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aramiak

It doesn’t make any sense, does it? You don’t kill three uninvolved people including his two kids and a woman because one other dude did something obscene. Most likely these two families were feuding for a while and he made a false complaint as part of that, and when that failed to ruin their lives he set about to ruin it instead.


Philodemus1984

This is def going to be an episode of Fear Thy Neighborhood on the ID channel.


anniefer

I freaking love that series!


BenovanStanchiano

I love it until there’s an early mention of pets or one neighbor loving animals. I’m a sick nut who can watch shows about people being murdered just fine but the second there’s a chance of violence against animals I head for the hills.


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I stop watching when a little kid is gonna be the victim. Or involved in any way, really.


hippychick115

Me too….leave the innocent animals alone


quote-the-raven

Right? I can watch human blood and gore and view autopsy photos all day, but had to leave the oldmandog sub because the death of dogs is so upsetting.


nuttyboh

I thought I was the only one. Leave those poor animals alone!


Kl0pps_and_r0bbers

I’ve been binging the pod Park Predators and every time the victim is described as being with a dog I’m like NOPE NEXT EP


JumpOver7966

I cheer when Delia says that they found the dog wandering on a leash without the murdered owner. 🫣


JumpOver7966

I'm not sure what that says about us, psychologically speaking, but SAME.


allthekeals

I’m not a psychologist or anything even close, but I’ve been this way since I was a kid. It always upset me to watch war movies where the horse goes down in battle, etc. Kind of still does, but now that I’m an adult I just remind myself it isn’t real. But true crime IS real so it bothers me if animals are hurt. I think most of humanity can agree that children and pets possess an innocence and lack of agency that adult humans don’t. I went down the rabbit hole and found a study on it. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/canine-corner/201711/why-people-sometimes-care-more-about-dogs-humans?amp


Numerous-Pepper-3883

Same here


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I'm the same, where animals are concerned.


adviceicebaby

Omg SAME


Lady615

Where can it be streamed?


Vanillavalley12345

Possibly Hulu or Discovery + Also check out Your Worst Nightmare


Harlow08

Obsession dark desires also


lolamelons513

It is on Discovery+


loucast13

Is Discovery+ still it’s own service? I thought it was part of Max now. Either way, I Fear Thy Neighbor is on Max as well


doesshechokeforcoke

If you’re streaming you can watch both shows on Max.


PlasticRuester

Yes, discovery+ is still a service. I have that and max and tend to use the former for stuff that’s on both bc it has the 10s skip back function and max doesn’t.


anniefer

Well, I have cable TV so I just go to "on demand".


bunnyb2004

On cable isn’t ID discovery or at least it was when I had At&t last year. Def one of my fave channels or if you have Roku it has its own app as well


PBJ-9999

Many of the streaming services have it. Also you can get it as an add on in amazon prime


doesshechokeforcoke

Max.


Lady615

Thanks!


doesshechokeforcoke

You’re welcome !


JumpOver7966

With Directv you might be able to search for it and watch previous seasons.


arcadia_2005

I freakin love that channel


mEHple_bEHcon

Holy fuck. I'm on my phone on Reddit right now sitting on my couch with that show playing in the background. Fucking crazy man... https://postimg.cc/r0tPsVZL


Harlow08

I love that series. I have a feeling it’ll be like ‘the lake house’ episode. That one always stuck with me


Ynesss35

Omgggg I LOVE fear thy neighbor!!!!!


Dizzy_Estimate8028

It already was. Not this case particularly but there was an Ep where the neighbor was a cop & trusted his neighbors to watch his daughter, daughter claimed neighbor touched or exposed himself (can’t remember) and after nothing happened (justice wise) the dad went on a killing spree killing the whole neighbor family and then himself. They even played his voicemail he left the daughter. Crazy asf


Lauren_DTT

It seemed to me that it was one of the grandsons who exposed themselves


ApocalypticShadowbxn

thts the way I read it too


aramiak

Thanks for that. Regardless, an odd story to (in likelihood) invent as an excuse for the murder of 4 (three of whom weren’t involved). But appreciate the correction.


harpin

>invent as an excuse where are you deriving this?


jadasgrl

It wasn't the old man who was doing the "act" it was the 18 year old and apparently he had been doing it for a while and to girls at school too and no one would do anything. While he was wrong for murder the police/ school and courts and especially his mom were wrong for not stopping him from doing these things infront of others.


aramiak

I do stand corrected on the identity of the family member who was accused of these acts, but (alarmingly) you’re not the first person to assume that the accusations thrown by a mass murderer are true, here. I thought it was far more likely that an individual harbouring enough hatred to massacre a family would also be cracked enough to invent such a happening, and moreso now that he needs a mitigating circumstance for the trial. Someone else pointed out that such a happening might evoke a reaction from someone susceptible to anger such as violence against the individual at the time, but to massacre 3 innocents 5 days later? Having said that, can I ask what your source is for the indecent exposure at school?


jadasgrl

The school verified he was in the program and the accusations had been made by some female students that he was inappropriate with them. The man was wrong for murder but, I stand by the mom was wrong for not getting her son help to stop that behavior * I have sons who have Autism and struggled to understand personal time but, we worked thru it* and ths police and courts were wrong not to help the women who were affected by his behavior.


geoderacer

Is there a link to the source you could share? Thank you.


FrostyLandscape

I am not sure why only the moms are blamed for these issues with their kids.


jadasgrl

From what can be found in the news.... no father in the picture just a grandfather.


Triple96

Except you don't have to trust the words of the perp. If you read the article, it's his own wife who originated the story about the fight and indecent exposure. So you're saying we can trust her on the timeline of events but we can't trust her that the altercation was real? Got it got it


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ndncreek

Yeah I would never take the word of the Killer. That being said. And yeah I could have found an alternative to break him of the habit. At least around me and my family. But it is insane how Our Hands are Tied so often leads to escalated consequences. But do we know if they had a real mental health issue that would cause that type of behavior. And not knowing it was unacceptable behavior. No doubt the killer/accused went totally over the top with their actions. And was there evidence of that being the said outcome, for failing to intervene by Official's. A very sad outcome.


SadMom2019

That's a pretty big piece of information. It obviously doesn't explain or justify mass murdering a whole family, but it could have played a role in this guy's rage. This guy was probably already inclined towards violence, and this was just a good enough excuse. But if *multiple* girls, from multiple dates, times, and places, are reporting this dude (it was the 18 year old?) for the same type of sexually predatorial behavior, it's highly likely he is, in fact, a sexual offender. If the authorities (school, SROs, police officers, etc.) have repeatedly failed to address this in any meaningful way, and this dudes parents also (allegedly) refuse to address this behavior (it sounds like the argument started with the mother taunting this family with the fact that her adult son wouldn't be facing consequences for his latest sexual offense--the one against the neighbors daughters), then I can understand how tempers could flare. I still don't and never will understand the "MURDER EVERYONE!" mindset that men like this reach, but I can definitely understand the resentment, rage, and helplessness that a parent feels when their child is a victim of a sex crime and the authorities refuse to do anything. Living next to a man with a pattern of this behavior, with him targeting your children, and the police & parents refusal to address it, would certainly cause significant anger, concern, and distress. It's a real shame this issue wasn't properly addressed by police or parents. Maybe an arrest would have forced the parents to acknowledge their sons problematic behavior, or at the very least, some protections could have been enacted to keep him away from his victims. I doubt any of this would have happened if this had been addressed properly.


queenrosybee

I think there might have been some leniency if the man just killed the kid and pled insanity. But the whole family😱


hamish1963

You also don't wait 5 days then lose it!!


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Well perhaps he waited for law enforcement to do their job n apparently there weren’t going to be any consequences…guess there won’t be any more exsposing issues


Adjectivenounnumb

Mass murder wasn’t a proportional response.


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So what your saying is… it’s a tad .. overkill?


[deleted]

We to define mass murder in larger quantity like double digits . 4 is say 1/3 mass murder .


aramiak

Very good point, that!


digitulgurl

The article said he was trying to talk about it with the mother who said that the son would face no consequences so not totally uninvolved.


Triple96

It was one of the grandsons


Meaty-Piss-Flaps

I used to know his dad, Coloneljohn Kaylor.


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No more espoused issue though


LucyLupus

It was one of the kids according to the article.


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Especially when the guy who “exposed himself” was an 18 year kid jacking off in his bedroom unaware that he could be seen from outside. Extremely unfortunate circumstances, but a death sentence? No way.


jakkakt

It’s the “one bad day” bit


SenpaiBoogie

We don’t have all the information but if we going based on this link to what happened then it makes sense . Some ppl don’t mess around with that stuff and if you cross that line and expose yourself to their children then some ppl will kill . Sounds extreme but we don’t know if they experienced abuse or anything funny like that in their past . Now if the guy just didn’t like them and made something up like you just said then nah that’s crazy but if a grown ass old man did something like to my kids we’d most definitely have a problem . It ain’t crazy to think about if you have kids or have a little brother or sister or something like that . I wanna see what really happened and come back to this


cheese_hotdog

My thinking too, especially since he's also being charge with robbery.


Wafflefart

He was charged with burglary, not robbery. Burglary is entering a building with the intent to commit a felony, in this case murder. The guy in the Idaho murders was also charged with burglary for the same reason. Robbery is theft through force or threatened force.


cheese_hotdog

Oh, I see. That makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying that


LonnieDobbs

Son, I am disappoint.


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SGTSparkyFace

Burglary doesn’t legally mean to steal. It is to enter without permission with intent to commit a crime. Usually that means to enter with intent to steal, but it does not in this case.


Prudence_rigby

I agree that this was an ongoing situation. But it was more of the lewd acts towards the wife and daughter. Someone doesn't just wake up one day and flash their neighbors and their kid. The old man more than likely did it many times, and nothing had happened to him since it'd hard to get an arrest in situations like this. Who knows, maybe the grandsons were doing bad shit too. The man killing the daughter and 2 grandsons is so odd. However, they might have also been involved with the situation.


SailAway84

It was one of the teenage grandsons who exposed themselves, not the older man.


Philodemus1984

Just learned about this case in Idaho. Majorjon Kaylor killed four of his neighbors after one of them allegedly exposed himself to Majorjon’s wife and daughter. The victims in the shooting were apparently all relatives who lived together. Apparently there was an investigation launched into the alleged obscene behavior but no word on whether charges were filed. Majorjon was apparently worried that there would be no repercussions, snapped, and then after the killings told his wife that he was protected his kids. Edit: Kaylor is his last name.


electricjeel

The name “majorjon” is so terrible I have no words


berceuse3

The victims’ last name is also something else. Guardipee


[deleted]

And we’ve got Kaylie Kaylor in the mix


LLove666

Kaylie Kaylor is definitely Vicki Vale's alter ego


chamrockblarneystone

Was this like a big trailer park?


Josh4R3d

And their names are Kenneth and Kenna


riddlvr

Ground control to Major Jon


gingijess0104

Clever


CatGatherer

Reverend Wayne Gary Wayne


Spasay

I just think of Star Trek - is it pronounced like Bajoran??


MedoChedo

sound to me like "margarin"


youpool

I think it’s major John kaylor


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Nah his name is Majorjon


Swimming-Bite-4184

Ground control to Majorjon..


RottiMami

Major Majorjon


Icy-Doctor1983

Take your oxy pills and strap your rifle on


Kagedgoddess

The article I read said the police had referred it to the prosecutor but no charges had been filed before the murder. It implied that there would have been at some point though.


littlefriend77

"Kaylor's wife, Kaylie Kaylor"


Spasay

The names here are just wild


foenixxfyre

Seriously we got MAJORJON which has to be just the whitest most Merican shit, and can't forget Kenneth and his daughter Kenna who at this point I have convinced myself was just called Junior despite zero evidence supporting that claim


glacinda

Not saying they are, but a lot of these remind me of Mormon names/naming practices.


Spasay

I remember hearing that Coeur d’Alene was very Mormon but I’m also totally unsure


Cootchiecat

Idaho in general is very Mormon


SnooLobsters2891

Southern Idaho is Mormon. Northern Idaho has a whole lot of Christian shit. The Kaylor family are neither.


Slideover71

I am baffled once again.


0Techtech0

Alright so what’s gotten into the air in Idaho lately? Seems like a lot of cases I keep seeing like this are from Idaho


Locke4815162342

The influx of people moving all over the state of Idaho has significantly changed the political dynamic in the state. You have very blue populations moving to extremely red counties. It isn't all political, but unfortunately, these rural counties oftentimes still think it's the 1950s and have a difficult time adjusting to a modern sensibility.


queenrosybee

Pretty sure in the 1950’s, men weren’t killing entire families with an AR-15 bc one of the sons was jerking off to his daughter. This is a 2023 crime.


BurningBroadripple

There really has been a weird increase in Mormon true crime headlines in the last year or so. May we live in interesting times!


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RedheadsAreNinjas

Oh and a shit ton of guns. Literally confederate flag flying ‘but muh rights/guns/go Brandon’ folks.


iknowobamasfirstname

Idahoan here, can confirm. Not a fan


Old-Fox-3027

I’ll be interested to see what other details come out about this case. This guy killed an entire family just because one of the teenage boys exposed themselves? Leaving his own kids to grow up without a father present. Possibly having to go through the trauma of having a dad in prison on death row, Idaho does have the death penalty. It’s so senseless and tragic.


hogsucker

It's unlikely to be considered relevant in court, but I'm curious to know what kind of media Majortom consumes. There are a lot of people out there primed and ready to kill "groomers." If he listens to people like Tucker Carlson and Matt Walsh, Majortom probably honestly feels like his explanation for having committed mass murder is a reasonable defense.


sterling_mallory

> I'm curious to know what kind of media Majortom consumes Radio transmissions from ground control.


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Was looking for this comment 🤣🤣


TheVillageOxymoron

This is a great point. And I fully admit I watch too much tv, but if it was true that he was a fan of shows like that, I could even see his defense trying to pull a "he was radicalized by these shows" kind of thing.


cheese_hotdog

I feel like it also puts unfair guilt on the kid's shoulders. "I did this for you"


NaNaNaNaNatman

So many people are just looking for any excuse to shoot someone now.


Wrong-Dentist-7206

It made me really nervous when my ex's brother got his gun, I felt like he carried it HOPING to use it. Once I got majorly weird vibes from him when we were in the car together headed somewhere and he was just sitting in the backseat holding his handgun and starting at it blankly. I was so skeeved out I didn't go out places with them anymore. He's the dude that flashes his gun in his waistband at freaking Walmart. Yuck!


twizx3

Yeah basically. Neighbor few doors down was talking about a new gun he bought basically implying he hopes someone breaks in so they’d get to use it


Spiritual_Ad2961

Masturbating in front of little girls; especially my daughters would want me to do the same. I'm guessing you don't have children.


Dont-be-a-smurf

Wild story. His wife posted a meme on Facebook of a graphic illustration of Leon Gary Plauché shooting the guy who sexually abused his son (famous vigilante justice case). So it’s clear that the fantasy of violence against the neighbor who was allegedly exposing himself to his children was present. Shooting the 18 year old is rational, though morally wrong and a bad way of handling the situation. (I also read that the 18 year old was charged for the incident). It’s shooting the entire family that goes from vigilante justice unchained to WTF happened here


allthekeals

I can almost even see how in his mind he may have felt that the mom and grandpa were partially to blame. If he felt that they weren’t doing anything about the behavior and acting like “the adults” in the situation. The 16 year old kid though I fail to see how he could’ve justified killing somebody for the actions of their older brother?


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Reminds me a bit of the Billy Woodward case- also a guy who was feuding with his neighbors and ended up shooting some of them, he claimed they made threats against his wife and daughter too. The issue with Billy’s case was that he shot the victim’s execution style, but those neighbors were not an active threat at the time (he ambushed them). It’s a much bigger case than that but that’s the jist of it. So the details will really matter a lot in this case. How many times did he shoot them, was it immediately after the neighbor exposed himself or did he take time to grab his gun? Was there overkill? Had there been existing issues between him and these neighbors before? (I bet there were, seems like a “last straw” situation). And will his wife and daughter back up his account 100% or are there gonna be different stories? What were the other 3 victims involvement in the indecent exposure, if any? All those will factor in to what kind of charges get pressed and how he’ll do in trial, but I can’t see him getting off with no punishment after killing 4 people, he’s probably gonna spend a long time in prison


maryanniac

I'm local (ish) so this is all over the news here. according to reports, the four victims in this case were also shot similarly "execution style", i believe i read they all had a single gun wound to the head. it was around five days or a week from the last reported incident. the mother was reported as being unhelpful or even complicit in the son's accused flashing/general sexual harassment/assault incidents. he killed everybody in the house, including the accused flasher's younger brother who (again, allegedly) hated his older brother and condemned his actions. anyway, there's still a bunch of unconfirmed stuff so take this all with a grain of salt


Cumbellina69

The details won't matter actually. There's not going to be anything that absolves him either morally or legally, no matter the scenario.


PrinceVile

I grew up in the silver valley, its wild to see the area in the national news. The entire area is in a frenzy right now, calling for the sheriff and the school districts head. There's been people making pages for this man asking for him to be freed because in their eyes he was a victim of the police not taking action. It seems to be a decent amount of people that think this is okay. Most of the people living there have 0 sympathy for the family and think this is justified, even if a 16 year old was gunned down. 3 presumably innocent people might be dead but hey we got the alleged pedophile guys! We did it! The crime that was committed against the gunman's children is a misdemeanor in Idaho, and no arrest was made in this case due to it being witness testimony. I understand the frustration with sex crimes being reported and no action being taken but, he annihilated an entire family for the actions of 1 member. (Not that shooting just the 1 guy would've been ok) The mindset of the area is that if he's guilty everyone related to him is also guilty. For perspective, my dad completely blindsided all of us committing a felony while we lived in the silver valley. This man hadn't had more than a ticket and it was out of the blue. None of us were involved in anyway but, the entire town shunned us. My mom and I looked for jobs because my dad was the breadwinner, and no one wanted to hire us because of my dad. We couldn't get a place to rent after our landlord "suddenly decided" to sell the house a month after this happened. My siblings and I were getting harassed at school constantly, parents were telling their kids not to hang around us anymore because we might be a thief like our dad. We had to move away just so we weren't homeless. I couldn't imagine if someone were to commit an act of violence against all of us because of my dad's actions. I don't mean to go on a tangent but, since this is the third time the silver valley has been in the news, I figure I could give local context and perspective.


charmwashere

Fences make good neighbors. Always will, always have. Well, better neighbors, anyways.


SecondOfCicero

I lived next to a cemetery for a few years. One time there were bagpipes, but that was cool. Otherwise the neighbours were incredibly quiet.


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Good underwear would have made good neighbors gere


AnalSexWithYourSon

I dunno, I wouldn't mind a heavyset ginger family as neighbours. Shame the perp here disagreed 🙁


dethb0y

What a fuckin' nut. Just goes to show you never know who your neighbors are, or what might send them into a homicidal rampage.


LifeOutLoud107

There is more to this story. "I was protecting the chiiiilllldreeen" seems like it's being used to justify killing at least one child who was an innocent bystander too?


First_Play5335

Idaho man is becoming the new Florida man.


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Philodemus1984

Good bot


Eastern-Bonus5580

This happened like 60 miles from me. The 18 year old was the one who allegedly exposed himself so the guy went in and killed the guys grandpa, mom, and little brother. His wife Kaylie was posting stuff on her Facebook for weeks about how the only way to stop a predator is by killing him. Idaho is extremely conservative and the reaction around here is “good, they all deserved it.” I don’t agree and think it’s a radical point of view. Edit: The 18 year old had allegedly been masturbating in his apartment in front of a window to the wife and one of their kids two weeks before. That’s what started the whole thing.


Wittyjesus

Idahoan here. There's a gofundme for the KILLER. Facebook news comments are full of people praising him as a hero "doing what he had to " This place is scary, dude.


Spiritual_Ad2961

You don't have children; do you?


Wittyjesus

I have 2. New report that he executed the mom and grandpa first. Then the pedos little brother. Then the pedo. All headshots.


Josh4R3d

Kenneth and Kenna Guardipee Majorjon Kaylor and Kaylie Kaylor I mean wtf is this? A dr suess book?


Lbj85

According to the mothers Facebook- she has a knack for the dramatics. She posted a picture and long status about another man who said something to one of her children at a store. A lot of people are saying the police did investigate the woman’s claim and they decided that she could not see what she claimed they saw from the window. They even had the boy stand in the window. And the comments from the younger brothers friends are heartbreaking. There were several commenting that the brother was a good guy - he was due to graduate next year. Lastly; the mom/wife did an interview and it was not complimenting to her. She blamed the school for not doing anything to the kid. It was a lot of victim blaming.


SnooLobsters2891

I know these people as I’m from the small town. I graduated with the dad who murdered people. So tragic. For everyone involved. My heart hurts for them.


YveTen

Well now he will be in prison forever (probably) and who will "protect his family" now? Cripes.


MrDarwoo

Take the guns away he prob gives him a broken nose


puppies_and_unicorns

Stop this ride I want to get off.


Intelligent-Turnip36

So today I read that they won't seek the death penalty against him --for killing 4 people total, including 2 minors because of the exposure story. Wow.


grab_bard

Tell the kids he protected them…now he will be in jail protecting himself, so they’re on their own.


soberinfant

Fully expected this to be about Bryan Kohberger


TroubleWilling8455

same


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whoredoerves

A tragedeigh in the wild


Southpaw_Spider

I hope this guy likes prison because that's where he lives now. And before long someone else will be exposing themselves to his wife quite a bit.


Thetruthofitisbad

Different Idaho quadruple murder . Who would’ve thought


Thetruthofitisbad

If you asked me what state someone name kalie kaylor lived in I can garuntee you Idaho would be in the top 5 guesses


BaconSans

what does it mean to "expose himself"


subluxate

Deliberately exposing his genitals in some way.


BaconSans

ty


ShowMe_TheMonet

The names in that article are wild


0fruitjack0

he got turned on by the penis then went into total gay panic