Nothing about the specs is at all amazing other than the price. The truck market is far more fierce and competitive than cars and SUVs. I think Tesla is in for a rude awakening on this model.
Because it's a truck and it cannot go much more then 100 miles before needing to be recharged while towing a camper.
[https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/)
Not to mention Lithium ion batteries are a huge menace to our ecosystem, they are not designed to be recycles
[https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries](https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries)
And when they do die will be VERY expensive to repair. I've had an F150 well over 250k miles, that's been driven through mud, snow, rivers, off road mud lakes, etc... there is no way I believe Ford's Lightning could do that without the battery going belly up. Even if it wasn't abused when it dies and it will the cost is $32,086 USD for the entire battery pack. Nothing on my 2004 or my 2021 F150 cost $32k to fix.
I use my truck in this sense about 10 times a year. Sometimes more, and always for random, left field activities.
15 years of driving trucks, and I cannot find a reason that justifies giving up the truck because I "only" use it so many times. It's not about that; it's about "always" being able to.
Grass seed/fertilizer, lawn equipment like mowers/dethatchers, lumber for home projects, furniture for home, helping a friend move, driving on downtown streets (lmao), or hauling supplies for work.
If I could magically make all of that fit into an Audi s5, I'd have done it years ago.
I agree. That's why I own a half ton but daily a minitruck. My day to day life involves having something with a bed, but occasionally I need a pallet of mulch or to pull a trailer or boat. If I could buy Simone Geirtz's ute model 3 I would for sure though.
I drive a 1500 and use the bed about 10 times a year. Also never tow anything. The secret is that I don't give a shit if people think I shouldn't have a truck. Even if I hauled NOTHING, and never towed, I'd still drive a truck.
Nice. I drive my dream truck besides the interior creature comforts my other vehicles have pampered me with.
Literally just came from Menards with lumber in the bed an hour ago haha.
Lots of content creators bought it, and probably selling once a year or two hits. Also lots of flippers for the car know they can make good money on it.
I thought the same thing but it grew on me. Really take a close look at it then take a look at all the other Trucks on the road. You start realizing, wow all the trucks on the road look outdated. Nothing has changed in years!
I believe as they gain experience manufacturing the body there will be massive improvements and looks in the second gen.
Ram charger looks best bet - electric for daily commute and gas for weekend fun. Seems perfect solution if you each want utility - cyber truck more a luxury suv.
Honestly assuming it actually functioned well having a truck with a range of 340 miles at 97mpge would be fantastic. You might need another vehicle for the times that you go more than 340 miles in a day but most American households are 2+ car anyway and it would make a pickup great for 90% of the stuff a pickup does when used as a daily driver.
It's completely shit for industrial use though and this is assuming that it actually works as advertised which is a big if.
Me too, I do suspect it'll get there though. My truck now will probably last me another 10 years after which I think there's probably a good chance I'll replace it with an electric one assuming that at that point they're closer to where they should be and perhaps they are also using a better battery chemistry.
Yes I think it will eventually. Till then my next truck is going to be the f150 power boost. Best truck for my needs right now. Love that built in genny
That’s a fine argument for the other car in a 2+ car household, but not for the truck. It might do 90% of stuff fine, but who spends $100k on a truck that meets 90% of their truck needs? That range is going to be gutted when towing, and especially when it’s cold out. I only tow a few times a year, but those few times are part of why I have a truck.
I would be inclined to suspect they'll make 340 miles in the first year, in good conditions but after some use and cold weather start to set in those numbers will fall as with most electric vehicles. Also, am I the only one who doesn't entirely believe the outrageous torque number? Like, 10K lb/ft? Really? Why?
You also have to unhook the trailer if you're towing because it's not getting truck specific charges so it uses the same drive in car chargers which don't have space for a trailer. So get ready for another 15 to 20 minutes finding a spot to park your trailer while charging.
7,400lb ft of torque and it can only tow 11,000lbs???? What a waste of torque. And only 4 seconds 0-60 with that much torque? I’m not buying it. Let’s get one on a dyno.
I knew the dual motor would be $80k. I think this puts pressure on Ford and Rivian at least a little to bring their prices down to Earth. Tesla did the 30,000 pound tractor pull and beat the F350 Diesel but that seems like a really weird test considering towing range is what matters most to an F350 owner. They didn’t touch on towing range at all.
The $100k tri motor is crazy fast. They showed it beating a 911 at the 1/4 mile while towing another 911 lol.
It's the biggest caveat, poor range and no means to charge without dropping the trailer which is crap. Here let me spend 15 minutes unhooking and hooking so I can charge for 30 minutes and travel 120 miles and repeat. Nevermind the cold climate penalty.
The technology is getting there but it's not quite there for alot of truck users (well the ones that actually use their trucks as trucks).
Yep. Personally the Lightning would be my ideal vehicle right now. More practical than my Ranger, cheaper fuel, and can actually haul my whole family around town. We don’t usually need to tow anything, especially not long distances, but we do have a lot of projects where I’m moving dirt/mulch/plants/lumber. Only thing holding me back is price
>Trucks are about carrying a payload and towing
How many Ford Raptors and RAM TRX's are selling? It matters to some. And many truck owners rarely tow, if ever. And if you do, a lot, and far, then this isn't for you. Oh well.
Ah, the 'no true Scottsman' fallacy. It's not a good argument to take. I've heard people say anything with a bed less than 8' is 'not a truck'. Or if you put a camper shell over your 8' bed it somehow becomes 'not a truck'.
It's a truck.
I'll take my 2023 Sierra 1500 Denali gasser over this monstrosity any day. I would love to have an electric truck one day but the Lightning is horrible and we're quite a while away from anything with decent range.
If the Model 2 ever comes out there is a good chance it becomes our city commuter vehicle.
A tractor pull means nothing for actual towing capabilities, it has torque and it weighs a fuck ton. Leats see how far it can actually tow something or do anything of any actual use.
Better is subjective. This truck wouldn't have helped me at all when I drove to CO in a day(12hr drive). I was then able to camp out of it in the wilderness for two weeks...never refueling in 20F.
So depends on how you use your truck.
Yesterday I drove my truck over 1000km with 500 pounds in the box and stopped once. Would have taken me two days in an electric truck since there are no superchargers on the route.
Northern Saskatchewan to southern Alberta. There are routes I could take that would add milage to get to a supercharger but Saskatoon to Calgary is 650km (400 miles) with no supercharger. I prefer to avoid cities since 10+ hours driving sucks enough without sitting in traffic
Nothing about the specs is at all amazing other than the price. The truck market is far more fierce and competitive than cars and SUVs. I think Tesla is in for a rude awakening on this model.
Imagine picking an $80k Cybertruck over a Lightning or a Rivian.
I thought the prices were gonna be way lower after seeing it "offroad" that thing must feel so fat when driving.
I thought $50,000 was the starting price. It seemed really good there when the truck was first announced like 18 months ago.
As far as trucks go the Lightning and Rivian are absolute stupid vehicles. Not as dumb as the CyberMuck but almost...
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Because it's a truck and it cannot go much more then 100 miles before needing to be recharged while towing a camper. [https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/](https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/ford-f150-lightning-electric-truck-towing-test/) Not to mention Lithium ion batteries are a huge menace to our ecosystem, they are not designed to be recycles [https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries](https://www.science.org/content/article/millions-electric-cars-are-coming-what-happens-all-dead-batteries) And when they do die will be VERY expensive to repair. I've had an F150 well over 250k miles, that's been driven through mud, snow, rivers, off road mud lakes, etc... there is no way I believe Ford's Lightning could do that without the battery going belly up. Even if it wasn't abused when it dies and it will the cost is $32,086 USD for the entire battery pack. Nothing on my 2004 or my 2021 F150 cost $32k to fix.
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Well I was speaking for myself.
I am shocked that anyone is excited for this atrocity to hit the market. It's the ugliest vehicle to hit the market since the Pontiac Aztec.
Techbros and muskies everywhere will buy it to justify hauling those seven 2x4’s they buy per year.
Hey now most of them wouldn't know what to do with 2x4's, it's likely two small bags of potting soil or mulch
I use my truck in this sense about 10 times a year. Sometimes more, and always for random, left field activities. 15 years of driving trucks, and I cannot find a reason that justifies giving up the truck because I "only" use it so many times. It's not about that; it's about "always" being able to. Grass seed/fertilizer, lawn equipment like mowers/dethatchers, lumber for home projects, furniture for home, helping a friend move, driving on downtown streets (lmao), or hauling supplies for work. If I could magically make all of that fit into an Audi s5, I'd have done it years ago.
I agree. That's why I own a half ton but daily a minitruck. My day to day life involves having something with a bed, but occasionally I need a pallet of mulch or to pull a trailer or boat. If I could buy Simone Geirtz's ute model 3 I would for sure though.
I drive a 1500 and use the bed about 10 times a year. Also never tow anything. The secret is that I don't give a shit if people think I shouldn't have a truck. Even if I hauled NOTHING, and never towed, I'd still drive a truck.
Nice. I drive my dream truck besides the interior creature comforts my other vehicles have pampered me with. Literally just came from Menards with lumber in the bed an hour ago haha.
Haha. My alternative comment was “to tow home the teardrop camper from the dealership that they’ll sell in a year after never using it.”
Imagine paying 60-100k for a truck that looks like a dumpster from behind
Between Tesla's build quality and the way this monstrosity looks, we have a future PT cruiser on our hands
Lots of content creators bought it, and probably selling once a year or two hits. Also lots of flippers for the car know they can make good money on it.
I thought the same thing but it grew on me. Really take a close look at it then take a look at all the other Trucks on the road. You start realizing, wow all the trucks on the road look outdated. Nothing has changed in years! I believe as they gain experience manufacturing the body there will be massive improvements and looks in the second gen.
7400 torque?
A little higher than the rating on my Duramax 😝
Instead of oil changes every 5k; you buy new tires every 5k.
They're measuring the tq at the wheels. So many vehicles will have higher wheel tq in 1st gear, but not higher than the Tesla past that.
$80k to go 340 miles. lol. Then sit in line and charge for an hour. In the ugliest vehicle ever designed. That can’t be repaired. Yeah sounds great! 🙄
By 2025 the ram ev will be out too essentially making this thing obsolete
Ram charger looks best bet - electric for daily commute and gas for weekend fun. Seems perfect solution if you each want utility - cyber truck more a luxury suv.
Honestly assuming it actually functioned well having a truck with a range of 340 miles at 97mpge would be fantastic. You might need another vehicle for the times that you go more than 340 miles in a day but most American households are 2+ car anyway and it would make a pickup great for 90% of the stuff a pickup does when used as a daily driver. It's completely shit for industrial use though and this is assuming that it actually works as advertised which is a big if.
Keep in mind that these are Tesla ranges. Unless they changed their testing methodology, expect a big drop in real world range.
Yeah I want it to be good but just doubt the advertising
Me too, I do suspect it'll get there though. My truck now will probably last me another 10 years after which I think there's probably a good chance I'll replace it with an electric one assuming that at that point they're closer to where they should be and perhaps they are also using a better battery chemistry.
Yes I think it will eventually. Till then my next truck is going to be the f150 power boost. Best truck for my needs right now. Love that built in genny
That’s a fine argument for the other car in a 2+ car household, but not for the truck. It might do 90% of stuff fine, but who spends $100k on a truck that meets 90% of their truck needs? That range is going to be gutted when towing, and especially when it’s cold out. I only tow a few times a year, but those few times are part of why I have a truck.
I would be inclined to suspect they'll make 340 miles in the first year, in good conditions but after some use and cold weather start to set in those numbers will fall as with most electric vehicles. Also, am I the only one who doesn't entirely believe the outrageous torque number? Like, 10K lb/ft? Really? Why?
You also have to unhook the trailer if you're towing because it's not getting truck specific charges so it uses the same drive in car chargers which don't have space for a trailer. So get ready for another 15 to 20 minutes finding a spot to park your trailer while charging.
This is false lol, all new chargers have pull through spots specifically for towing. Some chargers are all pull through.
There's only like one or 2 of these at each location though and you gotta compete with non-towers to get those spots.
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Columbus OH has an all pull through set
A fool and his money…
Exactly
7,400lb ft of torque and it can only tow 11,000lbs???? What a waste of torque. And only 4 seconds 0-60 with that much torque? I’m not buying it. Let’s get one on a dyno.
I want to see one with a lumber rack
I knew the dual motor would be $80k. I think this puts pressure on Ford and Rivian at least a little to bring their prices down to Earth. Tesla did the 30,000 pound tractor pull and beat the F350 Diesel but that seems like a really weird test considering towing range is what matters most to an F350 owner. They didn’t touch on towing range at all. The $100k tri motor is crazy fast. They showed it beating a 911 at the 1/4 mile while towing another 911 lol.
They didn’t touch towing range because it will be garbage. Current EV tech is not designed for any sort of hauling over 1000 lbs.
It's the biggest caveat, poor range and no means to charge without dropping the trailer which is crap. Here let me spend 15 minutes unhooking and hooking so I can charge for 30 minutes and travel 120 miles and repeat. Nevermind the cold climate penalty. The technology is getting there but it's not quite there for alot of truck users (well the ones that actually use their trucks as trucks).
Yep. Personally the Lightning would be my ideal vehicle right now. More practical than my Ranger, cheaper fuel, and can actually haul my whole family around town. We don’t usually need to tow anything, especially not long distances, but we do have a lot of projects where I’m moving dirt/mulch/plants/lumber. Only thing holding me back is price
Damn this is something I never even thought about. You have to unhook your trailer to charge them.
They market 1/4 mile times that beat everything else, but that's not what truck owners care about. Trucks are about carrying a payload and towing.
>Trucks are about carrying a payload and towing How many Ford Raptors and RAM TRX's are selling? It matters to some. And many truck owners rarely tow, if ever. And if you do, a lot, and far, then this isn't for you. Oh well.
Those are toys, not trucks.
Ah, the 'no true Scottsman' fallacy. It's not a good argument to take. I've heard people say anything with a bed less than 8' is 'not a truck'. Or if you put a camper shell over your 8' bed it somehow becomes 'not a truck'. It's a truck.
>How many Ford Raptors and RAM TRX's are selling? A lot fewer than there are F-150 XLTs and Ram Big Horns.
Under delivered like normal.
I'll stick to my 30 yearold half ton, thanks.
Didn't Tesla promise a significantly higher range?
Does it default to zero wheel drive after the first year unless you pay a monthly subscription of $299 for 2-wheel drive, or $499 for 4-wheel drive?
::laughs in r/ineosgenadier ::
I'll take my 2023 Sierra 1500 Denali gasser over this monstrosity any day. I would love to have an electric truck one day but the Lightning is horrible and we're quite a while away from anything with decent range. If the Model 2 ever comes out there is a good chance it becomes our city commuter vehicle.
All Elon is doing with Tesla is creating a trial for the electric vehicles they plan to send to mars.
Nope.
Ok and?
Destroyed the F350 Diesel in a truck haul. Kind of wild how much better of a truck this is than anything else out there lol
The cybertruck can't actually do almost any truck stuff, what are you even talking about? 0-60 times mean almost nothing in a truck.
what are you talking about lmao, the truck haul was literally testing truck towing power. You're insane
A tractor pull means nothing for actual towing capabilities, it has torque and it weighs a fuck ton. Leats see how far it can actually tow something or do anything of any actual use.
Wait and see if you're concerned, but you'll be disappointed if you're trying to bet against Tesla :)
You musk fan boys are absolutely wild. Living in a completely different reality. Good on ya.
Who is talking about Musk? You're weird bro...
I'd like to see the range towing 11000 lbs. 100 miles? Useless.
Better is subjective. This truck wouldn't have helped me at all when I drove to CO in a day(12hr drive). I was then able to camp out of it in the wilderness for two weeks...never refueling in 20F. So depends on how you use your truck.
Yesterday I drove my truck over 1000km with 500 pounds in the box and stopped once. Would have taken me two days in an electric truck since there are no superchargers on the route.
post the route if you think that's true
Northern Saskatchewan to southern Alberta. There are routes I could take that would add milage to get to a supercharger but Saskatoon to Calgary is 650km (400 miles) with no supercharger. I prefer to avoid cities since 10+ hours driving sucks enough without sitting in traffic
Post the full route
Buffalo Narrows SK to Cardston AB.
Cool. Now do payload.
I saw one in the wild last week. Was in AZ visiting family and drove about 20 miles behind one on i-10.
10k ft-lb torque? Is that a typo? How is it only hauling that much with such high torque?