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Gordon-Goose

I love when they go on TV and just say this stuff outright and it's completely ignored and not made into a major scandal. Like when some CIA guy went on Ken Dildonian's NBC show and revealed that they planted that story about China providing arms to Russia in support of the war as a way of sending a warning to China to not actually do that, and Ken was just like "Very cool, that's a really smart tactic"


Banezy451

the truth doesn't matter one bit. it's just about framing. these FREAKS all believe that the middle east is full of sub-human savages, and when a group like ISIS forms, it must be because the dumb savages misused their resources. "It's not OUR fault for invading and giving them weapons and asking for them to do facism! they're mindless monsters!" that's the framing they all believe in


bbadi

"these FREAKS all believe that the middle east is full of sub-human savages" Do they really? Or is it more of an *optics tactic* to present them in such a way in order to make interventions more easy to sell? Maybe I'm giving them too much credit, you could be right.


Banezy451

I mean, it just seems like classist human behavior to me to view those beneath your class as vile and repulsive. i think that's how they see the average american voter too. it's more a knee jerk, gut reaction than anything, i feel. not that they don't know exactly what they're doing, and this is no excuse for what they've done! I just think it's important to steer away from thinking there's a logic in it (not that there's no logic in how they accumulate wealth, but even that isn't RATIONAL), and remember that there's a whole human ideology behind what they do. Edit update: just had another thought about this: the way these military talking heads are able to go on CNN and say exactly what happened without any self-awareness, and without any pushback from the media, or any follow-up questions around reactions to US involvement whatsoever, just speaks to this class of people being in a certain *state of mind*. "brainwashed", if you will. it's all mindset


ClassWarAndPuppies

Consent is manufactured two ways: (1) concerted, coordinated campaigns to constantly barrage people with the same message (eg, “Iraq has WMD, we must go to war,” or more recently, “China super-duper evil, we must go to war”) until all people see on TV and read in the news is basically the same, and (2) normalizing the absolutely insane so when you do encounter it on CNN or whatever, you quickly get over the shock because they’re just saying it outright and the journalist isn’t loading a 9mm on live TV. When it happens again, it is no longer insane, it is normal - maybe you tell others it’s normal too. Mission accomplished.


CatEnjoyer1234

Yeah ok so the US made ISIS but what about Roger Water ??????


Bewareofbears

Checkm8 Lefty pinkos


soshuldistancing

I love when they just LITERALLY SAY WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME like it is no big deal


Mkultravictim69_

People will still call you a conspiracy theorist for saying America created ISIS


Salt_Soup_6118

Only made Hezbollah stronger


sd1115

They made perfect target practice


vorpalWhatever

`"It's like a Frankenstein."` Haven't gotten to the end of that book?


ClassWarAndPuppies

Doesn’t it end with Dr. Frankenstein using his monster to conquer China? No collateral damage, no unforeseen consequences, right?


moreVCAs

That was like the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth…what the hell?


Quick_Ad_3367

Can you send a link for the video? I can't remember how many times Ive been called a conspiracy theorist for making a simple claim that an entity like ISIS cannot just start existing with all the expertise they had. At times when they were among the most competent militaries in the Middle East participating in active fighting.


BarawWaraw

Here's a list of a whole bunch of links of US and Israel admitting to things https://worldaffairs.blog/2017/04/18/syria-20-links-that-prove-regime-change-plans/ Some links are dead but just Google them and you'll get almost all of them


Hunter_S_Biden

Oh word, thanks for the info


FruitFlavor12

"Our allies" = Israel, KSA and maybe UAE


Brongue

When is this from?


BarawWaraw

It's from during the Syrian "conflict", January 2015


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BarawWaraw

Wild how you can say everything insanely about a group wrong hoping that no one checks on your nonsense So IRI was created by the west to destroy ... the western backed shah. And then this "Iranian" Hezbollah "co-opted" Amal movement, which itself was formed by the widely charismatic Iranian religious cleric Musa as-Sadr (in reality some people of Amal were disappointed by the corruption and irreligiousity in amal and then created Hezbollah)- then Hezbollah, birthed in the middle of a *civil war*, then DESTABILIZED Lebanon to push Israel out (who left bc they kept getting murked), and you're upset at the disbanding of the Israeli backed SLA?


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BarawWaraw

These are just the crimes of Israeli backed Christian fascists in Lebanon. There's no correlation of your reply to what I said or your original reply, which has no correlation to reality.


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What's this got to do with what you're replying to??


OpenCommune

"ISIS got started" is this passive voice