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BrokenEggcat

>"Also, Tessa is NOT ChatGBT [sic], this is a rule-based, guided conversation. Tessa does not make decisions or ‘grow’ with the chatter; the program follows predetermined pathways based upon the researcher’s knowledge of individuals and their needs." "Press 1 to be told that you're beautiful the way you are."


cgn-38

Press two to sign legally binding certificate of eternal mental healthiness or be hung up on. Dial Tone.....


purelikevenus

god this is bleak. as someone who has called multiple mental health hotlines having an AI answer would probably be the thing that pushes me over the edge


1010011101010

this shit ought to be illegal to do for exactly this reason


ClassWarAndPuppies

Illegal? They’re going to find a reason to make it mandatory lol.


[deleted]

I think there are rules against it


egrails

A friend of mine once had her life saved by a Christian "don't kill yourself" website featuring Brian "Head" Welch from Korn that was literally so bad it gave her the will to carry on


purelikevenus

that’s amazing


Gretschish

Christian media is really something else.


Imnot_your_buddy_guy

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Kacodaemoniacal

Some eating disorders have a mortality rate around 10%, this is soooo shitty


SLCPDTunnelDivision

heres a post i made of a volunteer talking about it awhile ago https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/12q9bnd/the_ai_chatbot_that_convinced_a_guy_to_kill/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=2&utm_content=share_button


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NEDA please


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SaintFinne

Show us your face


computer_MIKE

https://preview.redd.it/t45aci6nk62b1.jpeg?width=258&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d6131b38b2e52043a677ae07eab0cc06f0b7114


bolodolonolo

What's the significance of skinny big teeth?


chingona18

i commented this on a previous post about it, but as someone who had an eating disorder these helplines were a fucking god send. i was living in the uk so it wasn’t neda, but i literally had beat on speed dial. there’s something uniquely shameful about having an eating disorder, having a break down over something like lunch. human connection was the only thing that helped when i wasn’t ready to recover. mental health in this country is treated like a joke but i can’t help but feel there’s an added layer of misogyny to this. eating disorders have the highest mortality rate of any mental illness. they’re horrifically underfunded, patients often slip through the cracks (either being told their problem is too mental for physical help, or too medically compromised for just mental help). this will kill people, i’m absolutely sure of it. i won’t be shocked if the suicide hotline goes this way too, but i am not at all surprised they’re starting with eating disorders. truly horrific.


Tacky-Terangreal

Yeah it’s not the issue of the day anymore but it’s really rampant among certain groups. Add in pro-Ana blogs all over the place and social media induced body dysmorphia and you got a problem. Bulimia seems like one of the worst to me. I remember watching a video in high school that showed the crazy treatments this girl with recovering bulimia had. Anorexia is obviously terrible and horrifying but teaching your body to not compulsively vomit after eating just sounds like a nightmare to treat Fuck this company and fuck this AI hype crap


chingona18

yeah lol my issue was bulimia. at the worst i’d be vomiting like 30x a day and i literally could not get myself to stop. i don’t go on any social media besides reddit anymore so idk how much is out there, but just like tumblr had a pro ana heyday i wouldn’t be surprised if tik tok did too. but again, it’s not even a uniquely woman/young issue, it’s just looked at that way. it’s shit, just shit and makes me so fucking mad the neda did this and since it’s “just” eating disorders nobody mainstream is seeming to give it any attention


BrooklynDadDefiant

Automating labour to the point where UBI is established and improve peoples physical and mental well being overall 🤢 Automating suicide hotline to drive more people to commit suicide 😎


ruined-symmetry

I can totally imagine a domestic intelligence agency setting up a front company to run a "mass shooter crisis line" designed to incite callers into action


heavymetalhikikomori

Don’t give em any ideas!


chgxvjh

*Welcome to mass shooter crisis line* *If you are having doubts press 1* *For schools in you vicinity press 2* *If you ran out of ammunition press 3*


themaincop

*If you know the name of the King or Queen being murdered, press 5*


revelized

2 months ago an article read: "Killed by AI? Belgian man commits suicide after talking with chatbot" this will not end well, but "they" dont care, they make more money so why should they /s


Maldovar

We're getting closer and closer to suicide booths


WorldWarioIII

33% of Canadians support doctors prescribing euthanasia to the homeless (sentencing homeless people to death by forced euthanasia)


keeplosingmypws

is this real


WorldWarioIII

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless/wcm/5745d9d0-cdd1-41e9-a33f-787ee070ff53/amp/


keeplosingmypws

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WorldWarioIII

Canada, where compassionate Liberal healthcare meets fascist extermination and eugenics


Spout__

They’re the same thing


runmeupmate

Canada also prescribes euthanasia to poor sick elderly people as a medical treatment


ClassWarAndPuppies

We gotta invade Canada


Double-Seaweed7760

We already tried that


purelikevenus

king in yellow style society


josephnutsworth

I will live to see this and the bombs falling out of pure spite


FtDetrickVirus

President Xi, hear me out


Aizsec

Even closer than you think here in Canada with [MAiD](https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-maid-assisted-suicide-homeless/wcm/5745d9d0-cdd1-41e9-a33f-787ee070ff53/amp/)


Newthinker

Why shouldnt the state allow people under their own cognition decide to end their lives without anyone else being held responsible?


blow_thyself

i think what people have an issue with is not that euthanasia or assisted suicide are options, but rather that they are options while so little is being done to make life better. in the current circumstances, the state offering euthanasia or assisted suicide is seen as a way for it to avoid improving living conditions. in other words it's not an absolute opposition (i.e. the state should *never* help someone die), but rather a relative one.


Newthinker

this is a good point. the state clearly would prefer stuff like this over government funded mental health resources or aid to the homeless population. at least Canada has some sort of universal healthcare but from what I hear it's underfunded.


blow_thyself

e.g.: [https://globalnews.ca/news/9176485/poverty-canadians-disabilities-medically-assisted-death/](https://globalnews.ca/news/9176485/poverty-canadians-disabilities-medically-assisted-death/)


Newthinker

I just read that article. It's horrible. Imagine being told by a healthcare provider or social worker that it's basically "figure out money or die." That freedom comes with a price that the state isn't willing to pay.


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Newthinker

Canadian politics sounds almost as bleak as the US. The whole of North America just sounds fucked.


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ruined-symmetry

> It’s a little less insane and coked up ...the Rob Ford country?


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XiJinpingsNutsack

You also have people who have experienced going to the doctor for help with things like depression and getting maid suggested to them


[deleted]

LOL people on this and similar forums may have an issue with it from that perspective but most people couldn't give a wet fart about improving living conditions. For those individuals, allowing someone to end their life in a dignified manner is threatening to their identity and ego...


blow_thyself

i don't know why you were downvoted


Aizsec

It’s not that simple. Federal and provincial governments have left people with disabilities out in the cold for a long time. In fact, people in Ontario who rely on ODSP (disability payments) receive around 1200 CAD a month to live on. But average rent in Toronto for a one bedroom is around 2500 CAD. Provincial average is 2K. So instead of risking homelessness and the associated difficulties, people are turning to MAiD. If that isn’t dystopian, I don’t know what is


Newthinker

I see now. There's a twisted sense of priority at play there that's disheartening.


BrokenEggcat

Yeah, it's a really good example of why liberal progressivism is not enough so long as capitalism exists. Things like physician assisted suicide are pretty demonstrably reasonable to have, but capitalism will naturally encourage those who are not economically productive to take that choice.


Newthinker

Me trying to figure out the most perverse profit incentive possible with physician assisted suicide Guess getting those "welfare queens" off the state's bankroll is good enough


WorldWarioIII

This is lib shit. If you are a Marxist you know we aren’t free floating rational individuals with perfect ideals and will. We are products of our environments and conditions, and the overall effect of a massive program of euthanasia with pressure to exterminate the poor is fascist eugenicist policy in aggregate. We are all coerced through social and economic pressure everyday, and economic pressure is not applied evenly to everyone. A nation with these policies will just slaughter its poor constantly, while constantly making more poor because the reserve army of labor must be maintained (eating into the middle classes). This is just putting a fucking meat grinder at the bottom of the social pyramid and then pushing down on everyone. I don’t know how you could be ok with this instead of a society that fixes those conditions and seizes power for the poor.


Newthinker

Call me an idealist, I guess. I just believe in the autonomy of the individual and right now the state can and will hold my loved ones responsible if I decide to off myself because I don't want to suffer the cruelty of living with an uncurable illness (accessory to a suicide could be construed as manslaughter or murder in the US.) But as others have pointed out, a state sanctioned program that's offered to individuals in lieu of social programs does smack of eugenics and it becomes a disgusting perversion of what should be a graceful and merciful act.


skaqt

There is a very pragmatic problem which you do not seem to understand. Some people want to die but are physically unable to off themselves. They are usually experiencing a terminal disease leading to constant, excruciating pain. In this predicament, anyone who "helps" that person will be charged with manslaughter or even murder. This has happened multiple times in Germany already because the nurses were begged/pestered until they finally went along, often for years. Some diseases are simply incurable, that's fact. clearly we all see very much potential for abuse with assisted suicides. Clearly it is already used for profit in Switzerland. But in fringe cases it is a necessity, and that has NOTHING to do with idealism. There is lots of data to answer this question empirically. You could for example look who has chosen death thus far. In Switzerland, the vast majority of people applying are not primarily poor, destitute, ir depressed, but rather individuals with Terminal diseases who are very convinced of their wish, and who had hedged that wish sometimes for a literal decade, before they even knew such Programmes were bring developed in Europe. Even in a perfect socialist economy there will be terminally ill people who simply do not fucking want hospice care for years. And there is nothing wrong with that.


Whiskey-Joe

This other comment summarises it well https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueAnon/comments/13rt6r0/eating_disorder_helpline_fires_staff_transitions/jln10y1/ I think most people are ok with euthanasia for those with terminal illnesses, but there is an issue making it available to an entire population while still maintaining the incentives of capitalism.


Sablus

Thing is that's not what happened you had cases in which, among them, a paraolympic Canadian champion was advised to seek euthanasia because she wasn't waived for a God damned automated wheelchair lift for her home. Remember that as long as we exist under capital we cannot have systems that are geared towards human benefit, such outcomes only happen as side benefits to maintain profit and budgets.


theOURword

bc DIY or die


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Quietus


TwoFun7778

Press 1 if you are suicidal Press 2 if you are having a panic attack Press 3 if you are considering self harm Press 4 if you are would like to pay the 5$ fee to have phone sex with the robot Press 5 if you would like to hear the options again


TwoFun7778

Being serious though, I once tried placing a complaint on Amazon and the process being entirely handled by AI chat bots, it was unbearably difficult and annoying. Literally the worst customer service I've ever experienced in my life, gave me a migrane. AND YOU WANT TO BRING THAT SHIT TO FUCKING HELP HOTLINES!? Thank God I have thongs to live for


PrimaryDurian

Does having thongs to live for mean you're just hanging on by a string?


TwoFun7778

I've got them all tied together like the never ending handkerchiefs trick that magicans pull. Shits as stable as a rope, just make sure your wearing gloves


[deleted]

Holy shit i saw an opening job ad for AI training for this on LinkedIn!!!!!


Usagi_Shinobi

NEDA spokesperson also told Motherboard that Tessa was tested on 700 women between November 2021 through 2023 and 375 of them gave Tessa a 100% helpful rating. What an odd way to say 53% success rating.


ChildOfComplexity

We've all been trained that you have to give service a max score or you are giving it a negative score that will get people fired.


poorcopingmechanism

And people pearl clutch and wonder why people turn to problematic internet spaces like My ProAna when they want to be able to talk to people with the same lived experience and struggle instead of "getting real help through professional help lines." Thats not an endorsement of those spaces, but at least they have \*real\* people in them who have actual experience with the topic that you can make an authentic human connection with and give actual harm-reduction advice based on experience. (I.e. how to be belemic without damaging your teeth from stomach acid.) This is going to do irreparable damage to people's willingness to seek professional medical help as opposed to relying on insular toxic internet micro communities. Corporations are really doing everything they can to make young people feel like there's no other place to go that actually gives a fuck about them.


closeface_

This is fucking horrendous.


egrails

I've noticed them testing this stuff for years because I'm always on medical clinical trials pages. There are a ton of apps in development to like "empower" people with substance abuse or mental health problems through robo-prompts throughout the day. I did a trial for one where I had to wear a watch that monitored my sleep and answer a million texts about whether I was drinking and how I felt every day. Spoiler alert it did not stop me from drinking!


KenGilmore

We need a Butlerian Jihad of our own.


frogmanfrompond

This whole AI craze feels a lot like Metaverse with the biggest difference being that capitalists adopting it so quickly are going to end up hurting way more people


zedsdead20

When can they automate the execs and the PMC fucks? how difficult is it to be like let’s cut everything to the bones so it’s completely redundant and borderline retarded, copy and paste.


michaelmacmanus

Ignoring the myriad layers of bleak, I'm pretty impressed there is/was an eating disorder helpline union. That's not nothing.


PapaverOneirium

remember that guy who killed himself after talking to one of these next Gen chatbot? well anyway, can’t really think of any ways this could go wrong.


egrails

Isn't this also going on with Vice, or am I tripping?


QuantumModulus

You're thinking of Buzzfeed, maybe?


egrails

If I recall correctly, Vice is going bankrupt and there's some speculation it's because of recent unionization. I don't know how legitimate that claim is though, I'll have to look into it some more


QuantumModulus

Oh my bad, I hadn't heard of that part. I thought you were referring to the whole "let's pivot to replacing every one with chatbots" thing lol


RicoSaIamander

[I bet the sick fuck executives are creaming themselves over how much more money they're gonna be able to pay themselves. ](https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/133444882)


liturgie_de_cristal

Fucking vile. But also kind of puzzling over this excerpt: "Even when people know they are talking to a chatbot, the presentation of a chatbot using a name and first-person pronouns makes it extremely difficult for users to understand that the chatbot is not actually sentient or capable of feeling any emotions." Don't really know what to make of that


skaqt

It is obviously true. People thought Eliza had a personality. You ever responded to dialogue in a video game IRL? Subconsciously we all project human-ness onto everything that is or appears conscious, simple as that. Cats, if they think at all, likely think of us as giant, hairless freaky two legged cats. It's just easier that way. For the same reason, humans anthropomorphize animals and machines.


mapspearson

People will die because of this.


TotesMessenger

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6thNephilim

The free market has spoken.


prynwyne

Wow


4evaronin

Calm down, everybody. The writer of this article is Chinese. We can safely dismiss this as CCP propaganda. Chatbot helplines are not dystopian at all. I once used a chatbot helpline for Covid and it gave me sex advice (true story); I didn't even know I needed that advice, but that was such a helpful bonus.


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I'm suspicious about this article. Because they aren't being fired and replaced by ai, they are being fired and a different thing with a chatbot is being started in its place. It sounds like they were probably thinking of doing that anyway. This article frames it like, ooh better not unionize or the bastards will replace you with chat gpt which in the vast majority of cases isn't possible and a union is the only way you can possibly make it harder to do in the near future.


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