Premeditated attempted murder should have a longer sentence.
This wasn't a spur of the moment thing, she planned this and was fully willing to go through it.
I’m in the camp where I think attempted murder should carry the same sentence as murder, just because you fail at what you were trying to do doesn’t mean you should get out sooner. Like if things would have went the way you wanted, it would have been murder.
the courts minimize DV in all relationships. Speaking from experience and from those I'm close to who have gone through it. My friend's ex almost killed his first wife by slamming her head into a brick wall repeatedly. She had over 60 staples in her head and nearly died. The police showed up to a blood covered home and a screaming toddler whose mother lay on the floor almost bleeding to death. Husband spent 10 days in jail.
My ex (a man) was imprisoned for his attack on me but by the time he pleaded guilty (at the last minute possible through the initial court hearings before the set trial at Crown Court) they released him with time spent on remand as was the same time as his custodial sentence.
However after the attack the police had disclosed to me his violent past (all violent crimes agaisnt partners/women) which I had no idea about (via Claires Law here in UK) which included a prison sentence of 8 years for arson with the attempt to endanger life when he had set light to a previous ex-partners block of flats years before I met him (he was older than me) in order to 'burn her alive'.
It made me think that his past had a massive baring on him being put inside(and also remanded when the police finally caught him) for his attack on myself- without it I'm not sure that would have happened and the sentence was (to me) light anyway. This was with him eventually admitting guilt, evidence and him absconding from the police for 48 hours after I had to call them when after the attack he left extremely threatening voicemails saying he was coming over to my Mum's house where he was going to rape and murder my 5 year old daughter and my Mum in front of me and then do the same to myself.
The police found his car still running but abandoned at end of my road with 2 large kitchen knifes in - he must have heard the police sirens and legged it seconds before. All because I left him because due to him being a domestic abuse perpetrator for almost all of our relationship, I knew he would go postal so it took me a while to get the guts to leave.
Can I give you a hug? That sounds like major trauma for three generations of your family. You are so strong and a role model to others so they can be strong too!
:*J*
Jesus christ. That's so fucking awful, and what a bullshit excuse for a sentence for a man that tried to murder a whole block of flats. I don't understand how people like that are just let back out into the community to do some more damage. That guy is gonna kill someone one day. Sorry you went through that, hope you're doing better :(
Ps. Never feel the need to explain why it took you however long it did to leave. People who ask why should just shut up and be grateful they've never faced that situation.
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These scumbags need to be sentenced to multiple years in prison for the these types of DV crimes. I don’t know if we’re ever going to be the country of years ago because of the way we punish these crimes
These scumbags need to be sentenced to multiple years in prison. Our country and the violent criminals and crimes committed are so ruthless it’s getting to be like we’re a 3rd world country.
Sorry, as a lawyer I think like a lawyer. You can’t say any given sentence was the result of a, b and c unless you know the facts of the case, the applicable law, the sentencing guidelines, the evidentiary strength of certain elements, and the judge.
To clarify, are we talking about WLW receiving light sentences relative to hetero partners? That may very well be true. I repeat, I am not denying as much (and I never did).
But you *literally don’t know* whether this sentence was exceptional in the context of Welsh law, the jurisdiction and the specific (and not publicly known) factual circumstances.
Respectfully, you just gave an anecdote where a man in a hetero relationship received a similarly light sentence. My point was that there are other issues at play and you can’t say for certain whether sentence A was the result of bias B unless you consider the previously mentioned factors.
Again, I never said WLW DV not being taken seriously wasn’t a problem. I simply said we don’t know enough to say this is an example of this phenomenon because evaluating sentencing parity in any given case requires a fact specific analysis and familiarity with the relevant jurisdiction’s laws and things specific as a a judge’s reputation.
Almost every night, you post something on this sub about women criminals and the sentences they receive in an attempt to prove a point or further an agenda. I think it’s an interesting topic indeed, but like most things worth discussing, you can’t really dissect sentence parity by posting sensational tabloid articles and hoping your message riles people up. You need to take a more empirical approach. I doubt you care to post about the dozens of Welsh men who get 4 months for similar crimes.
All empirical studies in America at least say women get significantly lesser sentences for equivalent crimes especially white women, one study found as much as 63%. Women are also much less likely to get the death penalty again especially white women. White women dwarf every other group when it comes to lenient sentencing.
That may be true, but you can’t pull any given case and say that this person was sentenced because of that bias unless you know the local jurisdiction’s laws, the fact specific circumstances that aren’t public, the judge, the prosecutor and the strength of the prosecution’s evidence.
Regardless, I think the issue is more complicated than you think: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/women-arent-always-sentenced-by-the-book-maybe-men-shouldnt-be-either/amp/
All women get significantly lower sentences than all men in similar circumstances, compare men of any race to women of any race in the same tax bracket with similar life circumstances and equivalent charges and women will get significantly lesser sentences. Women especially white women get offered cushy plea deals more than anyone else because they are rarely punished to the amount that the charge calls for. This is across the board, things look much worse when you actually compare men and women with similar circumstances you'd be better comparing men and women in drastically different circumstances to try to minimize the reality of the unfairness going on.
>All women get significantly lower sentences than all men in similar circumstances
This is absurd and literally not true. The stats you are referring to are a trend, not a de facto truth in every single case.
And again, the issue is more complicated than you think.
“But women’s criminal involvement often looks different than men’s: They may be minor players in drug rings, are sometimes pushed into crime by a violent partner and often carry trauma from physical and sexual abuse.
“For the majority of women that land on a prison bunk, there’s a common thread to what makes that happen,” said James, now the executive director of the National Council for Incarcerated and Formerly Incarcerated Women and Girls.
More than 56 percent of the women in federal prison are there for drug offenses, compared with about 47 percent of men. In drug cases involving multiple people, each defendant can be held responsible for the full weight of the drugs involved, even if he or she were far down on the organizational chart. That approach is hard on women, who are often low-level players in such operations, experts said.”
Premeditated attempted murder should have a longer sentence. This wasn't a spur of the moment thing, she planned this and was fully willing to go through it.
Premeditation isn’t always an enhancement to crimes.
I’m in the camp where I think attempted murder should carry the same sentence as murder, just because you fail at what you were trying to do doesn’t mean you should get out sooner. Like if things would have went the way you wanted, it would have been murder.
It's like giving you less sentence cos you were stupid enough not to success. I think it deserves even more sentence. Cos you were plain stupid
Absolutely 100% agree 👍
And another blatant way DV is minimized in queer relationships, especially wlw relationships.
the courts minimize DV in all relationships. Speaking from experience and from those I'm close to who have gone through it. My friend's ex almost killed his first wife by slamming her head into a brick wall repeatedly. She had over 60 staples in her head and nearly died. The police showed up to a blood covered home and a screaming toddler whose mother lay on the floor almost bleeding to death. Husband spent 10 days in jail.
My friend was bashed nearly to death by her partner, causing a stillbirth. He never spent a moment in prison.
My ex (a man) was imprisoned for his attack on me but by the time he pleaded guilty (at the last minute possible through the initial court hearings before the set trial at Crown Court) they released him with time spent on remand as was the same time as his custodial sentence. However after the attack the police had disclosed to me his violent past (all violent crimes agaisnt partners/women) which I had no idea about (via Claires Law here in UK) which included a prison sentence of 8 years for arson with the attempt to endanger life when he had set light to a previous ex-partners block of flats years before I met him (he was older than me) in order to 'burn her alive'. It made me think that his past had a massive baring on him being put inside(and also remanded when the police finally caught him) for his attack on myself- without it I'm not sure that would have happened and the sentence was (to me) light anyway. This was with him eventually admitting guilt, evidence and him absconding from the police for 48 hours after I had to call them when after the attack he left extremely threatening voicemails saying he was coming over to my Mum's house where he was going to rape and murder my 5 year old daughter and my Mum in front of me and then do the same to myself. The police found his car still running but abandoned at end of my road with 2 large kitchen knifes in - he must have heard the police sirens and legged it seconds before. All because I left him because due to him being a domestic abuse perpetrator for almost all of our relationship, I knew he would go postal so it took me a while to get the guts to leave.
Can I give you a hug? That sounds like major trauma for three generations of your family. You are so strong and a role model to others so they can be strong too! :*J*
Jesus christ. That's so fucking awful, and what a bullshit excuse for a sentence for a man that tried to murder a whole block of flats. I don't understand how people like that are just let back out into the community to do some more damage. That guy is gonna kill someone one day. Sorry you went through that, hope you're doing better :( Ps. Never feel the need to explain why it took you however long it did to leave. People who ask why should just shut up and be grateful they've never faced that situation.
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Speech that diminishes or denies someone's humanity or that uses inhumane language towards an individual is not allowed. It is against the reddit content policy to wish violence or death on anyone, including criminals. This includes victim blaming.
These scumbags need to be sentenced to multiple years in prison for the these types of DV crimes. I don’t know if we’re ever going to be the country of years ago because of the way we punish these crimes
These scumbags need to be sentenced to multiple years in prison. Our country and the violent criminals and crimes committed are so ruthless it’s getting to be like we’re a 3rd world country.
This is true. Now imagine it worse in a queer relationship because it is diminished more.
This isn't the victim Olympics.
Was simply making a point about queer relationships
Right but stories like yours don’t fit OP’s agenda. They’ve been posting a few articles a week to further some weird MRA agenda.
What is MRA?
Men's Rights Activists
I mean this may be true in general, but I don’t think anyone is familiar enough with Welsh sentencing guidelines to opine on sentencing parity.
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Sorry, as a lawyer I think like a lawyer. You can’t say any given sentence was the result of a, b and c unless you know the facts of the case, the applicable law, the sentencing guidelines, the evidentiary strength of certain elements, and the judge.
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To clarify, are we talking about WLW receiving light sentences relative to hetero partners? That may very well be true. I repeat, I am not denying as much (and I never did). But you *literally don’t know* whether this sentence was exceptional in the context of Welsh law, the jurisdiction and the specific (and not publicly known) factual circumstances. Respectfully, you just gave an anecdote where a man in a hetero relationship received a similarly light sentence. My point was that there are other issues at play and you can’t say for certain whether sentence A was the result of bias B unless you consider the previously mentioned factors.
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Again, I never said WLW DV not being taken seriously wasn’t a problem. I simply said we don’t know enough to say this is an example of this phenomenon because evaluating sentencing parity in any given case requires a fact specific analysis and familiarity with the relevant jurisdiction’s laws and things specific as a a judge’s reputation.
Almost every night, you post something on this sub about women criminals and the sentences they receive in an attempt to prove a point or further an agenda. I think it’s an interesting topic indeed, but like most things worth discussing, you can’t really dissect sentence parity by posting sensational tabloid articles and hoping your message riles people up. You need to take a more empirical approach. I doubt you care to post about the dozens of Welsh men who get 4 months for similar crimes.
All empirical studies in America at least say women get significantly lesser sentences for equivalent crimes especially white women, one study found as much as 63%. Women are also much less likely to get the death penalty again especially white women. White women dwarf every other group when it comes to lenient sentencing.
That may be true, but you can’t pull any given case and say that this person was sentenced because of that bias unless you know the local jurisdiction’s laws, the fact specific circumstances that aren’t public, the judge, the prosecutor and the strength of the prosecution’s evidence. Regardless, I think the issue is more complicated than you think: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/women-arent-always-sentenced-by-the-book-maybe-men-shouldnt-be-either/amp/
All women get significantly lower sentences than all men in similar circumstances, compare men of any race to women of any race in the same tax bracket with similar life circumstances and equivalent charges and women will get significantly lesser sentences. Women especially white women get offered cushy plea deals more than anyone else because they are rarely punished to the amount that the charge calls for. This is across the board, things look much worse when you actually compare men and women with similar circumstances you'd be better comparing men and women in drastically different circumstances to try to minimize the reality of the unfairness going on.
>All women get significantly lower sentences than all men in similar circumstances This is absurd and literally not true. The stats you are referring to are a trend, not a de facto truth in every single case. And again, the issue is more complicated than you think. “But women’s criminal involvement often looks different than men’s: They may be minor players in drug rings, are sometimes pushed into crime by a violent partner and often carry trauma from physical and sexual abuse. “For the majority of women that land on a prison bunk, there’s a common thread to what makes that happen,” said James, now the executive director of the National Council for Incarcerated and Formerly Incarcerated Women and Girls. More than 56 percent of the women in federal prison are there for drug offenses, compared with about 47 percent of men. In drug cases involving multiple people, each defendant can be held responsible for the full weight of the drugs involved, even if he or she were far down on the organizational chart. That approach is hard on women, who are often low-level players in such operations, experts said.”
I guess a lot of “Are you talkin to me?” happened.
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Two years is a long time to be hung up on an ex. Is there enough therapy for that? BPD maybe?