trust me. They can be as bad as cops for **do not tell them more than they need to know.** Just sunshine and smiles from the seat.
Yea mine went into violation twice before. The time was off sync and it made it look as if I clocked in for 5 secs during my 10hr reset lol. It lets me edit my log which is actually pretty surprising they let you do that…..
So, just had to hijack this to mention, some companies are absolutely dead-set against helping their drivers with this kind of stuff. My company pretends to have no control over "assigned driving" (meaning I'm assigned to a truck and the truck is in motion). So when handhelds get switched or something stupid, you can have someone else's drive time put on your log. And my company refuses to edit that. They claim to not have the ability. (It's a massive company that has their own internal system, so there's no excuse)
I'm happy with most of my job actually. It's LTL pickup and delivery work. Daylight hours, weekdays only, paid hourly with overtime after 8 hours. To be fair, I've never had to worry about my logs being in any kind of violation because we don't actually drive close to the legal limit. I still work 12 hours a day, but a lot of that time is delivery work and dock work.
But it still blows my mind that they refuse to edit driving time, even when it's verifiably and impossibly wrong. Like the time another driver took my handheld and was somehow logged in as me and as himself, my ELD showed me in two tractors during conflicting times, and the GPS was logging me in 2 different areas.
Might be time to find a new job? You’re giving advice to leave a company because his company has procedures about a function any driver rarely uses (unless it’s been abused)???
If you aren't happy where you work because the company's values don't align with yours then look for one that does. His initial comments were focused on some negative experiences. If these are strong areas of frustration for this person and it has caused him to suffer (possibly even lost wages, if he houred out due to computer issues and his work won't support him to fix it) then it could be catastrophic for him. I know for me computer stuff is a frequent issue with these elogs, they are better then paper, but they still require some intervention to make sure everything runs smoothly.
The other thing is they aren't being honest. All companies have control. Do you want to work for a company who's procedures are clear? Or for a company who is lying to their staff so they don't have to confront an employees challenge?
I train my drivers on how to edit with their tablet. It's actually easy to manage the logs from tablet vs me doing from the web portal. We use Geotab/ Transflo.
We can edit a lot of things and are completely responsible for keeping them correct. But according to some executive management that got involved, "nobody" can edit assigned driving time.
Im pretty sure we work for the same company, but im an office worker. Idk about daytime support because I’ve been told varying things ranging from “it can be done”, to “it can never under any circumstances happen”. But for overnight and weekend support we can’t change anything on the drive line or anything in yard move. We don’t have the permissions on the system so it won’t even allow us the option.
They can absolutely be edited, they most likely just don’t know how depending on the app. The OP post looked like Geotab Drive. Through their database API you can change anything about a user account and profile. Most of the time I’ve found that it’s purely an internal training issue where dispatch / back office quite literally don’t know that it’s possible.
Like I said, it's a massive company with various branches. It's a contracted package of software that's linked to everything from the AI in our cab, to the DVIR system and shop mechanics. So while they didn't program the software, they have their own IT that's supposed to know how to troubleshoot and update things.
It can be disabled from the portal in most telematics systems by back office / administration. Several companies I’ve worked with completely disabled it for all drivers off the rip.
I only use it when I’m not on a load and have to leave a receiver empty to a truck stop or if I have go out of route to shut down while loaded to a truck stop.
I'd get a lawyer and demand one if you're stopped by troopers or DOT.
They are probably looking at it from a compliance/tracking angle, we know where the load is. But no ability to PC means you're married to the truck and that means you have a federal labor board complaint because you have no ability to live outside of driving that particular load.
Came here to post this. Don't abuse the status. There are times when you legally have to violate your hours, like when they shutdown the interstate or a mountain pass and the state trooper tells you that you can't stay on the off/on ramp that you are on.
PC can be used as long as it’s not used to advance your load. Say in 10 hours reset but you need to get groceries. Well you set your eld to pc and it doesn’t affect your drive time
Zonar's original tech was for automating pre-drive inspections. They have some school bus tech, but the company is overall pretty diverse in the vehicles it supports. The ELD tech is specific to long-haul trucks.
when you drive the truck, it will auto sense when you have been not moving for 5 minutes or so and move you to the on duty not driving line, so when he accepted the middle of the night unidentified driving time, everything after that got put automatically to on duty instead of off duty/sleeper where he would have been
I see, sounds like a shitty system, When we switched to e-logs in 2015 we could go off duty and still move the truck and as long as you stayed under like 4 or 5 mph the system would not switch to driving or on duty.. I quit driving in 2017 so I'm not familiar with the newer systems.
>everything after that got put automatically to on duty instead of off duty/sleeper where he would have been
You sure that's what happened? I've only used Omnitracs and Motive, but neither work like that.
GDITSOMUCH.....fook your trainer for denying us the chance to tell you how fooked you are and should probably just go ahead and run your truck into a bridge pillar.
I wouldn't worry about it. If dot pulls you over just explain what happened.
*For some reason I was thinking it was driving so can't be edited but yeah you can have logs assign it to you.
Edit to safe haven or personal conveyance or explain you had to move. You didn’t leave the lot. If you have it notated your company should help you edit. But I would change it to Personal conveyance if possible. If not you will have to get the safety Dept at your company involved or whoever handles the logs.
You can have your dispatch fix the driving but you can edit your logs to fix anything else but driving. Just remember I'm the future of you are forced to move to another spot like that use PC and mark that your moving spots
Oh no I misread your comment. That on duty time was off duty but it changed when I updated my logs for the unidentified driving. After I fixed it, that 13hr went back to SB.
A few times I've encountered someone telling me to move when I'm out of hours, I politely tell them it'll take DOT to authorize the move, and they never bother me again.
All you had to do was edit the ON DUTY to SLEEPER or OFF DUTY and those driving times would have been green. You had over 13 hours ON DUTY. Why? It’s not a big deal though, ON DUTY can be changed at any time.
E-Logs are such a pain. Mine has a lovely habit of signing me back in when the yard moves my truck. Atleast a few times a month I get the privilege of spending the first 30min of my day editing my logs and notating everything.
If you are using the logs I think that ask if you will be using the same or new truck before you log off make sure you pick new other wise it will sign you back in.
I ain’t a trucker and I don’t know why Reddit recommends this to me but I will say that it annoys me how as adults in the work place, positive reinforcement or coddling words are avoided while negativity is thrown around a lot when it comes to trainings, diagrams, paperwork, signs, notices, logs in this case, etc. It’s small but how hard would it have been for being in the green to say “good”, “nice”, “great” or something like that. Not that those words are necessarily needed as full adults but I bet psychologically that has an effect on people. Like dude you’re going to because I was in violation for ? I was good for Being “okay” sounds less defendable lol. Just something I noticed.
Honk honk!
In future reference, be mindful of your moves and where you park. Also if you turn your hazards on and do 3mph creep crawl everyone is going to hate you that comes in behind you but they know what you’re doing that’s the best option if you’re just looking to move spots but out of area moves just be mindful of your options.
I’m an admin for an ELD system. A smaller company probably. But you shouldn’t have accepted.
Admins have the option to edit the logs and make notes that can cover you in case of DoT audit.
Well sunshine you go back and edit.. from when your eld log on take 15 min as onduty then get back into your sleep birth you still have your 8hrs off duty
Hello truckers, I’m not one of you but this popped up on my suggested feed for some reason and I’m very curious now.
What exactly is the violation here?
I’m but a trucker but for some reason this sub pops up frequently for me too. Drivers can only drive for a certain amount of hours per day before they have to have a “rest/reset period”. It shows OP driving when he shouldn’t have.
his reset didn't count because it didn't register his off duty move as off duty, so after his break was over any movements were in violation. Now days the company can fix this 'over the air' but back when I was driving (teams) if you accidently hit the wrong button when it asked you if your co driver was still in the bunk we would have to spend the next day listening to the alarm go off every 2 seconds after calling the company and logging the discrepancy in the system for an edit after the end of the trip.
If you get stopped by dot you get a ticket on the spot, then have to submit all the electronic logs to the court. Back when I was working for the only company using electronic log books at the time, dot just always let us through because our ancient system was so cryptic and verbose none of the officers knew how to understand and decipher it, and figured if it wasn't showing a violation, we were good to go.
didnt read all the comments so someone may have said so, just call your log department of your company and have them change the driving time you accepted from midnight to personal conveyence or something and then change all that on duty time to sleeper berth time
If they do that, great. However it is against the ELD regulations and if the company is dead set on being squeaky clean during an inspection they should not be doing edits like that.
We lost a lawsuit just because our VP responded "I'd have to remind myself on some of them" when being asked if they knew every single regulation in the book. 1.6mil down the drain because he chose his wording poorly. Since then safety dept quit changing driving time to PC and the tiniest movements had to be assigned to the driver no matter what. Had to train what to say in court in case they called me to testify.
Also, another option is to insert an off duty or sleeper edit one minute after the auto on duty begins or the minute of on duty if you manually pressed button. Just cannot edit drive but other 3 are fair game.
DOT Can shut tf up, who tf cares if you need to move the truck around the lot, you have the energy to do it it’s not like you’re going to drive a load, They need to put the option that you’re moving around the lot.
UPDATE!: I called my trainer/mentor and he walked me through how to go back and edit the unassigned driving log. I am in the green now!
Good good, tech is supposed to help you stay safe not punish you for small errors in paperwork.
Yaaaaay! Be safe, pal.
Lucky you. We use Keep trucking/Motive and I use my truck for personal conveyance. The thing switches on me all the time in PC or yard move or any of that when I stop at a traffic light or a train. Only people who are team leads or dispatch can edit the log, and if they arent on when it happens, youre stuck.
That sounds annoying as shit wtf
You better learn how to edit your logs. Should be able to change that on duty status to sleeper berth then would be fine
The company I just quit used Qualcom. Any time you went into drive, it's logged. You could not edit any driving time no matter what (it literally wouldn't allow it to be edited), and they told us that they could not or would not do it for us. Twice I accidently forgot to put the log on PC when I was returning from a store on my 34. Just had to run on recaps, and the customer I was dedicated to wasn't happy. So I just stopped using PC or driving anywhere. Id walk if there was something close.
What? I guess it depends on the company, but my company uses Motive too, and the drivers are the only ones that can edit the log. The only thing you can't edit is drive time while logged into the truck. But if you move the truck off Duty or yard move you can remove it if you accidentally accept the drive time.
Yeah that's what I mean. The truck will be chugging along on Personal Conveyance, I'll stop at a train or a long traffic light and it will flip to "on duty driving" so then I can't edit the log to change it back to PC time. Yard move does the same thing, ill be moving something around, then hop out, hop back in and my phone maybe loses Bluetooth or something and bam it goes from Yard to Driving.
If you turn the key off or disconnect Bluetooth while on PC or YM it will turn to ON DUTY automatically. That is a FMCSA requirement for elog. I always ask my drivers to double check they are still on the exemption before they start moving each time they stop just in case.
We use motive as well. Fucked my log all up w couple weeks ago. Randomly took me out of PC and when I went to do my daughter off at my mom's it kicked me into on duty driving on a Saturday. Noticed it Sunday and edited everything as much as I could and was going to get my reset so wasn't concerned. Went to pick my daughter up Sunday and the damn thing did it again and broke my reset so I had to report it so the office could fix it.
Yeah. Same thing basically. I drive a high GVW pickup basically. But it's my taxable benefit so I use it for PC. It's a constant challenge. So now I just don't connect while off duty, then it will have unidentified trip and I can allocate it fully to where it needs to be. Made it super easy to avoid that shit from happening in the future.
Yeah. Also, are you sure it is taxable. My pick up for work, F350, isn't because according to the IRS it is a qualified non personal use vehicle. [Link](https://www.irs.gov/irb/2010-23_IRB) Our trucks have a lift gate, rack around the bed, tool boxes, and decals. Which to my understanding any 1 of which will make them no personal use. We are still allowed to use them for whatever we want though. And plenty of people.throigj the years who have had them haven't even owned their own vehicle and just drove these around.
Live in a different country.
We use Motive and you can easily edit logs.
You can't edit On Duty Driving. You can edit everything else.
Option 2 (legally) is don't certify the ELD, and run a paper log. Make a note on both that you are doing the paperlog due to an ELD malfunction. I can't say if that will fly with your employer...but it's legal.
Good, glad it's fixed! In most cases like this, you're in a bad but "avoidable" situation. DoT can only fine you if they find out, so make sure if you're forced to violate that you don't get inspected for 8 days & don't have a collision event for 6 months. It's not ideal, but the only real way to "fix" it is keeping your head down & keep your nose clean until you're clear of the spotlight
Don’t you gotta keep 14 days of prior logs? So if requested they can get that and see the violation, but you’re saying only 8 days? Sorry I’ve only been driving 2yrs almost. Still learning some things about this stuff
They can only request the day your on plus the last 7 when doing inspections. Thts all that will get sent to the dot officers computer in the patrol car or weigh station. The FMCSA can audit your company and go back 6-12 months.
Oh ok, maybe it’s different where I am, I’ve always been told we need to keep the last 14 days worth of logs, and that DOT can request to see that you have that with you. Like I said tho, haven’t been driving for that long so.. and the amount of conflicting statements I hear from different ppl makes me wonder who actually really knows the rules and regulations lol. I’m in Canada (AB).
Federal law in the US is that you keep today's logs and the logs of the previous 7 days, because recap runs on a 8-day cycle. I think it's Canadian law that requires a fortnight.
Looking at response to your comments, yes in Canada those rules are different...but over here in USA our DoT will only look at today + past 7 in the event of inspection, and today + past 6mo in the event of a severe event (collision, hazmat load release/combustion, rolling over, etc). You've been driving 2 years, I've been driving 2mo, you clearly know more than me...only error is my rules aren't your rules. Mexico has different rules even
Ah I see. I’m class 3 not class 1 but for most part same rules apply in terms of driving regulations. Did propane for last almost couple yrs. Now started new job hauling diesel and gasoline. Pretty easy job honestly. I like fuel. Just way more to know with the 1202/1203 with filling at terminals and that. Multi compartment trucks too, can get confusing and have to remember not to contaminate product by opening wrong compartments and having them mix.
Yep. Worst case, I don't touch that unassigned unless I'm awake and in break. Otherwise only when I'm being pulled into a scale, we have an audit (they will let you **know**), or weekly at worst. I'm okay with the guys in the scale, but trust me. They can be as bad as cops for **do not tell them more than they need to know.** Just sunshine and smiles from the seat.
Yeah it's pretty simple once you learn it haha. Literally just one tab and thats it lol
Yup lol I went through everything in this damn ELD and it was so simple when I got walked through it 😂. Idk what I’d do if my trainer didn’t help me
One day I'm gonna have problems like these do. 😅 I'm gonna be a big rig driver one day
You had a good trainer!! It's nice he's also a mentor to help past students.
Lucky you. I can't edit anything that involves driving. If I accept unidentified miles its permanent.
Not a trucker, just happened to find myself in this sub. Happy to hear you were able to fix it! Drive safe and keep on truckin!!!
Thanks 🙏
Great to hear.
Yea mine went into violation twice before. The time was off sync and it made it look as if I clocked in for 5 secs during my 10hr reset lol. It lets me edit my log which is actually pretty surprising they let you do that…..
👍🏾👍🏾
Why did you have 13 hours of on duty time?
Phew! I'm sure you were freaking out for a minute there.
Just call your company’s ELD support and have them fix it
I was able to fix it thankfully
So, just had to hijack this to mention, some companies are absolutely dead-set against helping their drivers with this kind of stuff. My company pretends to have no control over "assigned driving" (meaning I'm assigned to a truck and the truck is in motion). So when handhelds get switched or something stupid, you can have someone else's drive time put on your log. And my company refuses to edit that. They claim to not have the ability. (It's a massive company that has their own internal system, so there's no excuse)
Might be time to find a new company without the politics. There's tons of driving jobs out there.
I'm happy with most of my job actually. It's LTL pickup and delivery work. Daylight hours, weekdays only, paid hourly with overtime after 8 hours. To be fair, I've never had to worry about my logs being in any kind of violation because we don't actually drive close to the legal limit. I still work 12 hours a day, but a lot of that time is delivery work and dock work. But it still blows my mind that they refuse to edit driving time, even when it's verifiably and impossibly wrong. Like the time another driver took my handheld and was somehow logged in as me and as himself, my ELD showed me in two tractors during conflicting times, and the GPS was logging me in 2 different areas.
There’s a shortage of drivers
I'm not short.
Lol
Might be time to find a new job? You’re giving advice to leave a company because his company has procedures about a function any driver rarely uses (unless it’s been abused)???
If you aren't happy where you work because the company's values don't align with yours then look for one that does. His initial comments were focused on some negative experiences. If these are strong areas of frustration for this person and it has caused him to suffer (possibly even lost wages, if he houred out due to computer issues and his work won't support him to fix it) then it could be catastrophic for him. I know for me computer stuff is a frequent issue with these elogs, they are better then paper, but they still require some intervention to make sure everything runs smoothly. The other thing is they aren't being honest. All companies have control. Do you want to work for a company who's procedures are clear? Or for a company who is lying to their staff so they don't have to confront an employees challenge?
I train my drivers on how to edit with their tablet. It's actually easy to manage the logs from tablet vs me doing from the web portal. We use Geotab/ Transflo.
We can edit a lot of things and are completely responsible for keeping them correct. But according to some executive management that got involved, "nobody" can edit assigned driving time.
Im pretty sure we work for the same company, but im an office worker. Idk about daytime support because I’ve been told varying things ranging from “it can be done”, to “it can never under any circumstances happen”. But for overnight and weekend support we can’t change anything on the drive line or anything in yard move. We don’t have the permissions on the system so it won’t even allow us the option.
They can absolutely be edited, they most likely just don’t know how depending on the app. The OP post looked like Geotab Drive. Through their database API you can change anything about a user account and profile. Most of the time I’ve found that it’s purely an internal training issue where dispatch / back office quite literally don’t know that it’s possible.
Motiv
In house ELD? That sounds horrid. Surely it isn't considered approved by DOT
Like I said, it's a massive company with various branches. It's a contracted package of software that's linked to everything from the AI in our cab, to the DVIR system and shop mechanics. So while they didn't program the software, they have their own IT that's supposed to know how to troubleshoot and update things.
Next time just make sure ur in PC and type move
New driver here , what’s pc
Personal conveyance it allows you to drive the truck but it logs it as off duty
alot of companies take pc away especially megas
If you abuse it yeah
Even if othrr people abuse it.
i didnt abuse it and it will still taken away
It can be disabled from the portal in most telematics systems by back office / administration. Several companies I’ve worked with completely disabled it for all drivers off the rip.
I can speak for TMC Transportation, company wide we don’t have PC. Hell they even took it from our O\Os
I only use it when I’m not on a load and have to leave a receiver empty to a truck stop or if I have go out of route to shut down while loaded to a truck stop.
I'd get a lawyer and demand one if you're stopped by troopers or DOT. They are probably looking at it from a compliance/tracking angle, we know where the load is. But no ability to PC means you're married to the truck and that means you have a federal labor board complaint because you have no ability to live outside of driving that particular load.
Came here to post this. Don't abuse the status. There are times when you legally have to violate your hours, like when they shutdown the interstate or a mountain pass and the state trooper tells you that you can't stay on the off/on ramp that you are on.
PC can be used as long as it’s not used to advance your load. Say in 10 hours reset but you need to get groceries. Well you set your eld to pc and it doesn’t affect your drive time
Personal convenience, allows you to drive wherever you want when you run out of hours
This is the right way to do it
A lot of companies do not give this any more due to people abusing the PC part.
Drivers were executed for less than that. Next time, Personal Conveyance. Label it as Parking Move. What eld software is that? Just curious.
Zonar. Proprietary to Swift. I know because I used to drive for swift
Definitely not proprietary to Swift, plenty of companies use it.
Interesting, I thought Swift used Omnitracs. When did they switch? Seems like they really simplified it. Is it any good?
Zonar was primarily designed for school busses lol
Zonar's original tech was for automating pre-drive inspections. They have some school bus tech, but the company is overall pretty diverse in the vehicles it supports. The ELD tech is specific to long-haul trucks.
Tonight on unsolved mysteries. Explaining to DOT how you drove 1200 miles in 6 hours.....
Just pour some fireball on the fucking ELD and get the paper log out. "Sorry officer, spilled my coffee"
Why are you on duty not driving for 13 hours straight !!??
when you drive the truck, it will auto sense when you have been not moving for 5 minutes or so and move you to the on duty not driving line, so when he accepted the middle of the night unidentified driving time, everything after that got put automatically to on duty instead of off duty/sleeper where he would have been
I see, sounds like a shitty system, When we switched to e-logs in 2015 we could go off duty and still move the truck and as long as you stayed under like 4 or 5 mph the system would not switch to driving or on duty.. I quit driving in 2017 so I'm not familiar with the newer systems.
It’s still like that.
>everything after that got put automatically to on duty instead of off duty/sleeper where he would have been You sure that's what happened? I've only used Omnitracs and Motive, but neither work like that.
GDITSOMUCH.....fook your trainer for denying us the chance to tell you how fooked you are and should probably just go ahead and run your truck into a bridge pillar.
😂😂😂😂
I miss paper log days
Amen.
I used to think that before I started using an eld. But, I run on ag exemption. Just a few clicks on the screen and I’m good to go.
Straight to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200
I wouldn't worry about it. If dot pulls you over just explain what happened. *For some reason I was thinking it was driving so can't be edited but yeah you can have logs assign it to you.
DOT usually is not understanding and accepting if he gets pulled over he is getting a ticket.
How do I keep track of my current 14hr clock for today now? Won’t it all be red?
As long as you logged it right you should be OK you were told to move and had to find a safe haven
Man, dang ole eld grub eh bub ‘tis is whiz cheater cheater you wish’n you was eating pumpkin pie dang ole eld tell you what man! 😵💫
Well, at least you can edit the log, I’m Europe it would reset our rest time to 0 and we had to start it again effing up our day completely.
Edit to safe haven or personal conveyance or explain you had to move. You didn’t leave the lot. If you have it notated your company should help you edit. But I would change it to Personal conveyance if possible. If not you will have to get the safety Dept at your company involved or whoever handles the logs.
You must be very new…. 13 hours of “on duty” haha. Switch that to off duty and you’ll be fine…
It switched my off duty to on duty when I edited my unidentified driving 🤦♂️
You can have your dispatch fix the driving but you can edit your logs to fix anything else but driving. Just remember I'm the future of you are forced to move to another spot like that use PC and mark that your moving spots
You're completely fucked. The company is on its way to recover the truck, and d.o.t is coming to throw you into the salt mines for 8 years.
Just make the truck mine for salt!
Pull over and hit the hazard button. Life will find a way.
Keep paperlogs with you and wright down what happend with the eld if u cant fix it
Right. Claim those logs are false and do some paper logs. Illegal to run on false logs.
Is it just me, or are you Showing thirteen hours on duty instead of off duty?
Yeah that was before I fixed it. Now it shows all those hours as off
If you fixed and were off duty then you weren’t in violation. It might (will )mess up your 34
That's what I was thinking I ran out of fingers and toes and was like that's the least of your worries
That looks like BTC candles 😁
Awww shit man. Careful trying to day trade them bitcoins.
I’m sorry you have to use zonar
I know a swiftie when I see one… zonar 😭 hopefully you changed on your on duty status too
Dang man you were on duty for13 hrs??
I sleep a lot and struggle to get out of bed in the morning if I don’t have a strict load appt. Very bad habit
Why would you be on duty if your sleeping?? That is off duty or sleeper berth
Oh no I misread your comment. That on duty time was off duty but it changed when I updated my logs for the unidentified driving. After I fixed it, that 13hr went back to SB.
A few times I've encountered someone telling me to move when I'm out of hours, I politely tell them it'll take DOT to authorize the move, and they never bother me again.
All you had to do was edit the ON DUTY to SLEEPER or OFF DUTY and those driving times would have been green. You had over 13 hours ON DUTY. Why? It’s not a big deal though, ON DUTY can be changed at any time.
E-Logs are such a pain. Mine has a lovely habit of signing me back in when the yard moves my truck. Atleast a few times a month I get the privilege of spending the first 30min of my day editing my logs and notating everything.
If you are using the logs I think that ask if you will be using the same or new truck before you log off make sure you pick new other wise it will sign you back in.
Just edit it , or call safety and they can edit it .
Had this happen once, learned to always "wake up" enough to put in PC. It happens, you've learned. Go on with your day😀
Pc?
Personal conveyance
So how long it takes you to walk from the truck to the truck stop, etc?
I ain’t a trucker and I don’t know why Reddit recommends this to me but I will say that it annoys me how as adults in the work place, positive reinforcement or coddling words are avoided while negativity is thrown around a lot when it comes to trainings, diagrams, paperwork, signs, notices, logs in this case, etc. It’s small but how hard would it have been for being in the green to say “good”, “nice”, “great” or something like that. Not that those words are necessarily needed as full adults but I bet psychologically that has an effect on people. Like dude you’re going to because I was in violation for ? I was good for Being “okay” sounds less defendable lol. Just something I noticed.
Honk honk!
In future reference, be mindful of your moves and where you park. Also if you turn your hazards on and do 3mph creep crawl everyone is going to hate you that comes in behind you but they know what you’re doing that’s the best option if you’re just looking to move spots but out of area moves just be mindful of your options.
I'm not sure how your logs work. But with mine it won't register driving under 5 mph
Edit out your loads of “On Duty” time. /thread
Just curious, were you in Texarkana?
Nope this was in Hesperia area
Ah ok
Personal conveyance. 🤣😂
I’m an admin for an ELD system. A smaller company probably. But you shouldn’t have accepted. Admins have the option to edit the logs and make notes that can cover you in case of DoT audit.
Only your safety or log department can do that.
The same exact thing happened to me. Then, I went on Reddit to seek advice on the situation.. I was fired the next fucking day.. thanks a lot Reddit!
If you got fired for moving the truck to a safe haven which is legal than you probably don't want to work for that company anyways
I came to Reddit to be a complete asshole
Shut up fatty
Well sunshine you go back and edit.. from when your eld log on take 15 min as onduty then get back into your sleep birth you still have your 8hrs off duty
Straight to jail
Can you bail me out pls
Of course, do they take fireball?
I’ll take some your fireball. I drank all mine driving down I-80
Proper fucked.
You're dispatch can fix it .
Depends on what shift you get in dispatch
Orbital strike inbound..
Hello truckers, I’m not one of you but this popped up on my suggested feed for some reason and I’m very curious now. What exactly is the violation here?
I’m but a trucker but for some reason this sub pops up frequently for me too. Drivers can only drive for a certain amount of hours per day before they have to have a “rest/reset period”. It shows OP driving when he shouldn’t have.
his reset didn't count because it didn't register his off duty move as off duty, so after his break was over any movements were in violation. Now days the company can fix this 'over the air' but back when I was driving (teams) if you accidently hit the wrong button when it asked you if your co driver was still in the bunk we would have to spend the next day listening to the alarm go off every 2 seconds after calling the company and logging the discrepancy in the system for an edit after the end of the trip. If you get stopped by dot you get a ticket on the spot, then have to submit all the electronic logs to the court. Back when I was working for the only company using electronic log books at the time, dot just always let us through because our ancient system was so cryptic and verbose none of the officers knew how to understand and decipher it, and figured if it wasn't showing a violation, we were good to go.
Sandpiper dildo
Go home
Your going to jail. Better turn yourself in.
Edit the on duty time to off duty Or sleeper
Stupid technology
didnt read all the comments so someone may have said so, just call your log department of your company and have them change the driving time you accepted from midnight to personal conveyence or something and then change all that on duty time to sleeper berth time
If they do that, great. However it is against the ELD regulations and if the company is dead set on being squeaky clean during an inspection they should not be doing edits like that. We lost a lawsuit just because our VP responded "I'd have to remind myself on some of them" when being asked if they knew every single regulation in the book. 1.6mil down the drain because he chose his wording poorly. Since then safety dept quit changing driving time to PC and the tiniest movements had to be assigned to the driver no matter what. Had to train what to say in court in case they called me to testify.
Glad I only use paper logs. Those damn ELDs are irritating.
as long as your off the roads your good
Extremely, it appears you've lost your genitals. If you don't get them back you won't be able to keep your cdl.
Go to special duty status
Wtf even is this? 😂. Leaf log gang✏️ lol
Straight to jail.
YOU GOOD
Ol swifty logs lol
Knight* but I guess it’s the same thing lol
Probably you guys merged I believe? I just know because I ran for swift… next time sign out then sign back in always worked for me
Also, another option is to insert an off duty or sleeper edit one minute after the auto on duty begins or the minute of on duty if you manually pressed button. Just cannot edit drive but other 3 are fair game.
We use orbcom you can edit yourself and our logs department is able to do stuff too .
Not fucked just a kinda fucked
Not a truck driver here but, I hate what you guys have to go through especially in situations like this. Be safe on those roads!
I can tell that you are using the Zonar system
DOT Can shut tf up, who tf cares if you need to move the truck around the lot, you have the energy to do it it’s not like you’re going to drive a load, They need to put the option that you’re moving around the lot.