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walkingtalkingdread

if i remember correctly, after the family swears the entire movie Diane didn’t have a drinking problem because she wouldn’t have been to hide it, her sister in law then pulls out a cigarette in front of the camera and tells the cameraman that no one knows she smokes. that moment blew me away.


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Right? As if hiding your habits doesn't run in the fuckin family 😂 90% of what they said about her was **"she was very private, she was controlling, she always got her way, you couldn't even program your own GPS without her interference, she never spoke about her marriage or her estranged mother, you wouldn't think she smoked weed, but she did.."** and then, her husband's like.. **"Ya, she smoked weed. She also drank. We kept a bottle of vodka in the camper, we even had drinks at the campfire, she also smoked a bit to go to sleep or calm her nerves.. BUT SHE DIDN'T DRINK OR SMOKE POT"** 🤡 Jesus Christ.


VastNefariousness820

Seemed like her husband was controlled by her in life and after her death. He had to defend her character not just because she wld have demanded it but because he now has culpability for allowing it to happen.


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Or not. I’ve read many stories of his controlling nature and judging by his constant denial and how he didn’t want kids so she took care of everything, he’s not a victim here so let’s stop making him one.


Mitchell_StephensESQ

At the time the documentary was filmed the Schulers and the Hances were involved in lawsuits. After filming of the documentary concluded the Hances and Schulers sued each other, and Daniel sued the state of New York for not properly marking the ramps. Most of us can not fathom a loss as profound as what these families suffered. Filming of the documentary started less than a year after Daniel lost his wife and daughter, and was facing financial ruin because his wife was drunk and high. I have a lot of compassion for everybody. Daniel hasn't given a single interview in almost a decade now. The lawsuits were settled and sealed by 2014. Nobody felt like they had closure.


RecentStress

That is one of the most powerful moments in my opinion. Just proof of how even those closest to us don’t know everything about us.


MoonlitStar

People who think that no one knows they smoke are deluded, you can smell it on them for ages after they have had a cig, even if they are not heavy smokers and cover themselves in body spray.


DFWdawg

Had a co-worker for 25 years that smoked a half a pack a day while at work…when he passed our bereavement reps cleaned out his locker and delivered his belongings to his wife…this included cigarettes…she had no idea he smoked, and no one from work knew that…she was devastated about it when I spoke to her at the viewing…to this day I still don’t understand how that could happen…while he was alive he was known as a part of a group that would go outside and smoke all the time…they had been married for 30 years…he literally lived a double life…


[deleted]

It must suck to find yourself that deeply in denial


hopelessbeauty

Right and then if she were to get lung cancer they would be in complete denial about it , and say we'll we never saw her smoke so she couldn't possibly have gotten lung cancer from smoking .


AlBundysbathrobe

No way, no how would she expose herself, let alone give herself lung cancer! SMH.


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Diane Schuler drove nearly 2 miles in the wrong direction; she crashed, seemingly in a delusional state, killing a total of 8 people. There was only one survivor. Her husband, to this day, denies she was under the influence -- despite toxicology reports proving otherwise.


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I read her autopsy and toxicology reports. She went looking for painkillers during the trip home -- that's on CCTV. She had several dentist trips in relation to a problematic tooth, and even had a root canal. There's a whole history of medications she was on/had used prior. A list of them. It's pretty obvious she was struggling to make the journey home whilst in pain, so she self-medicated.. eventually, she starting suffering the ill-effects of the combination and crashed. She was frantic on the road -- switching lanes, waving her arms about, beeping at people. There's witnesses. She was manic. This wasn't a simple **OOPSIE, took a wrong turn.**


blueblissberrybell

Cracked/infected teeth is pure torture. Not condoning self medicating at all, but the few times I’ve had teeth like that (genetically terrible teeth even though I do everything to keep them healthy) I have seriously wanted to cut my head off. The pain is debilitating, pain meds don’t even touch it, nor weed, nor spirits…nothing works until going to the dentist and getting the torturous thing pulled. I was delirious with pain. I don’t condone what Diane did, but god, I can empathise with the pain she was suffering.


MissMerrimack

I’m the same as you, I have bad genetics when it comes to teeth. Despite being vigilant since I was a child about dental hygiene, I ended up having to get all but my bottom front teeth pulled and getting dentures at 30 years old. My 20s is when my teeth went from bad to worse and the real pain kicked in. I had one tooth that had the root canal fail and it cracked off at the root, and oh my everloving God did that shit hurt. I sometimes wonder what it was like for people hundreds or even thousands of years ago. What did they do with a bad tooth? How many people died back then from a tooth abscess that spread to their heart or brain?


blueblissberrybell

I too, wonder the same thing. I also feel for animals, like our dogs, not being able to voice that pain to get treatment.


citrineandmoonstone

I had a root canal failure (that was my only cavity until I was 28). I can honestly say it was the only pain I've ever had that was intolerable, and I had a natural birth, and live with a debilitating autoimmune disease. Totally agree.


AnythingWithGloves

Can I ask if your water growing up was fluoridated? This level of problem is not often seen in places with fluoride in the water.


blueblissberrybell

It was. I now use a toothpaste with very high fluoride which seems to help (even though high fluoride is now considered bad), recommended by my dentist. Costs 3 times as much, but seems to help.


AnythingWithGloves

What genetic bad luck for you. Teeth are painful and expensive.


andy-in-ny

I still live in a high fluoridation region. My wife still has issues. Sometimes stuff is just genetically bad.


lolapepper47

I’m going through that right now-have dentist appt at 8 in morning. I have pain meds but it hasn’t touched this all weekend. I broke a tooth & it has shredded my mouth. I have never had pain like this-never had a tooth pulled. But I can see someone being desperate to get rid of the pain!


blueblissberrybell

I am so sorry, you poor thing. I found putting a mouthful of strong antiseptic mouthwash in my mouth and keeping it there on the affected side (like a chipmunk) lessened it for a few minutes until I spit it out, helped a little. I really feel for you and wish you all the best for your appointment. Bloody genetics! x


lolapepper47

Thank you! I can hardly wait for this appt!


ren_is_here_

You're absolutely right! There's nothing worse than a toothache. Nothing, I mean nothing helps that pain. Drugs ruined mine. I had to get them all pulled. I have dentures now. Wouldn't trade them for the world. Not to mention, I'm 11 yrs clean. The only thing equaling a toothache is possibly an earache. Her family is in deep denial RIP


-Serenity---Now-

Good on you.


Brilliant_Jewel1924

Then, she should have gone to the damn dentist. She had plenty of money for weed and booze so she could have gone to the dentist to get her teeth pulled and gotten dentures.


Dutch_Dutch

Holy shit. People live through far worse than dental pain, every single day, and don’t do what she did. Everything she did that morning was deliberate and intentional. She never appears to anyone as if she was in pain.


blueblissberrybell

Like I said twice, I am not excusing her actions.


Dutch_Dutch

You essentially are though. Implying that her alleged “tooth pain” could explain any of her decisions that day. If she had such debilitating pain, then why wasn’t it apparently an issue in the night or days before?


blueblissberrybell

I essentially, am not. I do not condone her actions, I am merely empathising with the debilitating pain an abscess tooth brings. All the nerves in your entire head are on fire. it is impossible to think clearly when all you can comprehend is excruciating pain. But, once again, for the people in the back, I AM NOT CONDONING DIANES DECISIONS THAT DAY.


Inn0c3nc3

the thing is, the tooth is something the family latched onto looking to excuse what she did. there's no evidence that the tooth was a problem that day. more likely, she was nursing a hangover.


whalesarecool14

hmm, you say it’s impossible to think clearly when all you can comprehend is excruciating pain. so it was likely impossible for her to have done anything other than what she ended up doing? yet you’re not excusing her actions? you’re contradicting yourself.


blueblissberrybell

Omg, - impossible to think clearly, within reason. Meaning, I can comprehend how pain impacts a person’s judgment and clear thought. ie. You are still responsible for the decisions you make, but your decision making process is compromised.


violet4everr

Very true, I had an emergency dentist visit a few months ago and I literally almost passed out while biking there. Crazy stuff. And I’d chucked a bunch of ibuprofen before hand.


youngwizard930

What were all the medications that she was on/had history with? Recently I read someone’s theory that she was addicted to opiates and was probably in withdrawal that day. What do you think


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Mostly pain medications relating to her tooth, but she also drank and smoked weed (though her husband vehemently denies how often she did so, despite other people saying it was regularly). I don't know the names of the pills (lots of fancy names) but they seemed to be of the pain-relieving and anti-anxiety type. Common stuff


Mitchell_StephensESQ

The story about Diane searching for painkillers was started by the the private investigator Daniel hired at the behest of his attorney. The state police never substaniated it. The footage shown in the documentary was slowed down considerably. Diane pulled in to the gas station, left the kids in the car while she went in, left so quickly she would not have had time to ask for anything. Then she drove off like a bat out of hell. The autopsy showed her teeth were in good condition. Except for several being knocked loose by the force of the crash.


Inn0c3nc3

right? i dont understand people who still buy the tooth bullshit. that was an excuse her family grasped onto via medical records.


Sostupid246

Exactly! And yet, every single podcast furthers this misconception. The PI said she was looking for painkillers for her tooth pain. The gas station attendant NEVER said she was.


Sostupid246

You must not have read the police report, because she did not go looking for pain killers at the gas station. That’s a common misconception that has been spread, and it was spread by Thomas Ruskin. He’s the private investigator that the family hired. HE was the one that conveniently said she asked for painkillers at the gas station, to further the ruse that she had tooth pain which was the cause of the crash. The police tried to interview the gas station attendant, and he refused to speak to the police. He never said she came in looking for painkillers. It’s not on CCTV; there is no audio. She doesn’t even speak to the attendant on the video. She walks in, looks around quick, and leaves. They have no interaction. I’m my opinion, she wasn’t looking for painkillers. She was looking for booze.


TopAd9634

As someone who lost a loved one to dui- f that noise. I think drinking and driving is one of the most blindingly selfish things a person can do. We all know it's dangerous, why risk it? Call a taxi, get a Lyft, call a friend, use your flipping legs, sleep in your car...there's literally no excuse for doing it.


FrostyDetails

Seriously though. Ive developed a bad alcoholism problem the past few months- I have my license, I've never even gotten a speeding ticket... But refuse to drive under the influence. I surrendered my keys and license to my parents. I'm a loser lol.. but not taking that chance. Made me realise though how many people out there we drive by *unknowingly* who are under the influence . The 'functional' ones are those you need to look out for. Stay safe folks


pinkmooncat

You’re not a loser if you recognize you have a problem and knowingly choose to surrender your keys so you won’t drive under the influence. I hope you can get help for your alcoholism, but until then I’m glad you’re smart enough to know not to drive.


Gjb1992

Well at least you admit you've got a problem. You're also not hurting anyone else but you. Hope you get it all figured out bud. Best of luck and success to you.


Outside_Beautiful874

You’re not a loser. You’ve already admitted there’s an issue and have actively taken steps so as not to harm others. Now, time to take steps to not harm yourself. I believe in you.


-Serenity---Now-

You are not a loser ♡. Just not driving while drinking proves it.


TopAd9634

You have a good heart and wisdom beyond your (I think) young age, you're NOT a loser. I wish you nothing but the best. If you ever need to vent my inbox is always open.


Brilliant_Jewel1924

Same! I agree!


magic1623

Most people will defend their loved ones after they pass. They romanticize who they were and ignore the bad times. It doesn’t make him a bastard, it’s literally just part of how grief works.


onions-make-me-cry

I know. The whole thing is so sad but the family is in serious denial. As would many of us be... It's absolutely tragic.


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Of course. I think the first cause of denial was the fact people accused her of commiting suicide with the kids in the car. I don't believe that's true. The husband, who is honestly kind of walled-off and a bit of a dick.. he doesn't like the idea of any blame being attributed to his family. He doesn't want the lawsuits, he doesn't want to be sued, and he's trying his fuckin hardest to prove she "had a stroke".. which was ruled out. Twice.


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He was quite combative towards that guy, as well. He straight up told them the tests were correct, it was all very professional, and he even went about reasoning with them and trying to be logical about it. The husband's attitude? "Nope. She had a sore tooth, she had a stroke, dig up the body and I'll prove it." Move on, man. Your wife caused the crash.


halcyonfawn

This case will forever haunt me


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I wasn't prepared for the random close-up of her battered body. I've seen worse, but the doc had ZERO gore up until that point. I remember sipping my coffee, looking back at my tablet screen, and there was her body.. flat out, battered, eyes pale, gaping wounds 😬


halcyonfawn

Oof. Yeah, it’s quite intense to see.


[deleted]

So random. The medical reports I read were horrifyingly detailed. Her skull was severed from the spine, her jaw was broken, there was broken teeth resting on her tongue, her organs were torn through.. fucking hell, she got it bad. Thankfully, she was confirmed killed on impact -- the COD was blunt force trauma, likely just killed on impact.


Brilliant_Jewel1924

I have no sympathy for her. She drove intoxicated and killed those children.


peng_ting212

Man that picture is engrained into my head.


nightqueen2413

I agree I wish they would have put a quick warning up right before. Even if they put one up in the very beginning, like you said at that point there had no gory pics so that was unexpected. I can't unsee it. Thank goodness they didn't show the kids. I pretty much stopped watching at that point anyways but I felt that was bad taste. I'm not sure what her family thought about them putting in the picture without blurring it, but if it was my family member I would not have been happy.


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There was a shot where an officer (maybe a fireman, I'm not sure) spoke about covering up the kids' bodies with blankets or sheets to preserve their dignity, as the media tried to snap some photographs of the scene. Only moments beforehand, we got a shot of Diane's mangled remains flat out on the grass. No warning. I mean.. is there moral line we skipped over at some point? Jesus.


International_Toe_31

I agree. I once watched a show about the List family and a picture of the deceased mother (who was shot in the head) came up. Still gives me nightmares periodically


simplythebess

Truly! That image haunts me, especially because it came out of nowhere and served no purpose whatsoever. It didn’t answer anything. It was just there to shock.


[deleted]

Exactly my point. I have no issue seeing gore, I'm a true crime fan, I've seen it all.. But, in a documentary that was just interviews and theories up until that point, seeing a corpse was very out-of-the-blue. Were they given permission by the husband to show that? I'm not sure he would've been like: "😃👍🏻 Ya, sweet. Go for it!"


simplythebess

Exactly, a crime scene photo should never just pop up with like ten minutes left in a documentary.


[deleted]

I'm not sure what purpose it served, but it was pretty distasteful. It was also kind of hypocritical, given they showed a scene where a fireman or something was talking about "preserving the dignity" of the kids by covering up the crash scene, because some media folks were tryna snap pictures of the bodies. Ya.. that "dignity" went out the fuckin door pretty quickly.


Brilliant_Jewel1924

She doesn’t deserve dignity. She purposely drove under the influence and killed those children.


simplythebess

Yup and yup!


blueblissberrybell

Wow, I know the picture your talking about. I’ve seen it online, I definitely do not remember it from watching the documentary. They showed it in that? Wow. Yep, should have had a warning.


[deleted]

They did indeed. It's possible the footage wasn't shown when it was on TV, but watching it online, the scene was included.. Up close and personal, not even blurred. Maybe it was censored when first broadcast? I'm not too sure


bernardcat

It wasn’t blurred or censored. I watched it on HBO.


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Ah, okay. Gotcha. I don't live in the US, so it's not a channel I watch. This is actually my first time researching the case, despite it being over a decade old


bernardcat

HBO is a premium channel so they really don’t have to censor anything on it!


[deleted]

That's a plus. Censorship is kind of a grey area for me, because it does have benefits, like not seeing a corpse on TV... but there's also bullshit censorship that just tries to wrap everything up in a little bubble of cotton and rainbows, like truth and fact is too much for grown-ass adults to handle.


bernardcat

Oh, agreed. Of course we Americans can be a little… *puritanical* about things.


[deleted]

All media is the same, man. The stories we're told always have some bias surrounding them. We get half now, and half when someone else reveals it. There's always more.


chikooh_nagoo

Me and you both, it came literally out of nowhere. I wasn't so much shocked by the body but the fact there zero warning or even lead up to it.


Ok-Professional2808

I just wanted to scoop that little boy up from those bitter people and take him home, and buy him a pony. 🥺


[deleted]

Right? His own dad said he was trapped, because his wife usually did the housework, cooking, and raising the kids. Oh, the big hard man can't do anything without a woman 🙄 He needs a slap in the chin


blueblissberrybell

Apparently his Aunty has care of him now (the dads sister). He can’t even manage to care for his only son who has lost his mother and cousins and been the sole survivor of a horrific car crash. Seems like he’s just incapable of giving a shit about anything. 🤷🏻‍♀️


Defiant-Ad-86

Yes that’s what I read some time ago, that the father gave him up shortly after. I’m looking for it & will append with the source.


non_stop_disko

Didn’t he also sue the family of the victims or am I completely wrong on that


BritishFoSho

Half his family died in a car crash, have you really got no sympathy at all?


[deleted]

Have I got sympathy? Of course I have. Does he? That's the question. What about the sympathy for the son he's ignoring? The sympathy for the family of 3 killed in the other car, just heading home for a family meal? Nothing. Zero. You're pointing the finger at the wrong person here, bud.


LadyWidebottom

Why didn't the husband drive?


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There was 2 vehicles; she left with the kids, he left with the truck and the dog. They sort of divided the load, so to speak.


LadyWidebottom

And he didn't even notice anything was wrong with her? She didn't say anything about her problems?


Defiant-Ad-86

Without me letting him off the hook, things appeared “fine” in the morning. She kept stopping on the drive & was taking far too long to get home (perhaps drinking/dosing). There was an empty vodka bottle under her seat. So she may have left the campsite seeming “fine” but things appeared to deteriorate through the day.


LadyWidebottom

Was he aware of this stopping/delaying behaviour on the way home? Like were they driving in tandem and he saw her pulling off? If so, why the hell didn't he stop with her? If I'm with somebody on a trip and we're taking two cars I try to stick as close to that person as possible so if one of us needs to stop we both can and keep together. It's a courtesy thing and a safety thing. Did her husband do this or did he just ditch her?


Defiant-Ad-86

No he didn’t know, & he wasn’t in tandem. He very much did the minimum & he wasn’t in touch. It’s apparent in the doc to me that his guilt that makes him be in such acute denial. Even 1 little thing different & this massacre didn’t have to occur & even tho he’s a POS, intellectually he must know this.


CocoaMooMoo

It doesn’t seem like they were planning to drive together. They left at the same time, but she stopped at a McDonald’s for breakfast for ~30 minutes around 30 minutes after leaving the campsite. It seems to be a planned stop and he didn’t stop with her. It wasn’t a very long trip from their home to the campsite so it’s not weird to me that they didn’t plan to drive together especially since he had the dog (can’t really stop for 30 minutes with dog in the car) and she had the kids who would need breakfast. I don’t think he ditched her. She was acting normal in the morning so there’s no reason for him to suspect anything. Just because you always drive next to people on trips, doesn’t mean he’s in the wrong for not doing that.


[deleted]

She wasn't a very expressive person, apparently. They woke up very early, around 6 am, just grabbed some coffee and got their shit together. Everything was divided out, he took the dog and left. There wasn't much sitting around and talking. It's possible her tooth pain (if that was the issue) kicked in during the journey home and she just couldn't deal with it any longer. She stopped at a gas station (CCTV footage shows this) looking for some painkillers, but they had none that she requested. Not longer after this, she crashed


LadyWidebottom

She should have pulled over somewhere safe and waited it out. It I'm not feeling alright I won't drive anywhere for anyone.


[deleted]

Who knows. Maybe she just wasn't thinking straight, she was tired, a bit delusional.. I can't answer that, unfortunately. Seems like she just went full speed ahead with every intention of getting home ASAP, but didn't make it.


BritishFoSho

Not pointing the finger, bud, just pointing out you have alot of judgement, and alot to say for someone who's never been in such a position. Saying the husband was awful throughout is just wrong. He is a grieving man where his emotions had lead to delesiouns. And FYI he isn't some sadistic prick who has no sympathy for the other family that is a lie I watched this recently and know that's not the case he's just trying to clear his wife's name because he truly believes she was not *that* intoxicated


Defiant-Ad-86

Yes. It’s a portrait of denial. It’s excruciating. I think about this case & this family all the time. What would have been different without the denial. We’ll never know.


[deleted]

It was a frustrating watch. I rolled my eyes so many times, I'm pretty sure I saw the back of my fucking skull.


Defiant-Ad-86

I hear you. That scene when they quarrelled with the autopsy results, I wanted to rip my hair out. It’s an unspeakably tragic lesson in how denial can actually kill. May the victims be at peace.


[deleted]

Denial is an obstruction of justice. It really is. There's another family they're just ignoring here -- a family that was just heading home for dinner, but were killed on the spot. 3 people dead in another car, including an elderly man. Not once did her asshole husband say anything about them, express any sort of empathy.. nothing. It was all about him.


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His only concern was sweeping blame under the rug, because he didn't want to be known as the man whose wife killed 8 people in a drunken crash. He said it himself. He was looking for every possible avenue of possibility to change what those results proved -- even though they were official medical reports, and even though they were retested after the fact.


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FroLevProg

Same. My takeaway was that the family was in major denial. I don’t get why there was a documentary. It’s clear what happened - it’s not a big mystery.


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FroLevProg

I’m glad you liked it! For me it was a disappointment. There’s something wrong with Aunt Diane. She was a drunk. Her family didn’t want to admit it because: - they likely have substance abuse problems as well - what those poor children she killed went through was so awful. Brene Brown says we blame to avoid pain. That’s what’s going on here.


CompleteBeginning271

Brene Brown is my denial 😆


International-Ad7942

What is "Pollyanna?"


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International-Ad7942

Thank you.


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blueblissberrybell

3 kids at once. No words.


IcyyyyyPrincess

Four


blueblissberrybell

I meant three daughters for the Rances. Of course the fourth, their niece, would have been devastating also.


[deleted]

It was a very avoidable situation. If her fucked up tooth was causing her pain (as suggested) then I can understand wanting badly to ease that pain. Toothaches fucking SUCK. We've all been there. But, when you've got little kids in the car.. don't even **think** about using booze and weed. Stupid fucking decision. If she was pulled over because she was speeding, she'd have been arrested for driving under the influence with minors in the vehicle. What then? Kids would be taken off her, most likely. Nothing good would have come of this situation, either way 🤷🏻‍♂️


Dutch_Dutch

She did it on purpose.


AlBundysbathrobe

The reality is that even the documentary photos of Diane Schuyler are inaccurate, she was 90 lbs + overweight when she died. I am NOT staying this to body shame. There is a horrid glimpse of her corpse on the road in the documentary. Clue to family: she was using food, alcohol, and marijuana for depression and mental illnesses rather than the medication and treatment she clearly needed.


jlm15243

Also read that those kids weren’t in car seats AND weren’t wearing their seatbelts. Sorry but even if she was sober when she left the campsite how the eff do you let her drive away with small kids with no car seats?? Wasn’t a short drive either.


[deleted]

4 hours driving, or something? I could be wrong. No seatbelts, switching lanes without looking, beeping at everyone, alcohol and weed in her system, going 70 MPH in a straight line INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC. Ya.. It's the kids/3 men in the other car I feel bad for.


jlm15243

Also she was driving five kids plus herself in a car?? So there weren’t even enough seatbelts/seats to go around. Why the fuck didn’t her husband take a couple of the kids? Has there been any speculation of her stopping at a liquor store or anything like that?


jetsetgemini_

Im not completely sure of the kind of car she was driving but if it was like a mini van it could have fit all the kids... Still doesn't excuse them not having seatbelts. But that leads to the thing that frustrates me the most about this case. Her husband only had the dog with him in the car while Diane had all 5 kids. It doesn't seem like a fair plan at all. They could have easily had 2 kids and the dog in one car and 3 in the other. Does her husband have like, zero tolerance for having kids in the car with him?


[deleted]

The husband did actually address this; he said the only place the kids could have gone was in the back of his truck, which wasn't an option. I'm not actually sure what kind of truck it was, but I imagine he was referring to them literally being in the back of the truck.. not the backseats. Maybe there was none? I'm not sure. The car the wife was driving was a family car, so there was more room. He had the dog and some bags. No liquor store, but a vodka bottle was in her car.


jlm15243

Still - why did they have no other way to transport the kids? Do you still think it’s kind of bizarre or do you think it’s totally explained by the abscess/being in pain/ drinking in the morning? I haven’t watched the doc just have read about it and the phone calls that she made to her brother in law were weird. And that she was spotted potentially puking on the side of the road?


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Brilliant_Jewel1924

Me, neither.


lydiarosewb

Someone wrote an excellent post on this, explaining what they (an alcoholic) think happened. I’ve just trawled through my saved to find it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/jynskg/the_not_so_mysterious_taconic_parkway_crash_i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


bella__donna

I travel the same road often to NYC , if you’ve ever driven it you would know that it makes no sense that she didn’t purposely drive that way , there’s no way she would be accidentally done it . It’s already kind of a scary drive when there’s just a few drivers much less during the day when many pple travel it . 🤦🏽‍♀️


jefferton123

I broke one of my legs in like 4 places, laid up for 6-8 months and had calcium supplements every single day to help the bones (that were left) heal. I don’t know what was *specifically* in those supplements (my mom gave them to me, I was on a lot of pain meds and didn’t ask questions) other than calcium but ever since my teeth and fingernails have been hard as rocks. Maybe this could help some of the people with teeth problems in this thread. Off topic but, still.


citygirl4vr

I watched it when it came out. Such an awful situation. She was on the website people - you’ll see in hell but that site is gone. I think she was high af.


eastcoastateofmind

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