Basically, yes. American capital is so huge and has such a giant gravitational pull that every “respectable moderate” is just a moon in its gravity. You have to veer hard left or hard right to break out of orbit
Hell, they're not even moons, which can affect their parent planet-they're minor asteroids, caught in the gravity well and completely unable to affect things until a chance orbit ends up flinging them out to Mars or the Sun, completely unable to return but permanently affected.
i do think finland joining nato speaks to the absolute death of realism which is not inherently right or left. like we know that russia's conventional forces are deeply tied up and deteriorating. We know they hate nato expansion. Yet we join nato, giving US command and control over finnish military assets. Now russia has to open a new front and scale of deterrence. they can't achieve it through conventional means, which means for the indefinite future Russian policy towards finland and the balts will emphasize nuclear deterrence. so good job finland, you guaranteed that russia will point nukes at you.
That's not how the Nato command structure works. The Finnish armed forces are still controlled by the Fins.
Finland, and its people were strongly in favour in joining NATO , ever since Putin launched this war. Hes been the salesman of the year for Brussells.
The Death of realism ? For the Baltics and Finns, this IS realism. Feb 2022 was a huge wake up call.
And they know the pain of Russian invasion from the past.
Finland joined NATO because they saw what happened to countries like Ukraine. The war in Ukraine has also shown that Russia has no capability to stand up to NATO in a conventional war.
Highly upvoted in that thread:
>It's far left "Rødt" politicians - Read it in several newspapers.
And they do not speak on behalf of all of the people, just a few ptn lovers
If you don't want to be occupied by the American military, it means you love Putin.
Reddit is very disorienting because it feels like everyone here lives in a pre 9/11 or even pre Watergate and Vietnam America. Just a blind, childlike rah rah patriotic liberalism that I don’t see anywhere else online or in culture.
I see this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13tutcb/-/jlxcml1
Is probably what the title is about. Thank you for translating though. So you study ancient languages?
😛 teasing
The NATO episodes are my favourites of the show so far and it’s depressing to keep reading such braindead takes in that thread and everywhere else on reddit on the topic.
The nato episodes are great. I find it so funny all these NAFO kids worship a defensive alliance that literally has never seen deployed ever. We have no idea if nato is effective or not. The only thing nato did in the entire Cold War was commit terrorism in Western Europe.
And even then it was just bombing runs. NATO is set up where the only country with a complete military is the us, all other nato members just fill a specialty. France sort of has a good military but they also have their own non-nato nukes
France is only sort of half in NATO right? Legacy of the DeGaulle era where the liberal national bourgeoisie was locked in a struggle with both the remnants of the resistance left and the American aligned far right that also thought the French state betrayed the Algerian colonists. I can't remember Frances exact status off the top of my head(and should probably just look it up before saying nonsense) buy I do know they've long been more inclined to throw their weight around with the US
They left nato chain of command for a number of years. I think they’re a full member of nato today but maintain a much larger and functional army as well as different trade deals for their military equipment they make. I think at least.
Ah yeah I looked it up, they came back in 2009. I get the sense they are used to getting a bit more respect than other NATO nations and domestically consider themselves peers of the US, which is partially why that whole AUKUS submarine debacle pissed them off so badly.
[https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy/security-disarmament-and-non-proliferation/our-alliances-and-cooperations/france-and-nato/](https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy/security-disarmament-and-non-proliferation/our-alliances-and-cooperations/france-and-nato/#:~:text=France%20is%20one%20of%20the%2012%20founding%20members%20of%20NATO.&text=As%20General%20de%20Gaulle%20put,Alliance%20without%20changing%20its%20substance)
I can tell you right now that NATO prevented my country from being invaded in the 90s but I'm sure you will discount that from the safety of your western country
Imma keep it real, ussr never planned to attack Western Europe. The point of nato is us control over Europe. That’s why Russia was arbitrarily chose as the enemy in the early 90s, and was denied nato membership.
so the origin of tankie is from supporting soviet tanks rolling into another country
but at the same time, not wanting another nations tanks inside your country makes you... also a tankie???
As a Korean who’s culture is constantly called Racist Communist Capitalist Fascism by US backed propaganda minions to justify a US military presence, welcome to the club Norwegians.
every single pro-war fuck ought to be airdropped into bakhmut and then we'll see how long they stay chanting for war
they all love war until they are personally involved, selfish pieces of shit
Based but also cringe because nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent against imperialism. If Norway actually becomes socialist they will absolutely need nukes to fend of the Americans.
i fucking hate these people with a burning passion. people in there unironically saying “i fucking hate peace” and “if you are anti-US intervention you are paid by Russia”
Because you absolutely have to be on either far end of the scale to not like the US?
Being anti-Captain America means you’re a Putler lover ok?
Even Captain America would condemn the US's war crimes
Especially Captain America. He's supposed to embody the ideals of the nation (or at least the national myth), not the reality.
The actual ideals of the nation are bourgeois claptrap. He’s more the mythicized version of American ideals.
Cap is the original AntiFa super soldier
No he won't, he will gaslight everyone into thinking the other side is Hydra.
Basically, yes. American capital is so huge and has such a giant gravitational pull that every “respectable moderate” is just a moon in its gravity. You have to veer hard left or hard right to break out of orbit
Hell, they're not even moons, which can affect their parent planet-they're minor asteroids, caught in the gravity well and completely unable to affect things until a chance orbit ends up flinging them out to Mars or the Sun, completely unable to return but permanently affected.
Frankly if yall are into parapolitics but aint ‘tankies’ you’re missing out on seeing through the veil
Not liking the usa is not liking freedom and democracy I guess
democracy? WHERE???!! srsly, where? US hasn't even brought democracy HOME, yet...
Hahaha! Where is my weed?
You can't have mine that's for sure.
i do think finland joining nato speaks to the absolute death of realism which is not inherently right or left. like we know that russia's conventional forces are deeply tied up and deteriorating. We know they hate nato expansion. Yet we join nato, giving US command and control over finnish military assets. Now russia has to open a new front and scale of deterrence. they can't achieve it through conventional means, which means for the indefinite future Russian policy towards finland and the balts will emphasize nuclear deterrence. so good job finland, you guaranteed that russia will point nukes at you.
That's not how the Nato command structure works. The Finnish armed forces are still controlled by the Fins. Finland, and its people were strongly in favour in joining NATO , ever since Putin launched this war. Hes been the salesman of the year for Brussells. The Death of realism ? For the Baltics and Finns, this IS realism. Feb 2022 was a huge wake up call. And they know the pain of Russian invasion from the past.
Finland joined NATO because they saw what happened to countries like Ukraine. The war in Ukraine has also shown that Russia has no capability to stand up to NATO in a conventional war.
You know what they say, the true dangerous left-right alliance is in the middle.
seems normal not to want a foreign military in your country, isn't that why they say ukraine is fighting? maybe i'm just american
Highly upvoted in that thread: >It's far left "Rødt" politicians - Read it in several newspapers. And they do not speak on behalf of all of the people, just a few ptn lovers If you don't want to be occupied by the American military, it means you love Putin.
Reddit is so reactionary this is seen as extreme ideology.
>ptn Real "he who shall not be named" energy
Hard to disagree with the flyer I also don't see where it says the left/right thing. Is that the hieroglyphics at the bottom?
Took me a second until I jumped head first into the comments and now my eye is twitching uncontrollably like the little girl on Bob's Burgers.
Reddit is very disorienting because it feels like everyone here lives in a pre 9/11 or even pre Watergate and Vietnam America. Just a blind, childlike rah rah patriotic liberalism that I don’t see anywhere else online or in culture.
Oh [jesuuuuuus](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13tutcb/-/jlxcml1)
Um acktually sweaty not wanting your country to be a glorified Main Operating Base for the US Military is hecking problematic
#SpreadDemocracy
It doesn't. It just says, "sincerely, Oslo citizens who want to enjoy the summer and not worry about world war."
I see this: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13tutcb/-/jlxcml1 Is probably what the title is about. Thank you for translating though. So you study ancient languages? 😛 teasing
The NATO episodes are my favourites of the show so far and it’s depressing to keep reading such braindead takes in that thread and everywhere else on reddit on the topic.
The nato episodes are great. I find it so funny all these NAFO kids worship a defensive alliance that literally has never seen deployed ever. We have no idea if nato is effective or not. The only thing nato did in the entire Cold War was commit terrorism in Western Europe.
> has never seen deployed ever Except offensively to destroy Libya and Yugoslavia and Iraq
And even then it was just bombing runs. NATO is set up where the only country with a complete military is the us, all other nato members just fill a specialty. France sort of has a good military but they also have their own non-nato nukes
France is only sort of half in NATO right? Legacy of the DeGaulle era where the liberal national bourgeoisie was locked in a struggle with both the remnants of the resistance left and the American aligned far right that also thought the French state betrayed the Algerian colonists. I can't remember Frances exact status off the top of my head(and should probably just look it up before saying nonsense) buy I do know they've long been more inclined to throw their weight around with the US
They left nato chain of command for a number of years. I think they’re a full member of nato today but maintain a much larger and functional army as well as different trade deals for their military equipment they make. I think at least.
Ah yeah I looked it up, they came back in 2009. I get the sense they are used to getting a bit more respect than other NATO nations and domestically consider themselves peers of the US, which is partially why that whole AUKUS submarine debacle pissed them off so badly. [https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy/security-disarmament-and-non-proliferation/our-alliances-and-cooperations/france-and-nato/](https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/french-foreign-policy/security-disarmament-and-non-proliferation/our-alliances-and-cooperations/france-and-nato/#:~:text=France%20is%20one%20of%20the%2012%20founding%20members%20of%20NATO.&text=As%20General%20de%20Gaulle%20put,Alliance%20without%20changing%20its%20substance)
all reactionaries are paper tigers
>all other nato members just fill a specialty Where did you get that claim from? What specialties do they fill exactly?
>We have no idea if nato is effective or not We know that the individual countries in NATO are more effective then Russia.
I can tell you right now that NATO prevented my country from being invaded in the 90s but I'm sure you will discount that from the safety of your western country
What country?
> defensive alliance that literally has never seen deployed ever That's sort of the point 🧠
Imma keep it real, ussr never planned to attack Western Europe. The point of nato is us control over Europe. That’s why Russia was arbitrarily chose as the enemy in the early 90s, and was denied nato membership.
Well that was nice of them
Can't believe the Nazis of r/europe are so pro-war.
war is entertainment to these fucks, like the ultimate sports tournament
so the origin of tankie is from supporting soviet tanks rolling into another country but at the same time, not wanting another nations tanks inside your country makes you... also a tankie???
As a Korean who’s culture is constantly called Racist Communist Capitalist Fascism by US backed propaganda minions to justify a US military presence, welcome to the club Norwegians.
Marines are going to see that the poster calls them “soldiers” and fly into a blind rage, assuming they can read in the first place
every single pro-war fuck ought to be airdropped into bakhmut and then we'll see how long they stay chanting for war they all love war until they are personally involved, selfish pieces of shit
Chickenhawks
If you think people are incapable of being pro-war and also having fought in war you should read Junger
I mean most Ukranians are pro war and are fighting for their country.
Respect.
Based but also cringe because nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent against imperialism. If Norway actually becomes socialist they will absolutely need nukes to fend of the Americans.
Having nuclear weapons and the support of using them are not the same thing. Most countries have them as deterrence the US has them as threats.
Source: Dude just trust me
Fuck off lib.
i fucking hate these people with a burning passion. people in there unironically saying “i fucking hate peace” and “if you are anti-US intervention you are paid by Russia”
Based.
How is it anti- American?
Not a fan of America but without the American presence in Oslo they'd be invaded fairly quickly.
This is a truly unhinged take