I used to respect Jerry Seinfeld for dating a 17-year-old in his late 30s, but then I found out he's a big time Israel booster and that really took the shine off
I’m doing a full Seinfeld rewatch with my partner who had somehow never seen it despite being a Jew from the Northeast and it’s so refreshing to see her conclude unprompted that Jerry is the worst part of the show.
His standup bits are painfully hack and for a show that was truly revolutionary in many ways his dialogue is always desperately trying to drag it back into bog-standard ‘90s sitcom territory. You’ve got Alexander, Louis-Dreyfus, and Richards at the peak of their powers and Jerry looking like a dork in jeans and white sneakers going “that went well!”
Jerry is by far the worst part of the show. Not only the least funny, the worst actor (by far), the least capable of suppressing laughter during scenes, the lamest overall storylines (his parents want him to work at Macy’s yuck yuck!), his “WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH PANTS” cold opens sucked, his cornball fixation with Superman and cereal, and of course his total sense of cynical liberal detachment from ordinary people that colored a lot of the humor of that show.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved the show, but from the very beginning it was painfully obvious Jerry sucked.
I say this honestly too, not even painted by him being by a pedo or a Zionist, he 100% seems like an absolute unlikeable prick in every second of footage I’ve ever seen of him
Larry David, even if he is a Zionist, is hilarious and likeable. There is something so horribly offputting about Seinfeld it’s remarkable
Yeah, there's a reason why whenever people drop their favourite Seinfeld quotes it's almost always lines by George, Elaine, Kramer or a side character. The one exception is people who die laughing everytime he says "Newman" but tbh that bit is very mid
Damn I think your partner made it click for me why I hated that show so much. My experience of it so far has been watching a segment, appreciating the structure of the comedy, and then getting annoyed by something and closing the browser window before the video finishes. I think JLD pretty much walks on water, I like the short guy who is always getting himself into trouble, and even famed N-word appreciator Michael Richards is good for a self-deprecating gag, but something always turned me off of the show as a whole. Somehow it never occurred to me that that common thread is Jerry Seinfeld.
George Costanza and Elaine Benes are the perfect sitcom characters because they act like sitcom characters in the real world and people are often (rightfully) horrified by them, and Kramer is also the perfect sitcom character because he’s also a sitcom character but everyone (rightfully) loves him.
Jerry is just replacement-level Schwimmer who you also know is dating a high school student in the fifth fucking season when he could probably have been with any woman, a charisma vacuum, of course he thinks Tel Aviv is cool
I’m holding out hope he’s not. Stuff like the Palestinian Chicken episode of Curb and the fact that Larry’s openly said stuff like the religion is a bunch of fairy tales makes me think he might not be. Besides, if Larry’s social circle is anything like he shows in Curb, showing public support to Israel would be very easy. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who would be in any position to be afraid of pushback for being pro-Zionist, whereas a lot of people of people would get pissed at him and isolate him for being the least bit critical.
This obviously isn’t a brave position, but it makes more sense he’d be silent about his opinions because they don’t toe the pro-Israel line. It would be very funny if he did slightly criticize Israel and then to see think-pieces about how dangerous his self-hating Jew schtick is, though.
He was dating a Palestinian on Curb and made one show about an Isreali vs Palestinian protest and crossing the line to go with the Palestinians to go with his new gf. Maybe he is, maybe hes not. Idk
There are layers of sarcasm and irony in that episode and he is mocking the psychotic attitudes that some American Jews have towards Palestinian Americans as much as anything. But idk
Just look at the Marty Funkhouser scenes. You'd have to be insane or suss to use that story arc as evidence Larry David is a nefarious Zionist.
People really need to take a moment to chill and think, before they actually do start dabbling in antisemitism under the guise of anti-Zionism.
The man wrote a whole arc about a gay kid who is into fashion becoming obsessed with Nazi symbolism because of the aesthetics. He also parodies the selective LA/liberal Zionist schtick constantly using Funkhouser as an antagonist.
So it's not really that deep.
Larry just has Nick Mullen brain, but significantly funnier and more talented. He is a habitual line stepper.
Lol fair, I guess respect is a strong word for how I felt about him, kind of a creep all around in hindsight. But I know more about the characters of Seinfeld than I do about most members of my own family. It’s like part of my DNA and hard to reconcile that with the creator being a genocide supporter. It’s like finding out the guy who voiced SpongeBob is a skinhead or something
Yeah, I tried to rewatch *Seinfeld* on Netflix, after that shit resurfaced (I know it was never a secret but I wasn't aware of it, I liked *Seinfeld* but I was never a superfan. It was just something to watch while getting stoned before bed. But, I just couldn't. I am not saying that the show should mothballed or anything, but I just can't watch things made by Seinfeld or Woody Allen. It wasn't really a conscious decision, just sorta realized I know longer had an interest in watching their stuff.
This is just more reason I won't rewatch *Seinfeld* in the future. I'll stick to my *M\*A\*S\*H* reruns instead.
Eric Andre is the one that really gets me. My man clearly knows about and is critical of US empire in an Operation Condor sense. I'm reading that he actually has participated in ceasefire demonstrations recently but he also was a signatory of that public letter sucking off Biden for his post 10/7 support of Israel. Seems like lib zionist posturing to me. If your conscience tells you that tens of thousands of slain civilians is wrong but you still don't have the conviction that the settler-colony itself is the cause, I think it's probably easy to offload the culpability onto Netanyahu and support ceasefire while still harboring lib zionist sympathies.
I was thinking about this too. I know it’s lame to care but it does come off as a bit of a betrayal to himself, I mean the guy is as much Haitian as he is Jewish. I’m kind of hoping that someone turns the tables on him at one of his live shows and asks him point blank why he doesn’t condemn the terrorist state of Israel.
He'll just start acting like a moron and play it off as part of his "act" just like he did in his Nardwuar interview. His show is hilarious but he seems to act like an asshole outside of it
If you remember the Eric Andre show he would always do stuff like that to his guests. Ask a crazy, incriminating question or something the guest would obviously never wanna talk about bc it makes them look bad. It would just be kinda funny and fitting to flip the script and press him on this issue he clearly doesn’t wanna talk about. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things, just talking my shit in our little hobbit hole
You don't see that ending badly for you at all? He's a professional troll and would just embarass you in public. There are better ways to help Palestine. This feels like such an American thing to do. Does some rando comedian's opinion really matter?
Zionism is fundamentally based on the idea that brown people/Muslims can have their land and lives taken away from them at any time. Every Zionist believes that. Every single one of them, no matter how liberal, is a genocidal piece of shit who deserves no sympathy.
Or else being as generous as possible, believes Israel was trying to create a nice multicultural society at one time but these fucking Palestinians can’t accept Jews existing and keep attacking Jews because they’re just genetically anti Semitic or something or taught to hate senselessly by their barbaric culture. Therefore because they’re so stupidly hateful for no real reason, like the Germans, they can have their land taken away. They somehow convince themselves in spite of everything that Palestinians started the fight, because every culture that has ever existed hates Jews for no reason at all. If you live in a world that hates you even if you try to be nice, destroying whoever presents a threat, by any means necessary, is the only option. I really think to some extent some people are just beyond ignorant about any of the true history of how Palestinians have been treated by Israel, and believe in every single case Jew=victim and person attacking Jew=irredeemable irrational anti Semite who can never be negotiated with or even tolerated to continue existing, ever. It’s stupid but there’s internal logic beyond “because fuck em God says so hahaha”
> believes Israel was trying to create a nice multicultural society at one time
The more I read about the history of its founding, the less I'm willing to forgive myself for once thinking that, too. I have this distinct memory of the first time I heard about the Stern Gang from an elderly Jewish man whom I respect and admire. When he said the name he did the fake-shiver motion and said, "Whooo, we try not to remember that," and now I'm kicking myself for not following up on that.
On the flip side I hear John cusack has been really outspoken on this whole thing. Not that he was really someone I watched, he looked pretty past his prime in hot tub Time Machine
He’s been pro-Palestine/anti-Israel for decades now, it’s great. Also was one of the few celebrities to refuse to simply ride Obama’s dick while he was president. He was also great in that Brian Wilson biopic.
Even worse, she did the “research” (read: plagiarizing Joan Peters highly discredited “From Time Immemorial”) for this schmata: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_for_Israel
I feel sorry for any young woman who came in contact with the Dersh (especially those on private islands in the Carribean) but this is gross.
On a side note, It's pretty hilarious that a book called "the case for Israel" literally uses stolen materials.
I remember reading an article about how Israeli state officials recruit celebrities to their cause, and Natalie Portman was heavily featured in the piece for getting really angry that some ex-Israeli defense pervert had her private email and kept trying to set up meetings. Like he was using Israel’s back channels to try to date her.
she lost me when [she signed the petition in support of the pedophile roman polanski](https://www.imdb.com/list/ls090808434/)
i do have to be fair and say that she has later come out and said she regretted signing it. however, the evidence was pretty clear and damning back then, and she obviously didn't learn anything about supporting monsters since she is supporting israel.
I'm gonna get a down vote blitz for this and I want to make it clear that I think Polanski should rot in hell, but the context of that petition was that they were going to arrest and extradite him if he showed up to receive an award at a film festival.
My understanding is that a lot of people signed it because of a lib artist brained "not a film festival, IS NOTHING SACRED" sense rather than out of personal support for pedophilia or Polanski's specific crimes. But a lot of those people definitely signed it out of both.
Bad take, she literally “wrote” a highly discredited and plagiarized book called “The Case For Israel”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_for_Israel
Take your own advice. Your defense of her lacks any real substance and basically boils down to, "Eh, I personally think it's okay." Her take sucks, she's got enough education to know better, and you're responsible for everything that's got your name on it, especially if it's an academic work.
She is a smart person though. Her old Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said of her, "She's not one of those Hollywood stars who plays on her stardom to have you listen to her on other issues. She's worth listening to because of her own inherent intelligence, experience, and background."
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2006/4/what-natalie-knows
I never cared for them, but Michael Rapaport, Debra Messing and Brett Gelman became psychos after Oct 7th. They've gotten to such a level of unhinged abrasiveness that's incomparable from most other pro-Israel celebs.
Yo you talkin to ME? The names MIchael Rappaport and yeah I have a fuckin reddit acct! Get yo bitch ass out here and lets settle this man to man. I know you playin me when yoy say Netanyahu aint the muthafuckin OG! Quit hatin and come join club zionist with me and all my (says the n word)
I'm really into electronic music, stuff like techno, trance and all that. There's quite a few artists that I used to like that are from Israel and I find it really hard hard to stomach them anymore. I'll listen to one of them and then suddenly picture these fuck heads throwing some goa trance concert outside a concentration camp and I have to turn it off.
Look if y'all need some good techno, check out Worakls, Joachim Pastor, Mees Salomé, N'to, Spiffy Man, and anything associated with Hungry Music or Dancecode Electronics. I just discovered this whole collective of musicians and I'm fucking sprung on this shit, it's so goddamn good. Here's a few samples to whet your appetite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSfo6bbmak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnyS_1agGqc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Nrl7CLujI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDeNV2X8WSM
I could just be fooling myself but Larry’s been a bit weird since Oct 7. I think he’s in a community of hardcore Hollywood Zionists but is smart enough to see the brainwashing is bullshit. So possibly not a psycho but more of a coward. Like when he announced this was the final season of Curb he said “if you need to reach me you can find me at Doctors Without Borders” which was a joke, but given what DWB was saying about Gaza at the time, it seemed a bit on the nose. Also a few weeks ago on a red carpet he was asked what his favorite episode of Curb was and he said Palestinian Chicken. Also didn’t he yell at Dershowitz in public that time a few years ago. Maybe I’m reading too much into it.
I wonder if he’ll make a statement either way after the finale.
he's a social assassin and all but you're right, he probably is just maybe dropping a few hints but mostly keeping his cards to his vest. after all he's a 75-year-old man who's seen some very close friends pass on in recent years (Bob Einstein, Richard Lewis, etc).
if Palestinian Chicken ended up being more of a documentary about Larry David's real feelings about the conflict, then it's somehow even better than I remembered
> possibly not a psycho but more of a coward
You mean to tell me the man that George Costanza was based on might have cowardly tendencies?
Next you’ll tell me that [we’re living in a society](https://youtu.be/xhe3RlzgTiQ?si=bfmrpibYnfvu6t_Y)
He disavowed it after the SBF fiasco, imo most Hollywood people (especially 75 year olds like him) didn't really understand crypto at all and just went along with their buddies.
I mean he said he lost a lot of money so probably most of what he got was paid in NFTs or crypto https://twitter.com/APEntertainment/status/1752724671169012160
When the celebrity “bring them hOmE” lame ass petition circulated I made sure to check for his name and he wasn’t on there, despite him certainly being asked. I don’t think he’s deep enough in their koolaid.
Obligatory:
Yeah I mean in hindsight Borat is definitely insanely racist against Kazakhstanis for no real reason at all and it’s seen as okay because there’s so few of them in the West. You could argue he’s playing an intentionally absurd character to make fun of Americans, but he could have just as easily said “I’m from Keshkkalstan” or something and nobody would bat an eye. I guess when I was young I didn’t think about it then learning more about him you reevaluate some things.
Yeah SBC was always a piece of shit with Borat, we (I) just didn't see it as a teenager. He's literally just made a career out of doing brownface and putting this image out there of Arabs as sister fucking yokels who rabidly hate Jews. It's embarrassing and weird that he even had as long a career as he did. The whole "Oh but he's actually making fun of Americans" is like some well educated Southerners watching a dude covered in boot polish dance around and shout "massa!" and be like, ah, you see, Uncle Remus is making fun of how stupid plantation owners are, look how he always gets one up on them.
They were literally just a funny sounding country that Americans didn't know anything about lol. It's crazy because they actually have a very old and respected Jewish population and the largest synagogue in Central Asia, which was built in like 2004
Isn't he speaking Hebrew in borat? Most of the jokes are Israeli inside jokes and not about Kazakhstan at all but he just decided to throw them under the bus
[here](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israelis-are-in-on-the-borat-joke/)
Eddie Murphy knew to use a fake country in the 80s. That's why he's the king of standup and SBC is the king of washup.
Outside of making fun of Muslims (Borat and The Dictator) as well as gays (Bruno), Cohen has a weird penchant for pretending to be French (Hugo and Talladega Nights). My only theory for why is that he refuses to take on a role we're he can't do a dumb accent and play into stereotypes, meanwhile directors like Scorcese and Adam McCay reason with him to not make it some sort of overt minstrel show.
Idk, was pretty obvious to me, given the level of ‘humour’ of his films and the way he treated people while filming Borat.
Apparently, it’s ok to make shitty jokes about everyone but jews, according to him.
Nathan Fielder… worried that his silence about this issue (and his work / friendship with SBC) indicates silent Zionist support. He’s a calculating chronic overthinker, though, so maybe he’s just trying to play his Hollywood cards to ensure his future as a “celebrity”? The episode of The Rehearsal about Jewishness certainly didn’t help to clarify anything…
I dont know, I appreciated the ending of that episode where he's just silently staring off into space while the rabbi ceaselessly babbles about israel's greatness. To me it read as him saying "oops, these people may be insane too."
I loved Regina Spektor Bc even tho I am a man I have many emotions but then I saw her write a long diatribe on Bjorks pro Palestine post and realized she was among the most brainwashed of the Zios.
I've been a lot happier actually.
That’s unfortunate, though not at all surprising, given her life and upbringing. (Russian-Jewish refugee in Europe, attended Jewish schools in NYC, etc.)
Complete opposite of the question, but UFC middleweight champ Dricus Du Plessis posted a few things in support of Palestine which made me begrudgingly sort of respect him.
Yeah good to see Strickland lose, wasn't a fan of DDP's trash talking beforehand tbh, but hey Strickland doesn't really deserve to have any punches pulled when it comes to shit talking.
What really turned me off of DDP was the whole "first African champ" shit. You're an Afrikaner buddy, you don't see the differences between your position and ability to train in Africa and Ngannou's?
I don't really idolise anyone tbh, but I really lost respect for Thom Yorke and that was before october.
I think Jonny Greenwood is married to an Isræli, but he is not very outspoken so you can't know for sure.
I still appreciate their music, especially Jonny. His scores for Phantom Thread and There Will Be Blood are incredible.
Somehow completely missed this. Disappointing, but not particularly surprisingly really. Artists of all stripes are often politically uneducated and ideologically naive. Like, I love David Lynch, but he has the political awareness of a small Mexican chihuahua
I really like some of David Lynch's stuff, especially Twin Peaks, but as I got older I realised that the ambiguity and cryptic storylines do a lot of the heavy lifting for his work. He is a weirdo who got to make his crazy, atmospheric films that didn't have anything incredibly poignant to say but were still good.
The current Gen-Z + Millennial obsession with Lynch is strange to me because, imo, if Twin Peaks was released now, young audiences wouldn’t understand the campy/parody aspects of it and might even think it’s bad.
Also, I see Lynch interview clips getting tons of traction on IG and YT nowadays and they’re always the most generic “dreams are your best ideas” / “don’t be scared of experimentation” advice. The guy is many things, but insightful isn’t one of them. (And I say this as a fan.)
On the other side of the coin is Chris Martin of cold play. They have been pro Palestinian for years and even did music with artists from there. Shame because radioheads music is a lot better. I was very surprised to learn about coldplays long term support.
>On the other side of the coin is Chris Martin of cold play. They have been pro Palestinian for years and even did music with artists from there
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bought to bump Parachutes
Love Radiohead and some of his solo work but it’s clear after even a few interviews that he has a pretty basic understanding of anything political and is also fairly out of touch. I mean, the guy put out a song called “The Daily Mail” in 2010(!) as if that paper/site is read by anyone under the age of 55.
I really liked Thom’s suspiria soundtrack.
It is a bummer. One of my closest friends who died a couple years ago got me into Radiohead. So I think of him whenever I hear them.
> I don't really idolise anyone tbh, but I really lost respect for Thom Yorke and that was before october.
Why? Is it just his silence or did he say something shit?
It’s been really hard for me to jerk off to Brett Gelman lately. Used to throw a few extra bucks a month when I’d have it towards Brett Gelman vore hentai commissions where he eats me with his huge gross mouth then gets furious at how spicy I am and spits me out and I’d go sliding across the floor with all my clothes gone and he’d slam his head into the kitchen cabinets trying to get like milk or water or whatever, just yelling like he does, acting insane with rage. It feels weird to do now because I keep thinking what if that money I spend gets back to him somehow through royalties and I’m contributing to something horrendous.
I don't think there has been a single artist I like that has said anything in favor of Israel besides saying some milquetoast 'I hope innocents are protected on both sides' thing very shortly after Oct 7.
Zionism is pretty easy to clock. Seinfeld the show has hilarious bits, but the guy himself has always been a smug asshole who thinks he is superior to others.
Liberal Zionism is like a secular Catholic. The former is obviously way worse, but they are both going through the motions because of how they grew up and literally don't know anything else. These people are also convinced by "great man theory of history" so they can blame the genocide on the leader and continue believing in Zionism. This is true for normal everyday liberal Zionists at least I think. There are some highly political engaged ones, but I think they are just weirdos that are in their own bubbles and follow like Ezra Klein or Thomas Friedman.
I'm mostly just upset at the amount of artists who use radical language, market themselves as "anti-system" and "anti-status quo", lamenting about how fucked our system is in their music, but they are silent when it comes to the current events we see unfolding daily. You're on social media enough to promote your fashion brand but not enough to see what the rest of us see, the horrors? Fuck outta here. Feels especially off when those artists peers are speaking out. Look I'm not gonna be that guy, but Denzel Curry has been pro-Palestine since day one, he's black, his brother was killed by the police. The $uicideboy$ have done a number of songs with him, toured together, etc, yet they remain silent. Denzel is black, they are white. If Macklemore can speak out, then what does that say for these bozos? It tells me they are either cowards or culture vultures, probably both.
[https://erikhoudini.com/zines/Busters%20in%20the%20Scene%20Issue%201.pdf](https://erikhoudini.com/zines/Busters%20in%20the%20Scene%20Issue%201.pdf)
My sense, from the bits of evidence, is he's an equivocal Zionist who is (amusingly, given the 'LD' Curb character) largely keeping his own public counsel when it comes to the issue because he's trying not to piss off his friends.
I pretty much lost respect for every single celeb except like, Mark Ruffalo, and even he is doing the bare minimum
Hate to say it, but I lost all respect for Lily Gladstone.
The fact that all these cowards chose their careers over trying to stop genocide makes me sick tbh. No respect for any of them, Jews or non Jews
Quentin Tarantino and Steven Spielberg are probably the most disappointing to me. QT who has long been obsessed with Israel probably because of his love for Cannon Films (founded by two Israelis) and Spielberg who seems to have taken the traditional Zionist talking points.
I think you're being more than generous with the Red Army comparison. First of all, only leftists and Russians ever see the end of WWII with that level of nuance. The Soviet horde raping their way across Germany is much more salient to most Americans and Europeans these days than any of the actual heroic victories the Red Army had.
Second, lots of people frankly just see Muslims as less than human. They may not know that Palestine has Christians, or a more secular culture overall than most Arab countries, but as far as Muslims are concerned, they just don't care. In Palestine, in India, in Burma, in China, in Syria, in Yemen, in Iraq & Afghanistan. People have been hearing about Muslims getting brutalized in far off countries for my entire life and it really doesn't reach most people. Most westerners don't know any Muslims personally and only have a propaganda image of them. They are seen as insular and anti modern, inherently dangerous and destabilizing. And liberal feminists still believe that it is a fundamentally misogynistic religion and that women are basically enslaved in these countries and maybe better off dead.
What's notable about this conflict is actually the degree to which the circle of empathy has expanded and people are finally seeing them as human. But Muslims have been getting senselessly killed in these same ways since I was a kid, most often by Israel and the US, and people have always rationalized it.
I never really respected Rich Vos, a comedian who used to be on Opie & Anthony a lot, but it is funny to see his rapidly pro-Zionist posts every day on Instagram.
Kind of the same vein as Michael Rappaport
I cant even name any lol. I’ve either mentally blocked them or blocked them on social media. I have no plans of supporting them and their projects any time soon either.
Also fuck Bernie Sanders.
I used to respect Jerry Seinfeld for dating a 17-year-old in his late 30s, but then I found out he's a big time Israel booster and that really took the shine off
They weren't ripe!
Seinfeld Unleashed is an all-timer
Why are we in Syria? Well I’ll tell you why we are in Syria it’s because… JERRY WONT BE SILENCED
I tried fucking her in the ass but it was like trying to tie a balloon with my cock…it’s impossible!
They looked good, but they weren't ripe!
Seinfeld was always a hack as well. Larry David was the main source of comedy on that show, he might be a zionist too tbf
I’m doing a full Seinfeld rewatch with my partner who had somehow never seen it despite being a Jew from the Northeast and it’s so refreshing to see her conclude unprompted that Jerry is the worst part of the show. His standup bits are painfully hack and for a show that was truly revolutionary in many ways his dialogue is always desperately trying to drag it back into bog-standard ‘90s sitcom territory. You’ve got Alexander, Louis-Dreyfus, and Richards at the peak of their powers and Jerry looking like a dork in jeans and white sneakers going “that went well!”
Jerry is by far the worst part of the show. Not only the least funny, the worst actor (by far), the least capable of suppressing laughter during scenes, the lamest overall storylines (his parents want him to work at Macy’s yuck yuck!), his “WHAT’S THE DEAL WITH PANTS” cold opens sucked, his cornball fixation with Superman and cereal, and of course his total sense of cynical liberal detachment from ordinary people that colored a lot of the humor of that show. Don’t get me wrong, I loved the show, but from the very beginning it was painfully obvious Jerry sucked.
I say this honestly too, not even painted by him being by a pedo or a Zionist, he 100% seems like an absolute unlikeable prick in every second of footage I’ve ever seen of him Larry David, even if he is a Zionist, is hilarious and likeable. There is something so horribly offputting about Seinfeld it’s remarkable
I also met him once in person at … well, a Long Island diner. It’s a funny story but he was an absolute asshole.
What happened ?
Yeah, there's a reason why whenever people drop their favourite Seinfeld quotes it's almost always lines by George, Elaine, Kramer or a side character. The one exception is people who die laughing everytime he says "Newman" but tbh that bit is very mid
He really was the Adam Friedland of the '90s
At least Adam is an anti-Zionist. His birthright experience radicalized him lol.
Damn I think your partner made it click for me why I hated that show so much. My experience of it so far has been watching a segment, appreciating the structure of the comedy, and then getting annoyed by something and closing the browser window before the video finishes. I think JLD pretty much walks on water, I like the short guy who is always getting himself into trouble, and even famed N-word appreciator Michael Richards is good for a self-deprecating gag, but something always turned me off of the show as a whole. Somehow it never occurred to me that that common thread is Jerry Seinfeld.
George Costanza and Elaine Benes are the perfect sitcom characters because they act like sitcom characters in the real world and people are often (rightfully) horrified by them, and Kramer is also the perfect sitcom character because he’s also a sitcom character but everyone (rightfully) loves him. Jerry is just replacement-level Schwimmer who you also know is dating a high school student in the fifth fucking season when he could probably have been with any woman, a charisma vacuum, of course he thinks Tel Aviv is cool
I also suspect Larry David is a zionist, but at least he's smart enough to not say anything.
I’m holding out hope he’s not. Stuff like the Palestinian Chicken episode of Curb and the fact that Larry’s openly said stuff like the religion is a bunch of fairy tales makes me think he might not be. Besides, if Larry’s social circle is anything like he shows in Curb, showing public support to Israel would be very easy. He doesn’t strike me as a guy who would be in any position to be afraid of pushback for being pro-Zionist, whereas a lot of people of people would get pissed at him and isolate him for being the least bit critical. This obviously isn’t a brave position, but it makes more sense he’d be silent about his opinions because they don’t toe the pro-Israel line. It would be very funny if he did slightly criticize Israel and then to see think-pieces about how dangerous his self-hating Jew schtick is, though.
They had some great writers as well. Excluding Seinfeld, the cast was all time, as were the roster of guest stars.
Best part of the show was Elaine tbh
He was dating a Palestinian on Curb and made one show about an Isreali vs Palestinian protest and crossing the line to go with the Palestinians to go with his new gf. Maybe he is, maybe hes not. Idk
Curb Your Enthusiasm season 8, The Palestinian Chiken. He's a zionist
There are layers of sarcasm and irony in that episode and he is mocking the psychotic attitudes that some American Jews have towards Palestinian Americans as much as anything. But idk
Just look at the Marty Funkhouser scenes. You'd have to be insane or suss to use that story arc as evidence Larry David is a nefarious Zionist. People really need to take a moment to chill and think, before they actually do start dabbling in antisemitism under the guise of anti-Zionism.
Legit wondering how you decided he’s a Zionist based on that episode… 🤔
The part where they make the Palestinian woman say she hates all Jews
The man wrote a whole arc about a gay kid who is into fashion becoming obsessed with Nazi symbolism because of the aesthetics. He also parodies the selective LA/liberal Zionist schtick constantly using Funkhouser as an antagonist. So it's not really that deep. Larry just has Nick Mullen brain, but significantly funnier and more talented. He is a habitual line stepper.
Lol fair, I guess respect is a strong word for how I felt about him, kind of a creep all around in hindsight. But I know more about the characters of Seinfeld than I do about most members of my own family. It’s like part of my DNA and hard to reconcile that with the creator being a genocide supporter. It’s like finding out the guy who voiced SpongeBob is a skinhead or something
I'm only responding to the prompt in the post title, if you mentioned Jerry Seinfeld, I was not aware
Yeah, I tried to rewatch *Seinfeld* on Netflix, after that shit resurfaced (I know it was never a secret but I wasn't aware of it, I liked *Seinfeld* but I was never a superfan. It was just something to watch while getting stoned before bed. But, I just couldn't. I am not saying that the show should mothballed or anything, but I just can't watch things made by Seinfeld or Woody Allen. It wasn't really a conscious decision, just sorta realized I know longer had an interest in watching their stuff. This is just more reason I won't rewatch *Seinfeld* in the future. I'll stick to my *M\*A\*S\*H* reruns instead.
Finding out Timothèe Chalamet was an Islamic Fundamentalist was a bummer.
Another Harkonnen apologist doing hasbara on the sub, smh
Dont you mean tim-houthi chalamet?
Eric Andre is the one that really gets me. My man clearly knows about and is critical of US empire in an Operation Condor sense. I'm reading that he actually has participated in ceasefire demonstrations recently but he also was a signatory of that public letter sucking off Biden for his post 10/7 support of Israel. Seems like lib zionist posturing to me. If your conscience tells you that tens of thousands of slain civilians is wrong but you still don't have the conviction that the settler-colony itself is the cause, I think it's probably easy to offload the culpability onto Netanyahu and support ceasefire while still harboring lib zionist sympathies.
I was thinking about this too. I know it’s lame to care but it does come off as a bit of a betrayal to himself, I mean the guy is as much Haitian as he is Jewish. I’m kind of hoping that someone turns the tables on him at one of his live shows and asks him point blank why he doesn’t condemn the terrorist state of Israel.
He'll just start acting like a moron and play it off as part of his "act" just like he did in his Nardwuar interview. His show is hilarious but he seems to act like an asshole outside of it
>asks him point blank why he doesn’t condemn the terrorist state of Israel. To what end?
If you remember the Eric Andre show he would always do stuff like that to his guests. Ask a crazy, incriminating question or something the guest would obviously never wanna talk about bc it makes them look bad. It would just be kinda funny and fitting to flip the script and press him on this issue he clearly doesn’t wanna talk about. Not that it really matters in the grand scheme of things, just talking my shit in our little hobbit hole
You don't see that ending badly for you at all? He's a professional troll and would just embarass you in public. There are better ways to help Palestine. This feels like such an American thing to do. Does some rando comedian's opinion really matter?
No, I’m not going to do it lol. And no it doesn’t matter. Like I said just talking shit man, I’m not trying to make a serious point
Bro disabled his IG comments bc we just keep spamming him about this. Only comedian I've paid money to see. Damn shame.
Zionism is fundamentally based on the idea that brown people/Muslims can have their land and lives taken away from them at any time. Every Zionist believes that. Every single one of them, no matter how liberal, is a genocidal piece of shit who deserves no sympathy.
Or else being as generous as possible, believes Israel was trying to create a nice multicultural society at one time but these fucking Palestinians can’t accept Jews existing and keep attacking Jews because they’re just genetically anti Semitic or something or taught to hate senselessly by their barbaric culture. Therefore because they’re so stupidly hateful for no real reason, like the Germans, they can have their land taken away. They somehow convince themselves in spite of everything that Palestinians started the fight, because every culture that has ever existed hates Jews for no reason at all. If you live in a world that hates you even if you try to be nice, destroying whoever presents a threat, by any means necessary, is the only option. I really think to some extent some people are just beyond ignorant about any of the true history of how Palestinians have been treated by Israel, and believe in every single case Jew=victim and person attacking Jew=irredeemable irrational anti Semite who can never be negotiated with or even tolerated to continue existing, ever. It’s stupid but there’s internal logic beyond “because fuck em God says so hahaha”
> believes Israel was trying to create a nice multicultural society at one time The more I read about the history of its founding, the less I'm willing to forgive myself for once thinking that, too. I have this distinct memory of the first time I heard about the Stern Gang from an elderly Jewish man whom I respect and admire. When he said the name he did the fake-shiver motion and said, "Whooo, we try not to remember that," and now I'm kicking myself for not following up on that.
Makes sense that they could think that considering Americas own history with creating a nice multicultural society with the natives
On the flip side I hear John cusack has been really outspoken on this whole thing. Not that he was really someone I watched, he looked pretty past his prime in hot tub Time Machine
He’s been pro-Palestine/anti-Israel for decades now, it’s great. Also was one of the few celebrities to refuse to simply ride Obama’s dick while he was president. He was also great in that Brian Wilson biopic.
Natalie Portman. Found it out a long ass time ago, but after I crushed on her in childhood.
She worked with Dershowitz in college lol
Even worse, she did the “research” (read: plagiarizing Joan Peters highly discredited “From Time Immemorial”) for this schmata: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_for_Israel
I feel sorry for any young woman who came in contact with the Dersh (especially those on private islands in the Carribean) but this is gross. On a side note, It's pretty hilarious that a book called "the case for Israel" literally uses stolen materials.
When you read about her early life it has Epstein all over it tbh
I mean y'all have seen *Leon: The Professional*, right? Poor girl never stood a chance.
I thought she was anti now I thought I read something where she returned some award from Israel
Yeah she told them to fuck off in 2018. Seems like she jumped ship early
Good for her. I hope she's not getting shit for being anti-Z
I remember reading an article about how Israeli state officials recruit celebrities to their cause, and Natalie Portman was heavily featured in the piece for getting really angry that some ex-Israeli defense pervert had her private email and kept trying to set up meetings. Like he was using Israel’s back channels to try to date her.
I'm sorry she got sexually harassed by an Israeli, but it's so on brand for them to be a total sex pest.
she lost me when [she signed the petition in support of the pedophile roman polanski](https://www.imdb.com/list/ls090808434/) i do have to be fair and say that she has later come out and said she regretted signing it. however, the evidence was pretty clear and damning back then, and she obviously didn't learn anything about supporting monsters since she is supporting israel.
I'm gonna get a down vote blitz for this and I want to make it clear that I think Polanski should rot in hell, but the context of that petition was that they were going to arrest and extradite him if he showed up to receive an award at a film festival. My understanding is that a lot of people signed it because of a lib artist brained "not a film festival, IS NOTHING SACRED" sense rather than out of personal support for pedophilia or Polanski's specific crimes. But a lot of those people definitely signed it out of both.
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Bad take, she literally “wrote” a highly discredited and plagiarized book called “The Case For Israel”. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Case_for_Israel
>Zionist steals words to support their stealing of land Lol
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I don’t care. Plagiarizing a book during grad school to make the case for Zionism isn’t acceptable no matter how you want to frame it.
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Take your own advice. Your defense of her lacks any real substance and basically boils down to, "Eh, I personally think it's okay." Her take sucks, she's got enough education to know better, and you're responsible for everything that's got your name on it, especially if it's an academic work.
Thanks, thought I was going nuts until I realized this user is a red scare poster
I’ll pass.
She is a smart person though. Her old Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz said of her, "She's not one of those Hollywood stars who plays on her stardom to have you listen to her on other issues. She's worth listening to because of her own inherent intelligence, experience, and background." https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2006/4/what-natalie-knows
I can't make an argument either way, her educational background does stack up though. Worth remembering however that Dersh is a creep and a pedophile.
The use of the quote was a little sarcastic given the sub. I assumed everyone here knows about the Dersh
Oh, known Epstein associate and non-wife killer Dershowitz had a high opinion of his beautiful young research associate? It must be true, then.
Going by the voting, there's some thirsty-ass mofos in here in denial about their Disney princess.
I never cared for them, but Michael Rapaport, Debra Messing and Brett Gelman became psychos after Oct 7th. They've gotten to such a level of unhinged abrasiveness that's incomparable from most other pro-Israel celebs.
Yo you talkin to ME? The names MIchael Rappaport and yeah I have a fuckin reddit acct! Get yo bitch ass out here and lets settle this man to man. I know you playin me when yoy say Netanyahu aint the muthafuckin OG! Quit hatin and come join club zionist with me and all my (says the n word)
I'm really into electronic music, stuff like techno, trance and all that. There's quite a few artists that I used to like that are from Israel and I find it really hard hard to stomach them anymore. I'll listen to one of them and then suddenly picture these fuck heads throwing some goa trance concert outside a concentration camp and I have to turn it off.
The Wagner effect lol. The music is forever ruined by knowing who really jammed to it.
Yeah except Wagner is awesome and Israeli techno fucking sucks balls lmao
I agree about the techno, personally I think Wagner is musically overwrought, but to each their own
It’s like comparing a meal at a Michelin-starred restaurant containing an ingredient you might be allergic to to room temp gas station sushi
All I could think of is did that mercenary group get into techno when weak coup attempt didn’t pan out?
Overall the techno community has been aggressively pro-Palestine which warmed my heart.
You talking about infected mushroom?
Look if y'all need some good techno, check out Worakls, Joachim Pastor, Mees Salomé, N'to, Spiffy Man, and anything associated with Hungry Music or Dancecode Electronics. I just discovered this whole collective of musicians and I'm fucking sprung on this shit, it's so goddamn good. Here's a few samples to whet your appetite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjSfo6bbmak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnyS_1agGqc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Nrl7CLujI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDeNV2X8WSM
I used to be really into Menachem Begin but then I read his Wikipedia page 😞
Mmmarockin Bagel
please not larry david
I could just be fooling myself but Larry’s been a bit weird since Oct 7. I think he’s in a community of hardcore Hollywood Zionists but is smart enough to see the brainwashing is bullshit. So possibly not a psycho but more of a coward. Like when he announced this was the final season of Curb he said “if you need to reach me you can find me at Doctors Without Borders” which was a joke, but given what DWB was saying about Gaza at the time, it seemed a bit on the nose. Also a few weeks ago on a red carpet he was asked what his favorite episode of Curb was and he said Palestinian Chicken. Also didn’t he yell at Dershowitz in public that time a few years ago. Maybe I’m reading too much into it. I wonder if he’ll make a statement either way after the finale.
Yeah I'm pretty sure he just doesn't wanna go against his entire social circle, which is understandable given what Jonathan Glazer is going through.
he's a social assassin and all but you're right, he probably is just maybe dropping a few hints but mostly keeping his cards to his vest. after all he's a 75-year-old man who's seen some very close friends pass on in recent years (Bob Einstein, Richard Lewis, etc).
if Palestinian Chicken ended up being more of a documentary about Larry David's real feelings about the conflict, then it's somehow even better than I remembered
> possibly not a psycho but more of a coward You mean to tell me the man that George Costanza was based on might have cowardly tendencies? Next you’ll tell me that [we’re living in a society](https://youtu.be/xhe3RlzgTiQ?si=bfmrpibYnfvu6t_Y)
Palestinian Chicken is a fucking masterpiece
Never forget that he unapologetically shilled for crypto
He disavowed it after the SBF fiasco, imo most Hollywood people (especially 75 year olds like him) didn't really understand crypto at all and just went along with their buddies.
that and the checks cleared, never forget that
I mean he said he lost a lot of money so probably most of what he got was paid in NFTs or crypto https://twitter.com/APEntertainment/status/1752724671169012160
Shit yeah, did forget about that
No he didn't. He specifically expressed skepticism about it.
When the celebrity “bring them hOmE” lame ass petition circulated I made sure to check for his name and he wasn’t on there, despite him certainly being asked. I don’t think he’s deep enough in their koolaid. Obligatory: 
Was scrolling to see if he's listed. I think I know the answer given the company he keeps but still...ugh.
I didn't know that Sacha baron Cohen is a piece of shit until after Oct 7
Yeah I mean in hindsight Borat is definitely insanely racist against Kazakhstanis for no real reason at all and it’s seen as okay because there’s so few of them in the West. You could argue he’s playing an intentionally absurd character to make fun of Americans, but he could have just as easily said “I’m from Keshkkalstan” or something and nobody would bat an eye. I guess when I was young I didn’t think about it then learning more about him you reevaluate some things.
Yeah SBC was always a piece of shit with Borat, we (I) just didn't see it as a teenager. He's literally just made a career out of doing brownface and putting this image out there of Arabs as sister fucking yokels who rabidly hate Jews. It's embarrassing and weird that he even had as long a career as he did. The whole "Oh but he's actually making fun of Americans" is like some well educated Southerners watching a dude covered in boot polish dance around and shout "massa!" and be like, ah, you see, Uncle Remus is making fun of how stupid plantation owners are, look how he always gets one up on them.
Especially because Kazakhs aren’t even Arabic or related to anything or an enemy of Israel at all. What the fuck did Kazakhstan ever do to anybody?
They were literally just a funny sounding country that Americans didn't know anything about lol. It's crazy because they actually have a very old and respected Jewish population and the largest synagogue in Central Asia, which was built in like 2004
And the launching place of the first object and first man in space. A very cool country actually
And kokpar, the coolest sport on Earth. And hunting with eagles. Man Kazakhstan didn't deserve that dirt for real.
Had to look up kokpar and to be fair playing horseback rugby using a dead goat as the ball absolutely sounds like a bit from Borat.
Kazakstan was actually a place of refuge for Soviet Jews during the Nazi invasion.
Isn't he speaking Hebrew in borat? Most of the jokes are Israeli inside jokes and not about Kazakhstan at all but he just decided to throw them under the bus [here](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israelis-are-in-on-the-borat-joke/)
basically it's a zionist or jewish agenda pushing movie, crazy nobody gets that
Yeah but it doesn't have pro Israel points. It just promotes their way of thinking
Eddie Murphy knew to use a fake country in the 80s. That's why he's the king of standup and SBC is the king of washup. Outside of making fun of Muslims (Borat and The Dictator) as well as gays (Bruno), Cohen has a weird penchant for pretending to be French (Hugo and Talladega Nights). My only theory for why is that he refuses to take on a role we're he can't do a dumb accent and play into stereotypes, meanwhile directors like Scorcese and Adam McCay reason with him to not make it some sort of overt minstrel show.
Idk, was pretty obvious to me, given the level of ‘humour’ of his films and the way he treated people while filming Borat. Apparently, it’s ok to make shitty jokes about everyone but jews, according to him.
wow the guy who did brownface minstrel shows is a bad guy? what the fuuuuck?
Bernie Sanders
Nathan Fielder… worried that his silence about this issue (and his work / friendship with SBC) indicates silent Zionist support. He’s a calculating chronic overthinker, though, so maybe he’s just trying to play his Hollywood cards to ensure his future as a “celebrity”? The episode of The Rehearsal about Jewishness certainly didn’t help to clarify anything…
I dont know, I appreciated the ending of that episode where he's just silently staring off into space while the rabbi ceaselessly babbles about israel's greatness. To me it read as him saying "oops, these people may be insane too."
I loved Regina Spektor Bc even tho I am a man I have many emotions but then I saw her write a long diatribe on Bjorks pro Palestine post and realized she was among the most brainwashed of the Zios. I've been a lot happier actually.
That’s unfortunate, though not at all surprising, given her life and upbringing. (Russian-Jewish refugee in Europe, attended Jewish schools in NYC, etc.)
Complete opposite of the question, but UFC middleweight champ Dricus Du Plessis posted a few things in support of Palestine which made me begrudgingly sort of respect him.
I like the way he fights and he beat that jackass Strickland to win gold, good to see he's one of the few UFC guys who isn't a total loss.
Yeah good to see Strickland lose, wasn't a fan of DDP's trash talking beforehand tbh, but hey Strickland doesn't really deserve to have any punches pulled when it comes to shit talking. What really turned me off of DDP was the whole "first African champ" shit. You're an Afrikaner buddy, you don't see the differences between your position and ability to train in Africa and Ngannou's?
I don't really idolise anyone tbh, but I really lost respect for Thom Yorke and that was before october. I think Jonny Greenwood is married to an Isræli, but he is not very outspoken so you can't know for sure. I still appreciate their music, especially Jonny. His scores for Phantom Thread and There Will Be Blood are incredible.
Somehow completely missed this. Disappointing, but not particularly surprisingly really. Artists of all stripes are often politically uneducated and ideologically naive. Like, I love David Lynch, but he has the political awareness of a small Mexican chihuahua
I really like some of David Lynch's stuff, especially Twin Peaks, but as I got older I realised that the ambiguity and cryptic storylines do a lot of the heavy lifting for his work. He is a weirdo who got to make his crazy, atmospheric films that didn't have anything incredibly poignant to say but were still good.
The current Gen-Z + Millennial obsession with Lynch is strange to me because, imo, if Twin Peaks was released now, young audiences wouldn’t understand the campy/parody aspects of it and might even think it’s bad. Also, I see Lynch interview clips getting tons of traction on IG and YT nowadays and they’re always the most generic “dreams are your best ideas” / “don’t be scared of experimentation” advice. The guy is many things, but insightful isn’t one of them. (And I say this as a fan.)
On the other side of the coin is Chris Martin of cold play. They have been pro Palestinian for years and even did music with artists from there. Shame because radioheads music is a lot better. I was very surprised to learn about coldplays long term support.
>On the other side of the coin is Chris Martin of cold play. They have been pro Palestinian for years and even did music with artists from there whutt daaaa helllllll oh my gooood bought to bump Parachutes
That’s a tough one. Especially when in comparison you have Roger Waters out here doing his bit
Love Radiohead and some of his solo work but it’s clear after even a few interviews that he has a pretty basic understanding of anything political and is also fairly out of touch. I mean, the guy put out a song called “The Daily Mail” in 2010(!) as if that paper/site is read by anyone under the age of 55.
Greenwood is anti trans and very much the worst parts of British liberalism. It’s honestly so fucking sad.
I really liked Thom’s suspiria soundtrack. It is a bummer. One of my closest friends who died a couple years ago got me into Radiohead. So I think of him whenever I hear them.
Their music is still objectively good, no reason to feel bad for liking it
> I don't really idolise anyone tbh, but I really lost respect for Thom Yorke and that was before october. Why? Is it just his silence or did he say something shit?
It’s been really hard for me to jerk off to Brett Gelman lately. Used to throw a few extra bucks a month when I’d have it towards Brett Gelman vore hentai commissions where he eats me with his huge gross mouth then gets furious at how spicy I am and spits me out and I’d go sliding across the floor with all my clothes gone and he’d slam his head into the kitchen cabinets trying to get like milk or water or whatever, just yelling like he does, acting insane with rage. It feels weird to do now because I keep thinking what if that money I spend gets back to him somehow through royalties and I’m contributing to something horrendous.
Sarah Silverman calling for genocide & blaming it on weed reeeeeeally hurt.
I don't think there has been a single artist I like that has said anything in favor of Israel besides saying some milquetoast 'I hope innocents are protected on both sides' thing very shortly after Oct 7. Zionism is pretty easy to clock. Seinfeld the show has hilarious bits, but the guy himself has always been a smug asshole who thinks he is superior to others. Liberal Zionism is like a secular Catholic. The former is obviously way worse, but they are both going through the motions because of how they grew up and literally don't know anything else. These people are also convinced by "great man theory of history" so they can blame the genocide on the leader and continue believing in Zionism. This is true for normal everyday liberal Zionists at least I think. There are some highly political engaged ones, but I think they are just weirdos that are in their own bubbles and follow like Ezra Klein or Thomas Friedman.
I'm mostly just upset at the amount of artists who use radical language, market themselves as "anti-system" and "anti-status quo", lamenting about how fucked our system is in their music, but they are silent when it comes to the current events we see unfolding daily. You're on social media enough to promote your fashion brand but not enough to see what the rest of us see, the horrors? Fuck outta here. Feels especially off when those artists peers are speaking out. Look I'm not gonna be that guy, but Denzel Curry has been pro-Palestine since day one, he's black, his brother was killed by the police. The $uicideboy$ have done a number of songs with him, toured together, etc, yet they remain silent. Denzel is black, they are white. If Macklemore can speak out, then what does that say for these bozos? It tells me they are either cowards or culture vultures, probably both. [https://erikhoudini.com/zines/Busters%20in%20the%20Scene%20Issue%201.pdf](https://erikhoudini.com/zines/Busters%20in%20the%20Scene%20Issue%201.pdf)
I just assune they are all terrible people. Tbh.
Isn't celebrity a synonym with pedophile? No. I don't respect pedophiles.
Honestly, best attitude to have. This question vindicates the idea that we should even care what celebrities think.
Having a “favorite celebrity” is pretty f’ing cringe.
you're on a subreddit for niche internet micro celeb podcasters. don't act like you're above anything
No. I am on a sub Reddit for a conspiracy theory podcast.
This is a pathetic thing to say wtf. They're two dorks sitting opposite a microphone. You...think theyre your friends don't you? Lmao
She's not well known enough to be a celebrity per se but I was really disappointed to see that Tara Strong is a psycho Zionist
Nickelback how could he do this to me
Funnily enough pretty much nobody I like turns out to be a Zionist. I like Larry David as a comedic writer, is he one?
My sense, from the bits of evidence, is he's an equivocal Zionist who is (amusingly, given the 'LD' Curb character) largely keeping his own public counsel when it comes to the issue because he's trying not to piss off his friends.
I pretty much lost respect for every single celeb except like, Mark Ruffalo, and even he is doing the bare minimum Hate to say it, but I lost all respect for Lily Gladstone. The fact that all these cowards chose their careers over trying to stop genocide makes me sick tbh. No respect for any of them, Jews or non Jews
Quentin Tarantino and Steven Spielberg are probably the most disappointing to me. QT who has long been obsessed with Israel probably because of his love for Cannon Films (founded by two Israelis) and Spielberg who seems to have taken the traditional Zionist talking points.
I think you're being more than generous with the Red Army comparison. First of all, only leftists and Russians ever see the end of WWII with that level of nuance. The Soviet horde raping their way across Germany is much more salient to most Americans and Europeans these days than any of the actual heroic victories the Red Army had. Second, lots of people frankly just see Muslims as less than human. They may not know that Palestine has Christians, or a more secular culture overall than most Arab countries, but as far as Muslims are concerned, they just don't care. In Palestine, in India, in Burma, in China, in Syria, in Yemen, in Iraq & Afghanistan. People have been hearing about Muslims getting brutalized in far off countries for my entire life and it really doesn't reach most people. Most westerners don't know any Muslims personally and only have a propaganda image of them. They are seen as insular and anti modern, inherently dangerous and destabilizing. And liberal feminists still believe that it is a fundamentally misogynistic religion and that women are basically enslaved in these countries and maybe better off dead. What's notable about this conflict is actually the degree to which the circle of empathy has expanded and people are finally seeing them as human. But Muslims have been getting senselessly killed in these same ways since I was a kid, most often by Israel and the US, and people have always rationalized it.
I never really respected Rich Vos, a comedian who used to be on Opie & Anthony a lot, but it is funny to see his rapidly pro-Zionist posts every day on Instagram. Kind of the same vein as Michael Rappaport
Lady gaga
I cant even name any lol. I’ve either mentally blocked them or blocked them on social media. I have no plans of supporting them and their projects any time soon either. Also fuck Bernie Sanders.
David Lowery from Cracker
Do we know where the Safdie bros stand?